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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2183
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:52:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Xystance wrote:This is the classic slippery slope.
The inside of your hollow head is a slippery slope. The relevant metaphor would be bad money drives out good. If scamming was allowed in the recruitment channel, then the recruitment channel would soon become only scams, and as a result it would be useless to everyone.
scamming had been allowed in the recruitment channel for years, fyi "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Grumpy Owly
244
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:57:00 -
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Vera Algaert wrote:As for "you really want to look at subscribed accounts, not logged in characters" - nope, that's what CCP wants to look at, not waht I want to look at. I care how many other characters are in EVE that I can interact with, not how much money ends up in CCP's coffers.
I do take your point that entertainment and fun in EvE is most relevant to the argument. And i would say that the "metric" of in game activity rather than accounts is a more accurate reflection of the level of fun. As a result this value fuels the other nice value of player accounts that we would also like to see improve. As such they are both relevant as accounts pay for game development.
I'd like to see both grow, but will agree that the idea we do play the game is for the fun first and foremost. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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Valei Khurelem
379
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Posted - 2012.02.24 06:59:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Goon tears
The sweetest tears of all :P
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
159
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:17:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Kehro Urgus wrote:Goon tears The sweetest tears of all :P There's a theory that one of our leading leaders may run off something similar to goon tears.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1648
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:26:00 -
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Anya Ohaya wrote:Xystance wrote:This is the classic slippery slope.
The inside of your hollow head is a slippery slope. The relevant metaphor would be bad money drives out good. If scamming was allowed in the recruitment channel, then the recruitment channel would soon become only scams, and as a result it would be useless to everyone.
There was no rule posted about scamming in the recruitment channel until a couple months ago.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Parthonax
11
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:34:00 -
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Andski wrote:Quote:EVE System > Channel MOTD: Welcome to the recruitment channel. This channel is intended for those players looking to find a new corporation, as well as those looking to enlist new players. Other activities, such as non-recruitment discussion is not permitted. No scamming is allowed in this channel and this includes, but not limited to, using the recruitment channel as a platform to find or target players to scam. As per subject, we ask everyone to use their best judgment before contracting assets or ISK as part of corporation's recruitment process and any deals made or finalized outside this channel are done at your own risk and responsibility.An additional recruitment source is the Alliance and Corporation Recruitment Center section of the forums. So what gives, why are you going down the road of prohibiting scams? I understand why character and timecode scams are not allowed, due to the fact that they involve the purchasing of services from CCP, but recruitment? Really? This rule is vague, it is selectively enforced and it goes completely against the spirit of the game. This rule also doesn't stop players from scouting out corporations to infiltrate and rob blind, it doesn't stop recruiters from looking for saps to recruit and gank - it is specifically targeted towards one type of scam. So I ask, why the double standard? Remove this rule.
Oh dear oh dear You had a temporary ban from that scan a few weeks back didn't you and now feels CCP violated your ego
I hate to burts your bubble but even a sandbox has and need rules, and we all need to stick to those few simple rules even white trash goons
You broke one of those rules by using the recruiting channel with the sole purpose of scamming someone Doesn't matter if the victim was a 2 week old player or a 3 year old veteran ( his own stupidity for falling for a scam like that) you people would even scam a 2 week old newplayer if you had the chance just because you can and have absolute no sense of fair play and have this notion that you are untouchable And if you really expect that CCP is going to make exceptions for the goons alone you are wrong
Thank God Goons have one braincell more than a dog or they would hump each other legs so this is permanence |
Deviana Sevidon
Jades Falcon Guards
289
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:36:00 -
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Doing something against recruitment scams is a good idea. I have never fallen for one, but they serve only to benefit players we don't really need in EVE while driving many newer and less experienced players away.
So it is not about destroying the sandbox, but rather against those who do nothing but pissing into everyones sand.
tl;dr
u mad goon?` |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1648
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:38:00 -
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Deviana Sevidon wrote:Doing something against recruitment scams is a good idea. I have never fallen for one, but they serve only to benefit players we don't really need in EVE while driving many newer and less experienced players away. So it is not about destroying the sandbox, but rather against those who do nothing but pissing into everyones sand. tl;dr u mad goon?`
And who are you to decide which kinds of players we need in Eve? Also, you have zero proof that scamming is driving anybody away from the game. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2184
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:45:00 -
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Parthonax wrote:Oh dear oh dear You had a temporary ban from that scan a few weeks back didn't you and now feels CCP violated your ego disagreeing with a rule doesn't mean I got banned, oops
Parthonax wrote:I hate to burts your bubble but even a sandbox has and need rules, and we all need to stick to those few simple rules even white trash goons "white trash goons"
sorry pubbienax, get out of my thread
Parthonax wrote:You broke one of those rules by using the recruiting channel with the sole purpose of scamming someone Doesn't matter if the victim was a 2 week old player or a 3 year old veteran ( his own stupidity for falling for a scam like that) you people would even scam a 2 week old newplayer if you had the chance just because you can and have absolute no sense of fair play and have this notion that you are untouchable And if you really expect that CCP is going to make exceptions for the goons alone you are wrong
Thank God Goons have one braincell more than a dog or they would hump each other legs
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Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
608
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Posted - 2012.02.24 09:04:00 -
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Kehro Urgus wrote:Goon tears best tears... |
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Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz
104
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Posted - 2012.02.24 09:55:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: Everyone on the forums whines about goons scamming them therefore Goons should be removed.
I'll support this. Let's...just assume there's some kind of signature here, 'k? ... ... OH WAIT. Jace Errata on Twitter |
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GM Spiral
Game Masters C C P Alliance
93
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:17:00 -
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I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified. Senior Game Master | EVE Online Customer Support Team | Info Group | CCP Games
Helping capsuleers since 2004. |
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testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:37:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified.
ALL HAIL GM Spiral! you sir are a ******* hero of the sandbox! Please send my regards to GMs Haggris and Syndemic.
To protect new players against scams, i would like for CCP to implement a giant red warning to be mailed to new accounts reading: "TRUST NOONE" |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2184
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:39:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:To protect new players against scams, i would like for CCP to implement a giant red warning to be mailed to new accounts reading: "TRUST NOONE, especially goons"
fyp (I don't trust goons myself HEH) (except the mittani, the most trustworthy man in eve) "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2184
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:43:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified.
Thank you for clarifying the situation, friend! I'll buy you a beer when I go to the post-Jove expansion Fanfest. "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:47:00 -
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Andski wrote:
scamming had been allowed in the recruitment channel for years, fyi
So what? Lots of things used to be allowed and are now not allowed. Anyone else remember the lofty scam?
I personally love the Goonswarm recruitment scam, it never gets old. I also believe that Goonswarm will still get lots of successful recruitment scam victims.
Recruitment is a CCP-made channel, not player made. So just like the Rookie Help and Help channels, CCP can setup special rules in these channels if they so wish.
It's like you can't can bait in rookie starter systems but you are allowed to can flip in any other system. The sandbox is not broken by this and the sky is not falling.
The way I read the new rules and the GM response is that Goonswarm can post away in Recruitment as it is not a scam yet. It only turns into a scam once the people convo a Goonswarm member and then they are on their own as they have been warned.
Thumbs up from me! |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2185
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:58:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Andski wrote:
scamming had been allowed in the recruitment channel for years, fyi
So what? Lots of things used to be allowed and are now not allowed. Anyone else remember the lofty scam? I personally love the Goonswarm recruitment scam, it never gets old. I also believe that Goonswarm will still get lots of successful recruitment scam victims. Recruitment is a CCP-made channel, not player made. So just like the Rookie Help and Help channels, CCP can setup special rules in these channels if they so wish. It's like you can't can bait in rookie starter systems but you are allowed to can flip in any other system. The sandbox is not broken by this and the sky is not falling.
GM Spiral clarified the channel policies. I personally agree with the "don't advertise in the channel" rule - people trying to sell their 1.2b ISK PLEX in the channel would not allow us to find potential recruits! "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
75
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:32:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified.
Nope, you didn't clarify that at all.
Can you be scammed as part of the recruitment process while using the Recruitment Channel. Yes or No? I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
testobjekt
Creative Accounting Institute
80
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:48:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified. Nope, you didn't clarify that at all. Can you be scammed as part of the recruitment process while using the Recruitment Channel. Yes or No?
You can be scammed.
But people are not allowed to post anything outside of legitimate recruitment advertises in the channel, which means if a Goon writes "Join Goon NOW! Convo me for details" he can get punished for that, just like someone writing "goons stink" or "WTS 10 Hulks only direct trade" as its all off topic |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
75
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:56:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified. Nope, you didn't clarify that at all. Can you be scammed as part of the recruitment process while using the Recruitment Channel. Yes or No? You can be scammed. But people are not allowed to post anything outside of legitimate recruitment advertises in the channel, which means if a Goon writes "Join Goon NOW! Convo me for details" he can get punished for that, just like someone writing "goons stink" or "WTS 10 Hulks only direct trade" as its all off topic
Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
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Tore Vest
238
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:03:00 -
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Im a little torn here... I hate scam.... but.... ppl that want to join goons getting scamed .... I have no problem with that A real highsec carebear. |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2194
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:04:00 -
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Tore Vest wrote:Im a little torn here... I hate scam.... but.... ppl that want to join goons getting scamed .... I have no problem with that
You're aware that a lot of people in your new alliance are scammers, right? Especially the ISRAD guys - goons never change~ "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Parthonax
12
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:07:00 -
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Andski wrote: With your bitterness towards members of my alliance, don't you believe that anybody wishing to join us, especially one willing to put down ISK for the privilege, deserves to be scammed?
Regarding new players, they are simply not worth scamming. As a general rule, we just don't bother with anybody less than 6 months old - they are unlikely to have the ISK or assets to make the process of social engineering worthwhile.
anyway,
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m!m
goon tears the best tears If you really think that you and your alliance can stand above the rules and therefore have a cart blanc to harras and grief anyone you like you are wrong There some good people in your alliance aswell but in general you goons just act like spoiled little brats who cry murder if the rules or game mechanics work against them and you get caught Like i said before even a sandbox need rules end of the discussion you broke the rules you pay the penalty so this is permanence |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2194
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:11:00 -
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Parthonax wrote:m!m
goon tears the best tears If you really think that you and your alliance can stand above the rules and therefore have a cart blanc to harras and grief anyone you like you are wrong There some good people in your alliance aswell but in general you goons just act like spoiled little brats who cry murder if the rules or game mechanics work against them and you get caught Like i said before even a sandbox need rules end of the discussion you broke the rules you pay the penalty
ugh forum alts "WeGÇÖre a professional Merc Alliance, like PL" ~ snot shot, 2012 |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
340
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:14:00 -
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"A fool and his money are soon parted"
It's not CCP's fault, nor is it the fault of the rest of the EVE community, that the above statement holds true. That is just human nature. Rather than try to make a world that encourages foolishness by artificially removing the consequences of acting without thinking, how about leaving things the way they are. If you are stupid enough to fall for a scam then you did not deserve to have that ISK anyway. If you rage-quit because of this then the EVE community will be -1 stupid player and will benefit as a whole.
Think of it as a sort of Darwinistic mechanism where fools tend to weed themselves out over time. If you remove that mechanism then we will simply accumulate more fools who will require more rules, more special treatment and more pampering. This is the road to Hello Kitty Online, where nothing matters because the Good Nanny CCP will always fix things anyway. |
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GM Spiral
Game Masters C C P Alliance
110
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:25:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this.
You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices.
Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. Senior Game Master | EVE Online Customer Support Team | Info Group | CCP Games
Helping capsuleers since 2004. |
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1345
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:32:00 -
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Andski ..
well played. |
Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries Bloodbound.
77
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:32:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does.
So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right? I am a pod pilot: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/DesertIce/POD.jpg
CCP Zulu: Came expecting a discussion about computer monitors, left confused. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
609
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:33:00 -
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testobjekt wrote:GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified. ALL HAIL GM Spiral! you sir are a ******* hero of the sandbox! Please send my regards to GMs Haggris and Syndemic. To protect new players against scams, i would like for CCP to implement a giant red warning to be mailed to new accounts reading: "TRUST NOONE" LOL it's only for that channel like anyone uses it |
Triskian
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 13:36:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:Desert Ice78 wrote:Nope, still doesn't make sence.
You cannot post anything but legitimate post in channel, i.e. no scams, but at the same time you can be scammed.
It's got to be one or the other. Want a GM responce to this. You are always responsible for the outcome of any deal you enter into yourself in EVE Online, Customer Support can not protect you from your own choices. Posting scams in the Recruitment Channel is forbidden in the same way that posting off topic there is forbidden. It is a measure of moderation of the channel, being a member of the channel does not carry with it any implied protection from such scams any more than being a member of the Help channel does. So the practical outcome will be that if you do get scamed, then tough luck and you don't get your stuff back, but at least the scammers themselves will be punished. Do I have that right?
You have really bad reading comprehension skills. I don't see how he could've made it any more clear.
P.S. Your posting stinks. |
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