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Wardeneo
Gallente BLL Wise Guys Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:46:00 -
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hi i was wandering what are peoples fav HICs?
i was looking on the forums and i saw loads of favourite ship threads, so i thought id join in lol
so whast is you fav HIC and why?
wardeneo
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Catelco
Segunda Fundacion
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Catelco on 21/02/2008 14:16:13 Edited by: Catelco on 21/02/2008 14:16:02 I see lots of people talking about broadsword... but not much about the others...
What about the devoter? How does it compare against the other ones?
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hedfunk
Caldari Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:30:00 -
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Well, i really like my Phobos having resists at all above 80%, with kinetic @ 93%, along with 17k armour :D
I might just invest in a slave set for uber lolz.
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Wardeneo
Gallente BLL Wise Guys Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:32:00 -
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Originally by: Catelco Edited by: Catelco on 21/02/2008 14:16:13 Edited by: Catelco on 21/02/2008 14:16:02 I see lots of people talking about broadsword... but not much about the others...
What about the devoter? How does it compare against the other ones?
Edit:typo
i like the devoter i think it looks good, cna blatently tank good
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NoNah
Tenth Legion Holdings Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:39:00 -
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I dare say, the devoter is the currently weakest of the hictors. With the Broadsword and Onyx in top.
Phobos seems to strike a suprising popularity among a certain portion of the playerbase.
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Twin blade
Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:43:00 -
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Edited by: Twin blade on 21/02/2008 14:45:27
Originally by: NoNah I dare say, the devoter is the currently weakest of the hictors. With the Broadsword and Onyx in top.
Phobos seems to strike a suprising popularity among a certain portion of the playerbase.
Whats not to like about the phobos its a massive Epeen in space.
I like the Broadsword the most but thats for alot of reasons the main one been the fact its on the best curiser hull in game.
If you was to do a poll i agree with NoNah that the Broadsword and Onyx would most likey tie for the top spot with the phobos coming a close 3rd.
Edit over all there is no real reason not to fly any of them since they all do there job great so its most likey just going to be based on looks for the fav. Death is great rember where all dying to get there. |
Perfect Diamond
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:47:00 -
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Passive Broadsword is the favorite hic in game. It's huge buffer and great regen make it hard to kill.
The devoter is cap dependent. I also believe it has trouble repping as much as the boadsword regens.
So in conclusion, I think most people use the Passive Broadsword.
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Monticore D'Muertos
Caldari United Society Starfleet
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:06:00 -
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nano broadsword, 5x 220s, wdf (scripted) mwd/web/4x large extender, gyro/3x speed mods 2x poly
is my favorite , makes a nice hac killer , switch the speed mods for pdus and it does wel vs most things, and yes i shouldnt be a solo ship but i don't have any friends.
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Wardeneo
Gallente BLL Wise Guys Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:22:00 -
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Originally by: Monticore D'Muertos nano broadsword, 5x 220s, wdf (scripted) mwd/web/4x large extender, gyro/3x speed mods 2x poly
is my favorite , makes a nice hac killer , switch the speed mods for pdus and it does wel vs most things, and yes i shouldnt be a solo ship but i don't have any friends.
i was waiting till some nanoed 1 :p
wardeneo
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SirDanceAlot
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:36:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah I dare say, the devoter is the currently weakest of the hictors. With the Broadsword and Onyx in top.
What a suprise that amarr gets the worst of the new ships like always. Its pre nerfed so it goes along with the rest of the crap ships like maller.
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Forty Three
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.02.21 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: NoNah I dare say, the devoter is the currently weakest of the hictors. With the Broadsword and Onyx in top.
What a suprise that amarr gets the worst of the new ships like always. Its pre nerfed so it goes along with the rest of the crap ships like maller.
What a surprise, Amarr whiners that don't know what they're talking about.
the devoter's tank is insane. It's like a sacrilege with two (!) extra low-slots. And if you're going to whine about the damage, look at the damage of the other heavy dictors before. They're not supposed to deal lots of damage.
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benzss
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 17:00:00 -
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I don't own a Phobos (yet) but I really wish it wasn't pink.
The thorax hull didn't need any more innuendo.
But in seriousness, I've seen a couple in action at a low-sec gatecamp - Broadsword and Devoter - and both performed admirably and easily coped with the damage being thrown at them, all while locking down near enough everything that came through the gate. Good ships, good piloting. Can't see much practical difference between them in a low-sec scenario, although the Broadsword's tank is probably a bit meaner.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 17:25:00 -
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Originally by: benzss I don't own a Phobos (yet) but I really wish it wasn't pink.
The thorax hull didn't need any more innuendo.
But in seriousness, I've seen a couple in action at a low-sec gatecamp - Broadsword and Devoter - and both performed admirably and easily coped with the damage being thrown at them, all while locking down near enough everything that came through the gate. Good ships, good piloting. Can't see much practical difference between them in a low-sec scenario, although the Broadsword's tank is probably a bit meaner.
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benzss
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen
Originally by: benzss I don't own a Phobos (yet) but I really wish it wasn't pink.
The thorax hull didn't need any more innuendo.
But in seriousness, I've seen a couple in action at a low-sec gatecamp - Broadsword and Devoter - and both performed admirably and easily coped with the damage being thrown at them, all while locking down near enough everything that came through the gate. Good ships, good piloting. Can't see much practical difference between them in a low-sec scenario, although the Broadsword's tank is probably a bit meaner.
Its only pink on classic
...seriously?
This is a great excuse to upgrade my pc!
Don't want to see that pink monstrosity even if I'm not too fussed about the graphics.
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Enkilil
Minmatar Carbon Moon Corporation Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Monticore D'Muertos nano broadsword, 5x 220s, wdf (scripted) mwd/web/4x large extender, gyro/3x speed mods 2x poly
is my favorite , makes a nice hac killer , switch the speed mods for pdus and it does wel vs most things, and yes i shouldnt be a solo ship but i don't have any friends.
i doubt that setup would be able to kill any hac tbh. Maaaaybe by a far stretch of the imagination a noob pilot in an Eagle, or a Deimos w/o drones.
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Megadon
Caldari Deathshead Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Forty Three
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: NoNah I dare say, the devoter is the currently weakest of the hictors. With the Broadsword and Onyx in top.
What a suprise that amarr gets the worst of the new ships like always. Its pre nerfed so it goes along with the rest of the crap ships like maller.
What a surprise, Amarr whiners that don't know what they're talking about.
the devoter's tank is insane. It's like a sacrilege with two (!) extra low-slots. And if you're going to whine about the damage, look at the damage of the other heavy dictors before. They're not supposed to deal lots of damage.
Do you fly one? No, I didn't think so...
It's not about damage, it has serious serious cap issues and cannot maintain the tank very long at all. So I fit 4 nos's to help that but still...
I also fly the Onyx, it is much much more sustainable.
On paper, the Devoter looks incredible, but in practice it's pretty bad. Typical Amarr.
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Adonai RisenStar
Gallente Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon
Originally by: Forty Three
Originally by: SirDanceAlot
Originally by: NoNah I dare say, the devoter is the currently weakest of the hictors. With the Broadsword and Onyx in top.
What a suprise that amarr gets the worst of the new ships like always. Its pre nerfed so it goes along with the rest of the crap ships like maller.
What a surprise, Amarr whiners that don't know what they're talking about.
the devoter's tank is insane. It's like a sacrilege with two (!) extra low-slots. And if you're going to whine about the damage, look at the damage of the other heavy dictors before. They're not supposed to deal lots of damage.
Do you fly one? No, I didn't think so...
It's not about damage, it has serious serious cap issues and cannot maintain the tank very long at all. So I fit 4 nos's to help that but still...
I also fly the Onyx, it is much much more sustainable.
On paper, the Devoter looks incredible, but in practice it's pretty bad. Typical Amarr.
make a buffer tank. with the high resists and 17k armor hp, you aren't gonna die any time soon which is more than enough time for the fleet to get the job done. what are you trying do? solo in your hictor? try flying in a gang.
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Perfect Diamond
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Posted - 2008.02.21 21:05:00 -
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But you ain't going to be able to be remote repped whereas the broadsword has a huge shield buffer and then regen to boot.
The extra two slots of the devoter over the sac mean nothing if you got to use both of them to acquire the same tank.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.02.21 23:20:00 -
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Onyx is my favourite hactor.
Because it can fit a good tank, has capless weaponry, and enough CPU for a probe launcher. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.21 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon
I also fly the Onyx, it is much much more sustainable.
On paper, the Devoter looks incredible, but in practice it's pretty bad. Typical Amarr.
No, it's entirely possible to tank 900 DPS (permanently) with the Devoter - and it has a *MUCH MUCH MUCH* smaller sig radius than the Broadword or Onyx.
I once posted the fit, and not even the Amarrian whiners had anything bad to say about it.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.02.21 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Megadon
I also fly the Onyx, it is much much more sustainable.
On paper, the Devoter looks incredible, but in practice it's pretty bad. Typical Amarr.
No, it's entirely possible to tank 900 DPS (permanently) with the Devoter - and it has a *MUCH MUCH MUCH* smaller sig radius than the Broadword or Onyx.
I once posted the fit, and not even the Amarrian whiners had anything bad to say about it.
-Liang
Devoter's also got the fastest locking of the lot. Despite all the whining, they really didn't get screwed on this ship class. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
Guillame Herschel
Gallente The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.02.22 00:36:00 -
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Broadsword tanks like a brick wall, with hardly any effort. I lost my first one in battle last weekend, and the KM said it took over 33K HP in damage before it popped. Before it went, I got on dozens of other killmails with the WDFG. It's a rather laid back role to have in a fleet, though. I got up once in the middle of battle to go use the bathroom, came back, still there, just a slight dent in the shield from anti-support fire. :) -- I need a sig -- |
Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.22 02:48:00 -
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Ok, fitting for pretty much max tank:
Onyx 5x HML II, WDFG 4x LSE II, Invuln II, Photon II 4x SPR II 2x CDFP I -- Tanks 1195 DPS -- Cap lasts: 3:00 -- Sig radius: 386.21 (Max skills)
Broadsword 5x 425mm AC II, WDFG 3x LSE II, 2x Invuln II, Ballistic II 4x SPR II 2x CDFP I -- Tanks 1228 DPS -- Cap lasts: 2:35 -- Sig radius: 336.91
Devoter 2x Dim Nos, 2x Unstable Neut, 1x Med Solace, WDFG LCB II, 2x Cap Recharger II 2x MAR II, Thermic II, 2x EANM II, ANP II, DC II 2x Aux Nano Pump I -- Tanks 922 DPS -- Cap lasts: indefinitely -- Sig radius: 210
If you really want, you can go ahead and put in 4 HP II and an offline solace repper, but I didn't see the point in it. It's obviously a gang ship.
Of course, as with all active tanks, it has problems with neuts.
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Horeta
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Posted - 2008.02.22 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Ok, fitting for pretty much max tank:
Onyx 5x HML II, WDFG 4x LSE II, Invuln II, Photon II 4x SPR II 2x CDFP I -- Tanks 1195 DPS -- Cap lasts: 3:00 -- Sig radius: 386.21 (Max skills)
Broadsword 5x 425mm AC II, WDFG 3x LSE II, 2x Invuln II, Ballistic II 4x SPR II 2x CDFP I -- Tanks 1228 DPS -- Cap lasts: 2:35 -- Sig radius: 336.91
-Liang
good tank, but not realistic: without mwd, and your cap dry to fast by using hardeners... and you still need to run bubble...
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.22 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Horeta
good tank, but not realistic: without mwd, and your cap dry to fast by using hardeners... and you still need to run bubble...
A HICtor is one of the few ships where there's a legitimate argument for not fitting a MWD... and regarding capacitor - that was my point.
The Devoter mounts a reasonably equivalent tank, and does so without cap problems.
-Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!) |
Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.02.22 03:21:00 -
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my view for the HIC's.
broadsword and the onyx are very equal, in terms you can get better resists out of the onyx and better shield regen out of the broadsword.
the phobos and the devoter are diferent however. due to the inherent fact that armor tankers don't need that much of medslots, you can use sensor boosters without compromising their tank that much. main diferences between both the devoter and the phobos is that the devoter can tank longer, altho it has 1 less med, and the phobos does more damage and 1 more med, but has kinda sucky cap.
in sum, if you want to tackle cap ships, the onyx and the broadsword are the best ones. doesn't matter wich one you pick. they are both good.
if you want a low-sec infini-point tackler, you go for either the phobos or the devoter. pretty much making a decision between better tank vs better firepower and scan res. Both are good in this part however, but because armor cannot passive regen, they can be a bit tricky to maintain during cap fleet fights.
so, you only need to pick one that suits the environment you are at. ---
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Megadon
Caldari Deathshead Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.22 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren Ok, fitting for pretty much max tank:
Onyx 5x HML II, WDFG 4x LSE II, Invuln II, Photon II 4x SPR II 2x CDFP I -- Tanks 1195 DPS -- Cap lasts: 3:00 -- Sig radius: 386.21 (Max skills)
Broadsword 5x 425mm AC II, WDFG 3x LSE II, 2x Invuln II, Ballistic II 4x SPR II 2x CDFP I -- Tanks 1228 DPS -- Cap lasts: 2:35 -- Sig radius: 336.91
Devoter 2x Dim Nos, 2x Unstable Neut, 1x Med Solace, WDFG LCB II, 2x Cap Recharger II 2x MAR II, Thermic II, 2x EANM II, ANP II, DC II 2x Aux Nano Pump I -- Tanks 922 DPS -- Cap lasts: indefinitely -- Sig radius: 210
If you really want, you can go ahead and put in 4 HP II and an offline solace repper, but I didn't see the point in it. It's obviously a gang ship.
Of course, as with all active tanks, it has problems with neuts.
-Liang
Sparky, youre not going to be nossing anyone for a long time without a webbie. Nice setup though, and no ****, it is a gang ship.
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Niffetin
Gallente Omni Research
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Posted - 2008.02.22 06:30:00 -
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Phobos. High scanres, perma-runs everything (Field Gen, Corpum Rep, Hardeners, Web, Sensor Boosters etc etc).
But propably will change to Devoter after I get Amarr Cruiser V as it has 100 more scan res over the Phobos but a bit less tank. --- Teeheee! mematar's Video Archive |
Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.22 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Megadon
Sparky, youre not going to be nossing anyone for a long time without a webbie. Nice setup though, and no ****, it is a gang ship. In EFT I don't come up with your figure of tanking 922 damage though, I get 798 and thats a big diff. Not sure what thats about.
Nice ideas on the setups, i'll try some of them out, thanks.
A couple of things: - Look into repping implants. The figures for the shield tanks also used implants. - The nos/neuts may be questionable, but I'd like to see how else you're going to get cap shy of a Guardian in the gang.
The Devoter is cap stable without the nos and neuts running.
-Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!) |
James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.02.22 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak my view for the HIC's.
broadsword and the onyx are very equal, in terms you can get better resists out of the onyx and better shield regen out of the broadsword.
Actually, that's a bit of a misconception. Both Broadsword and Onyx have exactly the same slot layout. Both Broadsword and Onyx get: 25% boost to all resists, 25% to one resist, 50% to another resist.
The difference is that Broadsword has the 50% on EM, 25% on thermal. The Onyx is 50% on thermal, 25% on kinetic.
But the only difference is the layout of those resists, and the fact that the Onyx is left with a 'low' resist of 25% EM, and the Broadsword is left with a low of 55% kinetic.
In general I think I prefer a well rounded resists profile, than have one where you need two colour specific hardeners to get it up to th same level.
That's of course, at the same time as the Broadsword having lower signature, and go faster too.
The Onyx does have more base shield though.
But *shrug*. For most purposes, I'd consider Broadsword to be superior, but since I've realised that the Onyx actually has a truly insane quantity of CPU, and can thus fit a probe launcher, I'm less bothered. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking? |
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