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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:13:00 -
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"In free countries, every man is entitled to express his opinions and every other man is entitled not to listen. - G. Norman"
In late November 2007 I was having one of my pretty bog standard chats with Sel, when out of the blue he asked "Ever thought about owning 0.0 space?"
Over the coming few weeks a plan that had been hatching within MC leadership was laid out for me to peruse and gander at, the plan was a simple one.
BoB were crumbling, their leadership afk, their membership bored and unmotivated, and it looked at this time as though there was simply no hope for them. MC wanted out of the relationship, and they wanted their home space secure from those that will Attack BoB and of course from BoB themselves. The great Irony in this story is a simple one, the betrayal of BoB by MC was effected because BoB had lost their way, the betrayal of Bob by MC gave BoB direction again...
So on 15th December 2007, Tortuga was born, and Period Basis became the new home of KIA Alliance.
Tortuga was made up of 4 Entities.
MC - Renowned Mercenary Corp, with a Capital Fleet surpassing most in the game. A good solid Alliance with an awesome Industrial backend. (This also included Daisho, a small dedicated group of people, who would turn out to be one of the backbones of Tortuga)
KIA - Empire based Mercenary Corp. Small Capital Fleet, experienced gang warfare pilots.
Outbreak - Capital Killers, made a good name in several high profile contracts.
Evoke - Ex D2, large Cap Fleet, a big weight.
The land in Period Basis was divvied up, and the plan to take it by force was set in motion.
From the outset, KIA (which means me I guess) never felt that BoB would try and defend Period Basis. Tortuga was formed with an ideal, that these 4 Entities would remain Blue to ONLY themselves, and the rest of Eve would be reset Neutral. Neutrals on your border, with no interest in attacking your Home constellation, and no intent on helping those that want to, seemed to make sense... in my cold dark heart though, I underestimated the power of feelings.
KIA took control of its space quickly and effectively, a BoB Pet DL was currently living there, and they were quickly assimilated into KIA. We understood the risks from spies, we understood the risks that this entailed, but an inner Alliance management group for these guys was setup, and we pushed forward with the plan.
By end of week 1 KIA had all of their systems Towered and collecting Sov.
As Christmas approached, everything looked great. Our first outings as a combined fleet saw up to 140 Capitals on the field, 75 dreads. 250 man fleet in total. Period Basis fell fast and hard, BoB didn't answer...
Then TPAR.
An early mistake was made, and we delayed in pushing on TPAR. When we eventually did, BoB reacted.The vilification of MC was writhe, BoB were using the betrayal, the outrageous backstabbing of the people they had worked hand in hand with for many years, to motivate. Inactive players returned, numbers swelled, pets came on board... BoB breathed life again, and Molle sat astride this heaving ferocious monster hell bent on revenge, and he saw a chance, a chance to save everything that he had worked to achieve.
As the Towers came out of re enforced, in the last BoB owned area of Period Basis, BoB moved in.
You will notice in my recap of Tortuga, that I have an admiration for BoB, one forged over the last 2 months or so, and one they have indeed earned the hard way. That admiration was conceived in those weeks over Christmas. BoB threw capitals into the fray, and Tortuga made their second large and questionable decision.
We decided to NOT commit our capitals, and let BoB keep TPAR. We knew a Coalition push On Delve was coming, and we knew that TPAR would be ours no problem, no need to lose capitals!... right?.
The first attempt at TPAR was unsuccessful. |
KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 02/05/2008 11:16:05 The first attempt at TPAR was unsuccessful. Outbreak and Evoke numbers in the fleets had dropped, Christmas was coming and their membership was busy with this, no long term problems.. just wait till holidays over.
A new attempt on the 27th December was planned, we needed numbers and commitment, if we could put 60 Dreads on the field, and 150 BS, nothing could stop us taking TPAR and signing off on this stage of proceedings.. The *****s started to appear.
We were 3 weeks in, and MC KIA and Daisho were putting the numbers into the fleets, outbreak and especially Evoke simply were not. At the time there was a lot of anger and resentment from the membership of KIA towards Evoke and OB, looking back now this was mostly due to a lack of understanding.
So into January we went, still TPAR was held by BoB, and the *****s widened further.
Some of the FC's stepping up, were inexperienced, and in all honesty poor. This caused quite a kerfluffle in the KIA camp, as ships were lost, tension mounted. KIA came under flack for ill fitted Fleet ships, and all in all tensions mounted between the parties.
Add to this the continued lack of pilots from Evoke and Outbreak in the Tortugan fleets, and things didnĘt look so great. Then things changed for KIA. After 5 weeks of attrition, 5 weeks of war, 5 weeks of losing ships with no respite, I gave my pilots a 4 day carebear break.... and for the first time they began to understand why we were doing this.
"It is easy to embellish the pillars and insert beams in a home but hard to get the huai tree to grow. - Yuan Yeh"
Home. A daring concept for a group of people like us. For many years the like so BoB and MC had enjoyed the fruits of a stable home in 0.0. The riches, and the sense of ownership.
That first 4 day break turned the tide of negativity within KIA, home began to feel like home. ISK was readily available, and the pilots of KIA went about replacing losses. Joy had entered the hearts, the carebear in all of us began to feel the nourishment.
So January flew by, as Tortuga waited for the Coalition to push on Delve, we carebeared and ran around in gank squads. 100's of ships died, 10's of 1000's of NPC followed suit, and all was well. Our pos infrastructure grew, Necro from KIA working solid for 10+ hours a day on building the beams that would hold the KIA roof on. Moon goo suddenly seemed important, and a realisation of the riches that 0.0 entities had at their disposal became apparent. KIA was happy, it had found its home.
And into February, TPAR fell, and the coalition pushed hard on BoB. BoBs' vilification of MC had taken them so far, could they push on and turn it all round.. KIA hoped not, if BoB lived Tortuga faced trouble.
"Life is fortified by many friendships - Sydney Smith"
The ejection of Outbreak and Evoke from Tortuga is a tale laced in some ill feeling, so I will do my best to post the facts ONLY as I see them.
Outbreak and Evokes numbers from Christmas onwards were low, they didn't put the effort in that the rest of us did. They made no excuses for this, and the honesty was refreshing. Their corps were on the edge of crumbling, POS wars and the attrition that accompanies them, were killing their membership base, they HAD top stop helping in them, or they faced a bitter reality that they wouldn't have corps any longer.
The napping of Goons in an attempt to ensure BoBs demise and thus Tortugas life, also did not sit well with them. And arguments began between the leadership about the direction Tortuga should follow, many felt OB had lost thier right to demand policy, and thus talks began.
Questions were asked, if Period Basis is hit, would Outbreak and Evoke really be there to help? Would they really commit to a month of hard fought pos war.. the answer was a simple one, No.
At the time of the approach to Evoke and OB ... |
Shirokko Papshimar
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:14:00 -
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yarr! |
KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: KIAEddZ on 02/05/2008 11:16:52 At the time of the approach to Evoke and OB and the request for them to leave Period Basis, my own personal feeling on this was that, they had gained a lot of ISK from holding the Moons in their constellation, and as such I didnĘt feel at all bad about replacing them with someone new..
I know some of the OB/Evoke guys hold some ill sentiment towards Tortuga, maybe even KIA in particular, but this feeling isn't reciprocated. We wished you well at the time of the "split", and we still do now.
Odyssey, made up of the "better" corps from IAC joined Tortuga in late February, they were given the Daisho systems of TPAR and its constellation, and Daisho who had grown and thrived were given old Evoke space. A reward for a team that had consistently given high numbers, and total commitment to the cause.
"Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake. - Chessmaster Savielly Grigorievitch Tartakower"
And so that sees us through to the here n now.
MC space is under siege, and MC themselves are suffering in house. KIA and all other Tortugan parties have withdrawn the bulk of their asset to empire, all that is left are ships to fight in.
The culmination is dissapointing, with Tortugan forces ambushed hard n fast by BoB, no time to gather forces and create a fight back, MC unable to overcome internal fighting to lead the charge, and KIA/Daisho last to see the fall and thus rushing to get assets out n safe.
We are beaten, we know it now, as we have done for a while, but we also know that the fight didnt start just a few weeks ago, we have fought this fight since Dec 15th 2007, and it was a long hard fight where the chance of victory was always slim, but we fought it none the less.
We are dying on our feet, no quarter asked for, no quarter given. We wouldn't want it any other way.
"Complacency is the root of mediocrity yet there should be no room for complacency or mediocrity if one reads and lives passionately. - Lucie MacDougall"
What went wrong....
The basis of what went wrong is very simple. BoB.
BoB used the epic betrayal, and the leadership made it something it wasn't. They needed it, they needed the spark, and through clever management of people and PR, BoB now are stronger than they ever were.
Gratz to them, I mentioned a quiet admiration for them, and it is mainly because they achieved what no one gave them hope of doing, they stood on the threshold of death, and brought it all the way back.
All the credit cannot go to only them of course, their enemies through inner fighting let them slip through the net when it should of been closed, the coalition wasn't very "co-", much more ego, and MC let it all get on top of them.
As Period Basis Falls to BoBs awesome force, 400+ pilots 200+ Capitals, its with a sad heart that I look at the Tortugan Ideal, KIA just wanted to be free of obligation, and have a home in lucrative space, surrounded by like minded people.
Who says of course, that the future doesnĘt hold this for us still.
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KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:17:00 -
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In summary I would like to say that I see Tortuga as a great success for KIA.
In the 6 months that we lived and breathed this project, we have achieved much.
We have been on the killmails (please note I am fully aware some of those kills were Tortugan Efforts hence my phrasing) for over 290 billion isk of ships. We have lost in return 37 billion isk in Ships.
The corps that have remained in KIA have seen a decent growth, with KIA Corp itself swelling by about 20% over this period. We can put a fleet of 40-60 pilots on the field every night, and we have scope for adding another corp to our ranks in the future.
Pilots have made 100's of billions in personal isk, and for the first time affluence is fairly writhe in KIA.
The Alliance takes away over 60 Billion in Asset- Towers, Fittings, Minerals and Fuel Stocks, all bought n paid for by the Moons here.
We maintained a happy Alliance, KIA's morale has been generally high for the past 6 months, and we have successfully run a 0.0 Entity under fair pressure.
We have a Titan, built and in action as a direct result of the Tortugan Project.
And we have learnt many lessons, some the hard way, some the easy way. Contract offers for KIA are plentiful, and the blank canvas we look at now seems to have more options than ever before. The future feels bright and I have learnt a lot about my membership, individuals and as a whole, over these past 6 months and that learning will put us in good stead for our next adventures.
My thanks to Seleene of MC, Darth of Daisho. You guys have made this what it is, and my deepest thanks to MC, Daisho, Evoke, Outbreak and Odyssey for enjoying the adventure with us.
It wouldn't be right to leave this without a genuine thanks to BoB. You guys are still the benchmark. I tip my hat to that. Well played.
But most of all, thank you to the pilots of KIA, you are what this is all about, and I doff my cap on a bended knee to your guile. Love you guys.
It always has and always will be, simply and rightfully, just about the Pew Pew :) |
Sean Dillon
Caldari Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:21:00 -
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You win some, you lose some. Aslong it stays fun. Nice write up. |
Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:21:00 -
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well done Eddz, sorry it might not have worked out quite as you expected, or perhaps it did. |
thebold
MASS
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Pilots have made 100's of billions in personal isk, and for the first time affluence is fairly writhe in KIA.
The Alliance takes away over 60 Billion in Asset- Towers, Fittings, Minerals and Fuel Stocks, all bought n paid for by the Moons here.
Carebear |
Natsumi Hikaru
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:22:00 -
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wow the ( in my opinion ) first unbiased writeup of the Tortuga Incident ^^
Thanks EddZ |
Schneiderr
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:22:00 -
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reserved |
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:23:00 -
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There are a few inaccuracies / "creative" paragraphs in that write-up, Eddz, but that doesn't sully the fact it's overall a pretty honest assessment and pretty well written.
Who wrote it for you? :p |
Danari
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Shirokko Papshimar yarr!
disrespectful f.agpost of fail
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Turkantho
Asgard Schiffswerften Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Schneiderr reserved
this |
Endeva
Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:27:00 -
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if you edit your post and write a little more nice words about bob i am sure you will be able to get pet status and get some stations:P |
Banlish
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:28:00 -
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Read it as it was being poasted.
Finally some of the murky parts were explained, so thanks for that. The ideal wasn't a bad one, and I hope one day to see a 'merc' region or group of constellations somewhere in the game for such groups.
Hope all entities recover from this and we don't see too much smack in this thread. |
flakeys
Manu Armata
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:30:00 -
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Nice write up |
Rheinkraft
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:32:00 -
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Nice read. well done to you guys and especially bob
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Crax McGee
Quam Singulari Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:32:00 -
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Really good Write up eddz- ill need 2 speak 2 u in game at somepoint :) |
Kay Han
Caldari Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: "KIAEddz"
stuff
Did you guys finally learn how to fitt a fleet bs properly?
Oh and in case you didnt know it yet... Titans cant enter jita.
Now go and die like MC
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Wladomir Jed
Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:35:00 -
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Nice writeup Eddz, hope you and the rest of the Tortuga guys keep having fun! |
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Sarovin
Faint Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:38:00 -
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nice write up, good to get all the details instead of third party speculation |
Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:38:00 -
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You talked about "home". I think many people argued that Tortuga was a flawed concept because when you have something of your own worth fighting for, you stop becoming a mercenary and instead like all the other 0.0 entities out there
What do you say to that?
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Mr Mozzie
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ MC space is under siege, and MC themselves are suffering in house. KIA and all other Tortugan parties have withdrawn the bulk of their asset to empire, all that is left are ships to fight in.
Then stop suiciding those ships and fight. |
Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:41:00 -
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I Blame Mynas(TM) |
Wanna Kill
Caldari Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:47:00 -
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Keep going Kia, if you're still fighting like you did back in the days, you'll be better off with the smaller gangs. (embrace for trolling, respect for your write-up from this front!) |
Anton Marx
Caldari Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:48:00 -
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First page of such a nice write-up and already so much bitterness
Enjoyed reading the story, nice read for downtime |
gazthenailer
Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:48:00 -
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good post m8.
Nice to see people honor the fights we all are part off, instead of just smacktalk. Even when the result is not to your favor.
I know KIA this is not the end of KIA and it will be fun to see what you guys decide to do in the future.
/G
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Zetjur Jilnou
Rapid Deployment Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:49:00 -
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Just about the most honest, well written post there has been on COAD for a couple of years. |
Valkazm
Amarr Dark BroTHerS Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:53:00 -
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one thing though what about the KIA policy that only KIA corp gets all the loot from kills .. i know its a small matter but i mean not really boosting morale that all loot goes to once corp .. im not trying to be critical i was just shocked that it worked that way .. i have full respect for KIA .. |
Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Mozzie
Originally by: KIAEddZ MC space is under siege, and MC themselves are suffering in house. KIA and all other Tortugan parties have withdrawn the bulk of their asset to empire, all that is left are ships to fight in.
Then stop suiciding those ships and fight.
Yup pretty much this. |
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:57:00 -
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Nice writeup Eddz. |
Faekurias
Saerpolisen
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:57:00 -
[32]
Good stuff 8/10. |
KIAEddZ
Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Valkazm one thing though what about the KIA policy that only KIA corp gets all the loot from kills .. i know its a small matter but i mean not really boosting morale that all loot goes to once corp .. im not trying to be critical i was just shocked that it worked that way .. i have full respect for KIA ..
I am not sure why I should defend KIA on this, as the pilots within KIA know this is incorrect.
KIA Corp COLLECT all the loot, as it makes it easier to keep track of it all, get it all into same corp hangar etc etc, but at end of contracts etc, all loot is gathered in one place and one the KIA Alliance Corporations is charged with selling the loot and the money is split equally down between the Corps.
Trust within the Alliance is total, it has to be. |
BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:58:00 -
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Good read, write-up almost seems too nice for CAOD. Good Luck. If the north were ever a really good "Co" and worked well together, mainly with a few worthy FCs and a good plan the monkeys could have easily taken the bobbits especially with Tortuga AND Goons, I just don't see how BOB could have handled that. Pretty sure in fountainSmash and Bruce were blue to each other then and were being wasted by FCs throwing blobs into bob capital gatecamps. Just too many mistakes against bob and welp, Anyway what's the saying "almost only counts for horshoes and handgrenades" ?
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Dezzereth
Two Swords Guild
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:01:00 -
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Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/05/2008 12:01:42 Excellent write-up, Eddz. Thanks for sharing your pov and good luck with your future endeavours.
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Valkazm
Amarr Dark BroTHerS Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Valkazm one thing though what about the KIA policy that only KIA corp gets all the loot from kills .. i know its a small matter but i mean not really boosting morale that all loot goes to once corp .. im not trying to be critical i was just shocked that it worked that way .. i have full respect for KIA ..
I am not sure why I should defend KIA on this, as the pilots within KIA know this is incorrect.
KIA Corp COLLECT all the loot, as it makes it easier to keep track of it all, get it all into same corp hangar etc etc, but at end of contracts etc, all loot is gathered in one place and one the KIA Alliance Corporations is charged with selling the loot and the money is split equally down between the Corps.
Trust within the Alliance is total, it has to be.
ok thanks that for the explination that makes sence .. |
Mynas Atoch
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:08:00 -
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Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 02/05/2008 12:09:44 Good write up form you side, Eddz. Sorry it didn't work out. However, I have ANOTHER cunning plan .....
No .. wait ..come back!
Seriously though, good luck with your future endeavours.
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DeckardIRL
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA Dominatus Phasmatis
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:11:00 -
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Nice Read.
The project failed but it wasn't a failure for KIA.
I am sure BoB have no hard feelings
Deck
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VinkNut
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:18:00 -
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o7 |
ER0X
Amarr Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:24:00 -
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Good write up Eddz.
KIA are a great bunch of guys to have had the pleasure to work with as are all that I have played alongside these past 6 months in Tortuga. It's been a pleasure.
O7. |
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jernej
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:25:00 -
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Goodbye!
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DerHund Erste
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: gazthenailer good post m8.
Nice to see people honor the fights we all are part off, instead of just smacktalk. Even when the result is not to your favor.
I know KIA this is not the end of KIA and it will be fun to see what you guys decide to do in the future.
/G
It's forum threads like this that keep me reading in this forum. Just when I think there will never be another intelligent / enlightening post, I see an Op like this.
... 'tis better to have dared greatly ... |
Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:31:00 -
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That was a good read.
Thanks for writing it all up. |
Cadman Weyland
The Iced Tea And Scones
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 02/05/2008 12:34:53 Lovely write up.
I left MC due to rl and missed pretty much all of the Tortuga story and all of the recent goings on in PB. Your post has filled in many of the gaps for me.
Thank you Eddz, gl on KIAs future journeys.
ps wheres the Seleene blog :) |
Quebnaric Deile
Minmatar Clown Punchers. Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:34:00 -
[45]
Best post in CAOD in a long time. Good read, even for someone who was never involved and didn't know anything about it. |
Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong. |
Ask Unbeatable
Tenacious Danes
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:36:00 -
[47]
Good luck with whatever o/ No shame in being beaten by the best |
xeom
Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong.
Wonder if now is a good time to post about someone claiming th.. are no goons.
Everyone makes claims, not all are true.
Then again, BOB have been ridiculed enough for that one already.
So I guess you guys can enjoy this moment too |
V8i Theo
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:52:00 -
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I remain amused by those who thought they knew the mood of BOB and its allies through these last few months. Contrary to what you think,....our morale was always high, we were never down, and we were never out.
The End Game has shown this to be true. In real life and in game, treachery begets treachery. You reap what you sow eh?
All the best, Theo |
Hobblah
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:54:00 -
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Good write up and good luck.
Shame that BoB pilots feel then ned to smack such thread.
-Hobblah
P.S. I'm proud that I was there when Tortuga took the PB. POS warfare just is not for me though. |
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Scavok
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Scavok on 02/05/2008 13:00:33
Originally by: KIAEddZ
The basis of what went wrong is very simple. BoB.
BoB used the epic betrayal, and the leadership made it something it wasn't. They needed it, they needed the spark, and through clever management of people and PR, BoB now are stronger than they ever were.
Gratz to them, I mentioned a quiet admiration for them, and it is mainly because they achieved what no one gave them hope of doing, they stood on the threshold of death, and brought it all the way back.
All the credit cannot go to only them of course, their enemies through inner fighting let them slip through the net when it should of been closed, the coalition wasn't very "co-", much more ego, and MC let it all get on top of them.
BoB was strong before they left Catch to go to PB. They had an initial surge in numbers when they were convinced they were going to get an epic capital fight out of you, but then their numbers dwindled back down to nothing more than what GS and IAC were fighting in Catch. BoB really didn't get noticeably much stronger until during and after NOL.
There also really wasn't any coalition infighting. There were certainly some moments that were fun, but overall the fighting in Delve was just a lagfest that usually didn't go our way. It's hard to upset with other alliances for not showing up for that crap when they live on the other side of the universe with absolutely nothing of their own at stake. Pretty much all standings resets in the coalition were on good terms.
The only two entities that I think people were upset about were BRUCE and Tortuga. Both of them took their space without significant resistance (sans y-2, but even that I think was mostly done by northern guys) thanks to GS and Razor going straight to Delve after a month of 2-3x daily POS ops in Catch in Querious. They both had the most at stake being neighbors with BoB; everyone that was fighting in Delve had nothing immediately at stake and were keeping two large freeloading alliances alive. They both also had a HUGE amount of potential, but instead they just carebeared or even took "contracts" while things were getting ugly in Delve. Neither of these groups would be where they are now if they had put some serious effort into helping the coalition when they had the chance. |
Doctor Oda
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:00:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Hobblah Good write up and good luck.
Shame that BoB pilots feel then ned to smack such thread.
-Hobblah
P.S. I'm proud that I was there when Tortuga took the PB. POS warfare just is not for me though.
labels are just so unfair, I feel all sad now.
But, the fact your proud about helping take PB, does this have anything to do with the pathetic statment that details the hostile forces pulling out of the fight till BOB where pre-occupied in Delve so as not to risk loosing ships in real PVP wile taking space?
For the record, I aint smacked in this thread yet even though I have a rather open disslike for eddz. |
Dark Warrior
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:00:00 -
[53]
While it's nice of you to call MC what they are - traitors, one has to wonder if you freely shared this opinion during the first successful months of co-existance as well. Or are you doing that only because that "Renowned Mercenary Corp" ended up failure-cascading on such a massive scale?
Maybe that's a part of the reason why the first line of your essay contains a semi-apology for writing it in the first place.
Still, don't think many people in BoB will have any hard feelings towards your Alliance. Good luck I guess... |
JamZzZor
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 02/05/2008 13:00:33
Originally by: KIAEddZ
The basis of what went wrong is very simple. BoB.
BoB used the epic betrayal, and the leadership made it something it wasn't. They needed it, they needed the spark, and through clever management of people and PR, BoB now are stronger than they ever were.
Gratz to them, I mentioned a quiet admiration for them, and it is mainly because they achieved what no one gave them hope of doing, they stood on the threshold of death, and brought it all the way back.
All the credit cannot go to only them of course, their enemies through inner fighting let them slip through the net when it should of been closed, the coalition wasn't very "co-", much more ego, and MC let it all get on top of them.
BoB was strong before they left Catch to go to PB. They had an initial surge in numbers when they were convinced they were going to get an epic capital fight out of you, but then their numbers dwindled back down to nothing more than what GS and IAC were fighting in Catch. BoB really didn't get noticeably much stronger until during and after NOL.
There also really wasn't any coalition infighting. There were certainly some moments that were fun, but overall the fighting in Delve was just a lagfest that usually didn't go our way. It's hard to upset with other alliances for not showing up for that crap when they live on the other side of the universe with absolutely nothing of their own at stake. Pretty much all standings resets in the coalition were on good terms.
The only two entities that I think people were upset about were BRUCE and Tortuga. Both of them took their space without significant resistance (sans y-2, but even that I think was mostly done by northern guys) thanks to GS and Razor going straight to Delve after a month of 2-3x daily POS ops in Catch in Querious. They both had the most at stake being neighbors with BoB; everyone that was fighting in Delve had nothing immediately at stake and were keeping two large freeloading alliances alive. They both also had a HUGE amount of potential, but instead they just carebeared or even took "contracts" while things were getting ugly in Delve. Neither of these groups would be where they are now if they had put some serious effort into helping the coalition when they had the chance.
a doubble helping of bitterness please bar man, |
Scavok
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:05:00 -
[55]
I was bitter, but sitting back and watching them die horribly certainly helps with that quite a bit |
Little Zandra
Minmatar I Aequitas I
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:24:00 -
[56]
nice writeup and i wish you the best of luck in your future endevors |
Henky
Caldari Research And Development Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:34:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Scavok
but instead they just carebeared or even took "contracts" while things were getting ugly in Delve. Neither of these groups would be where they are now if they had put some serious effort into helping the coalition when they had the chance.
Funny that coming from a RA member who fcked off the moment they took BoB's Dyspo/Prom moons. Not to mention your alliance actualy split up because of it, Karma |
Gryffindor
Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:36:00 -
[58]
Actually a very good read, sitting here at work and had a very good and fun story to pass the day! Good write up and yeh i would say it was as unbiased as you could get, nice one and keep up the good work, have known KIA for some time and i think they are mostly a fantastic bunch of guys!
Looks liek you have had to ride a lot of rough but its always fun on the big pile of cash u got now, hehe.
Big love to Imperius Blackheart my one true love. |
sakana
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:39:00 -
[59]
I always preferred:
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - Orwell.
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Shinigami
Gallente Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:42:00 -
[60]
I would like to request the one line summary. |
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:45:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Shinigami I would like to request the one line summary.
Sh*t happens. |
Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.02 13:55:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Shinigami I would like to request the one line summary.
Sh*t happens.
No, Sh*t Happened. |
Zara Torbe
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:10:00 -
[63]
So ... Eddz' App. to BOB is in? or? |
AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:10:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Shinigami I would like to request the one line summary.
They're takeing their titan and going home. |
slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:13:00 -
[65]
Well wrtitten EDDZ,
While I don't agree with everything you wrote thats fine its your prospective! It was well written and seemed liek you really mean what you say.
Most of us were really looking for a knock down drag out fight, hence everyone and thier brother wanting a peice of MC and in on the action.
Gl in yoru future. |
Souine
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:17:00 -
[66]
Nice post, It wasn't BOB that Won that war it was the Huge Coalition and it's dog that fell apart and withdrew that lost it. |
PR0PAGANDA
Gallente Raging Emo
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:22:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Souine Nice post, It wasn't BOB that Won that war it was the Huge Coalition and it's dog that fell apart and withdrew that lost it.
yeah you are right, bob never won any of the battles |
thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:26:00 -
[68]
Originally by: slip66 Well wrtitten EDDZ,
While I don't agree with everything you wrote thats fine its your prospective! It was well written and seemed liek you really mean what you say.
pretty much this.. |
slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:32:00 -
[69]
Edited by: slip66 on 02/05/2008 14:32:56 double :( |
Metal Dude
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:35:00 -
[70]
Rent is past due and will be collected, one-way or another. If KIA thinks that this is over for their members, they are mistaken. DICE has very long memory when it comes to vengeance and revenge. Trust me, this is not over by a long shot.
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NOL Waiter
Dining in NOL Enterprises.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:42:00 -
[71]
Nice writeup. I especially loved the part where you don't mention that you and Tortuga pussied out (twice) during the coalition's offensive in Delve, and also the part where you forgot to talk about the attack on 49- at the orders of Band of Brothers (which was pranking Tortuga).
One other thing, 0utbreak and Ev0ke are excellent groups of players (possibly among the best in their fields) but whoever thought that they'd go through months of boring POS warfare is delusional- it's not like it is a mystery that they don't like it. Next time you want to pull a football team together, don't recruit basketball players. |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:49:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Metal Dude Rent is past due and will be collected, one-way or another. If KIA thinks that this is over for their members, they are mistaken. DICE has very long memory when it comes to vengeance and revenge. Trust me, this is not over by a long shot.
Nice emo-rant. It's almost like you really mean this. |
Ginea Moya
Caldari Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 14:57:00 -
[73]
A very nice read :) |
Ariko Gunaris
Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:10:00 -
[74]
Posting in a "Here's our story, please have sympathy, and oh god BoB plz spare us" thread.
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Le Mare
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:20:00 -
[75]
Originally by: Metal Dude Rent is past due and will be collected, one-way or another. If KIA thinks that this is over for their members, they are mistaken. DICE has very long memory when it comes to vengeance and revenge. Trust me, this is not over by a long shot.
Be afraid KIA, le cheese eating surrender monkeys have got their emo-rage on. |
Nebuchadnezzar I
Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:25:00 -
[76]
Nice writeup. Thank you for that. |
Natas Dog
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:29:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Metal Dude Rent is past due and will be collected, one-way or another. If KIA thinks that this is over for their members, they are mistaken. DICE has very long memory when it comes to vengeance and revenge. Trust me, this is not over by a long shot.
Would it be safe to say you'll be monitoring the progress of KIA alliance, and preventing them from ever building a significant presence in 0.0 ever again? |
Kalek Astroth
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:35:00 -
[78]
nice writeup, you should have put your weight on delve campaign, you didnt , you have farmed 100b isk and now got a titan , hope BoB will kick you out of PB cause you dont deserve to stay in 0.0 any longer imo |
Flashh Gorden
Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:41:00 -
[79]
MC kicked a man when he was down or atleast when they thought he was down. It was not a stranger but it was a friend or atleast a long term partner thats what got alot of peoples backs up. Its quite shocking really how little resolve for a fight they show now the man is back on his feet and looking for some payback. |
Karash Amerius
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:43:00 -
[80]
A warrior's true spirit is only measured in the moment of his defeat. Think about that KIA (and especially MC). |
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Aldrabeirus Cobrabanhus
Traders Honestus
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:43:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Aldrabeirus Cobrabanhus on 02/05/2008 15:44:04
Originally by: KIAEddZ Edited by: KIAEddZ on 02/05/2008 11:16:52 The culmination is dissapointing, with Tortugan forces ambushed hard n fast by BoB, no time to gather forces and create a fight back, ... We are dying on our feet ... BoB used the epic betrayal ...
So let me get this straight: you dont fight back because you had no time (oh no one could see this coming as if BoB would forgive MC backstabbers and not go after Tortuga), so you didnt have time, yet you say you are dying on your feet (how, if you say you're not fighting yourselves ?) and at the same time BoB's secret weapon was betrayal (hmmm maybe it should be possible to send something to counter that, I don't know, ships, maybe ?).
Why can't ppl just say "we made a bad move but we stand by it, it didn't work and now bob killed us" ? |
DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:48:00 -
[82]
Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 02/05/2008 15:50:41 That was a good writeup, and I commend you for not spewing vitriol as is the trend. But at the surface lies some very bad spin and it wouldn't be me of me to leave it alone.
You basically threw in a poor justification for BoB being able to win as a parting gift. What you heard about their leadership, activity and morale came from one side (Seleene), which had become disillusioned and somewhat egotistical in the belief that they could do better than BoB in territorial warfare.
Do you think they would have sold you on Tortuga if you were given some unbiased report of how it might go down? The second you guys announced this, even the biggest failures of political analysis could predict it coming.
In fact, all they had to do was make you believe what you probably heard on CAOD, a place where people try to make themselves believe in things as much as they try to convince the enemy.
Even though I haven't been BoB for some 8 months, I keep tabs of whats going on in all the various wars around EVE. It didn't look to me like numbers and fleet sizes dropped one single bit, but then again, I'm not the kind of person to hope they would with the core of my being.
Even with Molle off to Malaysia for a week, there was no leadership vacuum. That is probably the scariest trial-by-fire test of all. Molle is just so much better at handling epic ****storms than anyone else. Three new outposts went up, and how many Titans were built?
Do you really, seriously think, that MC and KIA are the reason BoB is where it is today? That without an easy PR victory like betrayal, the outcome would be any different? The number of times I've heard BoB is dead has to be in the double digits, and you were a fool for believing it just because space was changing hands.
Looking at Period Basis, you yourself wrote how much of an easy time you had with taking and securing PB, but ran into hard times with TPAR. The reason is simple, 'taking' everything but TPAR did not require taking a BoB station. That should've been your first and most obvious warning to prepare for the inevitable siege.
Even when they told you it was coming for months, you guys had no serious plan to deal with it.
In the end you're essentially stating they turned around from the brink of annihilation by galvanizing around their hatred of you. That sounds incredibly egotistical, and since you're fond of quotes, I think this one sums up my view of KIA vs BoB:
Quote: For you, the day [BoB] graced your [region] was the most important day of your life. But for [us]... it was Tuesday.
Their feelings about this dictated one thing only, and that is tactics. You were hit hard, fast and dirty because they knew half your Tortugan memberbase was still reeling over the various leadership decisions; leaders whose only credentials were from EverQuest.
You weren't given the hope or opportunity of counter-offensive, simply to break spirits and drive home the idea that mercenaries shouldn't play Space Empires in the vicinity of the big dogs.
This is an attempt to write history in a way that makes you look good and somewhat important in the grand scheme of things. So you can tell your members and other people you encounter that Tortuga, and its eventual demise, was a meaningful contribution to EVE when it became instrumental in BoB's comeback.
No matter how well you convince people now, you're still going to regret going down with a whimper. |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:50:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Karash Amerius blog post What I have witnessed from MC is nothing sort of disgusting.
More Bob emo ranting? Geez guys, this is a game fgs. |
Le Mare
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:56:00 -
[84]
The world keeps spinning, the BoB propoganda machine keeps churning. |
Elles D
Caldari Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 15:59:00 -
[85]
Good writeup. |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:00:00 -
[86]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist This is an attempt to write history in a way that makes you look good and somewhat important in the grand scheme of things. So you can tell your members and other people you encounter that Tortuga, and its eventual demise, was a meaningful contribution to EVE when it became instrumental in BoB's comeback.
DigitalCommunist, it really sounds like you're trying to get an early jump on revisionist history.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:04:00 -
[87]
That was clever, because I accused you of the same thing a few days ago. Kudos for your wit, its almost as witty as reusing one-line memes.
The difference is I didn't post 50 times in one thread, something I won't believe in a year, and behind a alt. |
Darth Sith
Genbuku. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:05:00 -
[88]
On behalf of Daisho, nice write up Eddz, made for a good read and caused more then one flashback :)
Thankyou for the kind words about Daisho, we are a small group, but we do our best to bring a clean, smack free fight as much as we are able.
Tortuga was a fun adventure. We came out of it ahead, but as you indicated, it was all hinged on a lot of things going a certain way and they didn't. Tortuga is not dead, the freindships and respect forged during it's battles will last a lifetime. KIA / Daisho will continue to fly together and they, along with ODD and MC will be the only perminent blues I maintain for the forseable future.
The second phase of the adventure is about to begin.. lets see where it leads us this time :)
And as was mentioned...we ask for no quarter and we give none
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Rod Blaine
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:08:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Rod Blaine on 02/05/2008 16:10:43
Originally by: Le Mare The world keeps spinning, the BoB propoganda machine keeps churning.
And BoB keeps winning, with our enemies burning.
Nice writeup Edzz, even if carefully worded to skew the way things went so as to not end up showing like a total failure (Tortuga), it sure beats some of the more vitriolic assesments by some of yours of the recent weeks.
How much a viewpoint can change within those few weeks eh ? From "we'll bloody their noses no matter when or how they come for us" to *rolls over and dies without so much as a whimper*.
Pity it didn't work out, but next time maybe fail a bit more gracefully please and contain the bitterness internally as well as externally eh ?
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:18:00 -
[90]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist That was clever, because I accused you of the same thing a few days ago. Kudos for your wit, its almost as witty as reusing one-line memes.
Witty is failing to see the bigger picture. Don't worry, I will explain this when the plan unfolds. For now I've been sworn absolute secrecy.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:20:00 -
[91]
That's so bad I don't even know how to be insulted. You are Aneu, aren't you? |
Frannkie
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:23:00 -
[92]
a very nice write up
But, there is one critical stage in the whole saga that deserves a mention - The IAC campaign and the issues surrounding C3n etc, this is i what i feel was the turning point and was inveitably the downfall of Torgua.
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Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:23:00 -
[93]
Who¦s Aneu?
With this much bitterness I would have hoped/wished/thought it could be either Mynas, or... hmm, Mynas... |
Rift Scorn
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:27:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Rift Scorn on 02/05/2008 16:27:44
Originally by: KIAEddZ BoB were crumbling, their leadership afk, their membership bored and unmotivated, and it looked at this time as though there was simply no hope for them. MC wanted out of the relationship, and they wanted their home space secure from those that will Attack BoB and of course from BoB themselves. The great Irony in this story is a simple one, the betrayal of BoB by MC was effected because BoB had lost their way, the betrayal of Bob by MC gave BoB direction again....
This in itself is massive presumption. You didn't know bob was crumbling, leadership AFK & membership bored and unmotivated; you presumed they were which couldn't be further from the truth. Either you got bad, or mis-information which you then took as gospel.
I've been i BoB for 3 years give or take, sometime most active, sometimes taking a hiatus; but the guy's that run the show i've known for 3 years, gone drinking with, debauched with and not once either in game or outside of TQ servers were anyone one of them having anything other than best time for a long time. You should know this EddZ, and KIA's track record against BoB has been bad, putting it mildly, from the first failed contract against us 2 1/2 years ago to this last 'for the lulz' dec a matter of weeks ago.
The presumptions you make about us in this post you shouldn't have written. They're exatley that, speculation at best - manipulative dis-information at worst and if you wrote them as a way to justify KIA's actions then it's more proof than ever that Tortuga as an entity was a reactionary force and NOT the pro-action entity that you sold yourself as, and that ended in fail. I myself am one of the old timers that came worming out the woodwork for this when i heard over the internets about Tortuga, as an ex-BNC director i know the exact details of the deal between MC/BoB which is probabley more than you do. It was a betrayal from MC specifically timed for the worst possible effect on us, and the most opportunistic for them and you. I'm glad it backfired as Tortuga worked on your assumptions you made in first post and therefore face planted.
Do i wish KIA good luck? No. It is a hard universe and no one loves you and i plan to do my bit to keep it that way, your alliance used the NAP-train bandwagon for personal gain (which i can respect) but now you must burn. You personally seem to have done rather well out the deal; now do you have the cahjoones to use it?
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:37:00 -
[95]
Interesting read, so when's Seleene writing one of these |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Rift Scorn This in itself is massive presumption. You didn't know bob was crumbling, leadership AFK & membership bored and unmotivated; you presumed they were which couldn't be further from the truth. Either you got bad, or mis-information which you then took as gospel.
Actually it's not. Bob members themselves claimed this Tortuga ordeal made them come back out of hibernation and got them fired up ready to go. Do you want quotes for that? So before that they were exactly in the state Eddz described. No spin, just fair comment. |
Yaay
Game-Over Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:41:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Rift Scorn Edited by: Rift Scorn on 02/05/2008 16:27:44
Originally by: KIAEddZ BoB were crumbling, their leadership afk, their membership bored and unmotivated, and it looked at this time as though there was simply no hope for them. MC wanted out of the relationship, and they wanted their home space secure from those that will Attack BoB and of course from BoB themselves. The great Irony in this story is a simple one, the betrayal of BoB by MC was effected because BoB had lost their way, the betrayal of Bob by MC gave BoB direction again....
I know for a fact I constantly told MC BoB leadership was alive and active, though unfocused b/c of Feyth. It was more doubt on MC's part than actual fact.
As for FCs, in hindsight, a lot of their inactive FCs were probably more a result of me than anything else, I had several Months during a job search after school where I could devote many hrs... that coincided with FAT. Dian rightly pointed out to me that our inactive FCs were more a result of people chilling on easy street who'd been there and done it b/c I was quite often there and willing. It took me a while to realize I made my own bed on that one.
BoB never suffered greatly from inactive members, they were just scattered 40 jumps apart. And 2 timezones conflicted with orders.
One thing I've never understood about MC during the grumbling phase was that they(some) wanted/expected BoB to pay for their titan loss.... WTF.
BoB didn't lose their way, they just suffered from a problem NOBODY except them has ever faced: how do you defend 7 regions you're responsible for especially with so much pressure. 80 jumps, 7-10 capital jumps from one side to the other. |
Asestorian
Domination. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:42:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Rift Scorn This in itself is massive presumption. You didn't know bob was crumbling, leadership AFK & membership bored and unmotivated; you presumed they were which couldn't be further from the truth. Either you got bad, or mis-information which you then took as gospel.
Actually it's not. Bob members themselves claimed this Tortuga ordeal made them come back out of hibernation and got them fired up ready to go. Do you want quotes for that? So before that they were exactly in the state Eddz described. No spin, just fair comment.
I think you're missing the point. Rift said himself that he came back because of Tortuga. What he was denying was that the active members at the time had lost their motivation and leadership, which is what EddZ claims happened. |
Yaay
Game-Over Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:42:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Rift Scorn This in itself is massive presumption. You didn't know bob was crumbling, leadership AFK & membership bored and unmotivated; you presumed they were which couldn't be further from the truth. Either you got bad, or mis-information which you then took as gospel.
Actually it's not. Bob members themselves claimed this Tortuga ordeal made them come back out of hibernation and got them fired up ready to go. Do you want quotes for that? So before that they were exactly in the state Eddz described. No spin, just fair comment.
That was more about old members who left probably 6 months or more before, not 2 months like it appears there. |
Nina Velori
INIQUIT REPRISAL
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:43:00 -
[100]
Watch out lads, Tortuga are giving no quarter. |
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:54:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Asestorian I think you're missing the point. Rift said himself that he came back because of Tortuga. What he was denying was that the active members at the time had lost their motivation and leadership, which is what EddZ claims happened.
You forget at that time PL were in Delve causing mayhem. Coalition being able to take over several systems. And someone quitting after an emo rage. Again, it still adds up. |
Siddy
Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:56:00 -
[102]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist That's so bad I don't even know how to be insulted. You are Aneu, aren't you?
You just got served right there, digi!
your e-ego just got massive hit i bet!
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.05.02 16:59:00 -
[103]
That's deep Siddy |
Havoc G
Quam Singulari Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:02:00 -
[104]
nice read eddz..
Much love from the x celts guys |
Siddy
Minmatar Art of War Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:03:00 -
[105]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist That's deep Siddy
You know, like realy poor fiddler, all rags and stuff. Playing realy realy realy sad song that cuts so deep into your heart.
A wiev so sad, no man with human heart, can pass it by an not feel pitty for this poor soul. Someone, who once was a grate maestro, but now plays in the corner of the street just to feed his 12 children. |
VileLust
Minmatar The humble Crew Odyssey.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:08:00 -
[106]
On behalf of ODD.. we wish KIA and all the others the best, in their future adventures. |
Yaay
Game-Over Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:13:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Yaay on 02/05/2008 17:14:52
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Asestorian I think you're missing the point. Rift said himself that he came back because of Tortuga. What he was denying was that the active members at the time had lost their motivation and leadership, which is what EddZ claims happened.
You forget at that time PL were in Delve causing mayhem. Coalition being able to take over several systems. And someone quitting after an emo rage. Again, it still adds up.
Someone quitting after an emo rage had more to do with that someone having his head up his own ass, and a beef with a few people. It has little to do with why he left, just the straw....
And I should know, it was me. And I learned greatly from it and improved b/c of it. Still a regret of mine. |
Emolayshun
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:17:00 -
[108]
You seem to have delicately avoided mentioning your last second withdrawl of the last big coalition attack in delve: a 4 station system pos attack in which Tortuga and their Euro TZ cap fleet were counted on as a cornerstone. By reneging on your agreement and backing out after towers had already been dropped by other alliances so you could go off on a contract, you not only sealed the fate of the last big attack on delve, but your own destruction. |
Murtala
Mushin Market
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:18:00 -
[109]
Nice and delicately written analysis and I appreciate what you are trying to say. I remember when you joined Tortuga, you said you had nothing to loose as KIA have never had 0.0 space before, so fair play.
The real fun of victory and agony of defeat is all played out in 0.0 and not empire and I am pleased for that you got to experience it. Good luck and happy to see you will remain part of past and future eve folk lure.
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kwim
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:20:00 -
[110]
amazing read eddz, great write up. Unfortunately thread ruined by DICE and BOB trolls but nothing changes there... gratz on the titan and hope to see more posts like this soon. |
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:36:00 -
[111]
Nice write up Eddz, unlike most people you are wise enough to state its only from your POV and i must respect that. You may be over-egging the pudding when you say the Tortuga incident saved BoB. I will say that the thought of being in PB when MC got what was coming to them certainly kept me logging into the meatgrinder/lagfest of QY6/NOL, and i think the same can be said for many of my corp/alliance mates. |
Moran Trayga
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:41:00 -
[112]
Originally by: kwim amazing read eddz, great write up. Unfortunately thread ruined by DICE and BOB trolls but nothing changes there... gratz on the titan and hope to see more posts like this soon.
Just because it was well written doesn't mean it was accurate. Just shows how easy it is to fool people. "Look he said some nice things about the enemy, therefore this must all be true!" |
Abriana Overlord
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:46:00 -
[113]
so to sum it up then, the Tortuga experiment is coming to an end? |
Karatis
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:55:00 -
[114]
Salute!
o7
Best regards to you KIA. |
General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.02 17:56:00 -
[115]
What's that on your nose, Eddz?
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Chap Man
Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:01:00 -
[116]
Can we expect a statement on Tortuga from MC as well? |
Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:01:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Abriana Overlord so to sum it up then, the Tortuga experiment is coming to an end?
Nothing wrong with that, is it?
That is what experiments are good for. Trying to do some stuff, having fun and if it works even better. If it doesn't work after putting some good efforts into it, abandon it and move on to other projects.
Why cling to it when it is obviously that it won't work? Only to please BoB so that they can have fun with some fights? Looks like fun times for BoB are over, no one wants to play with them any more That is much worse than having whole Eve against them! |
Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:06:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Moran Trayga
Originally by: kwim amazing read eddz, great write up. Unfortunately thread ruined by DICE and BOB trolls but nothing changes there... gratz on the titan and hope to see more posts like this soon.
Just because it was well written doesn't mean it was accurate. Just shows how easy it is to fool people. "Look he said some nice things about the enemy, therefore this must all be true!"
There has always been and always will be a spot for propaganda, and alts which spout it, and ofc there is a audience for it aswell.
/future prediction mode [ON]
In ¦09 KIAEddz (I hope), will be writing their "insert X years together" birthday post, and ramble about how things have changed since Tortuga. How they left PB as honorable mercenary group, and how they have evolved (sorry had to use the word) into a leaner/meaner killing machine. Talk about the contracts they may have had and stuff.
Its normal to try and give a good memory (As a Corp/Alliance leader) for those who have sacrificed their time/effort/isk for a cause that made KIA what it had/has become, and how they acquired their first titan etc, and also color the history with the color palette of very own choosing, as thats how you want your precious (Corp/Alliance) to be seen.
/future prediction mode [OFF]
But dont mix those memories with truth. Truth is always tad bit more complicated, as with truth there is more sides seen as just one. As we all know, history is written by the winners, in both good and bad. As if we look back in 09, there is going to be posts from BOB and alliances who were part of this whole ordeal aswell, and they will with certainty be a lot different, as we were looking at the sights of our very own guns, while Tortugans were looking into a barrel of the gun pointing at them, and vice versa.
There is a difference on perspective how things go. And because of that perspective, its just all fun and games, crap and giggles, name it how you want. It was fun while it lasted.
For some reason I do like KIAEddz post tho, even as it is a biased and onesided, it seems like he actually believes what he has written. For that, I tip my hat, and hope good future, and more pewpew to come.
But so that this doesnt end in a all in all good and happy note, I must say that its sad that KIA took the intel they were given, and in the light of thigs, accepted em, without chewing it fully through. As maybe, I say *maybe* the events in close future would have been different on the sake of MC/KIA.
I liked MC I really did. Such a waste tho, for mere bad leadership, and bitter/emo directors.
I think I have been all too emo now, and stop posting on this thread :)
Cu on the Battlefield as they say. |
Abriana Overlord
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:09:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Abriana Overlord so to sum it up then, the Tortuga experiment is coming to an end?
Nothing wrong with that, is it?
That is what experiments are good for. Trying to do some stuff, having fun and if it works even better. If it doesn't work after putting some good efforts into it, abandon it and move on to other projects.
Why cling to it when it is obviously that it won't work? Only to please BoB so that they can have fun with some fights? Looks like fun times for BoB are over, no one wants to play with them any more That is much worse than having whole Eve against them!
Apart from the obvious MC backstab...
However all I asked is was it coming to an end, nothing less, nothing more |
Kaleeb
Gods Unwanted
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:18:00 -
[120]
Interesting read Eddz, regardless of whether it was accurate or not it makes a nice break from the usual rubbish threads that populate this forum these days |
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Emolayshun
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:32:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Abriana Overlord
Apart from the obvious MC backstab...
However all I asked is was it coming to an end, nothing less, nothing more
Don't forget the MC backstab of the coalition as well. I'm not sure whats more surprising - that they backstabbed both GBC and the Coalition or that they are surprised that it has left them friendless and (soon to be) space less. |
Sidsolis
Wolf Pack Enterprises Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 18:49:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Kaleeb Interesting read Eddz, regardless of whether it was accurate or not it makes a nice break from the usual rubbish threads that populate this forum these days
agreed. Good luck to all those that breath life into Tortuga give them hell! |
Hardin
Amarr The Honored Society Onorata Alleanza
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Posted - 2008.05.02 19:31:00 -
[123]
Great read Eddz - a post after my own heart
As an 'outsider' to the great war it is always nice to see an indepth and relatively balanced perspective. |
Miss Kaalikiota
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.05.02 19:37:00 -
[124]
Oh how quickly an honorable and honest post becomes a place for other people to bash the op and flex their epeen at their enemy's demise. True COAD to the very end. |
Loomina
Gallente Contraband Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 19:42:00 -
[125]
A clear and intelligent write-up. How refreshing !! Thankyou Eddz and Good Luck Mate. Loomi waves at Daisho <3
*_* |
Ace Frehley
Minmatar Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:00:00 -
[126]
good read!
Why is it always, that every thread endz up to big smacking? |
bluecheast
Four Rings Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:22:00 -
[127]
Originally by: KIAEddZ KIA just wanted to be free of obligation, and have a home in lucrative space, surrounded by like minded people.
lol |
Kraknall
Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:31:00 -
[128]
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong.
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
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Gontard
Minmatar E-Truth
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:40:00 -
[129]
Edited by: Gontard on 02/05/2008 20:41:48
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong.
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
...
ha ha ha ha ha foundation .... ha ha ha ha ha
just shut up
edit : added content : you come in a bs, you get out in a titan |
Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:42:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Kraknall 1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
There's absolutely nothing ANYBODY could do about it given the numbers, Kraknall - the difference between us and the vast majority of eve is that we didn't break. No corps left, our numbers in fact ROSE, as did our activity the further against the wall we were pushed.
1 point to us.
Originally by: Kraknall 2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
Wrong, the coalition is trying to stop us, have you missed the fact the goons are living in Delve? No, we don't notice them either, but hey, they say they're there.
2 points to us.
Originally by: Kraknall 3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
We find no shame in falling back against overwhelming odds, though you seem to think we should - so by that logic if we are NOT pushed back, just by not losing, we win?
I love it.
Three points to us.
Originally by: Kraknall I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
We're eminently beatable by the bulk, WHEN THE BULK SHOW UP, you missed a rather important tidbit there Kraknall. The coalition didn't "let" us out, they failed to keep it together and that little gem of insight is by their OWN admission, but hey you being a nobody must see something they don't, right?
Originally by: Kraknall Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
It's a pretty nice garage, and I guess the dogs like their kennel. |
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari Druuge Crimson Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:43:00 -
[131]
Originally by: Kraknall You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
Didn't complete the job. Now the coalition, assumeing it ever was one, is left with a wounded tiger that is not in the best of moods. Just an observation.... |
Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 20:44:00 -
[132]
Nice post KIAEddz, no joke.
As is manditory in such cases, I'll say that you're not entirely accurate, but I'll accept you are accurate as you see things. Good enough.
But in spite of my own low level of activity these past few months, I have kept my ears opened.
BoB was NEVER, not at the start, nor at any part of this epic campaign, at a morale breaking point.
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SirMolle
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 21:08:00 -
[133]
Regardless of how I read it, this is the most suitable reply i find.
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.02 21:38:00 -
[134]
I always said BoB would come through one way or another - quite frankly I am not suprised. Good write up and lets hope the south does not go cold like the north. . . |
Doogin
Terminal Velocity Inc. Skunk-Works
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Posted - 2008.05.02 22:32:00 -
[135]
Originally by: SirMolle Regardless of how I read it, this is the most suitable reply i find.
love the video...
proud to be a skunk...
proud to be a pet...
tick tock MC... tick tock |
Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 22:32:00 -
[136]
Good read.
I enjoyed haivng Tortuga on our doorstep and there were a few good fights (provided that there were no titans brought out) so its sad to see you all move away.
Its very telling when you look at the kind of cap numbers people like smashkill can bring now (looking at the RA mothership loss earlier) that the MC's huge advantage (a large cap fleet) now no longer exists which is why they are no longer the force they were. |
slothe
Caldari Murky Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 22:44:00 -
[137]
Tortuga was a short term fix for a long term problem that was never going to go away realistically. MC was the only group with the willpower to do anything long term, but without the numbers and resources to do it themselves.
The other groups were corps / small alliances that were only interested in themselves in the short term, well illustrated by the admissions that you feel you profited in tortuga by the billions you made in the short period while you were there. Your simply trying, like politicians, to portray a failure as a victory, which frankly it wasnt. You came to take an area and hold it, but you failed, simple as. |
thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 22:52:00 -
[138]
Originally by: slothe Tortuga was a short term fix for a long term problem that was never going to go away realistically. MC was the only group with the willpower to do anything long term, but without the numbers and resources to do it themselves.
The other groups were corps / small alliances that were only interested in themselves in the short term, well illustrated by the admissions that you feel you profited in tortuga by the billions you made in the short period while you were there. Your simply trying, like politicians, to portray a failure as a victory, which frankly it wasnt. You came to take an area and hold it, but you failed, simple as.
tbh, i'm not sure where you get the idea MC have the will power to do anything long term.. recently they talked alot, but did very little..
I think you're mistaking the current MC for the MC of old.. |
Slayton Ford
STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.05.02 22:58:00 -
[139]
As someone who lived next door to the Tortugans, I thought it was great the relationship we had with them. There was never any sov threats (Paragon Soul is 5+ capital jumps from PB), but we were able to have fun pew pew with each other. Seeing a tortugan log when trapped was a rare occurance. Occasionally we had blue settings, but only when needed.
Now were going to have the bobbits coming around who just like to play loggoffski when they find out about dead end branches. |
Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:08:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Kraknall 1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
There's absolutely nothing ANYBODY could do about it given the numbers, Kraknall - the difference between us and the vast majority of eve is that we didn't break. No corps left, our numbers in fact ROSE, as did our activity the further against the wall we were pushed.
1 point to us.
Originally by: Kraknall 2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
Wrong, the coalition is trying to stop us, have you missed the fact the goons are living in Delve? No, we don't notice them either, but hey, they say they're there.
2 points to us.
Originally by: Kraknall 3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
We find no shame in falling back against overwhelming odds, though you seem to think we should - so by that logic if we are NOT pushed back, just by not losing, we win?
I love it.
Three points to us.
Originally by: Kraknall I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
We're eminently beatable by the bulk, WHEN THE BULK SHOW UP, you missed a rather important tidbit there Kraknall. The coalition didn't "let" us out, they failed to keep it together and that little gem of insight is by their OWN admission, but hey you being a nobody must see something they don't, right?
Originally by: Kraknall Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
It's a pretty nice garage, and I guess the dogs like their kennel.
I couldnt say it better. So I will just quote for the truth. |
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Dolt Incognito
Sabetsu Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:13:00 -
[141]
Originally by: Kraknall
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
This news just in: BoB isnĘt completely invincible! They are ū despite claims to the contrary ū human. There is not a single alliance in the game that can claim to be able to hold off an unlimited number of opponents. Realistically speaking, if enough people attack you, you will lose. Simple math. Right, so weĘve discovered that no one single entity can be invincible. If no one is invincible, which one is the most powerful? Gimme your best guess ū IĘll give you a cookie for the right answer.
Quote: 2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
Highlighted the relevant bit. Despite facing an enemy with an overwhelming numerical advantage, BoB not only survived, but thrived. Their numbers didnĘt drop; they went up. Aside from RA, how many surviving superpowers can claim to have faced something like this and not folded? Any big alliance (ASCN) can blob it up and declare themselves the bestest alliance ever. But how many self-proclaimed superpowers have lasted this long, against odds this great? An earlier quote in this thread sums it up: ōA warrior's true spirit is only measured in the moment of his defeat.ö Anyone can be a NAP-train riding (Coalition) superpower. But for some mysterious reason, these superpowers crumble the moment they meet a remotely challenging foe. BoB hasnĘt crumbled ū if anything, they are more powerful now than they were before.
Quote: 3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
Should the coalition reform, they will continue the trend of losing fleet battles despite massively larger fleets. They will continue to do this until participation and membership levels drop to an unacceptable level. Then, they give up. Again.
The real question is; considering the circumstances, could anyone have done better than BoB?
The Coalition claims BoB isnĘt any good at diplomacy. They say itĘs BoBĘs fault that the numbers arrayed against them were so vast ū if they had been a bit more humble, maybe they wouldnĘt have faced so many. And this is true. But in the end- did these numbers win them the war? You want to see ōgoodö diplomacy, look at the north. What is the fun in being blue to everyone around you? If youĘre a PVP alliance, you should try to like, PVP, right? BoB is living proof that with enough skill and a will of iron, diplomacy is optional.
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Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:16:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Slayton Ford As someone who lived next door to the Tortugans, I thought it was great the relationship we had with them. There was never any sov threats (Paragon Soul is 5+ capital jumps from PB), but we were able to have fun pew pew with each other. Seeing a tortugan log when trapped was a rare occurance. Occasionally we had blue settings, but only when needed.
Now were going to have the bobbits coming around who just like to play loggoffski when they find out about dead end branches.
I thought RA/Hydra/Goons were those who logged off... and STK the one who are the PRIME of ASCN with their superior tactics.
I quote:" But I can't help thinking that ignoring a BoB gang is "probably" the correct strategy."
So, to point the obvious: ASCN 2008, is the contingency plan already made and published?
Now is a good time to watch in mirror, and see the reflection. |
Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:17:00 -
[143]
T.b.h all the bob is crap at diplomacy and has no freinds stuff is a bit past it. GBC fleets are bigger now than they were at any other time, including when MC was flying with the GBC. |
Sidsolis
Wolf Pack Enterprises Caeruleum Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:24:00 -
[144]
Originally by: SirMolle Regardless of how I read it, this is the most suitable reply i find.
i'm openly going admit i'm stick my noise in where it doesn't belong, only because after seeing your video molle it reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IELcBwoh5KY |
Karbowiak
Anoint
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:31:00 -
[145]
Quote: 'Some of the FC's stepping up, were inexperienced, and in all honesty poor. This caused quite a kerfluffle in the KIA camp, as ships were lost, tension mounted. KIA came under flack for ill fitted Fleet ships, and all in all tensions mounted between the parties.'
The inexperienced FCs was KIA. The ill fitted fleet ships was KIA. The guys doing all the whining was KIA.
Im not saying it was KIA's fault Tortuga lost, but all i saw from KIA was **** **** **** and ****. ps. i dont like Eddz (not that its a secret ) |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.02 23:35:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Doddy T.b.h all the bob is crap at diplomacy and has no freinds stuff is a bit past it. GBC fleets are bigger now than they were at any other time, including when MC was flying with the GBC.
Recruiting a few MC doesn't exactly make you bigger. Or a few newbie wannabes. Who we all know will get screwed over anyway. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:02:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 00:04:38
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong.
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.
Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob, But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident aside, you were hated before that.)
I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.
Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs. |
Moran Trayga
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:06:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong.
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.
Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob. But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident asside, you were hated beofre that.)
I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.
Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs.
You know, like, their plan was to get zerged? Right? You know, all that bbq in '06 stuff... Or do you not pay attention in CAOD school? |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:11:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Moran Trayga
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong.
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.
Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob. But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident asside, you were hated beofre that.)
I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.
Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs.
You know, like, their plan was to get zerged? Right? You know, all that bbq in '06 stuff... Or do you not pay attention in CAOD school?
Something like that. I was on the frontlines against bob for damn near a year. Yes I heard the bbq joke. Yes I hated them. Yes I grew to respect them. I also am a bit dumbfounded that the same overwhelming arrogance (eg. serious business) that got them in trouble in the first place, is back - and quite out in the open. I urge them to learn from their mistakes, and chest beat a bit less. It's obvious they kicked tortuga in the nuts and they folded like a stack of cards. Rubbing their nose about it in public doesn't do them any favors.
Don't be goons bob :P I've heard they have nasty crotch rot. |
Moran Trayga
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:26:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Moran Trayga
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej Goodbye!
Oh dear... I can feel the burn...
:D
I wonder who was wrong.
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.
Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.
Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob. But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident asside, you were hated beofre that.)
I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.
Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs.
You know, like, their plan was to get zerged? Right? You know, all that bbq in '06 stuff... Or do you not pay attention in CAOD school?
Something like that. I was on the frontlines against bob for damn near a year. Yes I heard the bbq joke. Yes I hated them. Yes I grew to respect them. I also am a bit dumbfounded that the same overwhelming arrogance (eg. serious business) that got them in trouble in the first place, is back - and quite out in the open. I urge them to learn from their mistakes, and chest beat a bit less. It's obvious they kicked tortuga in the nuts and they folded like a stack of cards. Rubbing their nose about it in public doesn't do them any favors.
Don't be goons bob :P I've heard they have nasty crotch rot.
I think you're missing the point of their overt arrogance. It isn't to make friends. |
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:34:00 -
[151]
Oh? Then why are their a million threads complaining about the blob that took most of their conquered space and pets?
You, a bob alt, either ****ed off 90% of eve on purpose - then complained about being blobbed (lulz)....
Or this is rather weak spin.
I wouldn't walk down the same arrogant surious buziness role you did before. Good luck no matter what path(s) you choose. |
BillyBong2
Amarr COLD-Wing The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:34:00 -
[152]
Thanks for taking the time to write this up Eddz. Good luck to you and your alliance in all future endeavors. |
Mark Potter
Caldari Ravenclaw Manufacturing DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:39:00 -
[153]
hey nice write up Kia Eddz , decent read.
i personally dont give a rats ass about the past war or the current wars. see im a simple person , i have my miner alt (this guy) , and most recently purchased me a pvp alt (Kwitchy , you dirty ***** , i got 1 day old noobs from npc corps pming me cussing me for you killing their ships a long ass time ago. LMAO good game!) and the only reason i got a pvp alt is for the fun.
i guess what im trying to get at here is alot of you pointing at BoB's diplomatic ability , or lack there of. Maybe some of you dont realize that BoB is a pvp alliance , maybe they dont try to be diplomatic because they honestly and sincerely WANT you to come shoot at them. Because why? THEY ENJOY THE PVP. Why else would you sit there and basically beckon the entire bulk of pvp fighters (or wanna be fighters (like myself)) to come and shoot at you? Not because you honestly think you're better than them , but because building **** like carriers , dreads , moms , titans (holy **** , how many do you guys have now?) is pretty much pointless unless you're going to put the *****s to use right ? Why bother flying that battleship in .0 unless you're gonna send a volley of whatever your ammo choice is up someone elses exhaust pipes? yeah sure , ratting can be fun at times , but honestly , how can long can you seriously warp from belt to belt (or chain spawn one belt) looking for npc's to kill ? when its much funner and more unpredictable to shoot at someone that can do something totally unexpected? yeah sure this is my miner alt , but hey , someones gotta pay for all my ship replacements right? :(
oh btw , im not brown nosing BoB , i personally dont like BoB , just my thoughts , mainly because i think blob warfare is ***. id rather jump into a system with 9 other allies and take on 10-20 enemies. than jump into a system with 200 allies facing 200 (or more or less) enemies. lag is not warfare. any **** can jump into a system , attempt to turn on the guns and then lag out and not see **** for the next 2 hours , somehow magically make it out alive , and claim victory. no skills needed. (seriously , 900ksp alts can do this , look at some of the other "major" alliances around) real warfare is the small gang fleets , the roaming gangs that came to your home town , ****** up some of your npc'ers , and then waited on your ass to form that gang up and come get em , with out making you chase them and with out logging off or trying to hide like a ****. |
Kera Delacour
Evenstar Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:45:00 -
[154]
Very enjoyable read... while it's obviously only from 1 point of view it's nice to see one perspective on the war and how things went/are going.
Thanks! CAOD needs more posts like this. |
MentaFox
StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:53:00 -
[155]
wow, really nice writeup, thanks alot (:
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Kraknall
Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.03 01:12:00 -
[156]
Originally by: Gontard
ha ha ha ha ha foundation .... ha ha ha ha ha
just shut up
edit : added content : you come in a bs, you get out in a titan
Unlike most in this game, I don't really think what alliance I'm in has anything to do with my understanding of the goings-on in the universe. You think Foundation's funny? Risible? Good for you. Now, when you're actually able to counter anything I say with something other than a very lame joke about my alliance, maybe I'll have something to rebutt. |
Kraknall
Minmatar Eve's Brothers of Destiny FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.05.03 01:20:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Dianabolic Much stuff
I rate a response from one of (the?) most noteworthy BoB spindoctors. I'm really quite flattered. Not impressed by the response, but flattered in some perverse way anyway.
The blunt truth is, anyone can claim a "point" off of anything. "You gave me a good palm strike to the nose, but I bled all over your Armani suit. Point to me" is a good example. Yes, yes..."We bent but we didn't break." Kudos to you on that, really. My point- and you've done nothing to refute it but in fact confirmed it -is that Bob has gone from its previous perceived state of undisputed dominance in the game (BoB can't be defeated) to something more like "BoB can do whatever they like until they **** off enough people, and then they'll be forced back into a pocket yet again". You have free reign as long as the masses allow you to have free reign. Just like any other alliance in this game.
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.03 01:27:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Dianabolic Much stuff
I rate a response from one of (the?) most noteworthy BoB spindoctors. I'm really quite flattered. Not impressed by the response, but flattered in some perverse way anyway.
The blunt truth is, anyone can claim a "point" off of anything. "You gave me a good palm strike to the nose, but I bled all over your Armani suit. Point to me" is a good example. Yes, yes..."We bent but we didn't break." Kudos to you on that, really. My point- and you've done nothing to refute it but in fact confirmed it -is that Bob has gone from its previous perceived state of undisputed dominance in the game (BoB can't be defeated) to something more like "BoB can do whatever they like until they **** off enough people, and then they'll be forced back into a pocket yet again". You have free reign as long as the masses allow you to have free reign. Just like any other alliance in this game.
I think you just picked BoB's next target for them. Your alliance mates will thank you for sure.
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Vasili Z
Beasts of Burden R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.03 02:15:00 -
[159]
Quote: For you, the day [BoB] graced your [region] was the most important day of your life. But for [us]... it was Tuesday.
hahaha best quote |
NibiruX
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.05.03 02:42:00 -
[160]
there is only one man to blame : Mynas Atoch |
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Orb Lati
Minmatar ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 02:48:00 -
[161]
Originally by: NibiruX there is only one man to blame : Mynas Atoch
Come on that's a bit hard on the poor fellow. I'm sure there are other that are to blame for the Torgtuga Collapse. SirMolle for one. :P |
K'Bar
Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.05.03 03:12:00 -
[162]
I enjoyed your post. |
Svett
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 03:16:00 -
[163]
Brave brave sir Tortuga, bravely ran away. |
Adm Tecumseh
Caldari Destructive Influence
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Posted - 2008.05.03 03:17:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Dark Warrior While it's nice of you to call MC what they are - traitors, one has to wonder if you freely shared this opinion during the first successful months of co-existance as well. Or are you doing that only because that "Renowned Mercenary Corp" ended up failure-cascading on such a massive scale?
Maybe that's a part of the reason why the first line of your essay contains a semi-apology for writing it in the first place.
Still, don't think many people in BoB will have any hard feelings towards your Alliance. Good luck I guess...
Let me expand on this a bit,
MC are cowards. They saw the writing on the wall and thought it was better to make a deal with goonswarm and live in PB then to fight to the bitter end like RISE and RMF.
I understand these feelings. A few (very few) people in RMF advocated that we accept the offer made to us to keep K-9 and go red to BoB.
We choose death. MC choose dishonour
Now the hands that were dealt are being played out.
GL and I hope you like oblivion.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 03:56:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Angelonico Oh? Then why are their a million threads complaining about the blob that took most of their conquered space and pets?
You, a bob alt, either ****ed off 90% of eve on purpose - then complained about being blobbed (lulz)....
Or this is rather weak spin.
I wouldn't walk down the same arrogant surious buziness role you did before. Good luck no matter what path(s) you choose.
Given the choice between fighting on our doorstep against thousands, and losing, or having to roam hundreds of jumps for a gank, and winning, I choose the former. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 04:17:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Dianabolic Given the choice between fighting on our doorstep against thousands, and losing, or having to roam hundreds of jumps for a gank, and winning, I choose the former.
Good luck with that. I hope it works for you.
The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end. Just look at tortuga for instance.
Cheers.
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kanakuma
FAST IMPACT
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Posted - 2008.05.03 04:24:00 -
[167]
No Mc was clever enough to dont spend their time and assets for BOB .Why should they put their time and assets to save your azz? I would not ,their only fault is not actively joining war against BOB .And rise, lets dont start how you used them .
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/05/2008 03:47:42
MC are cowards. They saw the writing on the wall and thought it was better to make a deal with goonswarm and live in PB then to fight to the bitter end like RISE and RMF.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 04:25:00 -
[168]
Originally by: kanakuma No Mc was clever enough to dont spend their time and assets for BOB .Why should they put their time and assets to save your azz? I would not ,their only fault is not actively joining war against BOB .And rise, lets dont start how you used them .
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/05/2008 03:47:42
MC are cowards. They saw the writing on the wall and thought it was better to make a deal with goonswarm and live in PB then to fight to the bitter end like RISE and RMF.
Rise was of use, at any point in time, to anyone? Really?
I remember their "reaver" speech. Classic. |
Franga
NQX Innovations
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Posted - 2008.05.03 05:02:00 -
[169]
I don't post much in CAOD anymore but this post caused me to. Post to follow:
I don't think I've ever seen Eddz back down from saying that he and his corp lost. Always up front about it. In my opinion that takes a little guts. Good job. Always nice to read a well written report as well. |
MarthaStuart
aaaaaaaaaaah an alt
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Posted - 2008.05.03 06:06:00 -
[170]
Edited by: MarthaStuart on 03/05/2008 06:08:33
Originally by: Angelonico Oh? Then why are their a million threads complaining about the blob that took most of their conquered space and pets?
You, a bob alt, either ****ed off 90% of eve on purpose - then complained about being blobbed (lulz)....
Or this is rather weak spin.
I wouldn't walk down the same arrogant surious buziness role you did before. Good luck no matter what path(s) you choose.
Ive seen much much mor welp posts from RSF people (cyno, titan etc etc subjects). Also when bob members do mention the blob, usualy its because someone sitting the back seat in some nobody-alliance screaming 'WE OWND U EVIL BOBBITS!), or some goony :). Yes i know goons are PROUD AND HAPPY they have that many allies boasting they are much more diplomatic than BoB, yet they did to their own friends worse than what they accused BoB of doing.
In most fleet battles BoB constitues the majority of the GBC fleet (and BoB gave credit to all their allies specialy as of late). Point is they dont complain, simply point out that it takes THAT MANY people against to actualy do something and yet lol.
Face it, doesn matter how people spin it, for those RSF who say BOB LOST THE MOST AMOUNT OF REGIONS IN THE SORTEST PERIOD OF TIME etc etc etc, its clear BoB set the new meaning for strategic witdrawal. True you conquered space and stations, remember most of it was non-bob space(ie EX ASCN etc) conquered by BoB/GBC and was held by BoB/GBC for much longer than RSF did so far (till this day, who knows u might keep it for longer). Eddz good Write up, but dont spin the 'hatred to tortuga fueled bob', maybe it did (a little), but it doesnt and shouldnt take credit for their come back (hint Molle, member activity, high SP,logisitcs,organization, years of experience,ego etc..), it just gave them an extra mission in the overall campaign :) (killing MC/Totuga). Kudos BoB, always setting the standard (and all of eve knows it)
An alt... KILL IT! |
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 06:18:00 -
[171]
Originally by: MarthaStuart Ive seen much much mor welp posts from RSF people (cyno, titan etc etc subjects). Also when bob members do mention the blob, usualy its because someone sitting the back seat in some nobody-alliance screaming 'WE OWND U EVIL BOBBITS!), or some goony :). Yes i know goons are PROUD AND HAPPY they have that many allies boasting they are much more diplomatic than BoB, yet they did to their own friends worse than what they accused BoB of doing.
I wasn't suggesting or commenting on anything even remotely similar or related to any of that. Nor was I claiming RSF has any sort of morale high ground. Only warning bob that hubris generally costs you, in both eve and life. |
HostageTaker
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 06:19:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Dianabolic Given the choice between fighting on our doorstep against thousands, and losing, or having to roam hundreds of jumps for a gank, and winning, I choose the former.
Good luck with that. I hope it works for you.
The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end. Just look at tortuga for instance.
Cheers.
It has worked for years, you must be new, welcome to EvE Online...
-_-
Please convo "Siddy" to start the Advanced EvE Tutorial.
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 06:23:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 06:27:43 I'd love to have a chat concerning your usage of the word "worked."
I'll edit this and scale down the glib.
You've struggled as an alliance just as any other - and have had major victories and major defeats. I've seen some of them first hand. I would have figured your leadership to learn from your past mistakes such as the aforementioned "hubris" that caused you to lose a good chunk of your space. You know. Evolve?
If you still want to be arrogant go for it, but I'm surprised you haven't learned from the past. Dafuzz seems to be on the right path.
Irreverance ftw.
Cheers and good luck with the rest of the war. I'll have fun watching it play out. |
Aeon Yakati
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 08:09:00 -
[174]
Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 03/05/2008 08:20:42
It was blatant betrayal, despite us catching up on the deteriorating fibe between the two of us, and us not daring to ask the question earlier when Mynas was up and about spewing his vocal garbage around. In hindsight, we should have. Even if it meant we could potentially harm the relationship. So you can blame us for not being the best judge of man, but the blame for a consciously, calculated betrayal of their longtime friends in the eleventh hour falls in your lap. It can not be sweet talked or marginalized, regardless if Gaelsto posts 50 times in one thread.
Our numbers skyrocketed the moment we gave up the regions east of Querious. No more 40 jumps to fetch a new ship, front door insta-PVP 4tw. Sure, we had quite a few members come back because of the betrayal, but far be it to say the majority. To think that Tortuga's role in the GBC's new found zeal is of major consequence is ludicrous. You refused to give us a fight in T-Par then (took the system when we were occupied elsewhere) and you refuse to give us a fight now. If anything, you look like KOS now. You will go down in history as just another entity jumping ship when things look bad. Of which there were plenty.
Over-emphasizing your own role in the grand scheme of things and writing the GBC's success off as a direct result of your actions, does not re-write history into your favour. It makes you look silly and paints you off like you really did not know BoB too well at all. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 08:48:00 -
[175]
Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 08:51:50 I'm not blaming you for anything brosef. If anything I'm complimenting your total intimidation/decimation of tortuga in short order. Striking while MC was reeling from a PR nightmare, epic fail on all fronts, the dropping of corps, etc. Striking hard and fast was the perfect call... and so the mighty MC, once one of the most well respected cap forces int he game - and right fully so - , falls.
However, weren't these guys your friends until a short time ago? Didn't they just want neutral space (however *** "tortuga" sounded.) Would they really have blued RSF if you hadn't sieged them?
Sure what they did was idiotic. Everyone and their brother knows this is a collasal **** up of epic proportions... but is what they tried to do that horrible? Pull out of the war and go neutral?
Meh. Maybe it was all total crap and a front, but I seem to remember MC having little to no respect for goons/RA and not wanting to work with them.
Sure they screwed up, and the usual cast of eve muppets will dance on their corpses. I just expected a little better from BOB as they were their former friends. The north and RSF have obvious and blatant grievances... all MC did at least in word, was try to pull out. You forced them into the position of having to blue RSF ("sorry Nop") and everyone pretty much knew they were buggered one way or another at that point. I suppose neutraling you in the first place was a bit of overconfidence on their own, no? Oh how the hubris cycle flows.
Poor Mynas, he'll be eating crow for the rest of his internet spaceship lifezorz.
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thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 09:03:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Angelonico The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end.
No, it usually doesnt.. statements like that just show your lack of understanding tbh..
It is always ignorance that costs ppl.. arrogance and chest beating are only tools that can be used.. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.03 09:04:00 -
[177]
Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Angelonico The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end.
No, it usually doesnt.. statements like that just show your lack of understanding tbh..
It is always ignorance that costs ppl.. arrogance and chest beating are only tools that can be used..
You're right and I'm not privy to your boards or goons, much less MC's... and there is a lot of information I don't have access too. All I know I learned on the field so to speak.
However you will have to agree with me on the basic principle that, much like ignorance, arrogance is a weakness. |
Billy Merc
Amarr Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.03 09:13:00 -
[178]
omg wfux goin on, a post in caod worthy of a read :)
well done eddz...and its like they say if you can at least take one positive thing away from anything you do...it was worth it. |
Centuri
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 09:16:00 -
[179]
MC could have chosen this to be a good war. They could have thrown in numbers, but I do not remember one battle of note since tortuga took PB. THey stuck to the stations and only managed to take tpar when we JB'd/cynoed to the other fronts to defend there, which is the most disappointing thing. I'm sad to see an alliance like MC go downhill like this, we were hoping that you guys could give us some epic fights, but your leadership has let you down. |
Melchiorre
Omen Incorporated Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.03 09:45:00 -
[180]
Who is actually leadership of MC now? The leaked teamspeak recording indicated Myndpyre Ritchie was taking over from Dri, While Seleene was away?
Is it likely Seleene will return? |
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fuze
Gallente InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2008.05.03 10:09:00 -
[181]
Amusing to see the clueless Bob whaling down on Tortuga. All of this happened because Molle failed at diplomacy with MC to give them perspective when Bob was about to lose the war. It already has been mentioned on numerous occasions. Bob knew MC was growing away from them. Spies in MC and FIX reported details about this. They did nothing about it and just waited.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.05.03 10:37:00 -
[182]
Originally by: Kraknall Bob has gone from its previous perceived state of undisputed dominance in the game (BoB can't be defeated) to something more like "BoB can do whatever they like until they **** off enough people, and then they'll be forced back into a pocket yet again". You have free reign as long as the masses allow you to have free reign. Just like any other alliance in this game.
Sounds like fighting talk, where's the fight? |
Karnov
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 10:56:00 -
[183]
Nice read Eddz, your Titan gonna be used much in the empire wars now?
Originally by: Angelonico Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 09:02:52 Striking hard and fast was the perfect call... and so the mighty MC, once one of the most well respected cap forces in the game - and right fully so - falls.
What they had in 0.0 is falling, MC themselves are now free to go back to empire. Some of them seem to like the idea, probably the ones undocking in unfitted BS for insurance.
Originally by: Angelonico Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 09:02:52 Didn't they just want neutral space (however *** "tortuga" sounded.) Would they really have blued RSF if you hadn't sieged them?
Originally by: Angelonico Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 09:02:52 Pull out of the war and go neutral?
Our issue was with the invading our space and all that, wasn't very blue/nuetral as far as we were concerned. Turning around and shooting allies in the back can be frowned apon by some.
Originally by: Angelonico Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 09:02:52 All MC did was go emo and try to pull out.
Pulling out before finishing is bad karma.
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Nihil4nth
DRUCKWELLE Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:22:00 -
[184]
A wall of text really worth reading. Keep it up. |
padraig animal
Minmatar MisFunk Inc. Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:52:00 -
[185]
Nice writing o7 |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:25:00 -
[186]
Originally by: Karnov Pulling out before finishing is bad karma.
Also can save you a lot of nappies. |
Tarantelita
Ragna Rok Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:31:00 -
[187]
This is the first time i c one very intressting post from you Eddz. Keep up the good work.
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Tarantelita
Ragna Rok Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:33:00 -
[188]
And i want to add..
..what was it i told every one
Once again my "prophecia" came true.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:50:00 -
[189]
Originally by: Angelonico Oh? Then why are their a million threads complaining about the blob that took most of their conquered space and pets?
Where? Give some examples please.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:53:00 -
[190]
Originally by: Angelonico I was on the frontlines against bob for damn near a year.
Yes, and you lost. Badly. Stop whining and get on with the game. Perhaps lock yourself in your beadroom and listen to some Cure records?
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:59:00 -
[191]
Originally by: General Windypops Where? Give some examples please.
Are you serious? There are examples up the wazoo. Just look for the posts Bob mentioning 80% of Eve taking them on. Hard to miss, really. |
Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:02:00 -
[192]
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Angelonico I was on the frontlines against bob for damn near a year.
Yes, and you lost. Badly. Stop whining and get on with the game. Perhaps lock yourself in your beadroom and listen to some Cure records?
Dude... There is nothing wrong with Cure records... stfu already... im serious... Cure is sacred. |
General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:03:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: General Windypops Where? Give some examples please.
Are you serious? There are examples up the wazoo. Just look for the posts Bob mentioning 80% of Eve taking them on. Hard to miss, really.
Well tbh all I see at the moment are threads about the fact that BoB is about to utterly annihilate MC, that the Cryalition has been whooped by Insurgency, and some deseperate fakeposts by Goons to try to regain some attention.
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Alberta
Gallente Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:07:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: General Windypops Where? Give some examples please.
Are you serious? There are examples up the wazoo. Just look for the posts Bob mentioning 80% of Eve taking them on. Hard to miss, really.
These whining BoB posts are in the same thread as the screeshots of m0o losing all those battleships in Curse right? |
Melchiorre
Omen Incorporated Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:10:00 -
[195]
I know Windy pops main, do I win a cookie?
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Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:14:00 -
[196]
Originally by: General Windypops Well tbh all I see at the moment are threads about the fact that BoB is about to utterly annihilate MC, that the Cryalition has been whooped by Insurgency, and some deseperate fakeposts by Goons to try to regain some attention.
Why do you want to divert attention from the fact Bob did mention the 80% of 0.0 that was attacking them? We didn't ask you to give your shallow opinion about current topics. |
Kryztal
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:22:00 -
[197]
cant be arsed reading the meeellion and one posts between the OP and here.
Very nice write up Eddz :) |
Melchiorre
Omen Incorporated Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:22:00 -
[198]
Here's a tip Windy's main is not and has not ever been a member of a BoB Corp. |
MortyM
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 14:50:00 -
[199]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: General Windypops Well tbh all I see at the moment are threads about the fact that BoB is about to utterly annihilate MC, that the Cryalition has been whooped by Insurgency, and some deseperate fakeposts by Goons to try to regain some attention.
Why do you want to divert attention from the fact Bob did mention the 80% of 0.0 that was attacking them? We didn't ask you to give your shallow opinion about current topics.
How is mentioning that 80% of EvE was attacking us whining? Stating facts is whining now? The contect in which it was mentioned was mostly us laughing and making fun of the fact that the coalition acctually needed that many people to attack us, and then still failed. If thats whining, then I guess we're guilty as charged. |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 15:54:00 -
[200]
Originally by: MortyM How is mentioning that 80% of EvE was attacking us whining? Stating facts is whining now?
Capt Cocopuffs wanted to see these facts. And it didn't mention whining but complaining which you did as was stated before.
Quote: The contect in which it was mentioned was mostly us laughing and making fun of the fact that the coalition acctually needed that many people to attack us, and then still failed.
You said it was your plan to invite these guys over for a party. Why complain if they invited some of their friends? Its similar that you now outnumbering Tortuga 4:1 and seem to have a good time. |
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Moran Trayga
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.03 15:56:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: MortyM How is mentioning that 80% of EvE was attacking us whining? Stating facts is whining now?
Capt Cocopuffs wanted to see these facts. And it didn't mention whining but complaining which you did as was stated before.
Quote: The contect in which it was mentioned was mostly us laughing and making fun of the fact that the coalition acctually needed that many people to attack us, and then still failed.
You said it was your plan to invite these guys over for a party. Why complain if they invited some of their friends? Its similar that you now outnumbering Tortuga 4:1 and seem to have a good time.
I don't think you understand what complaining is. But that's OK. |
thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 17:59:00 -
[202]
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: MortyM How is mentioning that 80% of EvE was attacking us whining? Stating facts is whining now?
Capt Cocopuffs wanted to see these facts. And it didn't mention whining but complaining which you did as was stated before.
Actually he asked to see examples, not your opinions.. |
Charly Quickfire
STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.05.03 18:02:00 -
[203]
Edited by: Charly Quickfire on 03/05/2008 18:03:25
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: Slayton Ford As someone who lived next door to the Tortugans, I thought it was great the relationship we had with them. There was never any sov threats (Paragon Soul is 5+ capital jumps from PB), but we were able to have fun pew pew with each other. Seeing a tortugan log when trapped was a rare occurance. Occasionally we had blue settings, but only when needed.
Now were going to have the bobbits coming around who just like to play loggoffski when they find out about dead end branches.
I thought RA/Hydra/Goons were those who logged off... and STK the one who are the PRIME of ASCN with their superior tactics.
I quote:" But I can't help thinking that ignoring a BoB gang is "probably" the correct strategy."
So, to point the obvious: ASCN 2008, is the contingency plan already made and published?
Now is a good time to watch in mirror, and see the reflection.
As a (soon) former STK/Blackout pilot, I have to say: You are wrong.
It's common knowledge that only BoB does logoffskis, blobs or *erhm* whatever. Blackout never logs off facing superior odds during a roam, never tries to have more numbers than the hostile gang, or well again whatever.
Unfortunately, in every alliance you can find hypocratism, plain idiots, complete nuubs (especially even after several months or years of playing, although those probably belong to the 'idiot' group), etc., some alliances have more of those, some alliances "somehow" don't.
Honestly, you taking Slayton's obvious bait makes me think you are his alt, or vice versa.
ah ****, ninja edit to have some content vs the OP: Nice writeup eddz. Looking forward to hopefully read Seleene's perspective eventually. |
Ghaelsto Kakram
Mindgamers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 19:40:00 -
[204]
Originally by: thoth foc Actually he asked to see examples, not your opinions..
Thank you for pointing this out. I did address his question for him but he chose to ignore the answer and went in another direction in order to try and change the subject.
But what's going on here is that Eddz has pointed out his persistence of vision and people seem to be arguing about this which really doesn't make sense. Every side has their story and it will not completely match with the others. Then it should make more sense to post your side of the story. |
Ace Frehley
Minmatar Black Water.
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Posted - 2008.05.03 19:47:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Melchiorre Here's a tip Windy's main is not and has not ever been a member of a BoB Corp.
Mail me his name ingame and you get a cookie |
Oofig VanDoogan
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.05.03 19:48:00 -
[206]
Dude, whats wrong with listening to The Cure? |
slip66
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 21:50:00 -
[207]
Originally by: Alberta
Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: General Windypops Where? Give some examples please.
Are you serious? There are examples up the wazoo. Just look for the posts Bob mentioning 80% of Eve taking them on. Hard to miss, really.
These whining BoB posts are in the same thread as the screeshots of m0o losing all those battleships in Curse right?
dont think many will get that one ;) |
Smith
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.03 22:00:00 -
[208]
I enjoyed reading your POV Eddz. I did expect a major confrontation with Tortuga in TPAR, but when it never happened I was in no doubt that once we had survived the Delve Offensive, we would be back in Period Basis liberating and taking stations with minimal resistance. The hesitation or unwillingness from Tortuga must of been extremely frustrating for you. If you had engaged and beat BOB out of TPAR by brute force BOB and others would of taken note.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.05.03 22:52:00 -
[209]
Fascinating read and it's good to finally have a picture painted for me about what was going on down there. |
ShuPac the3rd
Amarr R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 23:21:00 -
[210]
I was thinking to say something about this, but.... no ....
wait... my wife is about to give birth to our little daughter ... yes I don't have time for EVE as I had before
/driving as crazy toward hospital
have fun guys - I miss you all KIA guys |
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Nin Jem
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.05.03 23:32:00 -
[211]
Originally by: Oofig VanDoogan Dude, whats wrong with listening to The Cure?
Maybe he got so old he only listens on inbetween days... |
BobbySteelz
Hemp Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.03 23:43:00 -
[212]
Edited by: BobbySteelz on 03/05/2008 23:42:58 Sig a bit outdated there melchiorre?
Word is goons are out in fountain doing mucho logoffski tactics with their blackops squad. just sayin'
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Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.04 00:04:00 -
[213]
Edited by: Angelonico on 04/05/2008 00:07:24
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Angelonico I was on the frontlines against bob for damn near a year.
Yes, and you lost. Badly. Stop whining and get on with the game. Perhaps lock yourself in your beadroom and listen to some Cure records?
Thank you to some of the bob posts explaining the inner mechanitinos of your decision, makes a lot easier to understand the bitterness now.
Windy, please read my posts for anything bitter, attack oriented, or negative at all. I was asking questions and stating my opinion. Please, go troll somewhere else before you get banned again.
Bob hates you. Goons hate you. Everyone wants you stop posting.
Perhaps you should listen.
Edit - and far as "me" losing, I don't see what grounds you base that on. I'm not a goon, this is my main. I enjoyed fighting for a year and was part of the front that killed shrike - and pushed bob back to delve. The fun I had over the course of that campaign is a fond fond memory. I have lots of lub for the irreverant goonies, but am not part of them now. |
Angelonico
Series of Tubes
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Posted - 2008.05.04 00:10:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Kryztal cant be arsed reading the meeellion and one posts between the OP and here.
Very nice write up Eddz :)
Your sig is pure unadulterated win good sir. |
Torhas
Carebear Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.04 01:14:00 -
[215]
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Kraknall 2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
Wrong, the coalition is trying to stop us, have you missed the fact the goons are living in Delve? No, we don't notice them either, but hey, they say they're there.
2 points to us.
Goons = coalition since when ? i though coalition was ALL EVE PILOTS 50K+++ BLABLABLA 200 goons = all goons since when ? oh wai...
stop da legendary resistance from da uber bob, since u have been pushed back in Delve you were ALMOST NEVER been outnombered, at your primetime you were MORE than Coalition members half the time, stop saying you have resisted to 40k pilots, u have faced off 1/10 of the coalition's members and you know it, its just like now : you are facing 5% of goonies in Delve.
You have "won" nothing, the only thing you achieved was to **** off 1/10 of coalition's pilots who decided to head back to interesting fights instead of "i-am-watching-tv-while-waiting-for-something-to-happen-here" or whatever.
BoB achieved many things, great things, but you haven't won nothing, except members, in this war. |
Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 01:26:00 -
[216]
Edited by: Rebellion on 04/05/2008 01:30:46 Nice post EddZ.
You don't understand BoB though. This Brotherhood was formed to stare face to face with Death every day, and kiss it on the mouth.
And if KIA's current midset is as you say it is, then good for you. Maybe you'll eventually understand what it is we've been doing ever since the start. |
Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 01:31:00 -
[217]
Edited by: Shivalla on 04/05/2008 01:32:49
Originally by: Charly Quickfire Edited by: Charly Quickfire on 03/05/2008 18:03:25
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: Slayton Ford As someone who lived next door to the Tortugans, I thought it was great the relationship we had with them. There was never any sov threats (Paragon Soul is 5+ capital jumps from PB), but we were able to have fun pew pew with each other. Seeing a tortugan log when trapped was a rare occurance. Occasionally we had blue settings, but only when needed.
Now were going to have the bobbits coming around who just like to play loggoffski when they find out about dead end branches.
I thought RA/Hydra/Goons were those who logged off... and STK the one who are the PRIME of ASCN with their superior tactics.
I quote:" But I can't help thinking that ignoring a BoB gang is "probably" the correct strategy."
So, to point the obvious: ASCN 2008, is the contingency plan already made and published?
Now is a good time to watch in mirror, and see the reflection.
As a (soon) former STK/Blackout pilot, I have to say: You are wrong.
It's common knowledge that only BoB does logoffskis, blobs or *erhm* whatever. Blackout never logs off facing superior odds during a roam, never tries to have more numbers than the hostile gang, or well again whatever.
Unfortunately, in every alliance you can find hypocratism, plain idiots, complete nuubs (especially even after several months or years of playing, although those probably belong to the 'idiot' group), etc., some alliances have more of those, some alliances "somehow" don't.
Honestly, you taking Slayton's obvious bait makes me think you are his alt, or vice versa.
ah ****, ninja edit to have some content vs the OP: Nice writeup eddz. Looking forward to hopefully read Seleene's perspective eventually.
So you have not yet read about the constigency plan?
Or was it just me, who have not yet readed about it?
PS: Missed memo about logging off... feck me... I thought your members said it in forums... my bad... |
Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.04 01:33:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Torhas
BoB achieved many things, great things, but you haven't won nothing, except members, in this war.
HavenĘt won anything? BoB won most of the battles. You consider that not winning anything?
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Endeva
Caldari Most Wanted INC G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.05.04 03:22:00 -
[219]
Originally by: ShuPac the3rd I was thinking to say something about this, but.... no ....
wait... my wife is about to give birth to our little daughter ... yes I don't have time for EVE as I had before
/driving as crazy toward hospital
have fun guys - I miss you all KIA guys
atleast this time you run in right moment from kia last time you stay in ascn till disbandment:) |
dedlyasasin
Anti Sweden Defense Force
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Posted - 2008.05.04 03:52:00 -
[220]
Quote: You said it was your plan to invite these guys over for a party. Why complain if they invited some of their friends? Its similar that you now outnumbering Tortuga 4:1 and seem to have a good time.
I think the important difference to note is that when BoB was fighting outnumbered 4:1, their participation went up and they fought - eventually driving off the attacking forces.
When Tortuga fought outnumbered 4:1, they hid in stations and suicided empty ships for insurance money while evacuating to empire. Kind of funny, really.
Rolling over and dying doesn't win battles - or imply flattering things about your character. Fight, and you may lose... but you might also win. Run, and you WILL lose. Personally, I'd rather be known as the loser that fought, rather than the loser that suicided ships and ran to empire. |
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Aman Sul
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 04:22:00 -
[221]
Far cry from your words in ScrapHeap when you said "when we are done with bob there will only be scraps for others to pick through"
Decent read. |
LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 06:13:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Aman Sul Far cry from your words in ScrapHeap when you said "when we are done with bob there will only be scraps for others to pick through"
Decent read.
Especially after their home performance(empire war) and getting spanked badly by 5 crazy french I think the whole wall of text is just apology for fail.
Btw, Eddz, good defense is to actually defend
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Illidan Stormrage
Gallente Redemption Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.04 06:31:00 -
[223]
"Beware of greeks bearing gifts"
Regardless of how it was served up for you by Seleene and how eloquently you worded it, reading between the lines you got......
1. Rich.
2. Spanked.
3. A bad reputation.
If your plan was to get rich regardless of how your reputation would look afterwards, well done mission accomplished.
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ShuPac the3rd
Amarr R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 07:31:00 -
[224]
Originally by: Endeva
Originally by: ShuPac the3rd I was thinking to say something about this, but.... no ....
wait... my wife is about to give birth to our little daughter ... yes I don't have time for EVE as I had before
/driving as crazy toward hospital
have fun guys - I miss you all KIA guys
atleast this time you run in right moment from kia last time you stay in ascn till disbandment:)
:) no mate. wrong. I run from EVE back to RL.
I da .... kada idući puta budem u Osijeku (Mirta će tamo roditi) moramo se nać' na kavi. Ovo je sada sluPbeni i javni poziv. Nemoj sjebat :) |
ImUrDestiny
R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:39:00 -
[225]
Edited by: ImUrDestiny on 04/05/2008 13:39:59
Originally by: ShuPac the3rd
Originally by: Endeva
Originally by: ShuPac the3rd
I da .... kada idući puta budem u Osijeku (Mirta će tamo roditi) moramo se nać' na kavi. Ovo je sada sluPbeni i javni poziv. Nemoj sjebat :)
G a y is in the air... :) |
7sunami
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:41:00 -
[226]
The wounded tiger approaches and the hyenas scatter
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Szprinkoth Sponsz
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:43:00 -
[227]
Originally by: 7sunami The wounded tiger approaches and the hyenas scatter
Tigers live in Asia and hyenas live in Africa. |
ImUrDestiny
R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:44:00 -
[228]
Originally by: 7sunami The wounded tiger approaches and the hyenas scatter
Is that a normal wounded tiger, or BoB modified wounded tiger ("The wounded tiger is the tiger before it's wounded")? |
Angelus X
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:14:00 -
[229]
Nice write up, enjoyed the KIA perspective, however it was soured for me by the poor attempt to save face with 'Our betrayl gave bob direction again' rubbish. |
Skilo
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:56:00 -
[230]
If your goal was to get lots of isks you win!
If your goal was to hold PB and secure it you fail!
You can write whatever you want that all will come to what your goals where!
You failed and failed twice because not only you didn't hold PB but also you lost it without a fight!
The few respect i had for Tortuga (if any) was lost when the ships you claim to have left there to fight where used to get insurance! Or where you fighting the Insurance Companys?
Morale on BoB was what it has always been. GUYS WE HAVE A FIGHT!!! YARRRRRRR!!!!
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DVIN CEO
Caldari Divine Industries
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:33:00 -
[231]
Good read, jus a few Q's...
Why all the bitterness from the bob guys ? I dont understand, bob got the space so ..err think i must of missed something or is it because kia didnt disband ? confused and cant be arsed to read it all again |
thoth foc
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:51:00 -
[232]
Originally by: DVIN CEO Good read, jus a few Q's...
Why all the bitterness from the bob guys ? I dont understand, bob got the space so ..err think i must of missed something or is it because kia didnt disband ? confused and cant be arsed to read it all again
highlighted the important parts for you |
Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 17:12:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Torhas rabble rabble !
Oh my , Torhas has been bought to become a forum smacking alt...
Nothing is sacred in this world |
Pesadel0
Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 17:20:00 -
[234]
Originally by: DVIN CEO Good read, jus a few Q's...
Why all the bitterness from the bob guys ? I dont understand, bob got the space so ..err think i must of missed something or is it because kia didnt disband ? confused and cant be arsed to read it all again
I will bite:
I liked kia point of view but for me in my opinion ,this reeks off propaganda i don¦t actually like to see someone saying "the betrayal of Bob by MC gave BoB direction again... "-false bob never was lost focus .
"We are beaten, we know it now, as we have done for a while, but we also know that the fight didnt start just a few weeks ago, we have fought this fight since Dec 15th 2007, and it was a long hard fight where the chance of victory was always slim, but we fought it none the less." - And this is false also they didn't fight and stil don¦t.
But mhe that is my opinion from what i see and what i didn¦t figth ,personally i think it is a shame this dying . |
Chirinako
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 19:07:00 -
[235]
Edited by: Chirinako on 04/05/2008 19:07:55 Interesting read and a well written few posts Eddz. Not saying I agree with it 100% but all in all I'd say it was pretty decent and unbiased which is rare for CAOD
Good luck to you guys in the future. |
Derrios
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2008.05.04 20:13:00 -
[236]
Interesting perspective from the opposition.
o7
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Moe Sczyzlak
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.05.05 20:09:00 -
[237]
Originally by: Hobblah Good write up and good luck.
Shame that BoB pilots feel then ned to smack such thread.
-Hobblah
P.S. I'm proud that I was there when Tortuga took the PB. POS warfare just is not for me though.
Kinda agree actually.
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King Leopold
Congo Free State DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.05.06 18:58:00 -
[238]
Napoleon said it best... "never interrupt your enemy while they are making a mistake.."
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Read my Blog - Congo Free State
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