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1717
Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.04.29 01:50:00 -
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Currently running level 3's in an artillery cane until I get the skill for a t2 tank for a raven to start level 4's. Until I get those trained up, would it be a good idea to do level 3's in a raven using 6 heavy launchers and 2 small ac's (or maybe 1 small ac and a drone aug mod) using 5 light (or maybe medium?) drones to take out frigs?
I know my dps would be higher, tank would be stronger, ranger would be much better, but that's obviously just EFT talking as I have yet to fly one. Anyone have tips on this subject? Thanks
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.04.29 01:58:00 -
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A raven is overkill for level 3's - so much overkill that it in fact would be outclassed by most battlecruisers.
It will certainly work but it will probably do the job slower than your cane and certainly do the job slower than even a poorly skilled drake pilot.
If you have the skills to fly a cane I'd say slap the heavy launchers on a drake and go to town with that instead.
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1717
Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres A raven is overkill for level 3's - so much overkill that it in fact would be outclassed by most battlecruisers.
It will certainly work but it will probably do the job slower than your cane and certainly do the job slower than even a poorly skilled drake pilot.
If you have the skills to fly a cane I'd say slap the heavy launchers on a drake and go to town with that instead.
You're probably right, but here's the thing: I'm using carbonized lead (obviously to maximize range) which makes the killing terribly slow. My dps goes through the roof when I use heavy launchers. My drones rip frigs and destroyers apart thanks to drones interfacing (not to mention I'd be able to tank them with ease anyway) and I'd rather not get into a drake purely because I'm going to be using the raven for level 4's anyway (don't wanna shell out the cash for another BC just to go through level 3's a bit faster), and if it turns out the raven isn't as effective as a cane (with terrible dps) I'll just keep using that until I move up to level 4's. eve-online.com |
Killer Kelly
Caldari Risen Heretic Armada New Eden Federation.
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:11:00 -
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level 3s are easy in a decently tanked drake with heavies and t2 light drones. Blockade can be difficult sometimes though. ___________ I Get Money in New Eden Federation |
no013
Minmatar Stormwolf Holdings LLC
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: no013 on 29/04/2008 02:12:19 I use hurricane to do lvl 3's. You carry pp and carbonized lead so start sniping them off when you aggro them and change to pp when they start to orbit you. but yea there are another post where the op had similar problems. I myself went raven but I felt i did a better time with my hurricane then raven in lvl 3's Artillery cannons = Worst Dps, tracking, range and ammo cap. No cap... Why do we need cap for anything els if your sniping. |
Etho Demerzel
Gallente Holy Clan of the Cone
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Posted - 2008.04.29 02:39:00 -
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With a proper fit Raven you can do level 3 missions easily with low sp. Even if you have good skills in missiles and shield tanking you will complete level 3 missions much quicker with a cruise missile raven with a target painter fit than with a drake or any other battlecruiser.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.04.29 04:05:00 -
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Edited by: Derek Sigres on 29/04/2008 04:09:16
Originally by: Etho Demerzel With a proper fit Raven you can do level 3 missions easily with low sp. Even if you have good skills in missiles and shield tanking you will complete level 3 missions much quicker with a cruise missile raven with a target painter fit than with a drake or any other battlecruiser.
I disagree. The Drake has a lower damage output - that much is not up for debate but given that MOST of the rats in level 3's are still frigates the drake seems to have more effective DPS than the raven. A Cruise raven will hit the average frigate for less damage per volley than the drake (even with target painters, which the drake is free to use since a fully tanked drake in all actuallity so fantastically overtanked for a level 3 that it's stupid). The raven will almost certainly pop the cruisers faster than the drake (unless the cruisers take more than 2 volleys from the raven, which they almsot certainly would in the case of a "low skill" pilot, then it's about even yet again).
At any rate, either ship will breeze through level 3 missions even with fairly low SP. The drake remains the better package for the job thanks to weapon systems that are better suited for taking out the rats. At very high SP levels the raven MAY surpass the drake on level 3 missions but at that point I would be forced to wonder why the pilot was wasting time grinding level 3's rather than doing the much more profitable level 4's.
Even now when I have fairly good skills at both ships I would take a drake over a ravel for level 3's. The drake locks faster, can pop the average non elite frig in a single volley (with the next volley following theoritically in less than 7 seconds, but actually closer to 8 or 9 thanks to lag), takes down the average non elite cruiser in two volleys and battlecruisers in 3 volleys. It moves faster, aligns faster, shoots faster and locks faster. The only thing the drake does worse is pure DPS output which is why the Raven is preferred for level 4's over the drake.
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Leikung
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Posted - 2008.04.30 11:20:00 -
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I do lvl 3s in a Manticore.
They arent that hard
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Tanith YarnDemon
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Posted - 2008.04.30 17:00:00 -
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I've been flying a Raven since my first month in-game. I can do level 4's, but they tend to be slower than level 3's and therefor net me less money.
The secret is kind of simple and twofold. Get Rigor rigs and targetpainters. I don't have the skills to use rigor rigs myself, but had a friend to put them in, and then give the ship back.
You could go with 3 rigs, but I went with only 2. This means I have a explosion radius of 184m, and iirc around 300 dps in missiles + 5 medium drones(DI III so far). When in missions I simply sip my drones on the small blokes, TP the medium, and fire on the large ones(>184m) while the TP finnishes it's cycle.
From all the research I've done the Raven is FAR less skillintensive than the Drake, and it seems to hold true. I have yet to see any Drake pilot handle level 4's or even 3's at this rate at 30 days of age.
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Boz Well
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:07:00 -
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It doesn't really matter. Whether it's a good idea or not depends on what you want to do. If you have a raven and don't want to buy a drake, the raven will do just fine in level 3's. If you want an exclusive level 3 ship, maybe just get a drake. Either one works fine. The raven has the better drone bay and larger missiles, but the drake has the advantage of the passive tank (lets you be lazy).
Is it a 'good idea'? Who knows. But it's not really a bad one. It just comes down to personal preference.
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Verrain Ravenlark
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Kelly level 3s are easy in a decently tanked drake with heavies and t2 light drones. Blockade can be difficult sometimes though.
So are lv. 4s.
Keep in mind when your looking at your EFT Raven DPS that frigates will only take a fraction of this damage unless you use target painters.
You won't die in a Raven doing lv. 3's, but the speed will be poor. Not flying a 'cane myself I have no point of comparison between the two however.
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.04.30 20:57:00 -
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For level 3s in general I prefer an active tanked Ferox over the passive drake. Clears out the frigates far faster at 50km-60km and Cruiser/Battlecruiser hulls die just as fast when Antimatter is loaded. For close orbiting frigs I had 90% webber to deal with them along with a single assault launcher and light drones. Blockade was the only mission that ever truely taxed that ferox.
Keep in ind I do have well over 7M in gunnery all pointed directly into useing hybrid weapons so my results can be considered skewed to the ferox's side.
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thisismyalt
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Posted - 2008.04.30 21:55:00 -
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Raven (even armor tanked ones) can run lv3, just a little slow.
Drake is better suited to lv3s, Cerberus if you wanna do em in style
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