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Parthonax
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:38:00 -
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Andski wrote:testobjekt wrote:To protect new players against scams, i would like for CCP to implement a giant red warning to be mailed to new accounts reading: "TRUST NOONE, especially goons" fyp (I don't trust goons myself HEH) (except the mittani, the biggest egocentric liar in eve) corrected that for you so this is permanence |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2196
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:39:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right?
Correct, they'll be punished with the burden of having your ISK/assets. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Killiana Lett
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:39:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right?
No, no you do not. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1193
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:40:00 -
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Here's some cheese to go with all the whine in this thread.
How hilarious.
Bucket loads of testy goonie tears.
CCP needs to throw some glue on this thread.
There's just way too much 'waaa waaa waaa' to mop up.
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Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:40:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right? You have really bad reading comprehension skills. I don't see how he could've made it any more clear. P.S. Your posting stinks.
Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Killiana Lett
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:42:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:
Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said.
You're*
Also, he was right about your reading comprehension skills and bad posting. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:45:00 -
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Killiana Lett wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:
Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said.
You're* Also, he was right about your reading comprehension skills and bad posting.
You're quite correct about you're. Still a goon though. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2196
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:47:00 -
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Why would a senior GM not be explicit about such a thing? Subtly implying it will end up with him getting swamped with escalations when things go wrong - if using the channel to find people to scam was not allowed, he wouldn't hint towards it, he'd be very clear about it. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1099
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:55:00 -
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0/10 for the blantantly obvious troll. 1/10 for making people fall for it. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:01:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Triskian wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right? You have really bad reading comprehension skills. I don't see how he could've made it any more clear. P.S. Your posting stinks. Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said.
That's prejudice, you sir are not only a bad poster, but racist against Goons. Even when they're trying to help you by giving you constructive criticism and making a subtle suggestion you reread the post you resort to stereotyping me simply because of what I am. |
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:04:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified.
GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does.
Can you please answer the petition I have regarding this? |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:08:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Triskian wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:[quote=GM Spiral]Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right? Your a goon. Goons have trouble with subtleties. Enough said. That's prejudice, you sir are not only a bad poster, but racist against Goons. Even when they're trying to help you by giving you constructive criticism and making a subtle suggestion you reread the post you resort to stereotyping me simply because of what I am.
I am a racist against Goons. Not against EULA though.....
Andski says I have it right, and Killiana Lett says I do not. Not going to trust goons anyways, so still seaking a GM clarification.
I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:19:00 -
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Scammer A posts in Recruitment channel looking for people to "join" his corp for the opportunity of a lifetime. Mark B gets scammed by Scammer A. Mark B reports Scammer A. Mark B gets told "tough luck" by CCP. Scammer A gets punished by CCP for posting "off topic" in the channel, we'll say this punishment is a ban from the channel (which is a likely outcome). Scammer A gets to keep what he scammed but is unable to find more marks in the channel.
How hard is this to understand? |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:27:00 -
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Triskian wrote:Scammer A posts in Recruitment channel looking for people to "join" his corp for the opportunity of a lifetime. Mark B gets scammed by Scammer A. Mark B reports Scammer A. Mark B gets told "tough luck" by CCP. Scammer A gets punished by CCP for posting "off topic" in the channel, we'll say this punishment is a ban from the channel (which is a likely outcome). Scammer A gets to keep what he scammed but is unable to find more marks in the channel.
How hard is this to understand?
Now could a GM say this please. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
83
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:38:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Triskian wrote:Scammer A posts in Recruitment channel looking for people to "join" his corp for the opportunity of a lifetime. Mark B gets scammed by Scammer A. Mark B reports Scammer A. Mark B gets told "tough luck" by CCP. Scammer A gets punished by CCP for posting "off topic" in the channel, we'll say this punishment is a ban from the channel (which is a likely outcome). Scammer A gets to keep what he scammed but is unable to find more marks in the channel.
How hard is this to understand? Now could a GM say this please.
I believe GMs have more important tasks then helping you understand basic english. Maybe ask your teacher ? |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:57:00 -
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This is a pretty good thread. I like when pubbies don't get what they want. It just proves that goons still control Eve because of CCP Sreegs having formerly been their CEO and Mittani and him being very very very very close friends. Sorry pubbies but you need to learn that this is a goon game first and then a mining simulator second.
Pubbies keep your eyes out for a bigger scandal than the T20 one to happen soon... Mark my words. This rabbit hole goes super super deep. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
340
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:02:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve .
LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. |
Krios Ahzek
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
670
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:02:00 -
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I don't understand this thread. Goons don't scam.
-áThough All Men Do Despise Us |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:03:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that.
Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
86
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:05:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull?
There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this. |
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Rachel Rose
Heroes of the Past Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:08:00 -
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NEVER compromise the sandbox
Edit: GM Spiral to the rescue!, Eve Hero |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:11:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this.
Except it's not clear.
People using the channel need to know if they can be scammed or not. A GM telling them that recruitment scams are not allowed, but then when they do get scammed it's tough luck, is only mudding the waters.
If something happens that is not allowed, people want to be reimbursed and compensated.
Still waiting for a full and final clarification from a GM. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
86
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:17:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:testobjekt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this. Except it's not clear. People using the channel need to know if they can be scammed or not. A GM telling them that recruitment scams are not allowed, but then when they do get scammed it's tough luck, is only mudding the waters. If something happens that is not allowed, people want to be reimbursed and compensated. Still waiting for a full and final clarification from a GM.
you know whats the best way to test it? Just get scammed by a goon for everything you have and get final confirmation from a GM. |
Esbelta
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:17:00 -
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You cant really be this dumb. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:19:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this.
Two goons were just reprimanded for using the recruitment channel to find marks and had billions of isk taken from them. The rule prior to this clarification was that the recruitment channel should not be used as a tool in scamming as evidenced by their enforcement. Now those two goons will get their precious isk back it seems as the rule was dumb and now changed. You can play semantics but the reality is that prior to this change things were moderated quite differently and it changed because goons cried.
People came into this thread to say goon tears are the best tears not realizing that goon tears get major changes made to this game and pubby tears mean nothing. |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:22:00 -
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Its a tiny part of the game be happy you have as much freedom to scam as you already do tbh. |
Franklin D Roosevelt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:25:00 -
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Drew Solaert wrote:Its a tiny part of the game be happy you have as much freedom to scam as you already do tbh. Good job reading the thread. (hint goons always get what they want) |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
86
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:25:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:testobjekt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this. Two goons were just reprimanded for using the recruitment channel to find marks and had billions of isk taken from them. The rule prior to this clarification was that the recruitment channel should not be used as a tool in scamming as evidenced by their enforcement. Now those two goons will get their precious isk back it seems as the rule was dumb and now changed. You can play semantics but the reality is that prior to this change things were moderated quite differently and it changed because goons cried. People came into this thread to say goon tears are the best tears not realizing that goon tears get major changes made to this game and pubby tears mean nothing.
An in reallity this happend:
A junior GM got a petition, he never did before. It was late at night/he works in the US and does what he thinks is right based on the information he gets from the Channel MOTD. He reimburses the guy who got scammed and takes the money from the scammer.
Next morning, Senior GM Spiral, looks at the case and sees the error that was made. He decides that the rule was not stated in a clear and precise manner and corrects this.
He clearly states the rule did not changed and what the purpose is (to keep offtopic out of the channel, not to prevent scams)
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Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:26:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:testobjekt wrote:[quote=Franklin D Roosevelt][quote=Ptraci][quote=Franklin D Roosevelt] It just proves that goons still control Eve . pubby tears mean nothing.
This is by no means true at all. Pubbie tears are sweet ambrosia, a balm for all goon ailments. They are what motivate us to get up in the morning. We cherish each and every one.
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GM Spiral
Game Masters C C P Alliance
111
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:33:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Except it's not clear.
People using the channel need to know if they can be scammed or not. A GM telling them that recruitment scams are not allowed, but then when they do get scammed it's tough luck, is only mudding the waters.
If something happens that is not allowed, people want to be reimbursed and compensated.
Still waiting for a full and final clarification from a GM.
If you enter into any deal in EVE Online and get scammed, without the aid of a bug or an exploit, then you are not eligible for reimbursement of any of the loss you may have suffered. This is regardless of what chat channel you may or may not be a member of at the time. You enter into deals with other players in EVE Online at your own risk and responsibility.
Players posting scams on the channel may expect warnings or even bans, if verified. As with many other channels in EVE, the recruitment channel is not moderated and relies on players reporting inappropriate language and behaviour to us through the petition system. If it was not clear enough, posting scams in the recruitment channel is considered on the same level as posting obscene links or language and will be treated accordingly.
Scamming, recruitment or not, is not forbidden in EVE. We encourage all pilots to exercise caution and common sense when dealing with other pilots in the game world. Your most valuable commodity in EVE is always going to be your trust, please don't sell it cheap.
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