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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.15 21:57:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/02/2008 22:01:37
Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/02/2008 22:01:12
 Originally by: Donna Maria
Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 21:17:52
Originally by: Le Skunk
The offers still open to run my mwd cloak exploiting alt cleanly past your camp, if youd care to tell me where you operate, HICS or no. SKUNK
Come to Syndicate. U will find us :)
Well..
1) Your talking about 0.0, which if you had been reading this thread you would have realised we are talking about low sec (you cant use bubbles either anchored or HIC/ interdictor).
Perhaps this misconception is why you are maintaing it is so easy to kill the mwd cloak exploiter?
2) You have chosen not to post with your main, so It would be pretty pointless coming to look for "us" as I have no idea who you are.
SKUNK
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Donna Maria
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:16:00 -
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Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 22:18:48
Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 22:16:40
1: ) U whine about the 'exploit' but you live in Low-sec, where tools to counter this cannot be used by 'game design'. You probably hate warp core stabs also. Cloaks impose limitations on those that use them. Never said it was easy to kill them. It shouldnt be easy. Not even in low sec with a scurvy gate camp. He has to do specific things in the correct way to evade you. This is how it should be. Lag or a mistake and he is dead. You make it sound like you have 0 chance, but if you got positioned correctly and had drones/etc around the gate to keep him from cloaking you would be able to stop him.
Live with limitations of empire or leave.
2: ) Come to Syndicate, look for me in Local (about 1-2 jumps in). Think you will make it ?
U fail at imagination..
the rest.. words and whine.. Adapt pyrate. 
Im the girl momma warned you about..
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.15 23:26:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 15/02/2008 23:27:43
Originally by: Donna Maria
Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 22:18:48
Edited by: Donna Maria on 15/02/2008 22:16:40
1: ) U whine about the 'exploit' but you live in Low-sec, where tools to counter this cannot be used by 'game design'. You probably hate warp core stabs also. Cloaks impose limitations on those that use them. Never said it was easy to kill them. It shouldnt be easy. Not even in low sec with a scurvy gate camp. He has to do specific things in the correct way to evade you. This is how it should be. Lag or a mistake and he is dead. You make it sound like you have 0 chance, but if you got positioned correctly and had drones/etc around the gate to keep him from cloaking you would be able to stop him.
Live with limitations of empire or leave.
2: ) Come to Syndicate, look for me in Local (about 1-2 jumps in). Think you will make it ?
U fail at imagination..
the rest.. words and whine.. Adapt pyrate.
Well youve been outed as a troll (if that wasnt already obvious from your constant trolling over multiple threads)
Like the other trolls in this thread, it soon transpires that you dont even live in low sec, instead live in 0.0 and are dependant on bubbles for your kills.
This is all very nice, but one wonders then why you are posting your genius advice in a thread about low sec gate camping?
Your chest beating and 'come to 0.0 and find me like a real man' stance is laughable, and again is derailing the thread. Your posting with an alt, are to cowardly to post with your main, and therefore will never be take seriously. Indeed , I had ignored your more idiotic trolls, and only chose to refer to you when you made it obvious you were (like many of the other trolls) a 0.0er.
Your point about warp core stabs is wrong. Warp core stabs were designed to facilitate escape from camps, and had to be used in large quantities severly gimping both the lock time, tank, and cargohold of your ship as a penalty. I, contrary to your assertion, think the introduction of the HIC was severe overkill by ccp.
However the cloak was never designed to allow battlships to insta warp. Its been used to do so against what it was originaly intended to do so. It does not 'impose limitations on those who use them' in any real quantities.
This abuse takes only 1 top slot, 1 million isk, and can be fit to a fully combat ready ship - and enable you to evade low sec gate camps, baring a fluke uncloak or a big fat finger syndrome.
As for your oh so orignal idea about drones, why dont you go to a gate, move 12km away from the gate, and then zoom out a bit.... Look at what area you will be uncloaking.... now look at the huge expanse around you.... now consider how many ships you would need for this to even have a 50% chance of uncloaking the enemy.
SKUNK
EDIT (oh and before you say it.. no you cant jettison lots of cans around the gates)
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Donna Maria
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.16 03:45:00 -
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Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. Waaaaaaaaa (Cry me a river)
Troll > You
Im the girl momma warned you about..
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Leyalor Esperence
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2008.02.16 04:58:00 -
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Edited by: Leyalor Esperence on 16/02/2008 05:04:06
Originally by: Donna Maria
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. Waaaaaaaaa (Cry me a river)
Troll > You
Perhaps you didn't realise, but these forums have rules.
Forum Rules
I draw your attention to rules 4, 6, 7 and 20.
Stop posting.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.16 05:26:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 16/02/2008 05:29:29
Edited by: Le Skunk on 16/02/2008 05:27:21
Originally by: Donna Maria
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.. Waaaaaaaaa (Cry me a river)
Troll > You
Now U fail at imagination :) Furthermore ignored.
Now, so far the people who have had serious objections to the OP's points have been
a) A 0.0 er who depends on bubbles to hunt and has never hunted in low sec.
b) A guy wiho hunts in high sec and has had two afk high sec kills in two months.
c) an ex pirate who has never seen the trick done before (come back to the dark side!)
d) ANOTHER 0.0er (this time with added extra troll) who resorted back to trolling when his pathetic points were crushed like tiny bugs.
e) A selection of ranters with a ! for a portrait.
The ones who agree this is an abuse of the intended function of the cloak seem to have a common trait.... wait for it.... they actualy operate in low sec and know what they are talking about?
My offers to run my mwdcloak exploiting alt past the gatecamps of such experts were met with stony silence.
So again CCP (hows about some sort of comment guvnor, either way) when you introduced cloaks into the game, was it with the intention of using the breaking effect of the cloak to allow combat fitted battleships to insta warp cleanly across low sec? Or is this an abuse of its intended function? If so , what do you intend to do about it.
SKUNK
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.16 14:19:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 16/02/2008 14:19:18
Originally by: Le Skunk
Refers to moderated post - Mitnal
Now, so far the people who have had serious objections to the OP's points have been
a) A 0.0 er who depends on bubbles to hunt and has never hunted in low sec.
b) A guy wiho hunts in high sec and has had two afk high sec kills in two months.
c) an ex pirate who has never seen the trick done before (come back to the dark side!)
d) ANOTHER 0.0er (this time with added extra troll) who resorted back to trolling when his pathetic points were crushed like tiny bugs.
e) A selection of ranters with a ! for a portrait.
The ones who agree this is an abuse of the intended function of the cloak seem to have a common trait.... wait for it.... they actualy operate in low sec and know what they are talking about?
My offers to run my mwdcloak exploiting alt past the gatecamps of such experts were met with stony silence.
So again CCP (hows about some sort of comment guvnor, either way) when you introduced cloaks into the game, was it with the intention of using the breaking effect of the cloak to allow combat fitted battleships to insta warp cleanly across low sec? Or is this an abuse of its intended function? If so , what do you intend to do about it.
SKUNK
Frag warping has been around for a long long time most of TI have been using it regularly for ages in low sec or non bubbled 0.0 as we tend to go for cloaking fleets anyway.
You still get plenty of kills on your low sec gate camps so i suggest you suck it up and chill as theres plenty of modules in the game to help low sec tacklers but very few that actualy help the guys you hunt.
PS: I personaly do not consider this an exploit as you need to practice it and get it exactly right or you will still get caught and that makes it a skillful manouever not a guranteed exploit.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:25:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 16/02/2008 15:25:20
Originally by: HEY LISTEN
Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 16/02/2008 14:45:47
Unless you are very unlucky and you decloak from your gatejump right next to a ship that stops you from recloaking the "frag warp" makes you uncatchable in low sec if done correctly no matter how high scan res ppl have. But you have to get things in order and get your timing right or you will get caught.
Frag warping has been around for a long long time most of TI have been using it regularly for ages in low sec or non bubbled 0.0 as we tend to go for cloaking fleets anyway.
You (or us as my main is -10 although i work in both low and 0.0 space) low sec pirates still get plenty of kills on your low sec gate camps so i suggest you suck it up and chill as theres plenty of modules in the game to help low sec tacklers but very few that actualy help the guys you hunt.
I personaly do not consider this an exploit as you need to practice it and get it exactly right or you will still get caught and that makes it a skillful manouever not a guranteed exploit.
Thanks for the reasoned post.
People will note this is ANOTHER person who correctly states that using this 'abuse' "makes you uncatchable in low sec if done correctly no matter how high scan res ppl have"
This person, along with the others who have correctly stated that this tactic has no counter baring a fluke uncloak) - Has operated in low sec, has seen it done, and indeed, his corporation HAS DONE IT MANY TIME THEMSELVES.
I would have to disagree that it is a skillfull manauever which needs practice. It took me three goes to get the hang of it. Its simply a case of
click click - f1 - f2 - f1 - click
The timing element - involves waiting for a green bar to turn red - Its not rocket science (sic)
Your reference to, "its been happeneing for ages now" is not an excuse for this abuse to continue... nay It FURTHER COMPOUNDS the abuse. And further DEMANDS a response from ccp.
CCP - WAS IT YOUR INTENTION WHEN YOU BROUGHT IN CLOAKS THAT THEY SHOULD ACT AS A RAPID BREAK IN CONJUNCTION WITH A MWD TO ALLOW SOME OF THE SLOWEST SHIPS IN THE GAME TO INSTA WARP? OR IS THIS AN UNINTENDED ABUSE OF THE MECHANICS
SKUNK
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benzss
Twisted Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.16 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Astradamus
Quote:
In a belt (killing the occasional noob in a mining cruiser)
C'mon, thats what ganking is all about, isn't it? If youd choose fights you could propably loose,
your pirate career would be over soon.
Hey now, be fair, plenty of pirates are more than happy to engage against the odds just to see what'd happen.
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HEY LISTEN
i swear this is true
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Posted - 2008.02.16 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 16/02/2008 16:30:21
Originally by: Le Skunk
People will note this is ANOTHER person who correctly states that using this 'abuse' "makes you uncatchable in low sec if done correctly no matter how high scan res ppl have".
LOL ive noticed a lot of posts on here from ppl who obviously have feck all idea what we are talking about when we talk about the "frag warp" as their solutions are not even close to being viable.
When i was taught this and when i now teach it to newer members of our alliance we say that if you can catch us we will give X ammount of billions of iskies to them if they can lock and scram us. They normaly fit buckets of sensor boosters on one sort of hac/recon or another with remote boosters from buddies as well lol and spend 10 minutes or so setting up their overviews and screens for that extra couple of nano seconds of locking speed.
But its just not possable to lock the "frag warping" ship if he does it correctly, because of the way the mechanics works you are actualy in warp before the cloak has finished fully dropping and you are lockable, even though it does not look like it on the lockers view screen or overview therefore if you do it right you are gone before they can lock you even if it does not look like it.
Like i said we have been using this for so long its hard to remember when we started using it (for obvious reasons we kept it to ourselves) and this is the first thread ive seen about it although i tend to only read caod.
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Joachim Kato
Xenobytes
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Posted - 2008.02.16 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: HEY LISTEN
LOL ive noticed a lot of posts on here from ppl who obviously have feck all idea what we are talking about when we talk about the "frag warp" as their solutions are not even close to being viable.
Bingo!
at them whorum e-peen waggers and self proclaimed PRO's who are among these.
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Thurken
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Posted - 2008.02.16 23:02:00 -
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Uhm uhm jetcans uncloak ships right?
Why not make a curtain of jetcans to increase the chance to block a ship from cloaking?
Sorry I am new to this game. Is this a good idea?
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Joachim Kato
Xenobytes
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Posted - 2008.02.16 23:48:00 -
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Originally by: Thurken
Uhm uhm jetcans uncloak ships right?
Why not make a curtain of jetcans to increase the chance to block a ship from cloaking?
Sorry I am new to this game. Is this a good idea?
It's considered as a sploit therefore you might get banned for that.
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.02.17 16:43:00 -
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U whine about the 'exploit' but you live in Low-sec, where tools to counter this cannot be used by 'game design'.
haha so its our fault!
wonder what you were saying about wt15 or sniper bs or...
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Rascael
Perpetua Umbra
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2008.02.17 16:53:00 -
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It would seem the argument here, is that a million isk module ( cloak), gives a slow, lumbering,120 million isk ship, the ability to avoid being stopped by 400,000 isk modules (Web and Scram) fitted on a 8 million isk ship
The ability to move through gatecamps with a cloak is timing dependant. Nanoes and I-Stabs are still required to raise the chances your battleship will make it through. If a cloak is viewed as an I-Win exploit to gatecamps, then Scrams and Webs should perhaps be looked at also.... perhaps chance based like ecm?
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Ja'kar
MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.02.17 17:26:00 -
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Scrams and Webs should perhaps be looked at also
Ok I can see your point - what about anti- cloaking mod's (and this use of cloak - is it an exploit?)
What mods? an sb type or bubble (that can be used in low sec)
to the op I hope this is not to far of topic
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Cypress Cavalero
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:04:00 -
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Edited by: Cypress Cavalero on 17/02/2008 18:06:02
absoulutley agree that this should stay in game.
gate blobs are annyoing as hell so yeah a solo bs should be able to mwd and insta warp, what do you want the pilot to do? fight your 100man blob? LMFAO a blobber who wines on forum liek the way any that anything in eve works affects people like you as long as you have 100 people pressing f1-f8 90 percent of the time you still win rite?
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Niffetin
Gallente
Omni Research
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Posted - 2008.02.17 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Niffetin on 17/02/2008 18:09:41
Le Skunk is correct.
And like some have said, it's impossible to catch a person with MWD + Cloak in lowsec if they have even the least bit of clue on what to do with them..
And for the first time, I agree with nerfing this.
It's absolutely overpowered in lowsec.
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