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Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:27:00 -
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So, i have heard a few people talking about this program for duel boxing on eve. Basicaly its a program which makes it easy to swap between accounts quickly on 1 monitor. This program also has a kind of mimic mouse on all accounts feature.
My question for a Dev, GM anyone with official information would be - Is this allowed or asking to get accounts banned?
I will state i have not used this program, and i certainly wont if its not allowed! |
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:30:00 -
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Yes Stuff Goes here |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:31:00 -
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To which part, allowed or banzored?
Thought id add a link so people can check easy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IU46QY8lMqI |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:40:00 -
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A forum post ain't no petition. So yes, it is allowed. Have fun with your ban.
The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Wacktopia
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:41:00 -
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This guy didn't get banned so you're probably good to go but probably best to get an official answer on it. Vote Alekseyev Karrde for CSM7. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=67574 Get War Decs, Sov, Low Sec that works.-á |
Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:42:00 -
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AFAIK, as long as a human is manually performing the actions then its fine. Even if that action is duplicated across multiple clients. |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:46:00 -
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Wacktopia wrote:This guy didn't get banned so you're probably good to go but probably best to get an official answer on it.
I did laugh at that setup have to admit :D
So possibly programs are a nono, but double sided tape and a fairy washing up bottle is allll good |
Aylat
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:47:00 -
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This is what a GM told me:
Quote:Hello there,
Multiboxing is allowed and it is allowed to use software to replicate keystrokes over multiple screens. A basic rule of thumb is that as long as you are actually controlling the accounts, it is fine. If the program is making the commands for you, i.e. playing the game for you, then it is a violation of the rules.
Your description of what you want to do sounds fine to me, it is fine to use software to help you input the same command to multiple clients at the same time. But remember that you yourself must be inputting all the commands!
I cannot vouch for the ISBoxer/Innerspace programs though, I have not used them and I do not know whether they have some functions which would be against the rules. There is also the issue of us officially vouching for a specific program, as we cannot know whether this program will add some sort of illegitimate function in the future. It would hypothetically be pretty bad if I said that using "ISBoxer" is totally fine if they were to add some sort of illegitimate macro functions in the future, even though the program might be fine at the time of the comment being made. I hope you understand.
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Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:49:00 -
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Aylat wrote:This is what a GM told me: Quote:Hello there,
Multiboxing is allowed and it is allowed to use software to replicate keystrokes over multiple screens. A basic rule of thumb is that as long as you are actually controlling the accounts, it is fine. If the program is making the commands for you, i.e. playing the game for you, then it is a violation of the rules.
Your description of what you want to do sounds fine to me, it is fine to use software to help you input the same command to multiple clients at the same time. But remember that you yourself must be inputting all the commands!
I cannot vouch for the ISBoxer/Innerspace programs though, I have not used them and I do not know whether they have some functions which would be against the rules. There is also the issue of us officially vouching for a specific program, as we cannot know whether this program will add some sort of illegitimate function in the future. It would hypothetically be pretty bad if I said that using "ISBoxer" is totally fine if they were to add some sort of illegitimate macro functions in the future, even though the program might be fine at the time of the comment being made. I hope you understand.
Well that looks promising, thanks for sharing that :) will still wait for someone who looks official tho/make a petition |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1097
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Posted - 2012.02.23 13:55:00 -
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Frankly I am curious as to why you don't just run both accounts in full screen windowed mode and swap between the two with alt+tab? Thats what I did before I got my second monitor and now I just run one on each screen in that mode and can slide my mouse easily between the two (perv joke in there...lol) and control both my characters one at a time. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
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gfldex
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Posted - 2012.02.23 14:19:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Frankly I am curious as to why you don't just run both accounts in full screen windowed mode and swap between the two with alt+tab? Thats what I did before I got my second monitor and now I just run one on each screen in that mode and can slide my mouse easily between the two (perv joke in there...lol) and control both my characters one at a time.
This looks totally legit to me. Given that EVE is not a competitive game at all and ISK can't buy you hired guns, it's totally not possible that you are pretty much forced to do the same to be competitive.
That a GM who is payed by a company that depends on subscriber money has no problem with having multiboxers comes to no surprise. Microtransactions would solve that problem but we can't have that. I wonder why. The game has a tutorial that gives you a mining laser and a railgun and tells you to go shoot rocks and red crosses. It teaches you nothing else. It's been that way for 8 years, so are you really surprised that there are people who aren't aware that this is a pvp game? --Jafit McJafitson |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.23 14:51:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Frankly I am curious as to why you don't just run both accounts in full screen windowed mode and swap between the two with alt+tab? Thats what I did before I got my second monitor and now I just run one on each screen in that mode and can slide my mouse easily between the two (perv joke in there...lol) and control both my characters one at a time. This looks totally legit to me. Given that EVE is not a competitive game at all and ISK can't buy you hired guns, it's totally not possible that you are pretty much forced to do the same to be competitive. That a GM who is payed by a company that depends on subscriber money has no problem with having multiboxers comes to no surprise. Microtransactions would solve that problem but we can't have that. I wonder why.
Where on earth did MT come from? Threads nothing to do with MT |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks Petition Blizzard
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:36:00 -
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gfldex wrote:This looks totally legit to me. Given that EVE is not a competitive game at all and ISK can't buy you hired guns, it's totally not possible that you are pretty much forced to do the same to be competitive. It depends on what you call competitive. I know a lot of people who only have a single account and do quite well for themselves.
I'm not one of those people.
gfldex wrote:That a GM who is payed by a company that depends on subscriber money has no problem with having multiboxers comes to no surprise. Microtransactions would solve that problem but we can't have that. I wonder why.
Legal multiboxing allows people to perform tedious tasks with one account while having fun with another. I don't know many who LIKE hauling a freighter full of goods across 20 jumps. Being able to have one character make that trip while I do something interesting with another removes a LOT of tedium from the game and lets me get on with doing stuff I like.
Microtransactions started out all wrong in Eve and CCP has set them aside for the time being because of that. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1098
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Posted - 2012.02.23 15:50:00 -
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Ah I see...you are trying to control your accounts simultaneously. Pretty sure CCP is ok with it since there is more than one person in EvE doing it openly. Hell...if I wasn't a complete lazy ass right now I would find the site for a guy with a setup that has 15 monitors and he plays like 24 accounts at a time or something crazy like that. I think he is in Goonswarm and he has been seen flying entire fleets around in unison before. CCP hasn't banned him yet. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:32:00 -
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Was trying to not open a petition and strech ccp's supprot team, buuuuut opened one now :D will post here the results |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:38:00 -
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Vertisce Soritenshi wrote:Ah I see...you are trying to control your accounts simultaneously. Pretty sure CCP is ok with it since there is more than one person in EvE doing it openly. Hell...if I wasn't a complete lazy ass right now I would find the site for a guy with a setup that has 15 monitors and he plays like 24 accounts at a time or something crazy like that. I think he is in Goonswarm and he has been seen flying entire fleets around in unison before. CCP hasn't banned him yet.
https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/
you mean this ? |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2012.02.23 18:40:00 -
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Joost Merc wrote:Wacktopia wrote:This guy didn't get banned so you're probably good to go but probably best to get an official answer on it. I did laugh at that setup have to admit :D So possibly programs are a nono, but double sided tape and a fairy washing up bottle is allll good
That guy claimed he was doing it manually, and asked the GM's if he could use software. They said yes, and he subsequently bought a server and came up with this:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/
So theres your answer.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Uriel Chinmay
Cutthroat Industries
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:16:00 -
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The problem with ISboxer is you're just an extension away from macro ratting, autopilot warp to 0 etc. Should be banned for imo. |
Infinite Force
Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:41:00 -
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Joost Merc wrote:So, i have heard a few people talking about this program for duel boxing on eve. Basicaly its a program which makes it easy to swap between accounts quickly on 1 monitor. This program also has a kind of mimic mouse on all accounts feature.
My question for a Dev, GM anyone with official information would be - Is this allowed or asking to get accounts banned?
I will state i have not used this program, and i certainly wont if its not allowed! Yes, isBoxer / multi-boxing is allowed.
See here for reference w/ links to the old eve forum posts: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1450356/page/1
Specific old forum post is here: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10
GM post is 3rd one down.
Uriel Chinmay wrote: The problem with ISboxer is you're just an extension away from macro ratting, autopilot warp to 0 etc. Should be banned for imo.
I do not wish to argue personal opinions on this issue, but the problem isn't with isBoxer, it's the automating of it - and you don't need isBoxer to macro as the GM above pointed out. You could, in theory, macro with just the G15 keyboard. HROLT CEO Live Free; Die Proud
Hammer Mineral Compression -á- The only way to go! |
Joost Merc
Obsessive Compulsive Disasters
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Posted - 2012.02.23 19:44:00 -
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Infinite Force wrote:Joost Merc wrote:So, i have heard a few people talking about this program for duel boxing on eve. Basicaly its a program which makes it easy to swap between accounts quickly on 1 monitor. This program also has a kind of mimic mouse on all accounts feature.
My question for a Dev, GM anyone with official information would be - Is this allowed or asking to get accounts banned?
I will state i have not used this program, and i certainly wont if its not allowed! Yes, isBoxer / multi-boxing is allowed. See here for reference w/ links to the old eve forum posts: http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1450356/page/1Specific old forum post is here: http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291641&page=10GM post is 3rd one down. Uriel Chinmay wrote: The problem with ISboxer is you're just an extension away from macro ratting, autopilot warp to 0 etc. Should be banned for imo.
I do not wish to argue personal opinions on this issue, but the problem isn't with isBoxer, it's the automating of it - and you don't need isBoxer to macro as the GM above pointed out. You could, in theory, macro with just the G15 keyboard.
Thank you very much :) |
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leich
Sad Panda'z Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:45:00 -
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I Dont understand how anyone in eve can play without multi boxing.
Everyone i know has atleast 2 accounts.
If not more.
MultiBoxing is an important part of eve and i wouldnt want to change that.
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Wektis Sunji
Sunji Corp
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:59:00 -
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I'm wondering did the OP even read the comments section of the youtube video posted where there are links to eve forums with dev replys that this software is fine. |
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