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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:14:00 -
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Looking for these? "Minor DNA mutators, with commonly made materials gained from bioreprocessing they would let you reroll your inital +5 bonus points but you lose a point first before gaining one takes about 2 weeks per point.
Major DNA mutators will reroll a players bloodline and ancestry, made from very rare materials from bioreprocessing, requires you to lose all points until the most common level of skill points are meet between the two blood lines, once common skill points are acheived the character will then gain points with the new bloodline. 1 point gain/loss per week."
Taken from "Planetary Medical Services" a part of "Fan-Project Planetfall"
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space fox
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 08:16:19 I started playing this game in beta 5. When retail came closer and closer, I tried to get everything right with my character. In 2003/2004 I really thought I went the right route. I got high intel/mem. I thought in the beginning that having high attributes in that field would serve me good because I knew I was just going to stay caldari and stay with missiles. Of coarse, that did change in 2004/2005 when I speced to fly the macherial and there were no more missile skills to train.
But after 4.5 years, I can honestly say im pretty embarrased at my career/attributes. Im also jealous of my alts attributes whos a achura. She has 28perc/26intel/24will/24mem/7char with LVl 5 skills / +4 implants, where as for me, I have 26in,20perc,20will,29mem,22char with +4s..
And you know whats pathetic is my career. Ts "Industry/Merchandisers/Engineer". IF I woulda know my career would be that, (since they didnt have that display feature in 2003) I woulda so went the other way and I only have 700k SP in Industry! But I did go that way for a reason. In 2003, it was all a rush, a rush to start training skills, a rush to get that head start in eve. I mean I was even ****ed off that I got eve 1 day after the euros did because of the release in US. So I went that route to get I think Electronics 3 or 4. ( I wish i woulda gotten Frigate Lvl 4 right off that back. Another reason I got high intel/memory was for learning skills and engineering. At the time there wasnt hardly any missile skills and there werent many ships at all. So I didnt really think that too far ahead but you know, I didnt think i would stay in this game for almost 5 years when I made my character.
So the whole point of this story is, are there any plans to allow veterans to AT LEAST change their career path (which is very doable roleplaying wise, people change careers all the time). At least give us that if you won't allow us to change our initial attribute selection. I think making a character permant for so long shouldnt be. People make mistakes and I for one had to suffer it for 5 years.
If you don't have any plans, make them now because careers should be changable at least once in a players life time. I would honestly pay a fee, real or ingame money wise, to allow me to change my initial attributes/career once. You can do something with this and make it possible.
I'm apparently a miner, yet I have almost perfect gunnery skills. Its somewhat embarrassing every time I open my character sheet. I'd actually pay an agent 100m to scrub this characters miner past from every data bank in eve, and think I had got the best bit of the deal.
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mama guru
Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.19 15:36:00 -
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While skilltraining in eve have a rather unique style or whatever you want to call it I agree.
When you implement new features into the game like the career choices and so on you need to concider that people before that never had the same choices, only way to properly reimburse them is to let them choose for themselves.
When they change the talent trees in WOW they will reimburse your talentpoints for free so you can spend them again just because blizzard ruined your FOTM spec, even if wow is very different from eve, why cant we have it here?
I was lucky in EVE tho, It's highly likely that I'd be in the same situation as Tank. But my brother who had played for a few months before I joined made me put my points into Perc/willpower and select a "career" for the federal navy academy etc. so my char turned out allright with 14int, 22perc, 11char, 17 will, 12 mem without any implants. basic learning skills are @ V(except for int which is @ IV) with advanced @lvl III
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:13:00 -
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So Tank you're telling me your accomplishment in your chosen field isn't enough? You now want everyone to be as broken a game feature as the achura?
My solution is way simpler, nerf the achura to the ground.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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BLAMMM
Minmatar Blue.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia If CCP wants to make some big bucks, they'd implement a once-in-a-character's-lifetime respec option, at the lowly price of 30 Euros.
I'd hit it.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Scrutt5
Dude (Marcus TheMartin) I have been reading the forums for a couple of hours this morning. Why do you persistantly post meaningless comments on umpteen threads ? How about the ability to individualy block numbnuts like this ccp so I dont have to constantly read his drivel.
Tank, would love the opportunity but cant see it happening.
1.Ctrl+F 2.Type in Marcus T 3.Click Next 4.If Marcus T is found cover eyes and scroll down screaming as clearly your time is so valuable that you spend it on a forum talking about internet spaceships 5.If Marcus T is not found jump for joy at your precious precious time has been saved
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Daelorn
Dark Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:51:00 -
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The only problem is some people will make chars with high intel/mem then train those skills then respec to a high perc/wp (or a balanced char) and train other skills.
Unless this would only apply to old chars from back in 03/04 that had no ******* idea what they were doing (Even if they thought they did )
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Merdaneth
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO But I did go that way for a reason. In 2003, it was all a rush, a rush to start training skills, a rush to get that head start in eve. I mean I was even ****ed off that I got eve 1 day after the euros did because of the release in US. So I went that route to get I think Electronics 3 or 4.
Well, it seems to me you just misjudged the situations. In your mad rush to be 'better' than others, you've undone yourself. You bet on the wrong horse. Tough luck mate, you gambled and lost. That happens to gamblers all the time.
The rest of your arguments ("I think making a character permant for so long shouldnt be") are purely motivated by your selfish desire to be 'better' than others, and I see no benefit to the game as a whole for these change.
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Vasili vonHolst
Minmatar Gargamel's Lair
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:03:00 -
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Make a new toon Want to see 100 Faction Battleships killed in one EVE Movie?ôCarebear sorrowsö - 500B in Carebear devastation
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Tank CEO
Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Tank CEO But I did go that way for a reason. In 2003, it was all a rush, a rush to start training skills, a rush to get that head start in eve. I mean I was even ****ed off that I got eve 1 day after the euros did because of the release in US. So I went that route to get I think Electronics 3 or 4.
Well, it seems to me you just misjudged the situations. In your mad rush to be 'better' than others, you've undone yourself. You bet on the wrong horse. Tough luck mate, you gambled and lost. That happens to gamblers all the time.
The rest of your arguments ("I think making a character permant for so long shouldnt be") are purely motivated by your selfish desire to be 'better' than others, and I see no benefit to the game as a whole for these change.
Character creation shouldn't be about risk. I made my character to the best of my knowledge of the game. For a time it was good, but the game has evolved extremely. I mean, its been 5 years and I havent made a post like this till now and all you guys are like OMG WHINE. Man, grow UP. This post is a suggestion to CCP. There are many ways they could make this possible and its a great oppurtunity for them. I think that this possible future feature should have restrictions. I mean, for myself, I wouldnt change much attribute wise.. I wouldnt go from 3 Intel/2mem (attribute selection) and ancestry +4 Memory to straight Perc/will. I would choose 3 perc/2will and ancestry would prolly be 3Intel/1 Perc. I would still keep Intel because it is usefull. I would prolly almost think of going 3perc/2intel.
Another way to do this is to make a skill that does +1 Perc but -1 Memory. Or +1 Intel but -1 charisma. CCP would have to figure out the balance of those skills tho. But that can be highly exploitable and honestly unfair. All I would like to see happen is the ability to change my ancestry/career and if possible my initial attributes. Have severe restirctions on them and a cost if you like. Make it so that only player 4years old can do this or 3 years old. Make it a 1 time thing only. As long as its balanced, its cool and ccp would have to decide on the balance.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:17:00 -
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The only two things that need to happen is a nerf of the achura and the introduction of more charisma based skills.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Tank CEO
Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:28:00 -
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They aren't going to nerf the new asian characters. They were built that way to help noobs catch up alittle to the veterans. IF anything, just adjust the old races/bloodlines to be more to date if your going to change something.
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Stela'Artois
Los Gordos
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:35:00 -
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The only reason I agree at all with being able to re-allocate attribute points, is due to the fact that no matter how much one studies before he plays a game, there is always that high possibility of making a big mistake when first rolling a character. How was I supposed to know that charisma was going to be worthless? Was I expected to fully grasp the concept that having balanced stats was more important in the long run? I thought I wanted to be a fighter and a high perception/willpower would be awesome! Oh well...some things can only be learned through experience.
Now, where EvE differs from other games, and the main reason I don't think re-allocating is as much a big deal, because all attributes do is effect the amount of time it takes to train, not the effect of that training.
Now, if we talk about reassigning skill points...then I am 100% against that. If Blizzard and WoW wants players to be able to wave a magic wand and sprinkle some pixie dust and you magically forget and then viola! relearn everything into a new profession, then more power to them. Part of playing EvE is the strategy of deciding which skills you want your character to specialize in, and even what you will avoid. Much of the advantage we have over other players lie in how we spend our time training, not only in what we did during that time.
In short, I have advantages over certain characters because I >chose< to spend some time training certain things. I have disadvantages in some areas because I neglected training in those areas. If I were able to change that EvE would be lessened greatly.
Im sorry your attributes suck...join the rest of the players who have to train a few skills a bit longer.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO They aren't going to nerf the new asian characters. They were built that way to help noobs catch up alittle to the veterans. IF anything, just adjust the old races/bloodlines to be more to date if your going to change something.
Seeing as the asian version fell flat on its ass I hope they reconsider. I'd puke on EVE if I two years down the line see the population being 90% achura, in whatever version of the Raven is the optimal grinder then.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Ridley Tree
The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2008.02.19 20:20:00 -
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Why doesn't someone tell me a good reason for why different characters should train skills at a different rate in EVE? Really. Come on now. This is EVE. You are stuck with your first go around 90% of the time. Why should we have in essence 'power-leveling' Achuras and 'normal' and 'gimped' characters?
Why should we all not have the same starting attributes, say 10s across the board and only have them modified by learning skills and implants? Someone who wants to play say, Intaki, basically has to accept being 'nerfed' from the get-go. You've got high starting charisma and your only useful skill bonus is +2Perc/+2 Charisma. So you've got take another nerf just to get a bonus to your low starting Perception. Seriously wtf? I've got to have my attributes in essence nerfed because I liked the Intaki backstory? Even so I ended up with 22 in Charisma, 22 in Memory and 23 in everything else. Not the worst thing in the world. But still my alt has better attributes. Hell my alt has more attributes.
My total is 113.3. My alt will end up with 114.4. Its only one more attribute. But really, why is this game set-up so that you can not only have a better distribution, but more in total than another character build? My Alt isn't even the super-optimized Achura. I went for high Perception and high Intel incase I ever felt the need to do industry things with him. All the same he trains everything faster than my main, outside of the leadership skills.
The only reason we've got attributes in the first place is likely because CCP felt they couldn't have an MMO without them. In EVE they don't serve a purpose outside of determining your skill training time. Why should some people simply end up with a real and tangible advantage over everyone else that you can not ever change. In other MMOs you shut down, re-roll and power-level yourself up to the level cap if your build was wrong. You can't do that in EVE. ____
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Tank CEO
Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:49:00 -
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Im not for relocating skill points.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.02.19 22:07:00 -
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I've been playing 2 years or so now (nowhere near as long) but there is one thing that completely bugs me about this character.... His utterly crap perception. i would gladly pay ú20 to allow me to move even 5 of my total attributes around, and then have it lock that option for 3/4 months, so i couldnt just do it again when i felt like it.
19 max perc just, hurts.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.20 00:45:00 -
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My main character (this one) has his best attributes as Memory, then Intel.
By the time I realized the mistake, I did not want to start over.
And to this day, I'm not to worried about it.
So I have 60mil Skill Points instead of 70 or 80 mil.....
Somehow I think I'll get by.....
Having said all that, I'd be perfectly happy to take advantage of a chance to change my attributes around a bit. But I'm not going to lose any sleep over the issue.
Play nice while you butcher each other.
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Tank CEO
Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 05:24:00 -
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You wouldn't be saying that now if you had the chance to have 20 more skillpoints then you have now. 20m skill points is alot of points.
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Shopping FTW
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Posted - 2008.02.20 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO You wouldn't be saying that now if you had the chance to have 20 more skillpoints then you have now. 20m skill points is alot of points.
Actually, I pretty much just did say it.
I'd LOVE to have those skill point. And with even a modest reshuffling of my attributes, I'd be 100% certain to earn five to ten million more skill points this year than I otherwise would...... But I'll make due.
Actually, I expect sometime in future we might get the option, but I seriously doubt it will be this year. But even if we don't get the option, I'll make do.
Still, those skill points would be nice. I have to confess that is true.
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.02.20 06:48:00 -
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Originally by: Scrutt5
Dude (Marcus TheMartin) I have been reading the forums for a couple of hours this morning. Why do you persistantly post meaningless comments on umpteen threads ? How about the ability to individualy block numbnuts like this ccp so I dont have to constantly read his drivel.
Tank, would love the opportunity but cant see it happening.
Go hunt down something called the CAOD Cleaner. I think the latest variant even lets you pick subforums. If not, you'll have to hand modify it. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Karma
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.02.20 10:09:00 -
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frankly, I wouldn't mind being able to choose another career-path/respec my attribute points. I did pretty much the same thing as Tank did. specced for maximum Int/Mem.
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Arria Periclee
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.20 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 19:00:00 Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 08:16:19 I started playing this game in beta 5. Blah de blah.
Think about a character name change, too.
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Tank CEO
Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Arria Periclee
Originally by: Tank CEO Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 19:00:00 Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 08:16:19 I started playing this game in beta 5. Blah de blah.
Think about a character name change, too.
Wha
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Jim Pooley
Seven.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO
Originally by: Arria Periclee
Originally by: Tank CEO Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 19:00:00 Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 08:16:19 I started playing this game in beta 5. Blah de blah.
Think about a character name change, too.
Wha
As you are clearly too thick to understand sarcasm, allow me to point it out for you.
Noone believes for one second you are the original TANK CEO. He was way way cooler and dignified than you are. You are no more the original TANK than I am. ------------------------------------------
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Tank CEO
Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.20 17:59:00 -
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I could care less about who you think i am, if im the original or not. People who know me know who I am and thats all that matters to me. The reason i reply to your pathetic post is I don't like ******** who think they know it all, post lies and go off topic.
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Frug
True Foundation R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:05:00 -
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I was apprehensive about the suggestion at first but the more I think about it the more I believe it would only be a good thing to give people some way to adjust their attribute points.
The "DNA mutator" nova fox suggests on the first page sounds great to me.
Whoever suggested shuffling SP is a douche though.
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Lost True
Caldari Paradise project
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:13:00 -
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Maybe for noobs(for new caracters, less than a month in game)... but reassign stats just like that... NO. P.s. yes, LT is achura, this is alt, and my main have 28 intel and 7+ mil in missiles. and i dont'care. but since i've trained them with bad perc, i can be wery angry because i haven't train all engineering first and now with new career train missiles with high perc also...
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Tank CEO Im not for relocating skill points.
I am confused... you are asking to have your race and starting path changed because you have more knowledge now on what would be best for what you ended up being... but you don't want to relocate (Reallocate?) skill points... so your change would have little affect on your past, just on your future... how long it will take to train that next skill point, not the skills you trained a week ago.
If you are actually asking that youÆre starting stats (Race and Back Ground Story) to be modified, and then your past training reflect that change, then in fact you are asking for the Reallocation of skills.
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Frug
True Foundation R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast
I am confused... you are asking to have your race and starting path changed because you have more knowledge now on what would be best for what you ended up being... but you don't want to relocate (Reallocate?) skill points... so your change would have little affect on your past, just on your future... how long it will take to train that next skill point, not the skills you trained a week ago.
If you are actually asking that youÆre starting stats (Race and Back Ground Story) to be modified, and then your past training reflect that change, then in fact you are asking for the Reallocation of skills.
lol I dunno what's confusing about this to you, but you best not worry about it too much .
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