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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:10:00 -
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Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:10:00 -
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Reserved. |
baltec1
648
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:12:00 -
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Rens?
This cannot possibly go wrong! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1023
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:13:00 -
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This should end well.
Good luck to you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
79
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:17:00 -
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A million miners in one system. Pinch me. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3234
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:18:00 -
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count me out. Ill be gun mining in a system nearby. Hulks are in hunting season after all.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:18:00 -
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Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311
While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:19:00 -
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Suicide ganking a bunch of npc corp alts in noob ships or tanked Rohk miners in high sec should get old fast especially if our numbers get large enough.
This won't be a bunch of ice barges that would produce bear tears. Remember, the goons were the first to employ massive cheap ship blobs. Time for the miners to do the same.
So I think this will work better than you might think.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:21:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:A million miners in one system. Pinch me.
A million npc corp alts in noob ships in high sec.
Issler |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:23:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:A million miners in one system. Pinch me. A million npc corp alts in noob ships in high sec. Issler
With enough smart bombing battleships, we don't care what you are flying. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:23:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space.
I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience.
Issler |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:26:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience. Issler While it is understandable that you would oppose miners voting for another candidate, the careful analysis I have posted in that thread concerning how The Mittani has every reason to improve the lot of the common miner speaks for itself. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:26:00 -
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Um, there are not enough players to meet the "million" in "million miner march" (assuming you can even convince every subscriber to join with all active accounts). XD ***CSM Interstellar Debate - Mining Profession*** ***CSM Interstellar Debate - Combat PvP*** |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:27:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:A million miners in one system. Pinch me. A million npc corp alts in noob ships in high sec. Issler With enough smart bombing battleships, we don't care what you are flying.
Lets do the math. Smart bombing BSs cost something, not to mention the sec hit. NPC corp alt noob ships seem to be free. I expect free is more scalable than "cost something" in the long run.
But please bring lots of those BSs. Don't be shy about fitting them either.
We will be bringing noob ships and Concord.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:29:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Um, there are not enough players to meet the "million" in "million miner march" (assuming you can even convince every subscriber to join with all active accounts). XD
OK, you caught me... it will be closer to the ""bunch of miners march". But since none of the Million anything marches were able to really be a million I thought I could take some license.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:30:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience. Issler While it is understandable that you would oppose miners voting for another candidate, the careful analysis I have posted in that thread concerning how The Mittani has every reason to improve the lot of the common miner speaks for itself.
I would be happy to lose to another candidate that actually supported the idea of improving the fun/hour of mining not just the isk/hour.
Mittens is not that candidate.
Issler |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
48
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:30:00 -
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Or you could stop stamping your feet and making a noise and build a case for change.
Once the election is out of the way, petition that case for change through the elected CSMs. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
138
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:31:00 -
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And people wonder why miners are never taken seriously If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:33:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: I would be happy to lose to another candidate that actually supported the idea of improving the fun/hour of mining not just the isk/hour.
Mittens is not that candidate.
Issler
The Mittani is strongly in favor of the idea of improving the lot of the common miner, both isk-wise and entertainment-wise, as part of the Miner Population Restoration Program. We must reverse the environmental degradation that has thinned the mining herds and replaced them with bots. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:33:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Or you could stop stamping your feet and making a noise and build a case for change.
Once the election is out of the way, petition that case for change through the elected CSMs.
I've already repeatedly made a case for change and the reason I am running is I know that if the CSM 7 is basically CSM 6 with a new hat then there is no chance they would pressure CCP for anything that would improve the mining experience. They will remain focused on their previous agenda.
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:35:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: I would be happy to lose to another candidate that actually supported the idea of improving the fun/hour of mining not just the isk/hour.
Mittens is not that candidate.
Issler
The Mittani is strongly in favor of the idea of improving the lot of the common miner, both isk-wise and entertainment-wise, as part of the Miner Population Restoration Program. We must reverse the environmental degradation that has thinned the mining herds and replaced them with bots.
Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?
Not isk/hour, fun/hour.
You aren't fooling anyone.
Issler |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
169
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:39:00 -
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The Super Smartbomb Shebang. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:41:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?
Not isk/hour, fun/hour.
You aren't fooling anyone.
Issler
The Mittani has stated so before, and has recently tweeted his approval of my thread explaining how he is the proper miner's choice for CSM. The Mittani is solidly in favor of anything that increases miner populations and reduces the population of bots within those miners. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
210
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:45:00 -
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Hisec has never united for a cause, much less miners.
I'm going to guess you'll get maybe 25 people tops, and most of those will be your alts or alts of people looking to gank miners. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3234
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:45:00 -
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The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:02:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.
No idea why you would say that. Please cite where I have ignored good ideas about improving mining from any source.
In fact I show I am lot more supportive of the complete range of experiences in Eve than any other candidate for CSM 7.
So please, share how you would make mining better. If you are really serious about improving mining then join the advisory council and work to bring the best mining ideas to CCP in CSM 7!
Issler
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Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
77
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:03:00 -
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Looking forward to seeing about a dozen miners march around highsec.
It's going to be just like the microtransaction riots last summer! just scaled waaay down. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
163
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:25:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate
I've been feeling a bit down on EVE today but reading that just made me chuckle uncontrollable.
Thanks Issler
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
28
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:32:00 -
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Issler Dainze, I don't fully agree with your ideas about mining and I urge you to think a little harder about your approach and tweak it a bit. That being said, I am a miner and I'd love to join this march. In fact I will bring a retriever, just to be classy. Please remind me when it's coming up so I don't forget, and thanks in advance!! |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
219
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:52:00 -
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Mittani Mning quotes:
The Mittani wrote:"I know that it's ~completely mindblowing~ for a hiseccer, but most nullsec alliances don't mine. Except IRC.
Mining is awful. Don't do it."
...
"Mining basically died in nullsec - barring a few displaced carebears who kept at it despite a lack of profit - when the drone regions opened and began vomiting endless amounts of high-end minerals into the economy. I think the easiest fix for that is to remove 'gunmining' by giving the drones bounties like regular rats and removing their alloys. I enjoy killing miners, so it'd be nice to see mining ops in null besides IRC."
...
"I mined my ass off in 2005/2006 in Syndicate when the Swarm lived and died based on the prices of Zydrine, and Crokite was valuable enough that ops would be formed and defenses positioned to ensure that mining ops occured. The dynamic was interesting and dangerous, yet profitable enough that we'd do it despite the risk of being killed.
You're also wrong because you don't understand the concept of guards. Stealth bombers? Hurricane, please. Crying about AFK cloakers?
Nullsec requires profit to make mining worthwhile, and it should be dangerous enough to inspire people to run mining ops with guards. If you mine solo and whine about risk of being popped, that's because you're Doing It Wrong. "
...
"Gunmining in the drone regions is entirely the reason why mining has been devalued as a profession. I firmly support and advocate for a shift to bounties on Drone Region rats instead of alloys; this will stop the unceasing flow of highend minerals into the market, raise their prices, and make mining A/B/C worthwhile once more. Belts will have more miners - or have miners at all - and then we can murder them and read their whine threads on eve-o about how vile and cruel we are."
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"This is pretty weird, because I haven't mined since 2006, but I actually know about 'the spod'. 0.0 mining in general needs a huge reworking, the first step of which is removing alloy drops from drone rats. After that, nitty-gritty tweaks to grav site compositions are somewhat beyond my capacity, though the usual ideas - superveld, etc - have been tossed around. Making mining in null worthwhile once more is a high priority for the CSM, however, as most of us miss blowing up mining barges, and in order to find exhumers to kill you have to make the sites profitable enough to make it worth mining in the first place."
So there seems to be a consistant message of him wanting to improve his lot in null sec by moving the distribution of ABC sources, likley at the expence of those who have an staked interest in NPC null sec. And in doing so likley to generate a larger isk faucet from bounties to make inflation worse by simply converting the present drone goo into isk.
And whilst I recognise the helpfull shift for mining, it would be better to redistribute this evenly in regards to drone goo and other loot refining in order to redistribute mineral importance back to mining accross the whole of EvE as a stratergy. Not just limiting it to solely drone goo, which is likley a rivals income. I would prefer to see drone goo go or be significantly reduced however for the interests of mining. But I would consider carefully wether isk sinks need to be better considered to compensate for the isk faucet shift with the introduction of drone bounties.
No mention of any significant changes to the mining profession itself directly as a resutl, just resources.
Apart form that there is little interest in mining developments other than ensuring a need to enthuse more opportunites to shoot soft targets. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
Stop EvE Apathy |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
137
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:54:00 -
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You can't kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
Bots don't cry, whine and make threads crying and whining when they get ganked. |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2319
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:06:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:
No mention of any significant changes to the mining profession itself directly as a resutl, just resources.
Apart form that there is little interest in mining developments other than ensuring a need to enthuse more opportunites to shoot soft targets.
As the first quote proves, The Mittani is fully aware of how unfun mining is. However, there are two major problems with it: it's unfun everywhere, and it's simply not viable at all in 0.0. Making mining viable in 0.0 is a flat improvement to the game since its something that's just gone and would add a lot to the game to return. Making it not a horribly unfun process is a seperate issue: "don't mine" has been a refrain of goonswarm to our newbies for years as we don't want them burning out asking why anyone would play this game because we let them try to mine. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
946
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:08:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Issler Dainze, I don't fully agree with your ideas about mining and I urge you to think a little harder about your approach and tweak it a bit. That being said, I am a miner and I'd love to join this march. In fact I will bring a retriever, just to be classy. Please remind me when it's coming up so I don't forget, and thanks in advance!!
I'd love to learn more about what your ideas are about how to make mining better.
Remember, I am looking to create a panel of advisers to help create the best ideas to bring to CCP. The ideas I've shared to date were intended to start off conversations, not meant to be the final solution to all things in need if fixing.
Issler |
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
178
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:20:00 -
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I'm thinking you'd have more impact if you all flew your Exhumers to Jita 4-4 and parked 'em right in front of the undock. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
236
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:38:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience. Issler
OP, please don't feed the troll Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM 7! (Mittens, you may not want to admit it, but your day in the sun is over. Next!)
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THE L0CK
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
6
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:45:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reserved.
reserved Do you smell what the Lock's cooking? |
SkiD-MaRk
DEAD-ON
12
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:46:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?
Not isk/hour, fun/hour.
You aren't fooling anyone.
Issler
The Mittani has stated so before, and has recently tweeted his approval of my thread explaining how he is the proper miner's choice for CSM. The Mittani is solidly in favor of anything that increases miner populations and reduces the population of bots within those miners.
You really are going balls deep for the Mittani. Though he has the votes of many including myself. Your attempts at making him you next lover is embarrassing. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy Important Internet Spaceship League
37
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Posted - 2012.02.21 23:52:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:OK, you caught me... it will be closer to the ""bunch of miners march".
How can your potential voters trust you if you're going to get caught lying so easily? |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
947
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:10:00 -
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admiral root wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:OK, you caught me... it will be closer to the ""bunch of miners march". How can your potential voters trust you if you're going to get caught lying so easily?
I could lose millions of voters over this!
Issler
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Nephilius
Grey Legionaires
320
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:19:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience. Issler While it is understandable that you would oppose miners voting for another candidate, the careful analysis I have posted in that thread concerning how The Mittani has every reason to improve the lot of the common miner speaks for itself.
I wanted to laugh, but somehow something so ironically funny only ellicited a snort from me. To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment's hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. |
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Angsty Teenager
Sinister Elite
45
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Posted - 2012.02.22 01:31:00 -
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Why has nobody commented on how bloody deformed and ugly looking OP's character is?
And as far as this fellow is concerned, I don't see why he tries to act like a legitimate candidate. You're trying to get votes from the wrong people m8, no highsec miners will bother voting. If they're dumb enough to remain in highsec and mine instead of going to null or a wormhole, they're too dumb to make a large enough showing in the CSM elections.
Though mining is stupid period.
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Cyprus Black
Cowboy Diplomacy
144
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Posted - 2012.02.22 02:43:00 -
[42] - Quote
Hmm, The Million Miner March and Hulkaggeden 5 happening around the same time?
Could be coincidence or.....
IT'S A TRAP! Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
173
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Posted - 2012.02.22 02:54:00 -
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bunch of scrub alts in rookie ships boooooring. wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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SMASHBOX
Ministry of Information
12
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Posted - 2012.02.22 04:14:00 -
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You could all show up in 300k HP Orca's. Hard to gank, and proof that yer proud to be a miner. Maybe fit a cloak, just in case? |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE Limitless Inc.
261
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Posted - 2012.02.22 04:18:00 -
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I'm not a miner, and I don't like Issler, but I feel CCP really need to give low- and nullsec beltratting some major love. The ships are already there, exhumers, Orca, Rorq, they're all awsome tools. It just have to be valuable to mine again. I.e. as much as I'd love to gank you guys, for what it's worth, it's long overdue that miners get some love. this is a signature |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1341
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Posted - 2012.02.22 04:45:00 -
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Taiwanistan wrote:bunch of scrub alts in rookie ships boooooring.
so you gonna join too ? |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
335
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Posted - 2012.02.22 04:54:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Remember, the goons were the first to employ massive cheap ship blobs. Time for the miners to do the same.
Lol, miner fantasies. Not one of you has the guts to pull the trigger.
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Ann133566
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.02.22 04:57:00 -
[48] - Quote
I love miners. I say this because for less than 2 million isk I can pop barges worth more than 100million and the only downside is that I have to do a couple of missions to fix my sec status. A million miners in one system? Christmas has come early! \o/ |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
948
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Posted - 2012.02.22 05:48:00 -
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Ptraci wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Remember, the goons were the first to employ massive cheap ship blobs. Time for the miners to do the same.
Lol, miner fantasies. Not one of you has the guts to pull the trigger.
Concord will have lots of triggers to pull. If we lose nothing and gankers lose anything in the long run we win.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
948
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Posted - 2012.02.22 05:49:00 -
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Ann133566 wrote:I love miners. I say this because for less than 2 million isk I can pop barges worth more than 100million and the only downside is that I have to do a couple of missions to fix my sec status. A million miners in one system? Christmas has come early! \o/
No barges will be expected to attend. Sorry.
Issler |
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Sverige Pahis
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
749
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Posted - 2012.02.22 05:53:00 -
[51] - Quote
Three miner march doesn't quite have the same ring to it |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
37
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Posted - 2012.02.22 06:07:00 -
[52] - Quote
Pulling a completely made up guess of a number out of my ass, 90% of the game's miners don't even read these forums, since 90% of the game's miners are not actually people. On top of that you and your peers are so incredibly risk averse that the idea of slight chance of getting even your rookie ship (which is all you'll be in) ganked in Rens scares you to death. Furthermore, sitting outside the trade hub station in Rens in your rookie ship is you not mining, hence not making your wallet blink which is the only thing in this game that motivates the few human robots that do mine.
The only organization most highsec dwellers are capable of is sitting an Orca in the same belt as your small swarm of mining bots, or humping the side of a station if you're into 'heh' PvP. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
948
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Posted - 2012.02.22 06:46:00 -
[53] - Quote
Tarsus Zateki wrote:Pulling a completely made up guess of a number out of my ass, 90% of the game's miners don't even read these forums, since 90% of the game's miners are not actually people. On top of that you and your peers are so incredibly risk averse that the idea of slight chance of getting even your rookie ship (which is all you'll be in) ganked in Rens scares you to death. Furthermore, sitting outside the trade hub station in Rens in your rookie ship is you not mining, hence not making your wallet blink which is the only thing in this game that motivates the few human robots that do mine.
The only organization most highsec dwellers are capable of is sitting an Orca in the same belt as your small swarm of mining bots, or humping the side of a station if you're into 'heh' PvP.
Gathering a large group of players make the point and there are efforts outside of the forums to spread the word. I expect to gain momentum to eventually have a noteworthy assembly. First gathering might not be impressive but we'll have to see in the end if the miners hear the call.
The fact you think miners only mine to make isks shows how little you understand miners.
But I am happy so many goons are so interested in the miner's plight and claim to have such a deep understanding of their motivations.
Issler Dainze The Miners Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Tiberius Amzadee
The Omega Sovereign Flux Initiative
7
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Posted - 2012.02.22 08:40:00 -
[54] - Quote
Oh boy,talk about putting all your eggs in one basket. |
hawlin ass
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
8
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:18:00 -
[55] - Quote
Jesus. Even threads about mining are soul crushingly boring. |
TheBlueMonkey
Natural Progression
43
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:40:00 -
[56] - Quote
Egh,
Did you miss the bit where they're removing drone poop drops? That's a mining boost right there.
What you should do it form some kind of well ballanced argument for what improvements you want for miners. One that'll actually improve things for miners and not scew the game for everyone else.
I'll get you started, A new mining ship that pulls in more ore will only lead to more ore on the market and the price will drop leaving you with the same income.
Removing mining bots will remove a large chunk of income for CCP and stick the price for ore up untill more people switch to mining, lowering the price to where it was before. The downside of this is it'll make ships more expensive in the short term which'll make PvP more expnsives.
"make mining more fun" that's like me saying "make watching paint dry more fun" the only way of doing that is be doing something different.
Mining, I know you're going to argue with this, is the lowest point in eve as far as fun\isk making goes. You have chosen to do this, this is your choice, what do you want everyone else to do about it? |
Steve Celeste
Wolfsbrigade
202
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Posted - 2012.02.22 09:45:00 -
[57] - Quote
Why would you name your alliance after a Japanese car... |
Degren
The Scope Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2012.02.22 10:06:00 -
[58] - Quote
It would seem your constituents are AFK
Like they always are. |
Karn Dulake
Souls Must Be Trampled The.Alliance
379
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Posted - 2012.02.22 11:09:00 -
[59] - Quote
Calling all Disco battleships. I repeat calling all Disco Battleships I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Ptraci
StoneWall Metals Productions Bloodbound.
335
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:26:00 -
[60] - Quote
Karn Dulake wrote:Calling all Disco battleships. I repeat calling all Disco Battleships
It's as if a million carebears cried out and were suddenly smartbombed... |
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Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
50
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:37:00 -
[61] - Quote
A secret suicide ganker trying to get as many miners in one spot so him and his friends can blow the **** out of everyone?
And just for reference, Miners have received nothing but attention from CCP for all of the history of the game really. The introduction of T2 ships only gave miners the hulk, insurance was nerfed because of miners whining about suicide gankers and CCPs lack of interest in taking on botters only shows how good the mining community has it.
But now that CCP told every miner "screw you go defend yourselves for once" you are all trying to recapture the glory days where you could AFK mine in a hulk without worrying about attacks or harassment. |
Joe Skellington
Scientific Nano Technologies Institute Jokers Wild.
41
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Posted - 2012.02.22 17:46:00 -
[62] - Quote
I don't think we have enough players. -á-á |\__/|-á -á/ @ @ \ -á-á -á( > -¦ < )-á -á`-+-+x-½-½-¦ -á-á / O \ |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
952
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Posted - 2012.02.22 18:51:00 -
[63] - Quote
TheBlueMonkey wrote:Egh,
Did you miss the bit where they're removing drone poop drops? That's a mining boost right there.
What you should do it form some kind of well ballanced argument for what improvements you want for miners. One that'll actually improve things for miners and not scew the game for everyone else.
I'll get you started, A new mining ship that pulls in more ore will only lead to more ore on the market and the price will drop leaving you with the same income.
Removing mining bots will remove a large chunk of income for CCP and stick the price for ore up untill more people switch to mining, lowering the price to where it was before. The downside of this is it'll make ships more expensive in the short term which'll make PvP more expnsives.
"make mining more fun" that's like me saying "make watching paint dry more fun" the only way of doing that is be doing something different.
Mining, I know you're going to argue with this, is the lowest point in eve as far as fun\isk making goes. You have chosen to do this, this is your choice, what do you want everyone else to do about it?
I'll try one more time, since reading what I've posted seems to be a challenge for you.
I do want to add to the experience, that is the point! The fact that you can't see how it could be more challenging and "fun" doesn't mean it can't be made more entertaining.
Change up the experience, make it dynamic and challenging (while still allowing for the leisure mining experience many enjoy).
Everyone thinks all miners care about is the isk. Folks that think that are missing the point. Mining hasn't changed at all in Eve. But everything else in Eve has, way more ships, modules and as a result tactics that evolve when in combat. Also in combat real talent changes the outcome. Not so in mining.
Mining needs a new advanced active experience, not just more of the same.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
952
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:06:00 -
[64] - Quote
Fredfredbug4 wrote:A secret suicide ganker trying to get as many miners in one spot so him and his friends can blow the **** out of everyone?
And just for reference, Miners have received nothing but attention from CCP for all of the history of the game really. The introduction of T2 ships only gave miners the hulk, insurance was nerfed because of miners whining about suicide gankers and CCPs lack of interest in taking on botters only shows how good the mining community has it.
But now that CCP told every miner "screw you go defend yourselves for once" you are all trying to recapture the glory days where you could AFK mine in a hulk without worrying about attacks or harassment.
Show me one place where I've suggested anything of the sort. I understand risk and reward. I would support changes in aggression mechanics another player suggested in my CSM thread that improved the victims ability to respond.
As for attention? How many new mining ships since Eve started? How many new mining modules? How has the experience changed since the beginning? How long do miners have to have things like the small barges that aren't good for anything remain unbalanced.
CCP has ignored miners compared to every other aspect of Eve. Even the traders got changes in the UI that made their life better.
So it is time CCP showed the miners some love!
As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3250
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:09:00 -
[65] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Nova Fox wrote:The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is. No idea why you would say that. Please cite where I have ignored good ideas about improving mining from any source. In fact I show I am lot more supportive of the complete range of experiences in Eve than any other candidate for CSM 7. So please, share how you would make mining better. If you are really serious about improving mining then join the advisory council and work to bring the best mining ideas to CCP in CSM 7! Issler
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6625&find=unread Mining is in section 4. Only 1 post for now.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
952
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:24:00 -
[66] - Quote
Steve Celeste wrote:Why would you name your alliance after a Japanese car...
When I was naming the alliance I was trying to take into account the "history" of Tada O. We are basically based on surviving documents from an ancient earth industrial company based in Japan.
I looked for other words for an alliance and Accord popped up. Seemed like a natural fit!
History of Tada O
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
952
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Posted - 2012.02.22 19:28:00 -
[67] - Quote
Nova Fox wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Nova Fox wrote:The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is. No idea why you would say that. Please cite where I have ignored good ideas about improving mining from any source. In fact I show I am lot more supportive of the complete range of experiences in Eve than any other candidate for CSM 7. So please, share how you would make mining better. If you are really serious about improving mining then join the advisory council and work to bring the best mining ideas to CCP in CSM 7! Issler https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6625&find=unread Mining is in section 4. Only 1 post for now.
Because I didn't post doesn't mean I reject your ideas. For whatever reason I never saw the post. Sorry. I will read it in detail. You clearly gave this a lot of thought and I would love to work with you to come up with the best suggestions to forward to CCP.
Issler
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
734
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:11:00 -
[68] - Quote
I will personally undock to join the mob.
For no other reason than it sounds like a fun thing to do. Like the old days when we'd organize flash mobs for low- sec runs in CAS.
Always a hoot to be a part of stuff like this.
Put me on your mailing list, Issler.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
953
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Posted - 2012.02.22 21:37:00 -
[69] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:I will personally undock to join the mob. For no other reason than it sounds like a fun thing to do. Like the old days when we'd organize flash mobs for low- sec runs in CAS. Always a hoot to be a part of stuff like this. Put me on your mailing list, Issler. Mr Epeen
Will do!
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
978
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Posted - 2012.02.24 07:44:00 -
[70] - Quote
Please monitor the "Mining Miners" in game channel for information about upcoming live events!
Issler |
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Taiwanistan
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:05:00 -
[71] - Quote
oh god flashmobs wis: a roman orgy of all-you-can-eat social /dance o7m8 dressup, unrestrained do ask do tell out and proud at the space bar dollhouse, all the evolving new and exciting things you've ever wanted.
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Valei Khurelem
379
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Posted - 2012.02.24 11:07:00 -
[72] - Quote
Quote:suicide gankers and CCPs lack of interest in taking on botters only shows how good the mining community has it.
Please try mining for more than ten minutes before you make such ridiculous statements.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
38
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Posted - 2012.02.24 12:06:00 -
[73] - Quote
Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.
Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
981
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 19:11:00 -
[74] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.
Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower.
They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again.
Issler |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:38:00 -
[75] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration. I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2427
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:42:00 -
[76] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration. I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio. argh he would never have figured that out |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
983
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:05:00 -
[77] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration. I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio. argh he would never have figured that out
Uhm, she...
And if you somehow find honor in the death of NPC alts in noob ships then you are far too impressed with yourself.
Issler |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
38
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:10:00 -
[78] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.
Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower. They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again. Issler
After a search, it seems likely that you're referring to ankh. If you're interested on a temperature check on this, I'd just like to say that "ankh" and "again" in that sort of proximity give me the screaming heebie-jeebies.
Of course, your constituency may disagree. The highsec mindset is a closed book to me, even if I have returned there. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
983
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:18:00 -
[79] - Quote
Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.
Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower. They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again. Issler After a search, it seems likely that you're referring to ankh. If you're interested on a temperature check on this, I'd just like to say that "ankh" and "again" in that sort of proximity give me the screaming heebie-jeebies. Of course, your constituency may disagree. The highsec mindset is a closed book to me, even if I have returned there.
To really dissect her supporters, using a lot of high sec spamming and some hints of evil secret nefarious activities on the part of the other candidates she managed some impressive vote tallies. She claimed to support miners and industrialist, but in the end obsessed over FW in an manner that didn't help and would dominate meetings babbling about medals and such.
I felt all she was really trying to do in the end was get a job with CCP.
But she did show at least once, that high sec small corp miners and industrialist could support a single candidate. I was surprised to see that once she left no one was able to jump in and fill that void. I don't know why there isn't a "Take Care" party candidate anymore.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2427
|
Posted - 2012.02.24 20:24:00 -
[80] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:As for the secret suicide ganker thing, since I am asking folks to participate in NPC corp alts in noob ships, how many tears to do you expect from the miners,lots? If so you will be right because they will be tears of laughter as ganker after ganker loses ships that cost isks and we are treated to a fireworks display, maybe a fresh clone, one unit of trit and a new shiny noob ship to go right back to to the demonstration. I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio. argh he would never have figured that out Uhm, she... And if you somehow find honor in the death of NPC alts in noob ships then you are far too impressed with yourself. Issler yes, goons are all about space honor, you've got us there |
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Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:26:00 -
[81] - Quote
Clearly this is a campaigning thread and should be moved to Jita Park Speaker's Corner |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 20:52:00 -
[82] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio. argh he would never have figured that out Uh, not us, we don't care about that.
I mean those guys over in Raiden. and PL who are losing way too many tengus to drakes....
Issler Dainze wrote:And if you somehow find honor in the death of NPC alts in noob ships then you are far too impressed with yourself. Yeah you tell em! Evil ~elite pvp~ having to pad their kills with random pods and mining ships and now rookie ships and pods. Issiler, tell then what you think about them and their compensatory titans!
There's good reason to get newbies into Rifters and Blackbirds, not just because you might tackle a carrier or jam some enemy logistics ship for 5 minutes. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Kiandoshia
Amarrian Retribution
13
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Posted - 2012.02.24 21:02:00 -
[83] - Quote
I doubt bots read forums. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
984
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:07:00 -
[84] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Weaselior wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:I think some ~elite pvp~ people might consider coming with smartbombs to prop up their kill/death ratio. argh he would never have figured that out Uh, not us, we don't care about that. I mean those guys over in Raiden. and PL who are losing way too many tengus to drakes.... Issler Dainze wrote:And if you somehow find honor in the death of NPC alts in noob ships then you are far too impressed with yourself. Yeah you tell em! Evil ~elite pvp~ having to pad their kills with random pods and mining ships and now rookie ships and pods. Issler, tell then what you think about them and their compensatory titans! Give em' a piece of your internet spaceship forums mind! There's good reason to get newbies into Rifters and Blackbirds, not just because you might tackle a carrier or jam some enemy logistics ship for 5 minutes.
PvP is not evil. Pretty awesome if done right in fact.
Also a huge fan of the Rifter and the Blackbird. In fact look for one my Alliance Tourny teams somewhere in the video of the matches our tanked "Blackbird of Confounfment"! We took the Blackbird to a whole new level!
What I don't understand would be the point of smartbombing suicide ganking to kill some noob NPC alt ships. Where does that get fun. Throwing away isk and standing to temporarily annoy someone.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
984
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:10:00 -
[85] - Quote
Doris Dents wrote:Clearly this is a campaigning thread and should be moved to Jita Park Speaker's Corner
I am doing this to show CCP that miners can organize and do want CCP to improve mining. This about miners protesting to CCP.
I've limited my comments in this thread to the miner's plight and the need to do something in game to make a statement for the miners.
If someone wants to know why I'm running for CSM 7 and what I stand for then yes, please visit Jita Park.
Issler
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2441
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:34:00 -
[86] - Quote
i have well over 100b worth of assets and I am -10
podding everyone in your milion miner march for 80m and no standing loss (can't get any lower!) is effectively costless and ever so entertaining |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3055
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:36:00 -
[87] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.
Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower. They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again. Issler
Well you could hardly achieve less than she did for the players she claimed to represent. I'd choose a better example than an egostistical vote-scammer with appallingly blatant emotional issues. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
3055
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:44:00 -
[88] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Clearly this is a campaigning thread and should be moved to Jita Park Speaker's Corner I am doing this to show CCP that miners can organize and do want CCP to improve mining. This about miners protesting to CCP. I've limited my comments in this thread to the miner's plight and the need to do something in game to make a statement for the miners. If someone wants to know why I'm running for CSM 7 and what I stand for then yes, please visit Jita Park. Issler
Have you considered that this might backfire if you only get 17 guys to show up and the other 98% of the community completely ignore you? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
164
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Posted - 2012.02.24 22:57:00 -
[89] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Have you considered that this might backfire if you only get 17 guys to show up and the other 98% of the community completely ignore you? Goon alts will attend!
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Fabster
Spacerats
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:39:00 -
[90] - Quote
I might even consider mining if it would be more like this.
Galaxy on fire mining
Also dunno if bots could counter the moving cursor stuff.
On second thought mining will still boring. |
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Fabster
Spacerats
1
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:42:00 -
[91] - Quote
Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:Have you considered that this might backfire if you only get 17 guys to show up and the other 98% of the community completely ignore you? Goon alts will attend!
I see what you did there |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.02.25 01:44:00 -
[92] - Quote
Fabster wrote:I might even consider mining if it would be more like this. Galaxy on fire miningAlso dunno if bots could counter the moving cursor stuff. On second thought mining will still boring. "Damnit! Without any weapons I have no choice but to aaccept Gunant's rules."
So that miner is like a slave or being held hostage or something huh. Or a carebear mining because otherwise he'll get ganked. Guess he had no CONCORD to protect him eh. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
987
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:45:00 -
[93] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Clearly this is a campaigning thread and should be moved to Jita Park Speaker's Corner I am doing this to show CCP that miners can organize and do want CCP to improve mining. This about miners protesting to CCP. I've limited my comments in this thread to the miner's plight and the need to do something in game to make a statement for the miners. If someone wants to know why I'm running for CSM 7 and what I stand for then yes, please visit Jita Park. Issler Have you considered that this might backfire if you only get 17 guys to show up and the other 98% of the community completely ignore you?
So this is a work in progress. It is clear that in game activities are an important part of showing CCP support for something. Getting miners that are in in small corps, up in high sec that don't go on the forums is a challenge and given the number of folks that prefer kicking over sandcastles compared to folks that build them this is even harder.
But I owe it to the miners to try and do something.
My inner optimist says its worth a try.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
987
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:47:00 -
[94] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.
Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower. They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again. Issler Well you could hardly achieve less than she did for the players she claimed to represent. I'd choose a better example than an egostistical vote-scammer with appallingly blatant emotional issues.
Didn't choose her for her effectiveness. I did more for the folks that elected me twice than the the folks that got her in. My point was someone did manage to get some high sec alignment even if she wasn't what folks hoped she would be.
Issler |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
20
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:49:00 -
[95] - Quote
I used to be a miner such as you, but then I saw your face... |
Muddy Miner
Tiny Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 05:14:00 -
[96] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate
Forgive my ignorance, but where is mining broken? I fly out to space, point my lasers at rocks, fly home with ore.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
28
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Posted - 2012.02.25 06:54:00 -
[97] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Issler Dainze, I don't fully agree with your ideas about mining and I urge you to think a little harder about your approach and tweak it a bit. That being said, I am a miner and I'd love to join this march. In fact I will bring a retriever, just to be classy. Please remind me when it's coming up so I don't forget, and thanks in advance!! I'd love to learn more about what your ideas are about how to make mining better. Remember, I am looking to create a panel of advisers to help create the best ideas to bring to CCP. The ideas I've shared to date were intended to start off conversations, not meant to be the final solution to all things in need if fixing. Issler
I mostly agree with what The Mittani says about it. It needs to be more fun, and it needs to be accessible in nullsec. I also like to see ideas about ways to make it harder for bots to mine, though as of yet I haven't seen very many good ones. That's a tough subject.
I think reducing "gunminerals" such as drone compounds and the excessive amounts of tech 1 module drops in PVE is a big step toward making mining more valuable. Of course an isk sink needs to be put in as well if the drones start giving bounties. Perhaps drone compounds could be changed such that they cannot be refined for minerals but instead can be traded along with isk and loyalty points for cool faction items in a loyalty point store somewhere.
Another idea I have had to increase specifically non-highsec mining is to increase the amounts of highsec minerals yielded in the nullsec and lowsec ores. Here's my list of tweaks: Pyroxeres should yield a third of the nocxium it currently does, as it currently yields half as much as lowsec ores, taking away their uniquity. The rest of its yield might be increased a bit, but it's too good at current anyway. Kernite should yield half as much isogen as it currently does. When you add the two together from one ore, you'll see that it's nearly as much as the same volume mined in plagioclase PLUS the same volume mined in omber. Thus no matter how the market fluctuates, kernite will still generally be much more valuable than either plagioclase or omber. Plus, highsec kernite is likely the largest contributor to the price of isogen being rather low for the past couple years or more. Hemorphite and Hedbergite should have their yield boosted by a quarter because they are the only lowsec ores that cannot be found in highsec anomalies, thus they should be substantially more valuable than jaspet but they aren't. Gneiss should have its mexallon yield increased to 10x its current value, and its isogen yield increased to 2x. This will make it worth mining as well as giving it a mineral yield similar to having mined about 2/5ths of a unit of kernite, which will put mexallon and isogen into nullsec and reduce costs of shipping it from highsec. [*] Spodumain should have its tritanium and pyerite yield increased to 100x their current value, which will make spodumain worth mining as well as adding the equivalent of about 3/4ths of a unit of veldspar or scordite to each unit of spodumain. That will add lots of tritanium and pyerite to nullsec, reducing shipping costs further. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
988
|
Posted - 2012.02.25 07:02:00 -
[98] - Quote
Muddy Miner wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate Forgive my ignorance, but where is mining broken? I fly out to space, point my lasers at rocks, fly home with ore.
But it could be so much more.
Issler
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
28
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:10:00 -
[99] - Quote
Fabster wrote:I might even consider mining if it would be more like this. Galaxy on fire miningAlso dunno if bots could counter the moving cursor stuff. On second thought mining will still boring.
Now that's an idea that could actually work. The bots would have trouble seeing the transparent cursor, which can be further mystifying to them by its spinning, and I'd even go a step further by making the mining cursor slowly change color in a random fashion, using hues similar to the stuff it's hovering over. A human would have no difficulty seeing the cursor but bots would be utterly confounded by it. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.02.25 20:55:00 -
[100] - Quote
:royofca: |
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None ofthe Above
83
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:52:00 -
[101] - Quote
Bump.
Happening soon and I'll be there.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
True Voice
Center for Industrial and Economical Studies
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 18:07:00 -
[102] - Quote
None ofthe Above wrote:Bump.
Happening soon and I'll be there.
CIES too! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
994
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:48:00 -
[103] - Quote
We are in Rens now! Join us!
Issler |
True Voice
Center for Industrial and Economical Studies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.26 20:04:00 -
[104] - Quote
We moved to Pator.
Join us! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
997
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:15:00 -
[105] - Quote
We held the first gathering today. We started small because I think a lot of folks doubted we would do this. We spread the word across a number of systems and ended helping a fellow miner complete a mining mission.
Join us! Miners Unite!
The next gathering will be announced in the next couple of days!
Issler |
True Voice
Center for Industrial and Economical Studies
0
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 21:37:00 -
[106] - Quote
The miners spring has started!!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:24:00 -
[107] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:We held the first gathering today. We started small because I think a lot of folks doubted we would do this. We spread the word across a number of systems and ended helping a fellow miner complete a mining mission.
Join us! Miners Unite!
The next gathering will be announced in the next couple of days!
Issler I should get my market alt into a retrieve and join you.
Some day... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2511
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:09:00 -
[108] - Quote
this was clearly going to be such a bust i didn't even bother waking up for it |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2511
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 23:10:00 -
[109] - Quote
from my mid-afternoon nap |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
997
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 23:14:00 -
[110] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:this was clearly going to be such a bust i didn't even bother waking up for it
You weren't missed!
Issler |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2511
|
Posted - 2012.02.26 23:42:00 -
[111] - Quote
i would not wish to interfere with your parade of five people in velators showing ccp just how much organization miners have |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
998
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:53:00 -
[112] - Quote
we got to at least 14 at times!
Fact is no one believed we would do it and this is just a start.
This movement will grow.
Issler |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:54:00 -
[113] - Quote
May your Ospreys blot out the sun. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1001
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 00:50:00 -
[114] - Quote
Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
51
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 01:12:00 -
[115] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend
Why should they say anything in your thread?
CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1001
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:17:00 -
[116] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Why should they say anything in your thread? CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead.
I work very well in a team.
But the reason is the CSM is a team, but if no one on that team is interested in improving mining it will never get brought up to CCP.
So if you are OK with mining as it is today then no reason to look for a candidate interested in improving mining because if no one is elected interested in representing the miners it won't get brought up by the CSM 7.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
52
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:42:00 -
[117] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Why should they say anything in your thread? CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead. I work very well in a team. But the reason is the CSM is a team, but if no one on that team is interested in improving mining it will never get brought up to CCP. So if you are OK with mining as it is today then no reason to look for a candidate interested in improving mining because if no one is elected interested in representing the miners it won't get brought up by the CSM 7. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I'm sure CCP are aware of the problems/limitations of mining. I suspect mining has not been seen as a high enough priority (a lot of miners semi-afk mine anyway), although it will probably get a make-over at some point.
CSMs should represent improving the game, which would include mining as it's part of it. They should not be just representing their own interests.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1002
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 01:54:00 -
[118] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Why should they say anything in your thread? CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead. I work very well in a team. But the reason is the CSM is a team, but if no one on that team is interested in improving mining it will never get brought up to CCP. So if you are OK with mining as it is today then no reason to look for a candidate interested in improving mining because if no one is elected interested in representing the miners it won't get brought up by the CSM 7. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate I'm sure CCP are aware of the problems/limitations of mining. I suspect mining has not been seen as a high enough priority (a lot of miners semi-afk mine anyway), although it will probably get a make-over at some point. CSMs should represent improving the game, which would include mining as it's part of it. They should not be just representing their own interests.
Mining has been ignored for the eight years I've played Eve. When is that "at some point" going to happen?
I understand that you have to support improving all aspects of Eve in balance but mining has received no attention since I started Eve. Both times in the my past terms in the CSM I was very broad in my focus when required. If you think the CSM 6 focused on all of Eve and that if the same group is reelected as looks likely you haven't been paying attention. The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
The ONLY reason I am running is because no one in the CSM 6 cared about mining or encouraged CCP to revamp it and I don't see anyone else trying to add mining to CSM's focus.
I don't want to divert this to an "elect me" thread, but miners need to know that the CSM does seem to very effectively driving CCP's focus and that unless the miners get involved in the CSM process they are unlikely to get any CCP focus for a very long time.
So again, miners, if you are going to vote in the upcoming CSM elections (and I think you should), please put your support behind a candidate that will make sure the CSM includes miners in their thinking.
The question I should have asked you in my first reply, why shouldn't people who primarily focus on mining in Eve not want to understand the CSM candidates position on supporting miners.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 02:03:00 -
[119] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:we got to at least 14 at times!
hahahahahahahahahahaha
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 02:04:00 -
[120] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.
CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 02:04:00 -
[121] - Quote
The only surprising thing about this is that there are literally more people in Eve who care about space pants than people who care about mining. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 02:05:00 -
[122] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position. CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.
Name a single thing that the chair of CSM6 did (in his role as chairman) that was bad for people who didn't vote for him. Just one. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Willard Mitt Romney
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.02.28 02:08:00 -
[123] - Quote
+1 for the title of the thread alone
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1002
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 02:12:00 -
[124] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position. CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.
I agree and many folks have shared your position about the CSM 6 chair.
Issler |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 02:17:00 -
[125] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:many folks
Considering your idea of a million miner march consisted of 14 people, your perception of how many people are mad at The Mittani is suspect.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
52
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 02:19:00 -
[126] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position. CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game. Name a single thing that the chair of CSM6 did that was bad for people who didn't vote for him. Just one.
Looking after a section of the game does not necessarily benefit the game as a whole. Especially when the CSMs probably don't have equal say and not all areas will be represented under that mannar of leadership.
So I can see Issler's concerns regarding will mining have an equal say if a say at all, if The Chair has no interest in representing all players and the game as a whole.
The whole game should be looked at, not just piece parts. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
52
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Posted - 2012.02.28 02:28:00 -
[127] - Quote
Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:many folks Considering your idea of a million miner march consisted of 14 people, your perception of how many people are mad at The Mittani is suspect.
It was never going to be a million, it was just used for effect. Only 50k accounts online at the busiest time of the week. |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 03:01:00 -
[128] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Looking after a section of the game does not necessarily benefit the game as a whole. Especially when the CSMs probably don't have equal say and not all areas will be represented under that mannar of leadership.
So I can see Issler's concerns regarding will mining have an equal say if a say at all, if The Chair has no interest in representing all players and the game as a whole.
The whole game should be looked at, not just piece parts.
See you're so focused on the chairman that you failed to realize that CSM6 has a high sec rep, a wormhole rep and a low sec rep. Go ask them if their ideas were ignored. Don't believe crazy people on the forums who think CCP should ignore space content for more fashion options.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
33
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:15:00 -
[129] - Quote
Weaselior wrote:i would not wish to interfere with your parade of five people in velators showing ccp just how much organization miners have
I believe it was two bantams, a navitas, a tormentor, and a burst. No rookie ships were present.
Oh yeah, and there was one retriever. |
Ispia Jaydrath
Reib Autonomous Industries
39
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:25:00 -
[130] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Weaselior wrote:i would not wish to interfere with your parade of five people in velators showing ccp just how much organization miners have I believe it was two bantams, a navitas, a tormentor, and a burst. No rookie ships were present. Oh yeah, and there was one retriever.
There was an ibis, but it was orbiting the station at 100. I'm not sure if it was involved. |
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
33
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Posted - 2012.02.28 06:33:00 -
[131] - Quote
Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position. CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game.
It's not true. Nothing against you Issler, but The Mittani has stated and ranted many times about why he supports the whole of EVE and not just his voterbase or fellow Goons, and he backs this up with examples, excerpts, anecdotes, and by explaining theoretical situations, going very in-depth in a rather genius manner to describe his vision in a way that a layperson can understand it clearly. Reading his stuff makes me feel intelligent, valuable, and hopeful; and best of all when it's all said and done he can enjoy the same carnal delights the rest of us do, without letting it impede him or anyone he represents (the whole of the EVE playerbase) in the slightest.
Given the opportunity at the moment, I would vote for The Mittani even with mining as my top priority (it's on the list, but not at the top). Mittens has even made a forum post about why he is the miner's friend, and that's a lot more than I expected. To see him go out of his way to create a whole thread and rant about mining specifically gives me hope that it's on his platter of things that need to be looked at. He brought us great things in CSM 6 (way better than any CSM has done in the past) so I have a good feeling about CSM 7 and I think he'll take the chair again in a landslide vote.
I know it can be hard to do this, but if you really want what's best for miners, in fact even if you just want the best chance of even one good mining update/fix, you should put some effort into supporting The Mittani, rather than try to compete with him. I support The Mittani for CSM 7 for the whole of EVE, including mining. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1009
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 19:33:00 -
[132] - Quote
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position. CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game. It's not true. Nothing against you Issler, but The Mittani has stated and ranted many times about why he supports the whole of EVE and not just his voterbase or fellow Goons, and he backs this up with examples, excerpts, anecdotes, and by explaining theoretical situations, going very in-depth in a rather genius manner to describe his vision in a way that a layperson can understand it clearly. Reading his stuff makes me feel intelligent, valuable, and hopeful; and best of all when it's all said and done he can enjoy the same carnal delights the rest of us do, without letting it impede him or anyone he represents (the whole of the EVE playerbase) in the slightest. Given the opportunity at the moment, I would vote for The Mittani even with mining as my top priority (it's on the list, but not at the top). Mittens has even made a forum post about why he is the miner's friend, and that's a lot more than I expected. To see him go out of his way to create a whole thread and rant about mining specifically gives me hope that it's on his platter of things that need to be looked at. He brought us great things in CSM 6 (way better than any CSM has done in the past) so I have a good feeling about CSM 7 and I think he'll take the chair again in a landslide vote. I know it can be hard to do this, but if you really want what's best for miners, in fact even if you just want the best chance of even one good mining update/fix, you should put some effort into supporting The Mittani, rather than try to compete with him.
He has posted directly in Jita park he is not representing all of Eve, just his constituents.
Keep drinking mitten's koolaide, I think he makes it with miner's tears.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1695
|
Posted - 2012.02.28 19:59:00 -
[133] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:He has posted directly in Jita park he is not representing all of Eve, just his constituents.
So what? Everything he's done as chairman has benefited the entire playerbase whether they voted for him or not. You're so hung up on what Mittens said that you're unable to see what he actually did.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
564
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Posted - 2012.02.29 02:43:00 -
[134] - Quote
There aren't even a million miners in game.
You know, if you want something done, you could always be reasonable, and lobby with the CSM and bring up your concerns by sending them reasonable, polite messages with a list of things that you would like to be done, setting a reasonable time frame.
You don't go screaming at nothing that there is a problem and expect a solution.
You propose to someone in a position to do something what the problem is, and what possible solutions there are. That is how things work best. But then again, I wouldn't expect a bunch of rock-for-brained miners to get that. "War is not measured in terms of who wins or loses, who is right or wrong.-á It is measured in terms of who survives." |
Eso Es
War Tribe
6
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Posted - 2012.02.29 04:51:00 -
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Wait, I didn't know bots could protest?!?!? What are you guys gonna do, assemble in Rens then go AFK? |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
130
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Posted - 2012.02.29 05:11:00 -
[136] - Quote
Go train gunnery... |
Mikalia Sunstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
0
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Posted - 2012.03.03 13:37:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:if only i had more space honor, to go with my forum honor
That's "honour," actually
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Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1356
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Posted - 2012.03.03 13:45:00 -
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Ladie Harlot wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:He has posted directly in Jita park he is not representing all of Eve, just his constituents. So what? Everything he's done as chairman has benefited the entire playerbase whether they voted for him or not. You're so hung up on what Mittens said that you're unable to see what he actually did.
Dont get me wrong, i like your propaganda materials..
But what he done in manner of EVE development is probably different league.. What he made possible in game is different ball-park.
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Xython
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
274
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Posted - 2012.03.03 14:06:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.
Fortunately, it's not. Issler Dainze is just a pubbie with an agenda. And a bit thick.
Mittani is (or at least, was) a miner when he started the game, and has distinctly said that the CSM6 has been working on getting CCP to kill off the drone pieces that made mining completely obsolete. That single change would completely revamp mining as a profession, making it useful again.
Hell, the Goonswarm anti-Ice bot campaign singlehandedly helped restore sanity to that sector of space, helping fix the ice economy that was so horrifically devastated by bots mining ice 23x7. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
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Posted - 2012.03.04 01:22:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position. CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game. It's not true. Nothing against you Issler, but The Mittani has stated and ranted many times about why he supports the whole of EVE and not just his voterbase or fellow Goons, and he backs this up with examples, excerpts, anecdotes, and by explaining theoretical situations, going very in-depth in a rather genius manner to describe his vision in a way that a layperson can understand it clearly. Reading his stuff makes me feel intelligent, valuable, and hopeful; and best of all when it's all said and done he can enjoy the same carnal delights the rest of us do, without letting it impede him or anyone he represents (the whole of the EVE playerbase) in the slightest. Given the opportunity at the moment, I would vote for The Mittani even with mining as my top priority (it's on the list, but not at the top). Mittens has even made a forum post about why he is the miner's friend, and that's a lot more than I expected. To see him go out of his way to create a whole thread and rant about mining specifically gives me hope that it's on his platter of things that need to be looked at. He brought us great things in CSM 6 (way better than any CSM has done in the past) so I have a good feeling about CSM 7 and I think he'll take the chair again in a landslide vote. I know it can be hard to do this, but if you really want what's best for miners, in fact even if you just want the best chance of even one good mining update/fix, you should put some effort into supporting The Mittani, rather than try to compete with him.
The only thing more odious than a goonie verbally fellating Mittani in public, is a wannabe-goonie* verbally fellating Mittani in public.
*A name unworthy of capitalisation, imho...
In irae, veritas. |
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Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1762
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Posted - 2012.03.04 05:27:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The only thing more odious than a goonie verbally fellating Mittani in public, is a wannabe-goonie* verbally fellating Mittani in public. *A name unworthy of capitalisation, imho...
Don't be so mad about Goons. We're here to help.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
748
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Posted - 2012.03.04 07:15:00 -
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Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The only thing more odious than a goonie verbally fellating Mittani in public, is a wannabe-goonie* verbally fellating Mittani in public. *A name unworthy of capitalisation, imho... Truly are you a wielder of great power; with the flip of a single bit you can turn a person from being Worthy, to being unworthy. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
213
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Posted - 2012.03.04 09:07:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Keep drinking mitten's koolaide, I think he makes it with miner's tears. Is that his secret ingredient?
No wonder the tools involve brutixes (gank fit). Shoulve' guessed. [quote=Tarryn Nightstorm]The only thing more odious than a goonie verbally fellating Mittani in public, is a wannabe-goonie* verbally fellating Mittani in public./quote] My my, and here I thought you were going to say something like post on your main, thus implying it was a goon alt all the time.
Disappointing lack of all alts are goon alts posting in EVE-O forums, a discussion board for supercaps which are totally well balanced.
EDIT: I am disappoint. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:33:00 -
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Rakshasa Taisab wrote:Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:The only thing more odious than a goonie verbally fellating Mittani in public, is a wannabe-goonie* verbally fellating Mittani in public. *A name unworthy of capitalisation, imho... Truly are you a wielder of great power; with the flip of a single bit you can turn a person from being Worthy, to being unworthy.
Oh, your pardon, but:
Who are you, again?
In irae, veritas. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
246
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Posted - 2012.03.04 23:36:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Keep drinking mitten's koolaide, I think he makes it with miner's tears. Is that his secret ingredient? No wonder the tools involve brutixes (gank fit). Shoulve' guessed. [quote=Tarryn Nightstorm]The only thing more odious than a goonie verbally fellating Mittani in public, is a wannabe-goonie* verbally fellating Mittani in public. /quote] My my, and here I thought you were going to say something like post on your main, thus implying it was a goon alt all the time. Disappointing lack of all alts are goon alts posting in EVE-O forums, a discussion board for supercaps which are totally well balanced. EDIT: I am disappoint.
Well, I'm sure you lot can fix that in about 90 seconds, so what's to be disappointed about?
(/Me sings badly) "Wait for my instructions, Little Beeeee...." (Suas)
E: Now if Mittani were to sing to us like that guy used to, then hey, who knows what heights of political domination he would reach?
In irae, veritas. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1279
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:43:00 -
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Once the elections are over we will try and stage some miner events in major trade hubs again.
Miner's Unite!
Huge thanks to all the pilots of Eve that helped me with your vote, sharing my campaign with your friends and other miners in the 'verse and all the words of encouragement as the I was attacked by the players that would keep the miners out of the CSM and CCP's future plans!
Still time to help get a miner in the CSM 7! Vote for Issler, the Miner's Friend
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Xenophon Zateki
Vetrox Technologies
4
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:46:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Once the elections are over we will try and stage some miner events in major trade hubs again.
I see what you did there. |
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