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Roxanna Kell
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 01/03/2008 20:37:04 CCP has introduced serenity server in China, in accordance with Chinese MMORPG laws. Fair enogh, since CCP doesn't even deal with running it.
EVE Pridae it self being a single server were all the people in the world connect to a sinle world to fight each other, and why shouldn't they? its a great achievment.
But, I wounder why would a second server be bad, we can clearly see the benefits of it: *TQ population growth decreases, Giving enogh time for a solution. *Brand new world for those new subscribers that refused to sign up because of lag, and went back to wow. etc..............
I have no idea how much it will cost to set up a new server, and if CCP can afford it, But its better to generate more money from a new server than spend more on advertisment and hope that 1 in 10 trials sign up to the lag fest we live in at the momment, its everywere, 0.0/empire/low sec. *there wull still be people joining TQ to paly with friends
I am intrested in hearing your opinions on the matter, but please leave the fact of me being in BOB out of it thank you very much.
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RedMajere
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:46:00 -
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No. The money would be better spent upgrading the single server, because if there were two servers EvE would lose its allure, the idea of being in the game with everyone you meet and therefore if someone ****es you off you can always go attack them no matter what. The greater population is good because it prevents places from becoming deserted so the need for them is not completely removed
Just my two ISK
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Ioci
Gallente Ioci Exploration
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:50:00 -
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Eve 2 makes more sense to me. A second server just recreates the same troubles this one has. Most who don't sub won't anyway because of a variety of reasons aside from lag. Also Eve 2 voids out character transfer options. Something they would need to eliminate from the start either way. Left up to me and I don't suggest that for everyones sanity and financial well being, Eve 2 that will soon become known as Carebear Eve. Then allt he hard core PvP junkies get what they think they want and all the so called carebears get what they think they want.
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Daerdeae
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:56:00 -
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I think having a single server is the best thing. Yes, there is lag. But there's also a massive environment, filled to the brim with people.
If a second server emerged, then it would split the server dynamics.
The massive population and single-server is one of the reasons I love EVE so much. You can have thousands of people all playin g and interacting at once, and only one server to be watching out on. Having two servers would ruin what EVE is right now, and I think it would hurt gameplay dynamics.
But, that is just my opinion, and I oft have a hard time voicing my thoughts coherently.
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Hori To
NorCorp Security eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.01 20:59:00 -
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the single server thing is why I play eve. so for me, a second tranq would be shattering.
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Roxanna Kell
FinFleet Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:03:00 -
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Second thoughts, Bring the original Terran world, reopen the wormhole. IT will be a second server physically, linked to TQ somehow, And when you use the wormhole it transfers you to the other server, That would be a whole new game, new teechnology new ships, new races. Can only dream for the momment.
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Ungdall
Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:10:00 -
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Every time someone brings the idea up, everyone else has to remind them that it's a ******** idea. CCP prides itself on the unsharded nature of eve, and isn't about to change it.
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Renox
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:13:00 -
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You mention it as a solution to help on lag. Problem is that they would have to split the existing server cluster between the two as I doubt they would be able to afford a completely new cluster the size of TQ. Which essentially would leave you right back where you started except with a much deminished game.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell Second thoughts, Bring the original Terran world, reopen the wormhole. IT will be a second server physically, linked to TQ somehow, And when you use the wormhole it transfers you to the other server, That would be a whole new game, new teechnology new ships, new races. Can only dream for the momment.
That'd be the only way of sharding the server that I could agree to. ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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Vasile Ion
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:16:00 -
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Because of the way the game is set up with different processors for each solar syatem etc.. a new server would not help things much at all.
It's not the total population that generates lag, most systems work perfectly fine. It's too many people on one node. Certain major high-sec hubs and epsecially blob warfare.
I remember someone saying that even on the Chinese shard there was massive lag in alliance battles, and they have 4k people at peak hours.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:18:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Roxanna Kell Second thoughts, Bring the original Terran world, reopen the wormhole. IT will be a second server physically, linked to TQ somehow, And when you use the wormhole it transfers you to the other server, That would be a whole new game, new teechnology new ships, new races. Can only dream for the momment.
That'd be the only way of sharding the server that I could agree to.
Yeah because you and your corpies would be sitting on the wormhole picking off the ships.
Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: techzer0 That'd be the only way of sharding the server that I could agree to.
Yeah because you and your corpies would be sitting on the wormhole picking off the ships.
SHHHHH!!! We'd at least invite the united to join us ------------
Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
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wammeh II
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:23:00 -
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No point... goons will follow you wherever you go ;)
If europe/US gets split or whatever, I think I'll probably lose interest. CCP will just have to get better hamster hardware... Hows about that new ibm processor? I don't think money is the problem if they can afford to build another mmo. Probably more like available tech is too ****.
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:34:00 -
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* Pro: would give headroom and fix lag problems for a while ... I am really in favor of the idea to split the server
* Con: nothing really, all the arguments against it are extremely narrow-minded ("I don't want it because it's always been one server", "CCP wants to claim an unsharded EVE" - so what?)
Of course, people would get used to having much fewer problems with lag and the other problems with EVE would begin to show (general buginess, crappy UI, crappy PVE ...).
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Firkragg
PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2008.03.01 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus * Pro: would give headroom and fix lag problems for a while ... I am really in favor of the idea to split the server
* Con: nothing really, all the arguments against it are extremely narrow-minded ("I don't want it because it's always been one server", "CCP wants to claim an unsharded EVE" - so what?)
Of course, people would get used to having much fewer problems with lag and the other problems with EVE would begin to show (general buginess, crappy UI, crappy PVE ...).
No your not getting why log term eve players play eve. Its the drama and the politics. When was the last time you saw a magazine report on the actions of a clan in WOW? They dont because it only effects a subset of people who play wow. In eve though dramatic things like the current large scale war etc effect everyone and knowing that all the players are mixed up in that story is part of the draw. Imagine how it would suck if one of the servers was all quiet and in a nap period with no large political movements (which happens sometimes) and the other server was having epic stuff going on.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.03.01 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 01/03/2008 22:57:46
Originally by: Roxanna Kell Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 01/03/2008 20:59:41
CCP has introduced serenity server in China, in accordance with Chinese MMORPG laws. Fair enogh, since CCP doesn't even deal with running it.
EVE Pridae it self being a single server were all the people in the world connect to a single world to fight each other, and why shouldn't they? its a great achievment.
But, I wounder why would a second server be bad, we can clearly see the benefits of it: *TQ population growth decreases, Giving enogh time for a solution. *Brand new world for those new subscribers that refused to sign up because of lag, and went back to wow. etc..............
I have no idea how much it will cost to set up a new server, and if CCP can afford it, But its better to generate more money from a new server than spend more on advertisment and hope that 1 in 10 trials sign up to the lag fest we live in at the momment, its everywere, 0.0/empire/low sec. *there will always be people joining TQ to paly with friends
I am intrested in hearing your opinions on the matter, but please leave the fact of me being in BOB out of it thank you very much.
Second server will be bad because we all will not live on the same persistent world anymore. We have then degraded to the same level as any other all-too-common online games. I would rather use the extra servers to increase the number of nodes or for many brand new regions!
Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Firkragg
No your not getting why log term eve players play eve. Its the drama and the politics.
Speak for yourself, I made my first char on 2003-05-15 ...
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When was the last time you saw a magazine report on the actions of a clan in WOW? They dont because it only effects a subset of people who play wow.
Bull****, lots of WoW guilds are famous even though they are limited to single servers, because they beat some bosses first etc.
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In eve though dramatic things like the current large scale war etc effect everyone and knowing that all the players are mixed up in that story is part of the draw. Imagine how it would suck if one of the servers was all quiet and in a nap period with no large political movements (which happens sometimes) and the other server was having epic stuff going on.
Each server would have its own political setting, map, wars, power blocks... No problem at all, just like in all the games that admit to being sharded. You are just too narrow-minded to allow for such a situation.
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus * Pro: would give headroom and fix lag problems for a while ... I am really in favor of the idea to split the server
* Con: nothing really, all the arguments against it are extremely narrow-minded ("I don't want it because it's always been one server", "CCP wants to claim an unsharded EVE" - so what?)
Of course, people would get used to having much fewer problems with lag and the other problems with EVE would begin to show (general buginess, crappy UI, crappy PVE ...).
Ypu really don't have a clue about the technical requirements and the fact that splitting the server means creating 2 entirely different and independent instances of the same thing.
Lag? So when people start flourishing in both 2 newly created servers, and the monster appears again, you will demand another sharding?
Think before you post.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:04:00 -
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If there were two servers all of my accounts would be canceled. A second server solves nothing. There would still be 300+ man fleet fights and 700+ people in Jita, just less in the systems that aren't as crowded, which aren't a problem on TQ. So it's all cons and no pros to a second server.
CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Second server will be bad because we all will not live on the same persistent world anymore. We have then degraded to the same level as any other all-too-common online games.
Good example for irrational emo arguments. How will it be "degraded" just because it's different? Just say you don't like it to stay reasonable...
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I would rather use the extra servers to increase the number of nodes or for many brand new regions!
EVE doesn't scale well, all the hyped hardware upgrades in the past have shown this. 2 servers with 10 nodes each will give better performance per node than 1 server with 20 nodes. So it would help performance if the same number of nodes was used for several servers.
Of course we're arguing about something that'll never happen (until the players start leaving in droves due to lag), as CCP have said repeatedly that they won't change their standings on this (it's their best marketing argument - "unsharded").
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ypu really don't have a clue about the technical requirements
For making 2 servers? Who cares. It's doable.
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and the fact that splitting the server means creating 2 entirely different and independent instances of the same thing.
oh, that would be, like, uber or something. Never been done before. You guys ***** me up.
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Lag? So when people start flourishing in both 2 newly created servers, and the monster appears again, you will demand another sharding?
If even that doesn't work, CCP might as well give up and make Sim EVE (= Ambulation only).
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Pan Crastus
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix If there were two servers all of my accounts would be canceled.
The most-abused nonsensical argumentation in EVE... Translation: I'm against it, but can't argue it reasonably, so I will just threaten to cancel my accounts. LOL.
EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:14:00 -
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first page in Rox thread \o/
We need a PvE/'consensual' server imo. I declare it be called the "WoWinSpace Shard" so the people who are completely uninterested in PvP stop whining about "unfair game mechanics"
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: RedMajere No. The money would be better spent upgrading the single server, because if there were two servers EvE would lose its allure, the idea of being in the game with everyone you meet and therefore if someone ****es you off you can always go attack them no matter what. The greater population is good because it prevents places from becoming deserted so the need for them is not completely removed
Just my two ISK
Yet most of low sec and 0.0 is empty
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Ypu really don't have a clue about the technical requirements
For making 2 servers? Who cares. It's doable.
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and the fact that splitting the server means creating 2 entirely different and independent instances of the same thing.
oh, that would be, like, uber or something. Never been done before. You guys ***** me up.
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Lag? So when people start flourishing in both 2 newly created servers, and the monster appears again, you will demand another sharding?
If even that doesn't work, CCP might as well give up and make Sim EVE (= Ambulation only).
Thank you for showing that you know nothing and still like to pretend as if you have everything planned out.
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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:23:00 -
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sweet then we can have two Jitas that still lag
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Val Vympel
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:33:00 -
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I vote NO!
I want ALL of of my dysfunctional/sociopathic online family in the same house.
It is so much more warm and cozy this way.
Cheers
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Neth'Rae
Gallente Neth's Workshop
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:33:00 -
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Another server would split the community, EVE wouldn't be the same.. It's what makes the world of EVE feel unique, just knowing that there is only one EVE gate, only one of each system.. Not like in WoW where there are 50 different Dark Portals, and duplicates of everything.. It takes away focus from the World itself, and WoW is really a game which focuses more on different gameplay experiences. It's like a amusementpark, there are lots of them all over the world and people go there to have fun but have no connection to each other what-so-ever.. While EVE is more like well, a huge sandbox that there is only one of ;D? And if someone mentions it, everyone knows what sandbox he is talking about.. If there's anything going on, it's happening in that sandbox and everyone playing can take part in it if they want..
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Roy Batty68
Caldari Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Chirruper sweet then we can have two Jitas that still lag
That's basically it in a nutshell.
Even if they did make a second eve cluster in exactly the same configuration, there's no evidence that: - the playerbase would split even somewhat evenly - people wouldn't still blob up causing the same sort of lag
So Eve would lose one of its unique qualities for what gain?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.01 23:46:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Roxanna Kell Second thoughts, Bring the original Terran world, reopen the wormhole. IT will be a second server physically, linked to TQ somehow, And when you use the wormhole it transfers you to the other server, That would be a whole new game, new teechnology new ships, new races. Can only dream for the momment.
That'd be the only way of sharding the server that I could agree to.
Yeah because you and your corpies would be sitting on the wormhole picking off the ships.
do people on earth like long-limb roes?
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