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Fabster
Spacerats
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Posted - 2012.02.24 23:42:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Malcanis wrote:Have you considered that this might backfire if you only get 17 guys to show up and the other 98% of the community completely ignore you? Goon alts will attend!
I see what you did there |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
165
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Posted - 2012.02.25 01:44:00 -
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Fabster wrote:I might even consider mining if it would be more like this. Galaxy on fire miningAlso dunno if bots could counter the moving cursor stuff. On second thought mining will still boring. "Damnit! Without any weapons I have no choice but to aaccept Gunant's rules."
So that miner is like a slave or being held hostage or something huh. Or a carebear mining because otherwise he'll get ganked. Guess he had no CONCORD to protect him eh. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
987
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:45:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Doris Dents wrote:Clearly this is a campaigning thread and should be moved to Jita Park Speaker's Corner I am doing this to show CCP that miners can organize and do want CCP to improve mining. This about miners protesting to CCP. I've limited my comments in this thread to the miner's plight and the need to do something in game to make a statement for the miners. If someone wants to know why I'm running for CSM 7 and what I stand for then yes, please visit Jita Park. Issler Have you considered that this might backfire if you only get 17 guys to show up and the other 98% of the community completely ignore you?
So this is a work in progress. It is clear that in game activities are an important part of showing CCP support for something. Getting miners that are in in small corps, up in high sec that don't go on the forums is a challenge and given the number of folks that prefer kicking over sandcastles compared to folks that build them this is even harder.
But I owe it to the miners to try and do something.
My inner optimist says its worth a try.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
987
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:47:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Ispia Jaydrath wrote:Miners are professional victims. They couldn't organize even if they wanted to.
Highsec has never produced a viable political block; and even among hisec players, miners are the absolute last place to look for political organization or willpower. They did once behind an infamous spork thrower. I hope it can happen again. Issler Well you could hardly achieve less than she did for the players she claimed to represent. I'd choose a better example than an egostistical vote-scammer with appallingly blatant emotional issues.
Didn't choose her for her effectiveness. I did more for the folks that elected me twice than the the folks that got her in. My point was someone did manage to get some high sec alignment even if she wasn't what folks hoped she would be.
Issler |
Schmacos tryne
Norsk Testosteron
20
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Posted - 2012.02.25 02:49:00 -
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I used to be a miner such as you, but then I saw your face... |
Muddy Miner
Tiny Fleet
0
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Posted - 2012.02.25 05:14:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate
Forgive my ignorance, but where is mining broken? I fly out to space, point my lasers at rocks, fly home with ore.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
28
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Posted - 2012.02.25 06:54:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Issler Dainze, I don't fully agree with your ideas about mining and I urge you to think a little harder about your approach and tweak it a bit. That being said, I am a miner and I'd love to join this march. In fact I will bring a retriever, just to be classy. Please remind me when it's coming up so I don't forget, and thanks in advance!! I'd love to learn more about what your ideas are about how to make mining better. Remember, I am looking to create a panel of advisers to help create the best ideas to bring to CCP. The ideas I've shared to date were intended to start off conversations, not meant to be the final solution to all things in need if fixing. Issler
I mostly agree with what The Mittani says about it. It needs to be more fun, and it needs to be accessible in nullsec. I also like to see ideas about ways to make it harder for bots to mine, though as of yet I haven't seen very many good ones. That's a tough subject.
I think reducing "gunminerals" such as drone compounds and the excessive amounts of tech 1 module drops in PVE is a big step toward making mining more valuable. Of course an isk sink needs to be put in as well if the drones start giving bounties. Perhaps drone compounds could be changed such that they cannot be refined for minerals but instead can be traded along with isk and loyalty points for cool faction items in a loyalty point store somewhere.
Another idea I have had to increase specifically non-highsec mining is to increase the amounts of highsec minerals yielded in the nullsec and lowsec ores. Here's my list of tweaks: Pyroxeres should yield a third of the nocxium it currently does, as it currently yields half as much as lowsec ores, taking away their uniquity. The rest of its yield might be increased a bit, but it's too good at current anyway. Kernite should yield half as much isogen as it currently does. When you add the two together from one ore, you'll see that it's nearly as much as the same volume mined in plagioclase PLUS the same volume mined in omber. Thus no matter how the market fluctuates, kernite will still generally be much more valuable than either plagioclase or omber. Plus, highsec kernite is likely the largest contributor to the price of isogen being rather low for the past couple years or more. Hemorphite and Hedbergite should have their yield boosted by a quarter because they are the only lowsec ores that cannot be found in highsec anomalies, thus they should be substantially more valuable than jaspet but they aren't. Gneiss should have its mexallon yield increased to 10x its current value, and its isogen yield increased to 2x. This will make it worth mining as well as giving it a mineral yield similar to having mined about 2/5ths of a unit of kernite, which will put mexallon and isogen into nullsec and reduce costs of shipping it from highsec. [*] Spodumain should have its tritanium and pyerite yield increased to 100x their current value, which will make spodumain worth mining as well as adding the equivalent of about 3/4ths of a unit of veldspar or scordite to each unit of spodumain. That will add lots of tritanium and pyerite to nullsec, reducing shipping costs further. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
988
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:02:00 -
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Muddy Miner wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate Forgive my ignorance, but where is mining broken? I fly out to space, point my lasers at rocks, fly home with ore.
But it could be so much more.
Issler
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
28
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Posted - 2012.02.25 07:10:00 -
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Fabster wrote:I might even consider mining if it would be more like this. Galaxy on fire miningAlso dunno if bots could counter the moving cursor stuff. On second thought mining will still boring.
Now that's an idea that could actually work. The bots would have trouble seeing the transparent cursor, which can be further mystifying to them by its spinning, and I'd even go a step further by making the mining cursor slowly change color in a random fashion, using hues similar to the stuff it's hovering over. A human would have no difficulty seeing the cursor but bots would be utterly confounded by it. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
578
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Posted - 2012.02.25 20:55:00 -
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:royofca: |
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None ofthe Above
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Posted - 2012.02.26 17:52:00 -
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Bump.
Happening soon and I'll be there.
Even None ofthe Above supports Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7! |
True Voice
Center for Industrial and Economical Studies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:07:00 -
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None ofthe Above wrote:Bump.
Happening soon and I'll be there.
CIES too! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
994
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Posted - 2012.02.26 18:48:00 -
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We are in Rens now! Join us!
Issler |
True Voice
Center for Industrial and Economical Studies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.26 20:04:00 -
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We moved to Pator.
Join us! |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
997
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:15:00 -
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We held the first gathering today. We started small because I think a lot of folks doubted we would do this. We spread the word across a number of systems and ended helping a fellow miner complete a mining mission.
Join us! Miners Unite!
The next gathering will be announced in the next couple of days!
Issler |
True Voice
Center for Industrial and Economical Studies
0
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Posted - 2012.02.26 21:37:00 -
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The miners spring has started!!! |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.02.26 22:24:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:We held the first gathering today. We started small because I think a lot of folks doubted we would do this. We spread the word across a number of systems and ended helping a fellow miner complete a mining mission.
Join us! Miners Unite!
The next gathering will be announced in the next couple of days!
Issler I should get my market alt into a retrieve and join you.
Some day... Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2511
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:09:00 -
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this was clearly going to be such a bust i didn't even bother waking up for it |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2511
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:10:00 -
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from my mid-afternoon nap |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
997
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:14:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:this was clearly going to be such a bust i didn't even bother waking up for it
You weren't missed!
Issler |
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2511
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:42:00 -
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i would not wish to interfere with your parade of five people in velators showing ccp just how much organization miners have |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
998
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:53:00 -
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we got to at least 14 at times!
Fact is no one believed we would do it and this is just a start.
This movement will grow.
Issler |
Masamune Dekoro
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
64
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Posted - 2012.02.26 23:54:00 -
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May your Ospreys blot out the sun. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1001
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Posted - 2012.02.28 00:50:00 -
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Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
51
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:12:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend
Why should they say anything in your thread?
CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1001
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:17:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Why should they say anything in your thread? CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead.
I work very well in a team.
But the reason is the CSM is a team, but if no one on that team is interested in improving mining it will never get brought up to CCP.
So if you are OK with mining as it is today then no reason to look for a candidate interested in improving mining because if no one is elected interested in representing the miners it won't get brought up by the CSM 7.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
52
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:42:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Why should they say anything in your thread? CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead. I work very well in a team. But the reason is the CSM is a team, but if no one on that team is interested in improving mining it will never get brought up to CCP. So if you are OK with mining as it is today then no reason to look for a candidate interested in improving mining because if no one is elected interested in representing the miners it won't get brought up by the CSM 7. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
I'm sure CCP are aware of the problems/limitations of mining. I suspect mining has not been seen as a high enough priority (a lot of miners semi-afk mine anyway), although it will probably get a make-over at some point.
CSMs should represent improving the game, which would include mining as it's part of it. They should not be just representing their own interests.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1002
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Posted - 2012.02.28 01:54:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
I've created a thread asking the CSM 7 candidates to tell you all what they will do for you if elected and so far none of the other candidates have even bothered to answer.
Demand that your CSM 7 candidates come clean and let you know if they are committed to making your life better!
And please be active on the mining miners channel! We need to show CCP we can be an organized voice to be reckoned with!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend Why should they say anything in your thread? CSMs once elected should work as a team, you don't strike me as a team player, although you obviously like to lead. I work very well in a team. But the reason is the CSM is a team, but if no one on that team is interested in improving mining it will never get brought up to CCP. So if you are OK with mining as it is today then no reason to look for a candidate interested in improving mining because if no one is elected interested in representing the miners it won't get brought up by the CSM 7. Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate I'm sure CCP are aware of the problems/limitations of mining. I suspect mining has not been seen as a high enough priority (a lot of miners semi-afk mine anyway), although it will probably get a make-over at some point. CSMs should represent improving the game, which would include mining as it's part of it. They should not be just representing their own interests.
Mining has been ignored for the eight years I've played Eve. When is that "at some point" going to happen?
I understand that you have to support improving all aspects of Eve in balance but mining has received no attention since I started Eve. Both times in the my past terms in the CSM I was very broad in my focus when required. If you think the CSM 6 focused on all of Eve and that if the same group is reelected as looks likely you haven't been paying attention. The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
The ONLY reason I am running is because no one in the CSM 6 cared about mining or encouraged CCP to revamp it and I don't see anyone else trying to add mining to CSM's focus.
I don't want to divert this to an "elect me" thread, but miners need to know that the CSM does seem to very effectively driving CCP's focus and that unless the miners get involved in the CSM process they are unlikely to get any CCP focus for a very long time.
So again, miners, if you are going to vote in the upcoming CSM elections (and I think you should), please put your support behind a candidate that will make sure the CSM includes miners in their thinking.
The question I should have asked you in my first reply, why shouldn't people who primarily focus on mining in Eve not want to understand the CSM candidates position on supporting miners.
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Ladie Harlot
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1686
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Posted - 2012.02.28 02:03:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:we got to at least 14 at times!
hahahahahahahahahahaha
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
52
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Posted - 2012.02.28 02:04:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: The chair of the CSM 6 has repeatedly stated he only represents his constituency and has no interest in representing all of Eve.
If that's true then he was not the right person for the position.
CSMs should work seperate from the game but focused on the game and the players. CSMs should not be an extension of the game. |
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