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Grog Drinker
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2012.02.29 18:15:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Just want to point out a few people that I personally know will ALWAYS honour ransoms.
Me! My Alliance mates
The Tuskers The Bastards
I can't honestly vouch for anyone else but I know the above 100%. There are others out there.
We would rather you not tell people you know us. We have a reputation to uphold. |
Naj Panora
Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:47:00 -
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Herr Ziell wrote:Naj Panora wrote:Herr Ziell wrote:The full ransom was not honored, only a partial amount was sent. I always honor full ransoms as it ensures the next time I will get my isk again. 20mil was demanded 20mil was paid. You then proceeded to demand more money. You didn't honor the ransom. All ransom money needs to be stated up front and not over X number of demands. This was not what was agreed upon in conversation. Perhaps you should talk more to your friend
I was on Teamspeak getting the ransom demand in real time so I was talking to him. |
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Biggest Losers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 19:56:00 -
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Herr ziell your so full of it you stole from me i was dumb enough to retaliate then you demanded a ransom of 20m isk i paid then you said that was just to see if i would pay and demanded 60m isk more after you asked me how much isk i had and i replyed 100m isk why you gotta lie dude just shows how little honor you have. i then said screw it and you brought in someone with a hurricane and took me out |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:20:00 -
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Magoo FluxinHertz wrote:Herr ziell your so full of it you stole from me i was dumb enough to retaliate then you demanded a ransom of 20m isk i paid then you said that was just to see if i would pay and demanded 60m isk more after you asked me how much isk i had and i replyed 100m isk why you gotta lie dude just shows how little honor you have. i then said screw it and you brought in someone with a hurricane and took me out
First of all, please don't insult me by saying I would actually ask double the amount of your ships worth. I am more professional than that and I request that you recognize that. Your drake had a value of 36 million, all I did was ask for a 40 million payout as, with mods and rigs, it would be well worth your isk to pay.
You sent 20 million at which point I told you that you needed 20 million more and that I would then set you free. Upon hearing this you went into a rage and told me to blow you up instead, so I did. |
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Biggest Losers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:27:00 -
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bs dude you stole from me i shot at you you attacked me and then said you would let me go for 20 m isk i paid and you continued to attack me and when i said WTF i PAID you said "hat was just to see if you would pay"
Its cool though no sweat off my back lesson learned and your just a lieing fool ... all of this is just too much bs drama for my taste and i wouldnt expect anything more from a lair like herr |
Naj Panora
Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:47:00 -
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[IMG]http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/3546/ransomepaymentedited2.png[/IMG]
Uploaded with ImageShack.us
There is a copy of his wallet showing 20mil payed to Herr as per their agreement. Unfortunately the logs have rolled over so I can't get them from Magoo. |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:04:00 -
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So first you say I asked a second fee and now you are saying I said that it was just to see if you would pay?
You need to get your story straight. He did pay me 20 million, but it was not the 40 million that I asked for. That was what was agreed upon and that is not what was paid as can be seen in the screenshot. |
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Biggest Losers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:06:00 -
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you did not ask for 40mi isk the first time lmao your a clown dude what ever you said 20m ill let you go i paid the 20 and you continued the attack what ever lmao |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:10:00 -
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Desist from slandering my name further than you have already tried. You aggressed a rifter in a drake because you figured it would be an easy kill and got stuck. You could have paid the ransom and been set free but instead decided to continue to fire and only pay a partial sum. The result was a continuation of fire and your death after you refused to pay the remainder of the fee.
Why you would only pay half is beyond me, but don't make a thread attempting to slander me and saying I asked 60m for a 35m ship, then changing stories when I catch you in your web of lies. Good day to you |
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Biggest Losers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:16:00 -
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Channel ID: -28730767 Channel Name: Private Chat (Herr Ziell) Listener: Magoo FluxinHertz Session started: 2012.02.28 00:14:28
n++[ 2012.02.28 00:14:34 ] Herr Ziell > pay me and ill let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:04 ] Herr Ziell > or do you want to lose your 30 mil ship n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:10 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how much n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:17 ] Herr Ziell > i think 20mil is a fair price n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > stop attacking me and i will n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:49 ] Herr Ziell > guns are off n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:50 ] Herr Ziell > pay n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:37 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > call off yoru buddie n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:18 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > THERE n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:34 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf you got your money n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:07 ] Herr Ziell > need more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:23 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i dont have much more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:42 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > come on dude n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:51 ] Herr Ziell > how much more do you have n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:57 ] Herr Ziell > i undervalued your ship n++[ 2012.02.28 00:19:00 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i only had 100mill n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:03 ] Herr Ziell > 100 mil? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:21 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF THAT WILL BREAK ME n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:31 ] Herr Ziell > give me 25mil more to let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:44 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > unlock everything n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:50 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > and stop attacking n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:53 ] Herr Ziell > pay first n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:59 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i did taht and you lied n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how can i even trust you man n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:13 ] Herr Ziell > the first ransom is to see if you will pay, the second is a valued contract n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:31 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > **** it take the ship
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Magoo FluxinHertz
The Biggest Losers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:19:00 -
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so yes i was wrong it wsnt 60 mi more it was 25 m more my bad but there is the chat log as pulled from C:\Documents and Settings\*yourusername*\Documents\EVE\logs\Chatlogs Private_Chat_(Herr_Ziell)_20120228_001428 |
Lahnea
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:19:00 -
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Oddly enough, I was about to post saying that from an objective view, the pirate seemed to be more legitimate. Just goes to show you cannot judge a book by its cover.
Please honour ransoms, or they will dry up and never be paid. |
Naj Panora
Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:27:00 -
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When I get home tonight I will post the log from my alt that was trying to negotiate Magoo's release after the ransom was paid.
By the way why does the pirate seem more legit? |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:12:00 -
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2012.02.28 00:14:34 ] Herr Ziell > pay me and ill let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:04 ] Herr Ziell > or do you want to lose your 30 mil ship n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:10 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how much n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:17 ] Herr Ziell > i think 40mil is a fair price considering rigs and mods n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > stop attacking me and i will n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:49 ] Herr Ziell > guns are off n++[ 2012.02.28 00:15:50 ] Herr Ziell > pay n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:37 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf n++[ 2012.02.28 00:16:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > call off yoru buddie n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:18 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > THERE n++[ 2012.02.28 00:17:34 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > wtf you got your money n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:07 ] Herr Ziell > you only paid half n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:23 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:40 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i dont have much more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:42 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > come on dude n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:51 ] Herr Ziell > how much more do you have n++[ 2012.02.28 00:18:54 ] Herr Ziell > you didn't pay the full 40m n++[ 2012.02.28 00:19:00 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i only had 100mill n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:03 ] Herr Ziell > 100 mil? You have plenty then. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:21 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > WTF THAT WILL BREAK ME n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:31 ] Herr Ziell > give me 20mil more to let you go n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:44 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > unlock everything n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:50 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > and stop attacking n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:53 ] Herr Ziell > pay first n++[ 2012.02.28 00:20:59 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > i did taht and you lied [ 2012.02.28 00:21:03 ] Herr Ziell > you didn't pay the full amount what do you mean i lied? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:38 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > how can i even trust you man n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:13 ] Herr Ziell > You only gave me half dude, I said 40m. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:31 ] Magoo FluxinHertz > **** it take the ship
These are my chat logs pulled from my eve files, but believe what you will. C:\Users\MC\Documents\EVE\logs\Chatlogs Private_Chat_(Magoo_FluxinHertz)_20120228_001428 |
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Biggest Losers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:31:00 -
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Screen shot showing the file and its attributes and if you look at the attributes the created modified and accessed dates all correspond with an unedited unaltered copy http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/855/everansome.png/ |
Magoo FluxinHertz
The Biggest Losers
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:37:00 -
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im not here to cause problem or to cry unfairly hell im not even really worried about it ship was replaced and ive gone about my gaming. and if it wernt for naj i wouldnt have even bothered with getting into this circus but ill be dammed if imma be called a liar..... a noob yes by all means but i have nothing to hide and nothing to gain from this |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:37:00 -
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Here is my screenshot showing attributes and information of the file:
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/577/chatloge.png/
I don't know what you are getting at or why you are trying so hard to slander me, please stop it. As you have said you've moved on, it is obvious that what you are posting is fabricated and edited. |
Immortis Vexx
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
0
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:00:00 -
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OK, the shenanigans have gone on long enough. There is simply no way to confirm who is telling the truth on this one. So here is what I vote happens.
Ziell - Continue your pirate activity, please try to honor all ransoms in the future w/o fuss
OP & Magoo - If you are going to pay a ransom pay the full amount and don't play with the pirates!
Vexx |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:01:00 -
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Agreed. Fly safe and see you all out there. |
Naj Panora
Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:44:00 -
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Channel ID: -28730908 Channel Name: Private Chat (Private Chat) Listener: Calori Demitri Session started: 2012.02.28 00:21:35
n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:41 ] Herr Ziell > hi? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:45 ] Calori Demitri > let him go he paid ur ransom n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:54 ] Herr Ziell > i undervalued his ship by far n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:57 ] Herr Ziell > the ship alone is worth 36 mil n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:15 ] Calori Demitri > doesnt matter he met ur demand n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:34 ] Herr Ziell > he needs to pay the second half n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:25 ] Calori Demitri > second half was demanded after the first half was paid which was what u told him he had to pay to be released n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:40 ] Herr Ziell > he can either pay or be blown up n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:09 ] Calori Demitri > and after he pays how does he know u arent gonna demand more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:30 ] Herr Ziell > if i demand more it exceeds the value of his ship and is pointless n++[ 2012.02.28 00:25:08 ] Calori Demitri > exept you have all the money at that point
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Naj Panora
Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:45:00 -
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So that is 2 chat logs saying he didn't release Magoo after the first ransom was paid and demanded more money.
*BTW we aren't trying to slander your name we just don't like people who lie. Your doing a great job making yourself look bad. |
Immortis Vexx
Lupus Draconis Dragehund
0
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:56:00 -
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Naj Panora wrote:So that is 2 chat logs saying he didn't release Magoo after the first ransom was paid and demanded more money.
*BTW we aren't trying to slander your name we just don't like people who lie. Your doing a great job making yourself look bad.
Naj - Chat logs have NO credibility imho. Look dude, I hate to say this but, that's enough. I could post in here that I had a conversation with a GM about EVE imploding on itself but would anyone be inclined to believe? No. Why? Because I am an idiot. Which is exactly what you are doing. I don't even think chat logs are supposed to be posted here for that very reason. I understand that you are super heated about this. In the grand scheme of things we are only talking about 30 mil. Go do a few level 3/4 missions and you got it back, congrats.
Vexx |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.01 00:57:00 -
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Channel ID: -28730908 Channel Name: Private Chat (Calori Demitri) Listener: Herr Ziel Session started: 2012.02.28 00:21:35
n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:41 ] Herr Ziell > hi? n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:45 ] Calori Demitri > let him go he paid ur ransom n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:54 ] Herr Ziell > He hasn't paid the full 40m n++[ 2012.02.28 00:21:57 ] Herr Ziell > the ship alone is worth 36 mil alone, 40m is a small price to pay. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:15 ] Calori Demitri > doesnt matter he met ur demand n++[ 2012.02.28 00:22:34 ] Herr Ziell > he needs to pay the second half of the 40m, he only paid 20m. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:25 ] Calori Demitri > second half was demanded after the first half was paid which was what u told him he had to pay to be released n++[ 2012.02.28 00:23:40 ] Herr Ziell > I don't know what you are talking about, he can either pay or be blown up. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:09 ] Calori Demitri > and after he pays how does he know u arent gonna demand more n++[ 2012.02.28 00:24:30 ] Herr Ziell > if i demand more it exceeds the value of his ship and is pointless, all I want is the second 20m. n++[ 2012.02.28 00:25:08 ] Calori Demitri > exept you have all the money at that point |
Garven Dreis
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
6
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Posted - 2012.03.01 01:16:00 -
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Ransom tears are best tears |
Ares Renton
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
29
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Posted - 2012.03.01 01:21:00 -
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Naj Panora wrote:We could use a list of honorable pirates so players could have easy access to who can be trusted.
I'll be sure to consult it if I ever get ransomed. |
Naj Panora
Homless Nomads The Paganism Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.03.01 01:32:00 -
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Wow you can edit your log. Again I don't see anyone stepping up to the plate for you. |
Herr Ziell
Count With Teddy Mercenaries Stay Calm Don't Panic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.01 03:02:00 -
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The only person "stepping up" for you is your corpmate, the guy that got destroyed. This thread has really gone on long enough with you two trying to fabricate details of things that never happened. I asked for a full ransom of 40m, he only paid half, he got blown up.
See you in space, good luck and thanks for the tears. |
PredalienPlush Chester
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.03.01 06:11:00 -
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confirming chat logs can't be edited with notepad and an IQ of 6
also
nice tears |
CatreX Nolen
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2012.03.01 07:29:00 -
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Herr Ziell wrote:The only person "stepping up" for you is your corpmate, the guy that got destroyed. This thread has really gone on long enough with you two trying to fabricate details of things that never happened. I asked for a full ransom of 40m, he only paid half, he got blown up.
See you in space, good luck and thanks for the tears.
It's really funny how the pirate is more legit than the guy who got his ship blown up.
GG Pirate, keep it up :D
(Has a feeling ill encounter you eventually) |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1629
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Posted - 2012.03.01 12:23:00 -
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Am I right in thinking that you believe paying half of something is as good as paying in full? It's not a dishonoured ransom if you don't actually pay the agreed amount. (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
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