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testobjekt
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:37:00 -
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GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified.
ALL HAIL GM Spiral! you sir are a ******* hero of the sandbox! Please send my regards to GMs Haggris and Syndemic.
To protect new players against scams, i would like for CCP to implement a giant red warning to be mailed to new accounts reading: "TRUST NOONE" |
testobjekt
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:48:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:GM Spiral wrote:I was directed to this thread shortly after I updated the current MotD of the Recruitment Channel a few minutes ago.
To be succinct: 1. Scamming is not forbidden in EVE unless they are facilitated through bugs, exploits and the like. Likewise, if they are conducted in such a manner as to violate the ToS or EULA they will be stopped. 2. The onus of responsibility was always on the shoulders of both parties involved in recruitment. It was stated so in the MotD even, although it did not receive much attention. If the recruit or recruiter got scammed or betrayed in any way, it would be their responsibility for having entered into the deal. 3. For the simple purpose of keeping the channel somewhat usable, posting scams into it was considered off topic and therefore forbidden. Updating the MotD to emphasize this then spun into the current situation, which should now be (hopefully) clarified. Nope, you didn't clarify that at all. Can you be scammed as part of the recruitment process while using the Recruitment Channel. Yes or No?
You can be scammed.
But people are not allowed to post anything outside of legitimate recruitment advertises in the channel, which means if a Goon writes "Join Goon NOW! Convo me for details" he can get punished for that, just like someone writing "goons stink" or "WTS 10 Hulks only direct trade" as its all off topic |
testobjekt
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Posted - 2012.02.24 14:38:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:Triskian wrote:Scammer A posts in Recruitment channel looking for people to "join" his corp for the opportunity of a lifetime. Mark B gets scammed by Scammer A. Mark B reports Scammer A. Mark B gets told "tough luck" by CCP. Scammer A gets punished by CCP for posting "off topic" in the channel, we'll say this punishment is a ban from the channel (which is a likely outcome). Scammer A gets to keep what he scammed but is unable to find more marks in the channel.
How hard is this to understand? Now could a GM say this please.
I believe GMs have more important tasks then helping you understand basic english. Maybe ask your teacher ? |
testobjekt
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:05:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull?
There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this. |
testobjekt
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:17:00 -
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Desert Ice78 wrote:testobjekt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this. Except it's not clear. People using the channel need to know if they can be scammed or not. A GM telling them that recruitment scams are not allowed, but then when they do get scammed it's tough luck, is only mudding the waters. If something happens that is not allowed, people want to be reimbursed and compensated. Still waiting for a full and final clarification from a GM.
you know whats the best way to test it? Just get scammed by a goon for everything you have and get final confirmation from a GM. |
testobjekt
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Posted - 2012.02.24 15:25:00 -
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Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:testobjekt wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote:Ptraci wrote:Franklin D Roosevelt wrote: It just proves that goons still control Eve . LOL! Yeah. OK. Keep telling yourself that. Andski complained and rule changed. When is the last time a pubby had that pull? There was no rule change. Andskis brilliant reasoning just made it clear to CCP that the current wording of the rule in the recruitment channel was inappropriate and needed to be made clear. We all should be thankful for this. Two goons were just reprimanded for using the recruitment channel to find marks and had billions of isk taken from them. The rule prior to this clarification was that the recruitment channel should not be used as a tool in scamming as evidenced by their enforcement. Now those two goons will get their precious isk back it seems as the rule was dumb and now changed. You can play semantics but the reality is that prior to this change things were moderated quite differently and it changed because goons cried. People came into this thread to say goon tears are the best tears not realizing that goon tears get major changes made to this game and pubby tears mean nothing.
An in reallity this happend:
A junior GM got a petition, he never did before. It was late at night/he works in the US and does what he thinks is right based on the information he gets from the Channel MOTD. He reimburses the guy who got scammed and takes the money from the scammer.
Next morning, Senior GM Spiral, looks at the case and sees the error that was made. He decides that the rule was not stated in a clear and precise manner and corrects this.
He clearly states the rule did not changed and what the purpose is (to keep offtopic out of the channel, not to prevent scams)
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