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Lina Miaoke
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:09:00 -
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Dear CCP,
We are deaf, we cant understand your trailers, videos, and vlog. Because there is no English subtitles for those videos. I've repeatedly asked this via forums and petitioning countless time across multiple accounts and characters, but never once did it make any difference.
I made a post regarding this back in Nov 2011 and got supports from various pilots. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=332103#post332103
And recently a post in one of CCP devblog that had vlog in it as well. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=844205#post844205
To my surprise a random dude (Hiram Alexander) I've never met before decided to subtitled that vlog for me and the deaf community. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKpxrMG-cWs&feature=share
He didn't stop there, but added yet another video with subtitling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGjs4cSKjEQ&context=C37ad537ADOEgsToPDskK198Zn7BmuM3q6e7xza6o7 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2xuh36Vd4U&context=C37ad537ADOEgsToPDskK198Zn7BmuM3q6e7xza6o7
But he shouldn't have to do your work. If he was able to do it, why cant you?
This wont only benefit the deaf community but also those who don't want to or cant for whatever reason use sound. It might even benefit those who cant understand the accents of the person in the video.
CCP, I am not asking you to subtitle all videos out there but, CCP own trailer, video, and vlog.
Please consider doing this.
Sincerely, The deaf community and all those that could benefit from this. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
80
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:17:00 -
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I'm not deaf myself nor do i need subtitles, but I think CCP should do this.
There are people who cant hear and CCP should make important information aviable to them as well. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
149
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:21:00 -
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Perfectly reasonable request OP.
Hear Hear! |
Arkea Jindoi
Swedish Aerospace Inc The Kadeshi
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:23:00 -
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Wholeheartedly supported. It isn't a hard thing to do, either.
It's actually a bit sad you even have to make a request for such a thing in this modern age. |
Beckie DeLey
Brigade of Guards SpaceMonkey's Alliance
21
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:23:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Hear Hear!
Damn, i wanted to post that.
Instead i'll settle with the suggestion that this request might ... wait for it ... fall on deaf ears. It's The Legendary Extraordinary Me |
Gerald Taric
F-H Schwerindustrie und Sicherheit KRAUTZ-FEDERATION
36
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:32:00 -
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Lina Miaoke wrote:CCP, I am not asking you to subtitle all videos out there but, CCP own trailer, video, and vlog.
Please consider doing this.
Sincerely, The deaf community and all those that could benefit from this. Very reasonable request. I endorse it too. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
339
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:44:00 -
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Lina Miaoke wrote:
But he shouldn't have to do your work. If he was able to do it, why cant you?
Probably because no one puts the needs of a minority in the forefront, unless of course they happen to belong to that minority. I am sure it's not through malice. But now since you've brought it up let's see how CCP reacts to this valid point.
On the other hand look on the bright side - the game itself is perfectly playable without sound. In fact I have no hearing impediment and I haven't had the sound turned on for years - so you're not missing much :) |
tikktokk tokkzikk
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
27
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:54:00 -
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A request from the deaf community. Please hear us out CCP!
But yeah, totally support! |
Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
87
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:55:00 -
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to inject a little more humor (but no disrespect intended) I have to add.....
Eve has sound?
Now I've got that out of my system, I fully support this idea.
A little thing like this can go a long way not only to makea better gaming experience for deaf players, but it would also generate a fair bit of goodwill among the playerbase and wider gaming industry.
Jint Hikaru - Miner / Salvager / Explorer / SpaceBum In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
2644
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:58:00 -
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CCP, subtitle it! (I'm sure there will be a few native english speaker that would use them too since our Nordic accent isn't always the best haha)
/c
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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1386
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:19:00 -
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Yep needs doing.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Lutin Ballista
Ballista Investment Corp
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:42:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:I'm not deaf myself nor do i need subtitles, but I think CCP should do this.
There are people who cant hear and CCP should make important information aviable to them as well.
Agreed. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
70
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:51:00 -
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I completely agree, open the game up to more people with disabilities CCP (as long as the disability isn't "I used to play wow" or "I'm stupid, why I no mine in peace" |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2196
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:55:00 -
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EVE has no end of accessibility issues, but this requires minimal extra effort on CCP's part. I fully support this. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Razzor Death
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:57:00 -
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I am blind and was told about this thread, please could you add braille to your videos to help the blind community.
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Willmahh
Ace Adventure Corp Blue Meanies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:57:00 -
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I also Think this would be good for a number of players and CCP. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
154
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:59:00 -
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Razzor Death wrote:I am blind and was told about this thread, please could you add braille to your videos to help the blind community.
Congrats, you're 'that guy' in this thread. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1099
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:01:00 -
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I have a friend who is hearing impaired that had this same complaint about EvE's video's. He always likes watching them but rarely has any idea that there is something else going on in the video.
Any chance of getting a CSM member to chime in some support and perhaps take this up at Fanfest or at least recommend it to CCP? EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
70
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:02:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Razzor Death wrote:I am blind and was told about this thread, please could you add braille to your videos to help the blind community.
Congrats, you're 'that guy' in this thread.
click name, hide post, win
:D |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
750
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:09:00 -
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Deafness should not be a bar to enjoying Eve.
Sort it out CCP. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
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Steve Celeste
Wolfsbrigade
206
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:13:00 -
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Just use the transcribe audio option, the eve trailers don't make sense anyway. |
Caroline Grace
Almost Approved
4
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:16:00 -
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I strongly support this. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
1019
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:16:00 -
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I'll do you one better: don't make us watch videos. I can hear, but I hate sitting through podcasts and vlogs and other such media trying to get two minutes of useful information out of 30 minutes of someone's babbling. NEVER put information only in video or audio format. It's not searchable and frankly it's annoying. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
1019
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:17:00 -
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Steve Celeste wrote:Just use the transcribe audio option, the eve trailers don't make sense anyway. They're actually quite funny when you use this. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:26:00 -
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Am I the only person who read the OP and was unable to understand it due to "hearing" it in deaf-guy voice in their head?
Can someone who hasn't admitted to being deaf repost it. I have the terrible disabilty of reading things posted by people in what my subconscious assumes their voice to be like. I think CCP should implement something to help people like me, I'm being marginalized here. |
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CCP Paradox
107
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:39:00 -
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Poking the right people for you! CCP Paradox | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Super Friends @CCP_Paradox |
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Cylide Askald
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
8
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:46:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Poking the right people for you!
\o/ I'm running for CSM: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=836203&#post836203 |
Merlin Centarii
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:14:00 -
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Cylide Askald wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Poking the right people for you! \o/
Get'er done. I fully support this having had a hearing impaired person in my corp. best damn scout i've ever had. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
1020
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:41:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Am I the only person who read the OP and was unable to understand it due to "hearing" it in deaf-guy voice in their head?
Can someone who hasn't admitted to being deaf repost it. I have the terrible disabilty of reading things posted by people in what my subconscious assumes their voice to be like. I think CCP should implement something to help people like me, I'm being marginalized here.
I see your problem. It's that Goonwaffe tag. Get that removed, it'll probably clear right up!
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Indeterminacy
THORN Syndicate Initiative Mercenaries
46
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:48:00 -
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Lina Miaoke wrote:
A request from the deaf community. Please hear us out CCP!
Seriously? |
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2894
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:55:00 -
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I heard that something was going down in this thread, and I'm all ears to hear what it is.
---- CONCORD arrested two n00bs yesterday, one was drinking battery acid, the other was eating fireworks. They charged one and let the other one off. |
Frogzuk
Genesis Nation Gentlemen's Agreement
4
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Posted - 2012.02.24 17:08:00 -
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being deaf i fully support this thread....
i would also like to point out that there was a competition once, that i was not able to 'access' to stand a chance of winning the prizes due to my inability to hear .....
I have flown with many pilots in the game that have been incredibly understanding of my disability - you guys and girls know who you are <3 you all, whilst there remains a few that have not shown the same level of understanding - testament is the post earlier in this thread 'i am blind need braille' you sir are a sorry state of affairs, and I can only hope CCP see fit to put you in your place for trying to be a smart arse when on the contrary you were being a naive at best and ignorant at worse ....
I have even been called a r.e.tard for not being able to hear ...... yes .. well ... go figure |
Yesen
The Ostrogoths Curatores Veritatis Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 04:23:00 -
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Hello, I'm deaf myself, I totally support his requested. There's more deaf folks in eve that needs understandable through vlogs, videos, etc... Let's bring back the subtitles :) |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1268
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Posted - 2012.02.25 06:09:00 -
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I will probably be deaf someday from all the shooting I do...
Next challenge: EvE Online for the Blind.
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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
267
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Posted - 2012.02.25 09:30:00 -
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FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:I'll do you one better: don't make us watch videos. I can hear, but I hate sitting through podcasts and vlogs and other such media trying to get two minutes of useful information out of 30 minutes of someone's babbling. NEVER put information only in video or audio format. It's not searchable and frankly it's annoying.
Agree. Devblog > all.
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:Steve Celeste wrote:Just use the transcribe audio option, the eve trailers don't make sense anyway. They're actually quite funny when you use this.
And not when viewed 'normally'? this is a signature |
Steveir
Hagukure Empire Industry
31
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Posted - 2012.02.25 09:46:00 -
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Trust me, as you get older, it becomes harder to hear thing clearly (too much rock as a youngster). I love that MMOs (and Eve) allow you to communicate via typing - long may it last. Nothing depress me more than players saying to get on teamspeak (yes I know it makes for faster and better PvP/PVE).
Aside from subtitling, I hope CCP is checking to make sure that colour blindness issues are looked at too. |
Kehro Urgus
142
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Posted - 2012.02.25 09:58:00 -
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The first thing to go is the eyes. I'll be 44 next month and for the past few yeears I've had to deal with ocular migraines. Hard to play when you go blind in one eye at random times for an hour or so. I hear voices and they don't like you very much! |
Arklan1
Dunedain Rangers WUT ALLIANCE
16
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Posted - 2012.02.25 10:04:00 -
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totally agreeing with this. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
390
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Posted - 2012.02.25 10:15:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:Perfectly reasonable request OP.
Hear Hear! You're heartless.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
29
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Posted - 2012.02.25 10:34:00 -
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CCP Paradox wrote:Poking the right people for you!
Good good. I'm not deaf myself but I do understand the problem. |
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Pyx Jasta
104th Ranger Mobile Combat Regiment Insane Asylum
40
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Posted - 2012.02.25 10:50:00 -
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This is a good request. Also kudos to Hiram Alexander for having subtitled many of them to now. |
Valei Khurelem
384
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Posted - 2012.02.25 10:54:00 -
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Sirinda wrote:CCP Paradox wrote:Poking the right people for you! Good good. I'm not deaf myself but I do understand the problem.
If only there were more open minded and understanding people on the forum like you :)
Seriously not a troll, I'm getting bored of the retards here.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Sirinda
Offworld Miners and Fabricators Guild
30
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Posted - 2012.02.25 11:10:00 -
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I only troll people who deserve it, and only if I can be arsed to do it. Mostly I'm just too apathetic to care about their antics, though. |
JamDunc
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
5
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Posted - 2012.02.25 11:30:00 -
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Can't see why this shouldn't be done. |
PointSlap
One For A Point Two For A Slap The Nest Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 12:12:00 -
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I do agree with the OP but i would however point out that it is not there job to provide subtitles on videos for the Minority.
Unfortunatley in this day and age that is the way things stand. Do not get me wrong, i do agree with you, as it really doesnt take much effort but they have no legal obligation to do it.
But i wish u the best of luck |
Frogzuk
Genesis Nation Gentlemen's Agreement
6
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Posted - 2012.02.25 13:58:00 -
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PointSlap wrote:I do agree with the OP but i would however point out that it is not there job to provide subtitles on videos for the Minority.
Unfortunatley in this day and age that is the way things stand. Do not get me wrong, i do agree with you, as it really doesnt take much effort but they have no legal obligation to do it.
But i wish u the best of luck
Under UK law, all business' must make their services accessible by those with disabilities (Disability discrimination act applies), now there is a grey area when it comes to 'web content', however, I understand there are guidelines in place for web content and accessibility to those with disabilities i.e. In 1999 the Web Accessibility Initiative, a project by the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), published the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines WCAG 1.0. In recent years, these have been widely accepted as the definitive guidelines on how to create accessible websites see linkie :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Accessibility_Initiative
If CCP are providing content within their web pages akin to videos then at the minimum they need to consider those guidelines. By doing so, it would enhance their reputation for supporting what is a minor request for a small minority of players in the environment ... the value added far outweighs any legal obligations tbfh !
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2012.02.25 14:55:00 -
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I can get behind this idea myself, while not deaf myself I do sometimes struggle to understand the amusingly accented english in some of the CCP videos. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. |
Valei Khurelem
384
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Posted - 2012.02.25 15:20:00 -
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Quote:Unfortunatley in this day and age that is the way things stand.
Those are the words of a feckless tool.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
killroy Atram
EVE Protection Agency Intrepid Crossing
5
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Posted - 2012.02.25 17:34:00 -
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the OP should run for csm |
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CCP Loxy
C C P C C P Alliance
42
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:07:00 -
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I can only speak for the Eve trailers on youtube, but I'll make sure they'll have English subs along with our other supported languages from now on. Video Producer |
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Swinefluu
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 18:46:00 -
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Also braille for the blind community |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
741
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:03:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:I can only speak for the Eve trailers on youtube, but I'll make sure they'll have English subs along with our other supported languages from now on. Does this include Klingon? 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Mara Villoso
Big Box
63
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Posted - 2012.02.25 19:41:00 -
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PointSlap wrote:I do agree with the OP but i would however point out that it is not there job to provide subtitles on videos for the Minority.
Unfortunatley in this day and age that is the way things stand. Do not get me wrong, i do agree with you, as it really doesnt take much effort but they have no legal obligation to do it.
But i wish u the best of luck By that logic its not their job to provide localized clients or any content in any language other than Mandarin Chinese (or Spanish). But you know those damn Americans and their ******* English. Damn minorities and their demands. |
Feligast
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1126
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Posted - 2012.02.25 20:21:00 -
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Mara Villoso wrote:PointSlap wrote:I do agree with the OP but i would however point out that it is not there job to provide subtitles on videos for the Minority.
Unfortunatley in this day and age that is the way things stand. Do not get me wrong, i do agree with you, as it really doesnt take much effort but they have no legal obligation to do it.
But i wish u the best of luck By that logic its not their job to provide localized clients or any content in any language other than Mandarin Chinese (or Spanish). But you know those damn Americans and their ******* English. Damn minorities and their demands.
I think the issue here is confusing the concepts of "obligation" and "just good business". No, CCP is NOT obligated to provide localization in your language, majority or otherwise.. but it would be a poor business decision not to. Same in this case.. they are not obligated to subtitle their vids, but it's a good idea to do so.
I'm glad they're going to subtitle the vids.. I know at least 2 Goons that are deaf, and they're p chill. |
Marlona Sky
EntroPrelatial Vanguard EntroPraetorian Aegis
471
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Posted - 2012.02.25 20:26:00 -
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Swinefluu wrote:Also braille for the blind community
Don't be a ****.
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Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
587
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Posted - 2012.02.25 23:06:00 -
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Lina Miaoke wrote:
We are deaf, we cant understand your trailers, videos, and vlog. Because there is no English subtitles for those videos.
HTFU
Yeah yeah I'm going to hell.
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Brynhilda
Massive PVPness EntroPraetorian Aegis
81
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Posted - 2012.02.26 01:43:00 -
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I approve of this service for I, too, am hearing impaired.
I already struggle to hear my FC. How do you think I can hear your trailers with all that background noise? How may I drug you with drugs? |
Dersk
90040045
37
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Posted - 2012.02.26 01:50:00 -
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In space no one can hear your youtube videos. |
Kriz Lupin
The Scope Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.26 02:01:00 -
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When I first started playing this game I had the pleasure of flying with a very competent deaf female pilot. Various people took the time to communicate voice comms as quickly as possible to private chat in pvp situations. There is no reason why ccp can't take the time to try to be supportive too and I am sure they will. |
Hiram Alexander
Seraphim Securities
156
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Posted - 2012.02.26 05:17:00 -
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CCP Loxy wrote:I can only speak for the Eve trailers on youtube, but I'll make sure they'll have English subs along with our other supported languages from now on. Nice move. Thank you.
Edit: - Oh, and a big thanks to kil2 for permission to use his videos.
I've sent a request to Agony Unleashed, also... but pending permission, here's their video on Tracking in PVP, and Spiralling-in... (Just uploaded/Stolen...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvfhVXbMgc8 |
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
976
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Posted - 2012.02.26 05:25:00 -
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English subtitles will also be useful for those of us watching in noisy environments, or environments where being quiet is necessary.
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
60
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Posted - 2012.02.26 07:23:00 -
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God people need to cry so much...
blah blah I can't hear let me cry and say everyone should take the time to do something for me.
Idk whats more sick, people crying about this or the fact others think that this should have been done in the first place. |
Jada Maroo
Mysterium Astrometrics
589
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Posted - 2012.02.26 07:29:00 -
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While we're at it can we get English subtitles for mumbly Brits speaking "English" on comms? |
Frogzuk
Genesis Nation Gentlemen's Agreement
8
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Posted - 2012.02.26 09:59:00 -
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supersexysucker wrote:God people need to cry so much...
blah blah I can't hear let me cry and say everyone should take the time to do something for me.
Idk whats more sick, people crying about this or the fact others think that this should have been done in the first place.
you are an example of the ignorance in game and in rl that i despise .... i do hope that one day karma does smack you between the eyes should you have to deal with a disability in your own life .... ******* moron ... lets hope you get a perma ban for being such a arrogant **** |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries
9
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Posted - 2012.02.26 12:12:00 -
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Please hear us out... Ahahaha, it's a deaf pun! |
Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
146
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Posted - 2012.02.26 15:30:00 -
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TheBreadMuncher wrote:Please hear us out... Ahahaha, it's a deaf pun! Ha ha ha! I read the thread title and pictured a bunch of deaf guys speaking. Oh, priceless.
BTW I didn't know EvE even had sound.
Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Ryker Struvian
EVE Protection Agency Intrepid Crossing
0
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Posted - 2012.02.27 06:41:00 -
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Nothing special here, but I just wanted to add my support on this move for subtitles / colorblindness. EVE should be fun and accessible for everyone. And for people who have been making jokes about people with disabilities, you won't think it's funny when you end up possibly deaf/blind/etc. |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
530
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Posted - 2012.02.27 08:42:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Deafness should not be a bar to enjoying Eve.
Sort it out CCP.
Aye, Aye! - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
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