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Jao I
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:20:00 -
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Edited by: Jao I on 03/03/2008 12:31:14 Edited by: Jao I on 03/03/2008 12:25:47 Edited by: Jao I on 03/03/2008 12:21:24 Hello everyone,
Recently I came back to Missioing and yesterday i ran into The Mordus Headhunters lvl4. I found it ok until the last mob. Mordus Mammoth took about 10 minutes of NON-STOP shooting from 'arby' cruises. How come this possible? His shield recharge rate was SOO high, that my kinetic missiles couldn't get behind his shield. And his reward is only 1m. I've reloaded 6 bays 3 times until he was dead.
Setup was as follows: H: 6 x Arby Cruise / Large kinetic smartbomb / heavy diminishing nos M: XL shield booster II / 4 active T1 hardeners (2 kin and 2 therm) / cap booster with 800s L: 3xPDUII or CPRs cant remember / 2xBCU II
I have 24 M skill points and had VERY hard time killing that fella, is that i joke or what? I know that i have Cruise Missiles only at LVL4 but rest, like Missile Bombardment, Guided Missile Precision, Missile Projection, Target Navigation and Warheads Upgrades ALL at lvl 4.
Can anyone please tell me, is it normal? Am i too weak or the guy is too tough? |
Durzel
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:46:00 -
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No drones? I assume you used them with 24 mil SP but just thought I'd clarify.
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Jao I
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:54:00 -
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Hey, thanks for the replay. Yeah, i use T2 medium with raven, but operating range is 45 km, that guy orbits at 50 at 260ms, so no way getting closer than 49km.... I'll use drone link next time i guess.
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Riho
Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:34:00 -
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strange... mybe its like the gurista vengeance strong npc BS.... you need to get closer for hes tank to be weaker.
my astarte whit 250mm rails slaughtered him whit ease at 20km ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:47:00 -
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I remember the first time I did this mission I gave up, refitted my domi with a afterburner, webber and blasters, and eventually blew up the mammoth.
Some npcs are just tough.
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adriaans
Amarr Advanced Capital Ship Designs Hephaestus Rising
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Posted - 2008.03.03 15:40:00 -
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killed him easy enough without having to reload with my nighthawk....
the 2.5 mill BS on (vengeance i think?) hoborak moon on the other hand...couldn't break his tank for the life of me... -sig-
Support the introduction of Blaze M crystals for Amarr! (Or make Amarr the only race able to deal EM damage from turrets).
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Lubomir Penev
interimo
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jao I Hey, thanks for the replay. Yeah, i use T2 medium with raven, but operating range is 45 km, that guy orbits at 50 at 260ms, so no way getting closer than 49km.... I'll use drone link next time i guess.
Train Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing. 53km control range for all drones at level 3, and opens you the usage of electronic warfare drones too... -- Heat, easy to burn your mods by mistake, hard to get it to work when you need it the most. Well designed interface CCP! |
Arazel Chainfire
United System's Commonwealth
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Posted - 2008.03.04 03:13:00 -
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I had the same trouble one time (my missile support skills were less, but i had caldari navy cruise launchers). Then i switched to kinetic missiles and took him down w/ about 10 rounds. Basically, the key here is that you have to use the right damage type on him.
-Arazel
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Krayzee
Gallente Online Assault
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Posted - 2008.03.04 20:46:00 -
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The only guy that gives me trouble is hobarok moon (or whatever his name is) I just kill all the other stuff, go back to base and jump in the blasterthron, he soon pops then. If you can only fly caldari, just refit the raven with siege launchers, torps, AB and a webber for the hard to kill guys, will do the same trick. Better dead than smeg |
Mannakin
Caldari Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Mannakin on 05/03/2008 11:32:13 The Raven has no bonus to Kinetic missles (unlike most of the other Caldari missle boats) so using the correct damage type is important in a Raven.
Plus, you can easily field x5 T2 Hammerheads. I'm pretty sure that would eat him easy.
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Naomi Wildfire
Amarr Stardust Heavy Industries Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:07:00 -
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I never had any problem in my nighthawk. that 2,5 in the vengeance was hard, but no problem with 5 Light II drones on him.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:18:00 -
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I don't know why people have such problems with the Vengeance bosses. I have done the Serpentis and Sansha's one with a Drake, and they are both easy and neither are weak to kinetic (drake's only dmg bonus). According to the NPC database the Gurista's one tanks slightly less than them. This mammoth in the OP doesn't even tank as much as Vengeance bosses, just hit the correct resist and you should be fine.
Do people just not fit damage mods or what?
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Jessamine
W4yne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:43:00 -
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Ehh, the problem is probably more that it's
1) Regular Raven so short a missile slot 2) Arbies instead of CN/DG (or at the very least T2) 3) 3 PDS & 2 BCU - Should be 2 CFC II & 3 BCU II (or CN/DG) 4) Pack some CN Cruises for the boss, the extra damage will help considerably. I use them for every rat but it's considerably more expensive that way
Using a CN fitted CNR I have never run into any rat that couldn't be killed in less than 7 volleys, excluding the Guristas vengeance boss who takes 10 volleys.
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Rick Thwaites
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.03.05 18:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jessamine Ehh, the problem is probably more that it's
1) Regular Raven so short a missile slot 2) Arbies instead of CN/DG (or at the very least T2) 3) 3 PDS & 2 BCU - Should be 2 CFC II & 3 BCU II (or CN/DG) 4) Pack some CN Cruises for the boss, the extra damage will help considerably. I use them for every rat but it's considerably more expensive that way
Using a CN fitted CNR I have never run into any rat that couldn't be killed in less than 7 volleys, excluding the Guristas vengeance boss who takes 10 volleys.
A few questions: 1) A regular raven can tank any mission solo, with half-decent skills, why spend an extra 500M (uninsureable) for a DPS bonus of about 30...? 2) Don't have a problem with this, I use T2, much cheaper and only lose about 20 DPS. 3) This I don't understand. Your cap recharge becomes the suck, like 1m 30s with everthing on, compared to almost 3m with 3x PDU/2x BCU. 4) Don't have a problem with, with LP CN cruise are cheap. --
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Jessamine
W4yne Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.03.05 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rick Thwaites
A few questions: 1) A regular raven can tank any mission solo, with half-decent skills, why spend an extra 500M (uninsureable) for a DPS bonus of about 30...? 2) Don't have a problem with this, I use T2, much cheaper and only lose about 20 DPS. 3) This I don't understand. Your cap recharge becomes the suck, like 1m 30s with everthing on, compared to almost 3m with 3x PDU/2x BCU. 4) Don't have a problem with, with LP CN cruise are cheap.
1) They can if you include warpouts to be tanking. It is not an extra 500m it is an extra 370m [(CNR is 450ish, Raven is 80ish. Difference is only 370) and it is insurable you just get regular Raven payout. Doesn't matter, since you shouldn't lose it]. DPS bonus is ~14%.
2) Yes it is only about 22dps increase, but you also have to include the different ammo capacities. T2 holds 27 missiles, CN/DG hold 30 Arbies only hold 24.
3) Yeah, should have mentioned that T2 shield boosters are terrible once you've been spoiled with Gist. CFC II tanks work very well with Gist XL boosters, they've gone up in price a bit though
4) Ridiculously so. Burned through 55 missions took almost 50k missiles
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.03.05 20:24:00 -
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Quote: 3) This I don't understand. Your cap recharge becomes the suck, like 1m 30s with everthing on, compared to almost 3m with 3x PDU/2x BCU.
Use CFC and CPR instead of PDU. PDU are not very good for cap recharge.
I have a perma run T2 XL with 3 BCS for those times I want to just be really lazy.
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Rick Thwaites
Caritas.
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Posted - 2008.03.05 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Jessamine
Originally by: Rick Thwaites
A few questions: 1) A regular raven can tank any mission solo, with half-decent skills, why spend an extra 500M (uninsureable) for a DPS bonus of about 30...? 2) Don't have a problem with this, I use T2, much cheaper and only lose about 20 DPS. 3) This I don't understand. Your cap recharge becomes the suck, like 1m 30s with everthing on, compared to almost 3m with 3x PDU/2x BCU. 4) Don't have a problem with, with LP CN cruise are cheap.
1) They can if you include warpouts to be tanking. It is not an extra 500m it is an extra 370m [(CNR is 450ish, Raven is 80ish. Difference is only 370) and it is insurable you just get regular Raven payout. Doesn't matter, since you shouldn't lose it]. DPS bonus is ~14%.
2) Yes it is only about 22dps increase, but you also have to include the different ammo capacities. T2 holds 27 missiles, CN/DG hold 30 Arbies only hold 24.
3) Yeah, should have mentioned that T2 shield boosters are terrible once you've been spoiled with Gist. CFC II tanks work very well with Gist XL boosters, they've gone up in price a bit though
4) Ridiculously so. Burned through 55 missions took almost 50k missiles
1) I don't have to warp out, unless I shoot all triggers in a mission. And true, sorry, I didn't really think of the math - I just typed the price I see it in contract for.
2) Extra 3 missiles (3x6 if in raven or 3x7 in CNR, 18 or 21 respectively) and 22 dps bonus doesn't seem worth 50M each.
3) I am not willing to spend any number of billions on a shield booster, especially with the suicide gankings going on.
Not a flame, at all. Just trying to get a deeper understanding. I never thought that missions required much more than a T2 setup to be effective. --
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.06 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 06/03/2008 10:10:05 I hear many people have the same problem with the Mission Objective RAT in level 4 VENGEANCE too.
I had a bit of a problem till I closed to point blank and could add short range EM Projectile damage to my drones.
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