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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:10:00 -
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Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:10:00 -
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Reserved. |
baltec1
648
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:12:00 -
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Rens?
This cannot possibly go wrong! |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1023
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:13:00 -
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This should end well.
Good luck to you. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Miss Whippy
Bloody Limeys
79
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:17:00 -
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A million miners in one system. Pinch me. Highjacking every thread possible in the campaign to END THE CLICK FEST and RUBBISH NAVIGATION in EvE. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3234
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:18:00 -
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count me out. Ill be gun mining in a system nearby. Hulks are in hunting season after all.
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Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:18:00 -
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Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311
While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:19:00 -
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Suicide ganking a bunch of npc corp alts in noob ships or tanked Rohk miners in high sec should get old fast especially if our numbers get large enough.
This won't be a bunch of ice barges that would produce bear tears. Remember, the goons were the first to employ massive cheap ship blobs. Time for the miners to do the same.
So I think this will work better than you might think.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:21:00 -
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Miss Whippy wrote:A million miners in one system. Pinch me.
A million npc corp alts in noob ships in high sec.
Issler |
Kismeteer
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
98
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:23:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:A million miners in one system. Pinch me. A million npc corp alts in noob ships in high sec. Issler
With enough smart bombing battleships, we don't care what you are flying. |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:23:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space.
I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience.
Issler |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:26:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience. Issler While it is understandable that you would oppose miners voting for another candidate, the careful analysis I have posted in that thread concerning how The Mittani has every reason to improve the lot of the common miner speaks for itself. |
Henry Haphorn
Aliastra Gallente Federation
195
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:26:00 -
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Um, there are not enough players to meet the "million" in "million miner march" (assuming you can even convince every subscriber to join with all active accounts). XD ***CSM Interstellar Debate - Mining Profession*** ***CSM Interstellar Debate - Combat PvP*** |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:27:00 -
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Kismeteer wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Miss Whippy wrote:A million miners in one system. Pinch me. A million npc corp alts in noob ships in high sec. Issler With enough smart bombing battleships, we don't care what you are flying.
Lets do the math. Smart bombing BSs cost something, not to mention the sec hit. NPC corp alt noob ships seem to be free. I expect free is more scalable than "cost something" in the long run.
But please bring lots of those BSs. Don't be shy about fitting them either.
We will be bringing noob ships and Concord.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:29:00 -
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Henry Haphorn wrote:Um, there are not enough players to meet the "million" in "million miner march" (assuming you can even convince every subscriber to join with all active accounts). XD
OK, you caught me... it will be closer to the ""bunch of miners march". But since none of the Million anything marches were able to really be a million I thought I could take some license.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:30:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Weaselior wrote:Miners, I urge you to think hard about who will actually support you, and read this thread here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=72311While Ms. Dainze may paint herself as "The Miner's Friend", careful analysis will show that your best option is to vote for The Mittani, King of Space. I would really love to know how you think any miner that thinks for a moment about various barge-o-geddons would vote for anyone that was ever on the ganking end of that experience. Issler While it is understandable that you would oppose miners voting for another candidate, the careful analysis I have posted in that thread concerning how The Mittani has every reason to improve the lot of the common miner speaks for itself.
I would be happy to lose to another candidate that actually supported the idea of improving the fun/hour of mining not just the isk/hour.
Mittens is not that candidate.
Issler |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
48
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:30:00 -
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Or you could stop stamping your feet and making a noise and build a case for change.
Once the election is out of the way, petition that case for change through the elected CSMs. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
138
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:31:00 -
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And people wonder why miners are never taken seriously If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:33:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: I would be happy to lose to another candidate that actually supported the idea of improving the fun/hour of mining not just the isk/hour.
Mittens is not that candidate.
Issler
The Mittani is strongly in favor of the idea of improving the lot of the common miner, both isk-wise and entertainment-wise, as part of the Miner Population Restoration Program. We must reverse the environmental degradation that has thinned the mining herds and replaced them with bots. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:33:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:Or you could stop stamping your feet and making a noise and build a case for change.
Once the election is out of the way, petition that case for change through the elected CSMs.
I've already repeatedly made a case for change and the reason I am running is I know that if the CSM 7 is basically CSM 6 with a new hat then there is no chance they would pressure CCP for anything that would improve the mining experience. They will remain focused on their previous agenda.
Issler |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:35:00 -
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Weaselior wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: I would be happy to lose to another candidate that actually supported the idea of improving the fun/hour of mining not just the isk/hour.
Mittens is not that candidate.
Issler
The Mittani is strongly in favor of the idea of improving the lot of the common miner, both isk-wise and entertainment-wise, as part of the Miner Population Restoration Program. We must reverse the environmental degradation that has thinned the mining herds and replaced them with bots.
Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?
Not isk/hour, fun/hour.
You aren't fooling anyone.
Issler |
Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
169
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:39:00 -
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The Super Smartbomb Shebang. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2305
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:41:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: Can you show anywhere that Mittens has supported a new mining experience?
Not isk/hour, fun/hour.
You aren't fooling anyone.
Issler
The Mittani has stated so before, and has recently tweeted his approval of my thread explaining how he is the proper miner's choice for CSM. The Mittani is solidly in favor of anything that increases miner populations and reduces the population of bots within those miners. |
Nex apparatu5
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
210
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:45:00 -
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Hisec has never united for a cause, much less miners.
I'm going to guess you'll get maybe 25 people tops, and most of those will be your alts or alts of people looking to gank miners. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3234
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:45:00 -
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The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
944
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:02:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:The mttani is more likely to listen to my ideas on how to revamp mining than issler is.
No idea why you would say that. Please cite where I have ignored good ideas about improving mining from any source.
In fact I show I am lot more supportive of the complete range of experiences in Eve than any other candidate for CSM 7.
So please, share how you would make mining better. If you are really serious about improving mining then join the advisory council and work to bring the best mining ideas to CCP in CSM 7!
Issler
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Bischopt
Ice Fire Warriors Late Night Alliance
77
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:03:00 -
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Looking forward to seeing about a dozen miners march around highsec.
It's going to be just like the microtransaction riots last summer! just scaled waaay down. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
163
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:25:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Miners!
We are long overdue for some positive attention from CCP. We haven't seen a substantial change or improvement in Eve focused at miners for as long as I can remember. We have seen the effectiveness of mass demonstrations in gaining CCP's attention and it is time we show CCP we are a force to be reckoned with.
In order to shine the light on the miners of Eve during the CSM 7 elections I will be organizing gatherings for all miners in the major trade hubs over the course of the elections.
I am sure already folks are saying "wait, we will be ganked immediately". I am sure there will be a few of us that fall victims to the forces of evil but what I am asking is to make it not worth the cost.
Please join me for the first gathering Sunday. We will begin to gather in Rens at 18:00 Eve time. Please come in something you would not be afraid to lose. This means alts and noob ships or something you feel tanked enough to be safe. I will be setting up a chat channel to coordinate. Look for me to update this post as the weekend approaches.
I will be organizing these gatherings every weekend through the election. I encourage other miners to stage their own protests.
We will also be conducting flash mob mining ops throughout high-sec.
Miners unite!!
Issler Danize The Miner's Friend CSM 7 candidate
I've been feeling a bit down on EVE today but reading that just made me chuckle uncontrollable.
Thanks Issler
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
28
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:32:00 -
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Issler Dainze, I don't fully agree with your ideas about mining and I urge you to think a little harder about your approach and tweak it a bit. That being said, I am a miner and I'd love to join this march. In fact I will bring a retriever, just to be classy. Please remind me when it's coming up so I don't forget, and thanks in advance!! |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
219
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:52:00 -
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Mittani Mning quotes:
The Mittani wrote:"I know that it's ~completely mindblowing~ for a hiseccer, but most nullsec alliances don't mine. Except IRC.
Mining is awful. Don't do it."
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"Mining basically died in nullsec - barring a few displaced carebears who kept at it despite a lack of profit - when the drone regions opened and began vomiting endless amounts of high-end minerals into the economy. I think the easiest fix for that is to remove 'gunmining' by giving the drones bounties like regular rats and removing their alloys. I enjoy killing miners, so it'd be nice to see mining ops in null besides IRC."
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"I mined my ass off in 2005/2006 in Syndicate when the Swarm lived and died based on the prices of Zydrine, and Crokite was valuable enough that ops would be formed and defenses positioned to ensure that mining ops occured. The dynamic was interesting and dangerous, yet profitable enough that we'd do it despite the risk of being killed.
You're also wrong because you don't understand the concept of guards. Stealth bombers? Hurricane, please. Crying about AFK cloakers?
Nullsec requires profit to make mining worthwhile, and it should be dangerous enough to inspire people to run mining ops with guards. If you mine solo and whine about risk of being popped, that's because you're Doing It Wrong. "
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"Gunmining in the drone regions is entirely the reason why mining has been devalued as a profession. I firmly support and advocate for a shift to bounties on Drone Region rats instead of alloys; this will stop the unceasing flow of highend minerals into the market, raise their prices, and make mining A/B/C worthwhile once more. Belts will have more miners - or have miners at all - and then we can murder them and read their whine threads on eve-o about how vile and cruel we are."
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"This is pretty weird, because I haven't mined since 2006, but I actually know about 'the spod'. 0.0 mining in general needs a huge reworking, the first step of which is removing alloy drops from drone rats. After that, nitty-gritty tweaks to grav site compositions are somewhat beyond my capacity, though the usual ideas - superveld, etc - have been tossed around. Making mining in null worthwhile once more is a high priority for the CSM, however, as most of us miss blowing up mining barges, and in order to find exhumers to kill you have to make the sites profitable enough to make it worth mining in the first place."
So there seems to be a consistant message of him wanting to improve his lot in null sec by moving the distribution of ABC sources, likley at the expence of those who have an staked interest in NPC null sec. And in doing so likley to generate a larger isk faucet from bounties to make inflation worse by simply converting the present drone goo into isk.
And whilst I recognise the helpfull shift for mining, it would be better to redistribute this evenly in regards to drone goo and other loot refining in order to redistribute mineral importance back to mining accross the whole of EvE as a stratergy. Not just limiting it to solely drone goo, which is likley a rivals income. I would prefer to see drone goo go or be significantly reduced however for the interests of mining. But I would consider carefully wether isk sinks need to be better considered to compensate for the isk faucet shift with the introduction of drone bounties.
No mention of any significant changes to the mining profession itself directly as a resutl, just resources.
Apart form that there is little interest in mining developments other than ensuring a need to enthuse more opportunites to shoot soft targets. Bounty Hunting for CSM 7
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