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Angel Lust
Vikinghall
35
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:27:00 -
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I wonder what Soundwave will do when goons fields 3000 maels... and noone can kill them.... |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
670
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:32:00 -
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Sip his coffee and enjoy the fact that he's getting paid to make imaginary spaceships.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
670
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:33:00 -
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Also I'm pretty sure his bosses will enjoy the fact that it takes 45 000$ of subs/plexes a month to run a theoretical 3000 man alphafleet rather than 2250$ for an hypothetical 150-man titan fleet.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Angel Lust
Vikinghall
35
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:38:00 -
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Krios Ahzek wrote:Also I'm pretty sure his bosses will enjoy the fact that it takes 45 000$ of subs/plexes a month to run a theoretical 3000 man alphafleet rather than 2250$ for an hypothetical 150-man titan fleet.
So... Soundwave + gonns = True then.... ?
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Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
465
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Posted - 2012.02.24 18:48:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Tore Vest wrote:Learn to play eve.... and.. stop crying.. Every decent pilot knows how to not be hit by a titan Really? So when a lone Titan was popping a fleet of BCs all orbiting at the maximum transversal allowed by their guns (AB not MWD), what exactly would your advice be ('run away' doesn't count).
You target the titans sub-system that has his officer tracking enhancers. Once you offline those the titan will be hard pressed to track anything sub-capital.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:43:00 -
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Angel Lust wrote:I wonder what Soundwave will do when goons fields 3000 maels... and noone can kill them.... Don't be silly, we use drakes a lot more now.
It's more like 5 waves of 3000 drakes or something. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:46:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:It isn't good to depend too heavily on a single arm of decision. Though if you have an overpowered arm of decision, you should use it as much as possible while it's overpowered.
It would suck to be an alliance (over)depending heavily on turret titans and they somehow got nerfed just as an angry group of people started throwing dreadnaughts around like they were rifters (in comparison). Good sir, surely you cant be saying that the forces of the anti blue anti coalition coalition rely too much upon titans and have no other plans! Oh ho. Well they have tengufleets, which are very ~elite pvp~ and also provide us with great killmails.
Well surely the fact we only want turret titans nerfed to help us means the democratically elected CSM will definitely stomp the Mittani's well thought out, researched and documented evidence for overpoweredness and subsequent need for nerfs.
Cause we're goons and we always lie.
That said, if dreads are more cost effective now, that can only improve (unless titans actually get buffed, you know). Someday BoB 5.0 (these things take time) won't be so daring to swing their "~elite pvp~ titan blob" in people's faces because a dreadnaught fleet might cut it off. Instead we'll be sieging 200 dreads on a POS and daring them to come save it.
What are they gonna do, nerf dreadnaught tracking even more? Haha .... no wait a sec. Luckily my alt will go for the Phoenix, go go Citadel Cruise Missiles!
Of course people could just make ever more titans, but if we spam dreads the whole problem might be lessened. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1120
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:53:00 -
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Angel HUN wrote:You cannot field supers without support... ALREADY... Fon Revedhort wrote:Most people in EVE use word 'useless' as a bashful euphemism for 'no longer overpowered'.
I, for one, don't see how making supers rely on proper support and screening can be considered as a nerf. It's a boost, as it clearly results in making them much more interesting in terms of gameplay.
Also, sure, they are to be easily killable and vulnerable. That's the whole point. Extra power should always result in extra vulnerability. This principle works just fine for battleships and dreads. The same should be applied to carriers and supers, while atm it's not. This is the current state of Super use.
The problem becomes when you think "35 more titans" is what anyone means by "support"
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:57:00 -
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Feligast wrote:The problem becomes when you think "35 more titans" is what anyone means by "support" Well, I would imagine support would be supercarriers with fighters?
Uh, what am I saying, titans are like 4x more expensive than supercarriers they should be far better because their cost balances them. Silly goon me ! Titans should get big rep bonuses as well as be able to use remote reps and fighters. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1120
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:01:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Feligast wrote:The problem becomes when you think "35 more titans" is what anyone means by "support" Well, I would imagine support would be supercarriers with fighters? Uh, what am I saying, titans are like 4x more expensive than supercarriers they should be far better because their cost balances them. Silly goon me ! Titans should get big rep bonuses as well as be able to use remote reps and fighters.
They should also be dockable and automatically get integrated armor reps because owners paid a lot of botted isk for them and it's not fair to ever nerf them :ohdear: |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1656
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:02:00 -
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Ioci wrote:There is no easy answer to this.
Sure there is but CCP doesn't have the will to do it. Supercarriers and Titans should be removed from the game because they are impossible to balance. Dreads and Carriers are easy to balance and can serve as "end-game" ships for people who feel the need to fly bigger ships.
They would lose a couple hundred players but it would be less painful in the long run for the health of the future of the game.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Kern Walzky
x13 Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:24:00 -
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Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.
Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...
time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...
no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.
and now for more Goon troll and spam. :) |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:27:00 -
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Kern Walzky wrote:Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.
Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...
time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...
no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.
and now for more Goon troll and spam. :)
bawwww you mean you cant drop 40 avatars on a 200 man TEST fleet bawwwwww poor babbi |
Kern Walzky
x13 Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:32:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:Kern Walzky wrote:Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.
Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...
time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...
no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.
and now for more Goon troll and spam. :) bawwww you mean you cant drop 40 avatars on a 200 man TEST fleet bawwwwww poor babbi
No, but 100 subs and 20-40 titans & supercarriers vs 200-300 of your drakes...... start coming in other then mwd shield extended drakes m8t, big as houses :) |
baltec1
696
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:36:00 -
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Kern Walzky wrote:Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.
Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...
time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...
no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.
and now for more Goon troll and spam. :)
You dont want to make ships useless yet you defend a ship that makes everything else useless? |
Kern Walzky
x13 Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kern Walzky wrote:Well if we look past goons spam and troll i think you CCP need to look into your style of "nerf" and look more at big picture.
Making ships useless and not needed is not the way to go, we tried this with Supercarriers and now again with Titan's...
time, skills, isk and risk for making a super capital alone should really make you CCP think about what effect this yet another nerf will have on EVE and in total blobs of drakes... hope you guys are proud... enough drakes and you can do anything...
no need for any capitals or supercapitals anywhere.... hope this is a proud momemt for you CCP.
and now for more Goon troll and spam. :) You dont want to make ships useless yet you defend a ship that makes everything else useless?
if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what.. |
baltec1
696
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:59:00 -
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Kern Walzky wrote:
if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..
Welcome to supercaps online, if you cannot fly one then you are useless and will just die.
Sounds like a fun game. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:07:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:They would lose a couple hundred players but it would be less painful in the long run for the health of the future of the game. THey might lose BoB, and having an ~elite pvp~ contingent is vital to the health of any internet spaceships game. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Kern Walzky
x13 Raiden.
5
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:13:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Kern Walzky wrote:
if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..
Welcome to supercaps online, if you cannot fly one then you are useless and will just die. Sounds like a fun game.
Get your dread m8t capitals is the counter m8t.
i truely hope you have a dream in flying bigger more expensive in the future... you do know if drakes win they are next in ccp's nerf. :)
so i want CCP to look into not making ships useless, but look at the bigger picture.
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baltec1
697
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:24:00 -
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Kern Walzky wrote:baltec1 wrote:Kern Walzky wrote:
if you think you can win eve in drakes your mistaken... you should counter with titans/supercarriers/dreads and then bring drakes aswell... i cant belive you think sub-capitals should always win nomatter what..
Welcome to supercaps online, if you cannot fly one then you are useless and will just die. Sounds like a fun game. Get your dread m8t capitals is the counter m8t. i truely hope you have a dream in flying bigger more expensive in the future... you do know if drakes win they are next in ccp's nerf. :) so i want CCP to look into not making ships useless, but look at the bigger picture.
I am. Have you noticed the lack of new alliances in 0.0? And I dont mean one of the old ones under a new name I mean like Test when they were new.
People cannot make any inroads into 0.0 in the current situation because fights are unwinnable. There are no tactics or fleet comps to counter titans for them. The smaller 0.0 alliances are also suffering because again, no counter available for them. The only power in all of EVE that could field enough dreads to make the difference is the CFC and even then the few hundred dreads would not be expected to survive the fight.
We are lucky in that we can come up with a counter, be it dreadswarm or just building more titans but for the vast bulk of EVE, they're ******. |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The smaller 0.0 alliances are also suffering because again, no counter available for them. The only power in all of EVE that could field enough dreads to make the difference is the CFC and even then the few hundred dreads would not be expected to survive the fight.
We are lucky in that we can come up with a counter, be it dreadswarm or just building more titans but for the vast bulk of EVE, they're ******. Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is.. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
baltec1
703
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:34:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote: Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..
I'm sure we could talk test into it |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:41:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..
I'm sure we could talk test into it I'd give them major "props" if they were indeed to hotdrop 100 dreads into a Raiden. titan blob
I'd also hope the rest of the CFC wouldn't be easily outdone like that. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
935
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote: Yeah, getting 100 or so dreads who are happy to die in their 2bil+ ship is..
I'm sure we could talk test into it
I was told someone was giving out cake in here.
Is tha- oh, is that for me? Only 2b! OKAY! A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Grey Azorria
Viziam Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:46:00 -
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The Economist wrote:Grey Azorria wrote: Really? So when a lone Titan was popping a fleet of BCs all orbiting at the maximum transversal allowed by their guns (AB not MWD), what exactly would your advice be ('run away' doesn't count).
My advice would be stop exaggerating. If, IF; that really was the case then those must've been shield bc's with sigs almost the size of battleships and pilots that massively suck at manageing their range and transversal and/or huginns grabbing them too. In which scenario nothing in any way broken happened. [constructive advice; outrange them/pick setups with smaller sigs/ get better at manageing transversal/use neutralizers/increase speed/use capitals against capitals etc etc etc etc etc] Not exaggerating, no huggins either (possibly sucky pilots though ); It was an RvB teir3 BC roam, most of us were in 'nados or oracles, and we chanced upon a lone Titan that we think had had just bridged a fleet somewhere else. Since we were in it for the lols (and the FC just wanted to be able to say 'Primary is Erebus') we engaged, hictors got points, and we all started orbiting, expecting it to either be brick tanked or for us to be on the wrong end of one helluva hotdrop, neither happened, instead the titan started dropping like a stone, we got it down to 1/3 armour in around 10-15 mins, unfortunatly by that time we had lost all but one hictor and most of our ships. Then the slightly disapointing hotdrop appeared (one Avatar, 3 MOMs and 7 carriers) to finish us off.
Anyway, we assumed the thing pretty much only had officer tracking mods on it (judging by how fast its tank melted), and had a laugh with the pilots in local about how we caught them with their pants down. Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
935
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:52:00 -
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Grey Azorria wrote:Not exaggerating, no huggins either (possibly sucky pilots though ); It was an RvB teir3 BC roam, most of us were in 'nados or oracles, and we chanced upon a lone Titan that we think had had just bridged a fleet somewhere else. Since we were in it for the lols (and the FC just wanted to be able to say 'Primary is Erebus') we engaged, hictors got points, and we all started orbiting, expecting it to either be brick tanked or for us to be on the wrong end of one helluva hotdrop, neither happened, instead the titan started dropping like a stone, we got it down to 1/3 armour in around 10-15 mins, unfortunatly by that time we had lost all but one hictor and most of our ships. Then the slightly disapointing hotdrop appeared (one Avatar, 3 MOMs and 7 carriers) to finish us off. Anyway, we assumed the thing pretty much only had officer tracking mods on it (judging by how fast its tank melted), and had a laugh with the pilots in local about how we caught them with their pants down.
Shhh, you're damaging their narrative of "lol its only goons complaining because they're losing fights, titans are fine!". A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
Glarealot
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:09:00 -
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At this point, Supercaps are the new battleships: http://i.imgur.com/CY6x4.jpg |
Headerman
Quovis Shadow of xXDEATHXx
653
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:51:00 -
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You do realise that for a titan to kill a subcap that ship has to be webbed down a lot, right? The Apostle : I want a kangeroo Captain Kirk : Silly Austrians Sarmatiko : Let me guess: you're from US? Captain Kirk : Yeah Riverside IA - why? |
baltec1
703
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:54:00 -
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Headerman wrote:You do realise that for a titan to kill a subcap that ship has to be webbed down a lot, right?
Wrong. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
938
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:55:00 -
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Headerman wrote:You do realise that for a titan to kill a subcap that ship has to be webbed down a lot, right?
So hard to bring a few Huginns, huh? Its broken. I'd tell you ty try to look past your obvious bias but you're headerman, so I won't waste my time. A vote for Akirei is a vote for Awesome! |
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