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Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:09:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Again, how will my solution put "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"?
Capital pilots are a minority and simply adding more caps means the huge bulk that cant fly them are reduced to nothing more than a meat sheild. It also means that the big 4 will simply blob them up so that not only do they have the titans to wipe out anything a small alliance could bring but would also mean they wouldnt attack eachother. Result? The same stagnation we saw with the supercarriers for a year and a half before the NC folded only this time, nobody will be stupid enough to sell capitals to the enemy. If we go with EAF however every alliance can take part, newer players are made important for a fleet which is good for them and we avoid our virsion of the coldwar stockpiling of nukes that will never get used for fear of getting nuked themselves. The other upside being that currently useless ships become wanted. How small do you think that minority is Baltec, with almost 11.000 active characters in game with more than 100 million skillpoints? And again you refuse to answer my question. Probably because even in your simple mind you see that you have no ******* argument. Perhaps if you read what I type you might see it.
Oh I have read it. But you still dont answer how battles involving 80% subcaps in a meaningful rock-paper-scissors environment would leave "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever" |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2532
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:11:00 -
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gonna just link some stuff here to prove my point: http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/archive/t-492169.html (titan + sc nerf in revII)
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Eve_Expansions#Revelations_II (revelations II added all the things grath insists it did not, and nerfed the remote dd)
http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Patch ( Bubbles can affect EW immune ships (like Titans and Motherships) remote Titan DDD ability removed)
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:12:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
See this is where your liitle theory falls apart, we have dropped suicide dreads. We scored one kill for a decimated fleet.
Actually goons have admitted that but for a really bad bounce on jump in, they'd have killed more.
Hence why this tactic cant work. It is also not a tactic most alliances can use because they simply do not have the cash flow or the numbers for this kind of warfare. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:12:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote: You keep talking about how bad titans are against small allianses.... but not talking about how bad a blob of goons & co are against the same ppl.... Just say it.... Supers are in your way for nullsec dominance
Grath Telkin wrote:Goons and the CFC are making a massive push to get people into titans right now, their industry is literally churning them out and an amazing speed, as well as dreads. Aww man, the secret it is out, we'll mass titans and win whether or not they get nerfed. Your SPAIs, sir, are good at their job.
Still, I'm sure a lot of CFC pilots would love to play Never Log in Titan Alt online, so nerfs are a-ok as well. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2532
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:12:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
See this is where your liitle theory falls apart, we have dropped suicide dreads. We scored one kill for a decimated fleet.
Actually goons have admitted that but for a really bad bounce on jump in, they'd have killed more. but for a thing that happens every time you use dreads, dreads would be more effective |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:14:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Oh I have read it. But you still dont answer how battles involving 80% subcaps in a meaningful rock-paper-scissors environment would leave "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"
Because the titan blob rips them apart?
Or if you use your new capitals blueballs.
This also means when fighting a defence you become invincible. |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
426
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:16:00 -
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Quote:[20:07] GrathTelkin- somebody answer a riddle for me [20:08] GrathTelkin- was there ever a time [20:08] GrathTelkin- titans couldn't be tackled [20:08] NeVeH- yes [20:08] NeVeH- and MS [20:08] GrathTelkin- well ****
WEASELIOR WINS, I was wrong, evidently at some point motherships were indeed not tacklable.
In the words of your father on the day of your birth:
Welp, can't win em all.
Weaselior wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
See this is where your liitle theory falls apart, we have dropped suicide dreads. We scored one kill for a decimated fleet.
Actually goons have admitted that but for a really bad bounce on jump in, they'd have killed more. but for a thing that happens every time you use dreads, dreads would be more effective
It happens to supers every time they jump in too, we'll let you know when we find a way to make that part of the suck stop. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:17:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Tore Vest wrote: You keep talking about how bad titans are against small allianses.... but not talking about how bad a blob of goons & co are against the same ppl.... Just say it.... Supers are in your way for nullsec dominance Grath Telkin wrote:Goons and the CFC are making a massive push to get people into titans right now, their industry is literally churning them out and an amazing speed, as well as dreads. Aww man, the secret it is out, we'll mass titans and win whether or not they get nerfed. Your SPAIs, sir, are good at their job. Still, I'm sure a lot of CFC pilots would love to play Never Log in Titan Alt online, so nerfs are a-ok as well.
I wonder if the calls for nerfs will get louder when we drop 200 titans on everything. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
414
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Oh I have read it. But you still dont answer how battles involving 80% subcaps in a meaningful rock-paper-scissors environment would leave "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"
Because the titan blob rips them apart? Or if you use your new capitals blueballs. This also means when fighting a defence you become invincible.
Lol. yeah I see you have decided to design a fail system. In that case, you will of course be right. Personally, I trust CCP to do a better job at it. |
Tore Vest
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Because the titan blob rips them apart?
Or if you use your new capitals blueballs.
This also means when fighting a defence you become invincible.
Stop that invincible bullshit.... no ship in eve is invincible
A real highsec carebear. |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2532
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:21:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Quote:[20:07] GrathTelkin- somebody answer a riddle for me [20:08] GrathTelkin- was there ever a time [20:08] GrathTelkin- titans couldn't be tackled [20:08] NeVeH- yes [20:08] NeVeH- and MS [20:08] GrathTelkin- well **** WEASELIOR WINS, I was wrong, evidently at some point motherships were indeed not tacklable. In the words of your father on the day of your birth: Welp, can't win em all. this was where the "neuting bumping battleships" quote was from: a ccp dev literally suggested that how you would catch and kill a titan was a fleet of battleships neuting it so it couldn't jump out, bumping it so it couldn't warp out |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
426
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:21:00 -
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To make Weaselior happier, evidently all of our IRC remembers when they couldn't be tackled except me:
Quote:[20:08] karttoon- Couldn't be bubbled [20:08] karttoon- You could only bump them [20:08] karttoon- Which was easier |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2532
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:21:00 -
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one of the great moments in ccp design history |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:23:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Oh I have read it. But you still dont answer how battles involving 80% subcaps in a meaningful rock-paper-scissors environment would leave "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"
Because the titan blob rips them apart? Or if you use your new capitals blueballs. This also means when fighting a defence you become invincible. Lol. yeah I see you have decided to design a fail system. In that case, you will of course be right. Personally, I trust CCP to do a better job at it.
Hence why they are working on titan tracking. Seems they want the rest of the ships in eve to matter. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
415
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Oh I have read it. But you still dont answer how battles involving 80% subcaps in a meaningful rock-paper-scissors environment would leave "the VAST bulk of people having no say what-so-ever"
Because the titan blob rips them apart? Or if you use your new capitals blueballs. This also means when fighting a defence you become invincible. Lol. yeah I see you have decided to design a fail system. In that case, you will of course be right. Personally, I trust CCP to do a better job at it. Hence why they are working on titan tracking. Seems they want the rest of the ships in eve to matter.
Good to have your very own T20, isnt it? |
baltec1
736
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:31:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Good to have your very own T20, isnt it?
Its almost as if you are a titan pilot, bitter about losing god mode and having to put some thought into combat. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:35:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Good to have your very own T20, isnt it?
Its almost as if you are a titan pilot, bitter about losing god mode and having to put some thought into combat.
Trust me. I never had, and will never have a Titan. But what I really hate is for CCP to screw up the strategic balance in EVE by a ill-advised rush-job like that. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:42:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Trust me. I never had, and will never have a Titan. But what I really hate is for CCP to screw up the strategic balance in EVE by a ill-advised rush-job like that.
Well if you put all of your eggs into the FOTM basket you tend to get scrambled by people who go with many different strategies when the nerf arrives. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
415
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Trust me. I never had, and will never have a Titan. But what I really hate is for CCP to screw up the strategic balance in EVE by a ill-advised rush-job like that.
Well if you put all of your eggs into the FOTM basket you tend to get scrambled by people who go with many different strategies when the nerf arrives.
Lol. Dont flatter yourself.
You have ONE strategy. Blobbing. |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
90
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:50:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Good to have your very own T20, isnt it?
Its almost as if you are a titan pilot, bitter about losing god mode and having to put some thought into combat. No, as far as I can tell they just have a different way to fix the problem. Which I agree with more. Ewar frigs do need some serious loving, but making them able to affect titans is not the way to do it (doesn't even make sense since really, a frig simply can't generate enough power to disrupt a titans heavily shielded systems). And if you think about it, it doesn't even take that long to get into a cap - so an EWar Cap wouldn't really discriminate against younger players(especialy if they are already on the capital ship road anyway). Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
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baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 01:56:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Lol. Dont flatter yourself.
You have ONE strategy. Blobbing.
Numbers alone don't win fights. They never have. |
Tore Vest
278
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:01:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Numbers alone don't win fights. They never have.
Ofc not.... but if you have 2-3 times more than your enemy....
A real highsec carebear. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
415
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:04:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Lol. Dont flatter yourself.
You have ONE strategy. Blobbing.
Numbers alone don't win fights. They never have.
Ofc. But now you are down to tactics. Titans alone never win fights either. Not without a sound tactical employment inclding supporting ships (I am sure you are gonna dispute this point but you will be wrong)
But when it comes to STRATEGIES - you have one card in your deck. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:05:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Numbers alone don't win fights. They never have.
Ofc not.... but if you have 2-3 times more than your enemy....
NC outnumbered their enemy 10 to 1 in 6nj and lost. IRC outnumbered ourb little bat corp roam 7 to 1 and while they got us, we killed 4 times as much.
History is littered with blobs getting beaten because they were poorly organised, badly lead and had an abismal fleet comp that their enemy exploited. |
Vaffel Junior
Resilience. Pandemic Legion
88
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:11:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
NC outnumbered their enemy 10 to 1 in 6nj and lost. IRC outnumbered ourb little bat corp roam 7 to 1 and while they got us, we killed 4 times as much.
History is littered with blobs getting beaten because they were poorly organised, badly lead and had an abismal fleet comp that their enemy exploited.
How many of those figths had supers in them ?
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baltec1
736
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:13:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:
Ofc. But now you are down to tactics. Titans alone never win fights either. Not without a sound tactical employment inclding supporting ships (I am sure you are gonna dispute this point but you will be wrong)
But when it comes to STRATEGIES - you have one card in your deck.
You mean like Mr Vee bombing the enemy fleet to weaken then the drakes/canes get in close and the alpha maels target key ships to weaken them further. If you can get intel on who the FC is you pick him off to stop their target calling while the blackbirds jam their logistics and the frigates go after their dictors and get point on a fleeting target.
Yep, Strategies dont ever play any part in our wars |
baltec1
736
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:15:00 -
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Vaffel Junior wrote:baltec1 wrote:
NC outnumbered their enemy 10 to 1 in 6nj and lost. IRC outnumbered ourb little bat corp roam 7 to 1 and while they got us, we killed 4 times as much.
History is littered with blobs getting beaten because they were poorly organised, badly lead and had an abismal fleet comp that their enemy exploited.
How many of those figths had supers in them ?
The ones I mentioned? 1.
The rest? very few. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
415
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:18:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Yep, Strategies dont ever play any part in our wars
You keep using this word, but I dont think you understand what it means. |
Tore Vest
278
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:20:00 -
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I will be sad that day we only see drakes and bombers in a big figth.... but... That day will come.... A real highsec carebear. |
Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
90
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:21:00 -
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Reilly Duvolle wrote:baltec1 wrote:Yep, Strategies dont ever play any part in our wars You keep using this word, but I dont think you understand what it means. You are talking abouth how to fight and win battles. That is tactics. Not strategies. Strategy vs Tactics Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
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