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Arvald
Caldari The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.04.27 22:08:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 27/04/2008 22:16:02 ok ive been thinking about getting a nightmare but need some help with my fit
[Nightmare, PVE] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
and switch th hardners as needed, waht you guys think?
Quote: Shooting the hostage does usually remove a critical bargaining chip of the hostage takers
I don't think it mattered at that point, we were already bargaining with missile launchers |
Ortos
Abyssus Incendia THORN Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.27 22:30:00 -
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There was a good thread on the nightmare yesterday I think. Look at page 2 and 3. =)
ctrl+f is your friend.
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.27 22:47:00 -
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Sigh.
In the real world, Flying around in a ship with loot of that value invites people to suicide gank. And its rather common.
Even assuming no gankers, you are doing it all wrong tbh. Cap relays? dual amps? PDU? I am not even going to talk about the Megapulse without scorch .
Anyhow, setup as follows,
H: 4 x megapulse II or Tach II, 3 x whatever M: X-Large Booster II, Amp II, 3 x Hardner II, 2 x Cap Recharger II L: 4 x Flux Coil II, 1 x Heatsink II R: 3 x CCC Rigs (use t2 and/or cap implants if you lack cap skills)
Runs forever with all guns on. If you do not want a permatank, use more heatsinks and less flux. Use Navy versions for Tach or heatsinks, or if you are a megapulser, use t2 megapulse so you can use scorch to hit people far off.
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Arvald
Caldari The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.04.27 23:03:00 -
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ok seeing as how i fail at fitting a nightmare how does this look for a raven l4 fit
[Raven, pve] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier True Sansha Cap Recharger True Sansha Cap Recharger
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
would switch on invln for an em on the more em heavy missions
Quote: Shooting the hostage does usually remove a critical bargaining chip of the hostage takers
I don't think it mattered at that point, we were already bargaining with missile launchers |
MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod Arcane Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.27 23:43:00 -
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Skip the pith-booster, it's not needed and will only lead to your inevitble suecide-gank-crying-thread in a forseeble future :) |
Arvald
Caldari The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.04.28 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: MuffinsRevenger Skip the pith-booster, it's not needed and will only lead to your inevitble suecide-gank-crying-thread in a forseeble future :)
haha me crying over loosing a ship
your talkin to they guy who yoinked a can from the rackiteres in a 600m fir ashimmu just for the lols =P
Quote: Shooting the hostage does usually remove a critical bargaining chip of the hostage takers
I don't think it mattered at that point, we were already bargaining with missile launchers |
Forge Lag
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Posted - 2008.04.28 01:23:00 -
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Edited by: Forge Lag on 28/04/2008 01:24:10 Why not use CCC II on that Raven?
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Arvald
Caldari The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.04.28 01:32:00 -
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Edited by: Arvald on 28/04/2008 01:32:06
Originally by: Forge Lag Edited by: Forge Lag on 28/04/2008 01:24:10 Why not use CCC II on that Raven?
havent botherd to train for em yet
but yeah taht raven is outa my pricerange for the moment.....r ever so gona have to wait
Quote: Shooting the hostage does usually remove a critical bargaining chip of the hostage takers
I don't think it mattered at that point, we were already bargaining with missile launchers |
Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 06:18:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 06:18:46
Originally by: Arvald ok seeing as how i fail at fitting a nightmare how does this look for a raven l4 fit
[Raven, pve] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Power Diagnostic System
Pith A-Type Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Shield Boost Amplifier True Sansha Cap Recharger True Sansha Cap Recharger
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Wrath Cruise Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
would switch on invln for an em on the more em heavy missions
Issues with setup are.... 1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting? 2. Pith item. Yes its not Xlarge, but some ganker is going to mistake it for a Xlarge one of these days and end up ganking you. There has already been a couple of cases where people got ganked with full named/t2 setup and LBA due to ganker not being careful. 3. DG invuls. Seriously, if even one of your set drops, you are profitable. 4. PDU's insted of Flux Coil II 5. Arbalest launchers insted of t2 or navy.
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Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.28 06:50:00 -
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Edited by: Durzel on 28/04/2008 06:50:51
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting?
Could you elaborate on this? Aren't cap rechargers pretty much a necessity on a ship like this?
EDIT: Ah oops, thought we were still talking about the Nightmare
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.28 07:09:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 07:09:38
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 28/04/2008 06:50:51
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting?
Could you elaborate on this? Aren't cap rechargers pretty much a necessity on a ship like this?
EDIT: Ah oops, thought we were still talking about the Nightmare
True Sansha vs t2 cap rechargers. No point wasting isk over TS ones when you have tons of free fitting for t2 ones. Both have same stats. --
Billion Isk Mission |
Arvald
Caldari The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.04.28 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 07:09:38
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 28/04/2008 06:50:51
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting?
Could you elaborate on this? Aren't cap rechargers pretty much a necessity on a ship like this?
EDIT: Ah oops, thought we were still talking about the Nightmare
True Sansha vs t2 cap rechargers. No point wasting isk over TS ones when you have tons of free fitting for t2 ones. Both have same stats.
i will admit that you do make some very very good points, but the thing with me is i find it boring as HELL ti have isk just lying around and if im gona let the threat of suidice gankers scare me into not spending my isk then i might as well quit now |
Wolverine PL
Gallente xtort Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.04.28 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald Edited by: Arvald on 27/04/2008 22:16:02 ok ive been thinking about getting a nightmare but need some help with my fit
[Nightmare, PVE] True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Power Diagnostic System True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Ballistic Deflection Field Caldari Navy Heat Dissipation Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L True Sansha Mega Pulse Laser, Blood Multifrequency L [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I Capacitor Control Circuit I
and switch th hardners as needed, waht you guys think?
You know you will get ganked soon in empire:) They like when ppl post what they have so they dont have to scan you:P
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.04.28 17:20:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 07:09:38
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 28/04/2008 06:50:51
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting?
Could you elaborate on this? Aren't cap rechargers pretty much a necessity on a ship like this?
EDIT: Ah oops, thought we were still talking about the Nightmare
True Sansha vs t2 cap rechargers. No point wasting isk over TS ones when you have tons of free fitting for t2 ones. Both have same stats.
i will admit that you do make some very very good points, but the thing with me is i find it boring as HELL ti have isk just lying around and if im gona let the threat of suidice gankers scare me into not spending my isk then i might as well quit now
It's not an issue of "letting someone scare you", it's a matter of cost. How much faster will you be able to grind isk with that staggeringly expensive setup? I'll wager that while it's faster than a pure t2 fit, it would take an eternity for you to realize a profit (.i.e the difference in isk income eventualy oupacing the several billion isk you spent on the ship).
Even more importantly, never EVER forget one of the very FIRST lessons of the eve tutorial: Don't undock a ship you can't afford to lose. If you have the cashflow to lose a faction fitted beast of a ship then go for it. If you undock a ship as fantastically expensive as the ones you've posted, people will eventually try and gank you. Most gankers aren't stupid - and that faction fit won't weather the fire indefinitly.
Personally, I'd say you're better off going for a t2 fitted faction ship. At 400 million isk the CNR is an absolute STEAL these days, and it will run missions better than your multi-billion isk standard raven.
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Lanu
Caldari Genos Occidere
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Posted - 2008.04.28 19:22:00 -
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My nightmare fitting :
2x faction cap power relays 3x faction heat sinks ( or better if you got isk )
1x dg/cn x-large booster ( or a officer/deadspace one like pith x/a/b type and estamel/vepas ) 2x dg/cn invul's ( or better if you got isk ) 1x dg/cn shield boost amp ( or better if you got isk ) 3x cap recharger II
4 x Tachyon II 2x auto targeting system II ( not active just so I can lock 12 targets :p )
1x ccc2 2x ccc
crystal set ( or lg if your cheap ) slot7: G2-beta (5% reduction in all turret cap need) slot8: CC8 ( +5% capacitor capacity ) slot9: CX-2 ( +5% turret damage ) slot10: G2-Epsilon ( 5% large energy turret damage )
Does about 1150 dps and tanks 1300 overall, versus guristas about 1400 versus sansha's about 1k and versus angels around 1900. This perma runs the guns + tank.
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Arvald
Caldari The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.04.28 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Derek Sigres
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 07:09:38
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 28/04/2008 06:50:51
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting?
Could you elaborate on this? Aren't cap rechargers pretty much a necessity on a ship like this?
EDIT: Ah oops, thought we were still talking about the Nightmare
True Sansha vs t2 cap rechargers. No point wasting isk over TS ones when you have tons of free fitting for t2 ones. Both have same stats.
i will admit that you do make some very very good points, but the thing with me is i find it boring as HELL ti have isk just lying around and if im gona let the threat of suidice gankers scare me into not spending my isk then i might as well quit now
It's not an issue of "letting someone scare you", it's a matter of cost. How much faster will you be able to grind isk with that staggeringly expensive setup? I'll wager that while it's faster than a pure t2 fit, it would take an eternity for you to realize a profit (.i.e the difference in isk income eventualy oupacing the several billion isk you spent on the ship).
Even more importantly, never EVER forget one of the very FIRST lessons of the eve tutorial: Don't undock a ship you can't afford to lose. If you have the cashflow to lose a faction fitted beast of a ship then go for it. If you undock a ship as fantastically expensive as the ones you've posted, people will eventually try and gank you. Most gankers aren't stupid - and that faction fit won't weather the fire indefinitly.
Personally, I'd say you're better off going for a t2 fitted faction ship. At 400 million isk the CNR is an absolute STEAL these days, and it will run missions better than your multi-billion isk standard raven.
first i do have the isk to loose it and second i dont mission run for the isk, do it for the sec gains
Quote: Shooting the hostage does usually remove a critical bargaining chip of the hostage takers
I don't think it mattered at that point, we were already bargaining with missile launchers |
Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.04.28 19:50:00 -
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I've been using this lately...
4x MP, heavy nos, drone link aug XLB, SBA, 4x hardeners, heavy injector 3x HS, 2x TE 3x CCCs
Sometimes I'll swap to tachyons depending on the mission, but scorch with 2x tracking enhancers should be fine for most.
Permarep setups are nice when there's lag, but lately I just don't run missions when it's laggy (ie. on weekends). ----------------------------------- You're not a pirate unless your -10 |
Morthis Rygal
Gallente Zero Potential
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 07:09:38
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 28/04/2008 06:50:51
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting?
Could you elaborate on this? Aren't cap rechargers pretty much a necessity on a ship like this?
EDIT: Ah oops, thought we were still talking about the Nightmare
True Sansha vs t2 cap rechargers. No point wasting isk over TS ones when you have tons of free fitting for t2 ones. Both have same stats.
i will admit that you do make some very very good points, but the thing with me is i find it boring as HELL ti have isk just lying around and if im gona let the threat of suidice gankers scare me into not spending my isk then i might as well quit now
If you're wanting to spend lots of isk to make an uber ship of doom, regardless of suicide risks, feel free. His point remains the same though. The only thing True Sansha PDU's offer over T2 PDU's is extra powergrid. It doesn't give any more cap/cap recharge/shields/shield recharge. Since your Raven setup (and almost any mission raven setup really) has plenty of PG to spare, why bother? If you're gonna drop isk on faction mods (granted these aren't very expensive), at least spend it on something that will have any effect at all on your ship, because those PDU's won't.
It's also one of the most common things I see when people post CNR/Nightmare setups, I swear everybody just clicks faction mods when posting setups because T2 isn't "cool" enough or doesn't give you enough forum epeen. A lot of those people seem to be completely unaware of what these faction mods actually have to offer over normal T2. :p
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:07:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald first i do have the isk to loose it and second i dont mission run for the isk, do it for the sec gains
Then, you're better off going with a multi billion ISK faction fitted CNR if you have the cash to blow. Nightmare will breeze through missions involving EM weak rats but the CNR will breeze through them all. I think you're agent will primarily determine that particular choice.
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Arvald
Caldari The Ninjapirates
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Posted - 2008.04.28 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: Morthis Rygal
Originally by: Arvald
Originally by: Lord WarATron Edited by: Lord WarATron on 28/04/2008 07:09:38
Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 28/04/2008 06:50:51
Originally by: Lord WarATron
1. True Sansha cap rechargers. Whats the point on a setup with tons of free fitting?
Could you elaborate on this? Aren't cap rechargers pretty much a necessity on a ship like this?
EDIT: Ah oops, thought we were still talking about the Nightmare
True Sansha vs t2 cap rechargers. No point wasting isk over TS ones when you have tons of free fitting for t2 ones. Both have same stats.
i will admit that you do make some very very good points, but the thing with me is i find it boring as HELL ti have isk just lying around and if im gona let the threat of suidice gankers scare me into not spending my isk then i might as well quit now
If you're wanting to spend lots of isk to make an uber ship of doom, regardless of suicide risks, feel free. His point remains the same though. The only thing True Sansha PDU's offer over T2 PDU's is extra powergrid. It doesn't give any more cap/cap recharge/shields/shield recharge. Since your Raven setup (and almost any mission raven setup really) has plenty of PG to spare, why bother? If you're gonna drop isk on faction mods (granted these aren't very expensive), at least spend it on something that will have any effect at all on your ship, because those PDU's won't.
It's also one of the most common things I see when people post CNR/Nightmare setups, I swear everybody just clicks faction mods when posting setups because T2 isn't "cool" enough or doesn't give you enough forum epeen. A lot of those people seem to be completely unaware of what these faction mods actually have to offer over normal T2. :p
well the main reason im going mostly faction is because im speced in ships such as assault frigs and stealth bombers, so i havent bothered training for alot of t2 stuf most others would
Quote: Shooting the hostage does usually remove a critical bargaining chip of the hostage takers
I don't think it mattered at that point, we were already bargaining with missile launchers |
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