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Fyor
I Am Wee Tod Did
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Posted - 2012.02.29 06:40:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:Just curious, maybe some of you can help me understand why some people are so dead against nullsec.
Okay...some may have had a bad experience, but I know of some people that plainly refuse to ever go to null...what a waste of this beautiful game if your not going to eventually explore all aspects.
so anyone? open conversation, lets find out the reasons.
I come and go from nullsec with different toons.
I actually quit for 5 months after realizing that I was working 60 hours a week keeping our POS's up, running a 30 planet PI chain, and jumping stuff back and forth in my JF. The game just starting taking more than it was giving.
After three major relocation and realignments with new mega corps, we were just tired. For lack of better words, battle worn.
Easiest job in nullsec is being a tackler for a fleet. Beyond that, it's work. |
Lithely Jaine
Love Squad
Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
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Posted - 2012.02.29 06:54:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:
Having said that, anomalies are more or less risk free. I still think if they're buffed they should make running them more dangerous, currently if you pay attention to local and have a few bubbles on gate you will literally never die to anything bar an awoxer. Even the bubbles on gate are pretty much optional, if you hit warp as soon as a neut enters even carriers should have time to align before anything lands.
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I guess you don't understand what Risk mean. i guess for you, your friends aren't in any risk at all and gain has much has you do by keeping the gates safe for you to Rat.
Your excuse of "safe" because your ORGANIZE. Saying that Null sec is more secure then high sec is a flat lie stop twisting your poor excuse into a logical defense when it is not. |
Fyor
I Am Wee Tod Did
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Posted - 2012.02.29 06:57:00 -
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Quote: Saying that Null sec is more secure then high sec is a flat lie stop twisting your poor excuse into a logical defense when it is not.
so true... |
Misanthra
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.02.29 07:03:00 -
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Ines Tegator wrote:I've lived in nullsec for perhaps a total of 6 months, and have completely sworn it off. Frankly, it gets in the way of me playing the game.
It goes roughly like this:
Log In
CTA in progress
sit in station cause I can't afford ships cause I can't grind isk cause there's a 100% tax during a CTA.
Log Off
Alternately;
Log In
CTA in progress
Run magnetometric sites for isk to afford ships to run CTA's, thus getting money in spite of the tax issue.
Get booted from alliance for not flying in the CTA.
/wrist
And since there seems to be a CTA up at all times (if it's not home defense, it's picking a fight with someone else so they don't come to our space, thus requiring home defense), high sec is simply more fun. Which is saying a lot, cause highsec is not exactly exciting.
if I didn't know better, I'd sya you were in the oceanic timezone. I am....got this alot lol. Kid wanted extra daddy time and stayed up longer, I being a good dad said kid > game....and then log in way past the after dt rollouts going well guess I'll hide on this empire char. 0.0 a wash for the night unless I wanted to solo a rokh 20 jumps since I missed the wagon train or they shut down the titan bridge early. Eventually just said well lets get the combat char back to empire lol.
Or I did catch these cta's. run by US peeps...so they go jsut one more pos since powered by a goodnight's sleep and morning coffee. Its 2430 my time, I log and go to bed since work in the morning. Then wonder how many days I will be stuck in a staging pos (if there) in some **** hole system till I say screw it and self destruct a rokh because its easier than getting ass chewed for soloing it home no scout wjhich will most likely end in a gate camp death. Sometimes I got lucky and caught a fleet day or 2 later to tag along with and come back. Sometimes.....lol.
But empire can have it fun moments. Would not have flown half the ships I have if I stayed in 0.0 fulltime. I like cheap ratters since they can go boom to roams. Empire I have tried out pirate BS's. golem, etc....not as fun as pvp but keeps it from getting stale. |
Fyor
I Am Wee Tod Did
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Posted - 2012.02.29 07:14:00 -
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Tidurious wrote:I have yet to find a corp that will accept a player like me: I am a casual player who might play 2 hours on week one, 5 hours on week two, and not at all for 10 days after that. I have a job, am getting married soon, and I'm also finishing two degrees in college. My online times are not consistent other than one evening a week for an hour or two USUALLY.
I'd LOVE to find a nullsec corp that would have me, but it's hard to find when playtime is so varied.
Guessing you found someone to accept you:
"He is in the C4C-Z4 system, VNX-P0 constellation of the Fade region." |
Averyia
The Nephilims
TERRA FIRMA.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 08:20:00 -
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Well. It could be that their corp/alliance is inactive, the staging system has a horrible market and the alliance has poor logisitcs to move things from empire trade hubs, the space is insecure and the alliance can never muster a group to defend it effectively making PVE for iskies out of the question. I know that when I leave null sec its usually because of these reasons.
All warfare is based on deception and logistics. Battles and soldiers are secondary priorities. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power.
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.02.29 08:26:00 -
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not enough isk to be made in nulsec justify the risk, ending in a net loss compared to just semi-afking your isk up to the billions in highsec
you can either
1) buff nullsec reward to where incursions are no longer appealing (dear lord no)
2) decrease the risk to nullsec (gay)
3) decrease the reward of highsec (too many carebears will whine)
4) increase risk to highsec considerably (this is the correct solution) |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:00:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:Because everything you can get in null sec, you can get in high sec with considerably less effort.
That's what it basically comes down to, same can be applied to Low Sec and WH space. It takes so little effort to make lots of ISK in High Sec and it's nearly risk free. Incursions is just the worst of it, but missions, exploration etc are all just so out of line in High Sec with the current risk.
I haven't lived in Sov Nullsec since i first tried out EVE, I hated it...not that I ever showed up to CTAs and all that BS lol.l I think with some rework it will be good for some sorts of players that enjoy that sort of gameplay, but I doubt it will ever appeal to me. Get rid of Local Intel I might visit though.
I could see myself moving back to NPC Nullsec if the rewards outweighed those of High Sec and there was a meaningful way to ally with NPC Pirates. |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:05:00 -
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Lithely Jaine wrote:I guess you don't understand what Risk mean. i guess for you, your friends aren't in any risk at all and gain has much has you do by keeping the gates safe for you to Rat.
Your excuse of "safe" because your ORGANIZE. Saying that Null sec is more secure then high sec is a flat lie stop twisting your poor excuse into a logical defense when it is not.
Sorry but where exactly have I been saying null is more secure, I just said it's not very dangerous? This is what I posted originally, and I stand by it:
Simi Kusoni wrote:Because everything you can get in null sec, you can get in high sec with considerably less effort.
Not that I'm one of the "buff null sec" crowd, to be honest it isn't really dangerous enough to warrant it. I'd be happy with vanguards getting a little tweak, null sec (mostly sov null sec) being made considerably more dangerous and then they can talk about buffing it.
Also, keeping an eye on local so you can run anomalies is NOT being "organised" and making money. If you consider something that bots can pull off to be skilled game play then that's your choice, my personal opinion is that anomalies are ridiculously easy and risk free and the rewards are balanced accordingly. If you want to buff anoms, you can look at increasing the risk or skill involved in running them first.
Anyway, it's a moot point, anomalies are low-end ISK generation in null unless you're blitzing them in a titan. Most I ever made from them was ~130m an hour, and that was with a max skilled carrier + machariel. I made more than that dual boxing incursions in high sec. There are better and easier ways to make ISK in null, that are just as safe.
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:not enough isk to be made in nulsec justify the risk, ending in a net loss compared to just semi-afking your isk up to the billions in highsec
you can either
1) buff nullsec reward to where incursions are no longer appealing (dear lord no)
2) decrease the risk to nullsec (gay)
3) decrease the reward of highsec (too many carebears will whine)
4) increase risk to highsec considerably (this is the correct solution)
This. Although I still think buffing null + increasing risk would be cool 
Also, for what it's worth I think CCP are planning on spicing up high sec in the next expansion. Should be interesting to say the least, I'm just hoping they get rid of dec shields and finally deal with neutral RR.
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Simi Kusoni
The Synergy
Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:12:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Simi Kusoni wrote:Because everything you can get in null sec, you can get in high sec with considerably less effort.
That's what it basically comes down to, same can be applied to Low Sec and WH space. It takes so little effort to make lots of ISK in High Sec and it's nearly risk free. Incursions is just the worst of it, but missions, exploration etc are all just so out of line in High Sec with the current risk. I haven't lived in Sov Nullsec since i first tried out EVE, I hated it...not that I ever showed up to CTAs and all that BS lol.l I think with some rework it will be good for some sorts of players that enjoy that sort of gameplay, but I doubt it will ever appeal to me. Get rid of Local Intel I might visit though. I could see myself moving back to NPC Nullsec if the rewards outweighed those of High Sec and there was a meaningful way to ally with NPC Pirates.
I dunno, I tried NPC Null for a bit a while back, when I was purely solo. It was actually pretty cool, still pretty safe since I only did exploration and I always had an alt on the gate watching for people, plus I moved around by carrier, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be.
But yeah, it was fun, but in terms of profit it wasn't much better than low sec exploration or raiding C3s. Sov null I think is a little better, but there seems to be a lot more scanning required. I'm guessing that's due to the system upgrades CCP introduced.
As for allying yourself with NPC pirates, why? ^^ You mean some kind of their station guns defend you deal?
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Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.02.29 09:54:00 -
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Simi Kusoni wrote:
As for allying yourself with NPC pirates, why? ^^ You mean some kind of their station guns defend you deal?
Yeah along those lines, but doesn't get to the depth of it. I know it's very much in the minority these days to voice these opinions, but EVE is a role-playing game and I like to be able to immerse myself in the game world and interact with it in as meaningful way as possible. If I build up high standings with a faction I expect that to mean something, and likewise if I get a negative standings, that really isn't the case now. Good MMORPGs make player's choices and actions have meaningful consequences, this shouldn't just be in regard to other players but the NPCs as well.
As to rewards, I ran Pirate Missions and the income is a fraction to what I make in High Sec just doing Exploration, and since the standings don't mean ****, there's really no point, I don't do PvE for it's own sake as it all pretty much sucks.
I ran "purely solo" as well, well actually real "pure solo" as I didn't have an alt account.  Bookmarks, cloak, and Local Chat wasn't that dangerous.
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Tinu Moorhsum
Royal Scientific Research Enterprise
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Posted - 2012.02.29 12:03:00 -
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L0rdF1end wrote:Just curious, maybe some of you can help me understand why some people are so dead against nullsec.
Okay...some may have had a bad experience, but I know of some people that plainly refuse to ever go to null...what a waste of this beautiful game if your not going to eventually explore all aspects.
so anyone? open conversation, lets find out the reasons.
There are really three reasons I see people leaving null-sec:
1) Some people discover that they don't like the big fleet fights and the lag. They get into 0.0 because they want to make isk but have trouble adapting to the simple fact that they are also expected to participate in fleets. The null-sec game is really a team effort and people who are not team players don't fit in.
2) If you're unlucky you'll get in a corp/alliance with socially inadept FC's who have big egos and are rude and juvenile beyond belief to people who volunteer their time and effort and put their ships on the line for the "good of the many". If logging on means enduring abuse then people give it up (and you would be amazed how many -- often inexperienced -- FC's are like this).
3) In some areas of EVE, the null-sec game is mind-numbingly dull because it can be (a) empty (b) full of bots or (c) camped all the time by reds which makes undocking alone dangerous. In other words, there are many places in Null-sec that experience a severe lack of content. People who experience that tend to think that all of null-sec is boring and just give it up.
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xeitgeist
STEEL CITY.
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Posted - 2012.02.29 14:37:00 -
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It's mainly ISK. PVP isn't really that profitable compared to things like Incursions, which doesn't make sense because its the highest risk activity in the game. |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:04:00 -
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I have been in 0.0 several times and the reason why I stay in low-sec faction warefare is simply this: 0.0 is boring!
Here are some random reasons why it is boring to be in 0.0:
- Being part of a 100 man gate camp waiting for a victim to jump through is simply boring... 30 minutes no activity, then someone jumps through not having a cloak... 2 secs later he is dead. Where is the hunting fun?
- Shooting at POS or structures in general is boring.
- Maintaining of a POS because you can't dock is boring. Give us a small housing for solo or small corps.
- If you are flying a small ship (e.g. Frigate) you usually can't do anything useful PVE-wise in 0.0. => This is boring if you just want to relax and shoot some rats.
- If you are flying a big ship to do some solo PVE, then you have to be careful not to loose it due to costs... so if you have enemies in space what do you do? You dock / hide in POS / cloak => this is boring.
- Waiting ages until a proper 50 man (or more) fleet is set up to do anything useful in 0.0 is... yes, it is boring.
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