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SoapyTits
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.13 11:35:00 -
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Two things: 1. Buff Its not only the Myrmidon, alot of gallente ships are missing the 1 slot.
2. Redesign Hulltanking should be more viable, more modules and better ones. |
Katherine Starlight
Apex Tech Xenogenesis Alliance
12
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Posted - 2012.02.13 13:13:00 -
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Did you miss the hybrid buff?
And hulltanking doesent have anything to do with gallente specificly. |
Smabs
Higher Than Everest BricK sQuAD.
36
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Posted - 2012.02.13 15:03:00 -
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Gallente as a whole really doesn't need a buff.
Maybe some specific gallente ships need some more work. Definitely not the whole race. |
Belthazor4011
Battle BV
9
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Posted - 2012.02.13 19:35:00 -
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Hey I'd love an extra slot on the Myrm but really it doesnt need one, if you're not convinced the Myrm is good already you've not done your homework. |
Verity Sovereign
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:55:00 -
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The active armor tank bonuses need to go, There are multiple ships with the slot layout to go either way (shield or armor), and I think that should be encouraged.
The active rep bonuses are just crap IMO. I'd rather have the Amarr/Caldari resist bonuses.
Basically at lvl 5 you have 33% more buffer and 33% more effective reps from local and incoming reps with the resist bonus
With the armor rep bonus, you have no more buffer, and only 37.5% more effective reps for local reps only. FAIL
At least the Phobos uses a resist bonus instead of a rep bonus. I'd prefer the bonus to be something that doesn't bias toward armor or shield (something like a bonus to increase applied DPS, ie more gank instead of tank), but if it must be a tanking bonus, make it a resist and not rep bonus.
Other ships: The Myrm should get a bandwidth of 100. Without bonuses guns, and the same drone DPS, its just a tankier version of the Vexor, with a little more flexibility due to a larger drone bay. Compare that to the step up in DPS you get from other BCs, (while also improving tank), and its just substandard for a tier 2 ship.
Thorax/Diemost: The MWD bonus isn't all that great, more cap... ok. I'd propose making it a compound bonus (much like the drone damage & HP bonus), ie: -5% to MWD sig radius and cap penalty per level (or just: -5% to MWD penalties per level). So at lvl 5 when Experimental 10 MN MWD is fitted: the -19% cap penalty is turned into a 6% cap bonus (ie -19 +25 = 6) the 500% sig radius penalty is turned into a 325% sig radius penatly (ie .75 * 500).
Now, due to the smaller sig, its going to take less damage when closing the distance using that MWD. I think it would be a great improvement to what I consider a lackluster bonus. |
Firh
Duct Solutions
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 20:56:00 -
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As a Gallente/Minmatar pilot I think Gallente is fairly strong now. They have a few ships that could use adjustments or even entire revamps but all in all Gallente offers a pretty solid line-up as far as PvP goes.
If CCP opts to remove the resistance bonus on the Drake and add a RoF bonus instead I wouldn't mind if CCP did something similar to the Myrmidon. Preferably I'd like to see them replace the repair bonus with a bandwidth one or hybrid turret damage (essentially making it a mini-Dominix).
Gallente EWAR needs to be looked at too, currently sensor dampener bonused ships are seeing very little use and when they are put to use the EWAR bonuses are being utilized very poorly or not at all.
There are a few other things on my wish list, such as making drone boat hulls like the Vexor a little less costly to compensate for the cost of making proper use of the drone bays but really, that's nitpicking. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
42
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:03:00 -
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Where have you been? Gallente has become extremely viable. A boost for the entire race would probably make Gallente ships overpowered. EWAR needs to be tweaked a bit but for the most part Gallente have solid ships for every ship class.
Even before the buff I though they were pretty useful. Sure blasters were disappointing but Myrmidons and Dominix's are probably among the most versatile ships in the game. |
Orcirk
The Baros Syndicate
1
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Posted - 2012.02.13 23:08:00 -
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Katherine Starlight wrote: And hulltanking doesent have anything to do with gallente specificly.
Gallente have the most hull HP, and the best slot layouts for hull tanking (a mix of extra lows and mids, with an emphasis on lows. Hull reppers go in mid slots and DCs/reinforced bulkheads go in the lows)
We also currently have an armor tanking race, a shield tanking race, and a race that does a bit of everything. It's fairly obvious that gallente were, at some point, supposed to hull tank. |
Jack Miton
Lapse Of Sanity Exhale.
120
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Posted - 2012.02.14 01:32:00 -
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no it doesnt...
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mecubed
The Scope Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.02.14 01:48:00 -
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Gallente suffer from pg issues. You cant fit a 1600 plate on a thorax with a mwd and medium guns. Yet you can do it with the rupture easily, fit medium guns and still have some left over. The best fit for a rax is shield which is rather sad, and its slower than minnie ships.
Brutix, you can do it with the smallest medium guns and a mwd.
So yeah pg is an issue and considering that gallente blasters require you to be in someones face, its disturbing to see how minnie ships easily out run them and come with longer range guns.
Rails still suck. |
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Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
383
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:10:00 -
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Jack Miton wrote:no it doesnt...
well gallente ships always had the extra hull.
but I think it was for hedonistic purposes. [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
Ticket Stub
0
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:21:00 -
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mecubed wrote:Almost all non-minmatar ships suffer from pg issues.
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Alara IonStorm
1564
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:41:00 -
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mecubed wrote:Gallente suffer from pg issues. You cant fit a 1600 plate on a thorax with a mwd and medium guns. Yet you can do it with the rupture easily, fit medium guns and still have some left over. The best fit for a rax is shield which is rather sad, and its slower than minnie ships. That is not entirely true. It can not fit one base but a single Powergrid Rig will allow it to fit one while the larger natural Gal Buffer makes up the EHP loss.
[Thorax, 1600mm Thorax] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
The recent buff allows you to put on Electron II's with a 1600mm Plate so long as you give up a Trimark Armor Pump for an ACR.
Thanks to a higher Base HP it gets 37000 EHP to the Ruptures 40000 HP but the trade off is worth it for the Higher Damage. The Thorax's extra range does not come into play with both setups being brawlers designed to get close and personal being that a Scram / Web Rupture is not built for Kiting like its Shield Counter Part.
The thing is that despite the Rupture fitting 220mm Auto's a Thorax with Electrons using Faction Ammo will out Dmg a Rupture with just Guns whilst having the option to fit Hammers / Valks for more DPS, a mix of Warriors / ECM Drones or even Warriors and a Web Drone gives the Thorax a good Gallante utility to make up for the Small Neuts / Rockets put in the Ruptures spare slots. The loss of an Armor Rig allows it to keep a pretty good pace being only 8m/s slower then the Armor Rupture.
The new Armor Thorax is a massive improvement over the old Armor Setups thanks to the PG Buff but on that note Cruisers themselves are slated to receive more EHP, Speed, Fitting and utility as per the CSM Minutes and recent Dev Posts on the subject. I have a feeling I am going to be flying more Thorax's in my future. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:48:00 -
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Alara IonStorm wrote:....
I'm skittish of the Electron Thorax against a dual neut Rupture. IMO the only way this is winnable is if you get lucky on ECM drone jams.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Alara IonStorm
1564
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Posted - 2012.02.14 02:59:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:.... I'm skittish of the Electron Thorax against a dual neut Rupture. IMO the only way this is winnable is if you get lucky on ECM drone jams. -Liang When you say the Duel Neut Ruppy do you mean the 425mm Shield version because the Armor one has to fit smalls. I don't think that could drain out the Thorax Capacitor in time since it is about a 3rd larger.
If in a gang with web tackle you could mitigate that by running a small Capbooster instead with Navy 400mm Charges instead of a Web. |
Pink Marshmellow
Caucasian Culture Club Narwhals Ate My Duck
14
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:18:00 -
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Man if you guys think the thorax is bad, you should try flying the ******* omen, its lack of powergrid and the fact that a maller with autocannons are better really says something.
The maller and omen are so lame that everyone forgets that they exists or never mention it. |
Alara IonStorm
1564
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Posted - 2012.02.14 03:22:00 -
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Pink Marshmellow wrote:Man if you guys think the thorax is bad, you should try flying the ******* omen, What was my old Sig again... Oh yeah! It was something like this.
I am on a Crusade to fix the Omen.
I can not wait to see what they do with it. |
To mare
Advanced Technology
20
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Posted - 2012.02.14 10:05:00 -
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it's like 1 year i say hull tank should be revamped in a way to boost gallente.
remove the speed penalties to bulkheads, add a targeting range penalty maybe blaster boat dont need alot of lock range. (rp reason they reduce the electronics on board for more hp). adjust the fitting requirements, since they require a bit too much cpu to be fitted properly. buff theyr HP bonus properly so they can achieve a comparable buffer to armor and shield tanking ships w/o rigs (or add hull tanking trimark). reduce the hull repair cost
in this way all the hull tanking ship get an overall 10-15% (depending on skills) over the armor tanked ship (plates + trimarks) and some agility benefits too
gallente ships are the only one that would benefit about this change since are the one with the biggest hull hp to start with and bulkheads work via +% and they still get the ability to be proper armor tanking ship if the situation require so. basically its not a nerf or a change to anything we already have but just 1 more option.
the only change i see it could be done but probably would **** someone is to change some repair bonus to a + hull hp bonus but i know alot of people that like theyr triple rep myrm or dual rep hype but on ships like the brutix i would love a bonus like that more than a tracking bonus hell even the thorax hull bonus to mwd changed to a hull hp would be more useful |
Mike Whiite
Progressive State
14
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Posted - 2012.02.14 11:12:00 -
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To mare wrote:it's like 1 year i say hull tank should be revamped in a way to boost gallente.
remove the speed penalties to bulkheads, add a targeting range penalty maybe blaster boat dont need alot of lock range. (rp reason they reduce the electronics on board for more hp). adjust the fitting requirements, since they require a bit too much cpu to be fitted properly. buff theyr HP bonus properly so they can achieve a comparable buffer to armor and shield tanking ships w/o rigs (or add hull tanking trimark). reduce the hull repair cost.................
Why would you put a penalty on it at all????
You're making it a useless pennalty anyway. It's like putting a tracking penalty on a industrial ship.
Not that I'm against taking a look at some ships and their usefullness in the game, but it makes no sence, not gamewise and not RP wise.
you're explanations open the way for nano's that don't get a hp penalties. you just remove some electronics you don't need anyway.
Problem of most of the solutions placed on these forums, is that they just put another ship/tactic at the bottum instead of making the ships competitive |
Akrasjel Lanate
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
588
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Posted - 2012.02.14 12:36:00 -
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SoapyTits wrote:Two things: 1. Buff Its not only the Myrmidon, alot of gallente ships are missing the 1 slot. 2. Redesign Hulltanking should be more viable, more modules and better ones. God |
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GreenSeed
18
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Posted - 2012.02.14 12:40:00 -
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Orcirk wrote:Katherine Starlight wrote: And hulltanking doesent have anything to do with gallente specificly.
Gallente have the most hull HP, and the best slot layouts for hull tanking (a mix of extra lows and mids, with an emphasis on lows. Hull reppers go in mid slots and DCs/reinforced bulkheads go in the lows) We also currently have an armor tanking race, a shield tanking race, and a race that does a bit of everything. It's fairly obvious that gallente were, at some point, supposed to hull tank. thats quite the logical jump. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2012.02.14 15:41:00 -
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GreenSeed wrote:Orcirk wrote:Katherine Starlight wrote: And hulltanking doesent have anything to do with gallente specificly.
Gallente have the most hull HP, and the best slot layouts for hull tanking (a mix of extra lows and mids, with an emphasis on lows. Hull reppers go in mid slots and DCs/reinforced bulkheads go in the lows) We also currently have an armor tanking race, a shield tanking race, and a race that does a bit of everything. It's fairly obvious that gallente were, at some point, supposed to hull tank. thats quite the logical jump.
Those saying Gallente hull tanking is a lie never flown Taranis |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
129
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:21:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Alara IonStorm wrote:.... I'm skittish of the Electron Thorax against a dual neut Rupture. IMO the only way this is winnable is if you get lucky on ECM drone jams. -Liang
If that's the only losing scenario you could think of wrt to Alara's fit, then I'll consider that a win for the Electron Thorax. Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
135
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Posted - 2012.02.14 17:53:00 -
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Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
34
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:37:00 -
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This is ridiculous. Learn to fly in small gangs. Active armor bonuses are quite useful. The problem is that you're trying to tank them like they're Amarr ships in the first place.
Amarr and Caldari for prolonged slugfests. Minmatar and Gallente for Skirmishing.
Let me break this down. Minmatar and Gallente fleets are not designed to go toe to toe against Caldari and Amarr fleets. The resist bonuses on Caldari/Amarr boats give their fleets a serious advantage when it comes to sustaining damage over long periods of time, as happens in large fleet battles or during missions/incursions. However, the boats that do have those bonuses are also seriously gimped in viable speed (armor plates/rigs) or damage (missiles take the longest by far to apply their damage.) This is where Gallente and Minmatar ships really shine.
Gallente active armor rep bonus is a godsend when roaming in small gangs with only one or maybe two Onieros for logi. Such a fleet can roam around, with a combat probe capable scout, gank targets of opportunity, get out of dodge, and rep up if they've taken any scratches. Try doing that with a caldari/amarr fleet and you'll see a very noticeable loss of efficiency. Getting a basi/guardian logi chain going removes valuable dps from your gang, and the ships will be much slower (and in the case of the caldari, waiting for missiles to hit means that you're giving your enemy's friends/alts that much more time to show up.) Even your average minmatar small gang is boned if they take some armor damage. Assuming the gang is all minmatar, they've got shield logi (Scimitar) and will most likely all be flying shield tanked ships (Jag, Vaga, Cyclone/Sleip/Claymore, etc.) No way to rep armor damage there without docking up.
Just gotta learn the style of gameplay that Gallente ships present. It's not for everyone. No single race is. I will give you this, though: armor rigs need a different penalty. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
thoth rothschild
Mercenaries UNLiMiTED Double Tap.
66
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Posted - 2012.02.15 09:54:00 -
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i do notice that all pilots who say gallente are fine do have terrible kb stats.
Not sure what you are doing the entire day. Last time i checked gallente (yesterday) i saw a lot of gallente ships pushing the panic button while facing a bhaalgorn.
Gallente is still no support hughe cap need......
If you are still saying gallente ships are fine i'm happy to provide some battle reports vs thorax gangs or vs dominix fleet. Right after the past buff people fly gallente like nuts but die even more. |
Jodie Amille
Rape of Virtue
6
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:21:00 -
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thoth rothschild wrote:i do notice that all pilots who say gallente are fine do have terrible kb stats.
Not sure what you are doing the entire day. Last time i checked gallente (yesterday) i saw a lot of gallente ships pushing the panic button while facing a bhaalgorn.
I would submit that most ships will hit their panic button when facing a bhaalgorn. I would also submit that these instances are hardly common and not worth discussing in regards to balance |
Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
34
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Posted - 2012.02.15 10:22:00 -
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thoth rothschild wrote:i do notice that all pilots who say gallente are fine do have terrible kb stats.
Not sure what you are doing the entire day. Last time i checked gallente (yesterday) i saw a lot of gallente ships pushing the panic button while facing a bhaalgorn.
Gallente is still lacking support and they do have a hughe cap need......
If you are insisting that gallente ships are fine i'm happy to provide some battle reports vs thorax gangs or vs dominix fleet. Right after the past buff people fly gallente like nuts but die even more.
For the record, this isn't my first or only toon. That said ... in my 6+ years of playing all over New Eden, very rarely have I ever seen anyone put together an effective 10 man skirmishing squad. It does happen, but for the most part people in EVE just don't have a good grasp on skirmish/guerrilla tactics. Doubly so for people griping about how they think armor rep bonuses are bad.
There are a lot of things that are off with a lot of ships, Gallente included. Most of this is just a result of the game growing iteratively over the years and old ideas becoming out dated. The tier system, for example. Armor rigs with velocity penalties is another example in which gallente ships specifically were clearly overlooked. It has always been the case, intentionally so, that minmatar and gallente fleets be the better skirmishers and not the better standing navies. They'll work in blob warfare and long-lasting fleet fights in a pinch, but they will be at a disadvantage. It's always been that way, and that's always been the intention thanks to their advantage at skirmishing and generally making the day-to-day life of their enemies miserable.
Of course, there are a lot of things to fix, and not just with the Gallente. The tier system, as I mentioned, needs to be removed in favor of designing ships by class and role. The viability of the different EWar types needs to be looked at again and adjusted. There are a lot of other things of course, but I'll stop there at the risk of derailing the thread.
Active armor tanks (and active shield tanks) are just fine when used properly. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
206
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:12:00 -
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thoth rothschild wrote: If you are insisting that gallente ships are fine i'm happy to provide some battle reports vs thorax gangs or vs dominix fleet. Right after the past buff people fly gallente like nuts but die even more.
Sure, why not! Would be cool to read some battle reports.
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thoth rothschild
Mercenaries UNLiMiTED Double Tap.
66
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:25:00 -
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http://mcum.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&adjacent&kll_id=12209821
http://killboard.the-godfathers.com/index.php/kill_related/180828/
will do search for more reports later today .... |
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Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
206
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Posted - 2012.02.15 11:37:00 -
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The second one is not really interesting, anything would have died to that Oracle/Tornado blob, but please post a report of the first engagement.
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Mechael
Team Pizza Viro Mors Non Est
34
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:05:00 -
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Two problems with those 'raxes. First, they've got armor plates. That's going to keep them from closing range and staying there as well as they should, in addition to screwing up your ideal no-mwd close orbit. Secondly, they're not rigged. Armor rigs are currently quite silly for gallente use, so I'd go with hybrid rigs and astronautic rigs. The idea is to close range fast and hit hard. Done right, that cruiser fleet would have stood a decent chance against those ships. They'd just need to be fit well, get up close and stay there (a nice, tight, slow orbit that's within your tracking speed and outside of theirs.) I really hope you were just pulsing your MWDs. Use them to control range, not to orbit.
Basically, I can see why that fleet failed. But those same ships done differently would have stood a very solid chance. Those canes and the ares pose a serious threat, but the battleships should have been no sweat. Abaddon could be a problem if it's uber-tanked instead of gank fit, and has lots of T2 medium drones. That wasn't the ideal target for your cruiser fleet to go after, but it could have been done. It'd have been tough, but it was doable.
I'm tempted to train Gallente again (once upon a time I had a different toon) just to get some kms and show you guys how it's done. I'd rather die in battle against a man who will lie to me, than for a man who will lie to me. |
Karak Bol
Cable Innovations
15
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Posted - 2012.02.15 12:59:00 -
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Mechael wrote:Two problems with those 'raxes. First, they've got armor plates. That's going to keep them from closing range and staying there as well as they should, in addition to screwing up your ideal no-mwd close orbit. Secondly, they're not rigged. Armor rigs are currently quite silly for gallente use, so I'd go with hybrid rigs and astronautic rigs. The idea is to close range fast and hit hard. Done right, that cruiser fleet would have stood a decent chance against those ships. They'd just need to be fit well, get up close and stay there (a nice, tight, slow orbit that's within your tracking speed and outside of theirs.) I really hope you were just pulsing your MWDs. Use them to control range, not to orbit. Basically, I can see why that fleet failed. But those same ships done differently would have stood a very solid chance. Those canes and the ares pose a serious threat, but the battleships should have been no sweat. Abaddon could be a problem if it's uber-tanked instead of gank fit, and has lots of T2 medium drones. That wasn't the ideal target for your cruiser fleet to go after, but it could have been done. It'd have been tough, but it was doable. I'm tempted to train Gallente again (once upon a time I had a different toon) just to get some kms and show you guys how it's done.
I would be very interested in some of your fittings and general way of using Gallente. My Char is now about half a year old and I am still struggling with some of the Gallente Armour tactics. |
Red Teufel
Blackened Skies THE UNTHINKABLES
38
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Posted - 2012.02.15 15:11:00 -
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I'm pretty convinced the myrm is overpowered. I've flown it allot and know how to use it. you put implants plus links plus drugs into the mix you got a crazy pvp ship of doom. If you are taking it out on a large fleet fight you slap on some plates and sentry drones. if you are doing small/med sized fleet fights you can leave the reps on.
if you take away the myrms rep bonus for any other bonus you are in my eyes nerfing the myrm. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
791
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:08:00 -
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thoth rothschild wrote:i do notice that all pilots who say gallente are fine do have terrible kb stats.
I say Gallente are fine and its pretty much all I fly. In my current corp I've got a 89% efficiency rating and 300 solo/small gang kills in AUS/NZ TZ since about Dec first.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Mandos2k
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:50:00 -
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I haven't played enough recently to comment on the viability of my all time favorite race I thought was lacking in the past but:
Liang Nuren wrote:I say Gallente are fine and its pretty much all I fly. In my current corp I've got a 89% efficiency rating and 300 solo/small gang kills in AUS/NZ TZ since about Dec first.
-Liang
With all due respect how many of those are without HG implants and T3 gang links? From what I saw recently from you that's how you mostly roll nowadays. That's of course fine since its there to be used and still impressive, but the average player will not fly around with all sorts of maxed out booster alts and pirate implants. You can make almost anything work under those conditions.
The viability of a race should be determined by its effectiveness under average conditions imo. As in your average player probably is not flying around in a 620 dps tank Harpy as you do.
That should be kept in mind I think. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
791
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Posted - 2012.02.15 17:58:00 -
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Mandos2k wrote:With all due respect how many of those are without HG implants and T3 gang links?
I haven't made use of T3 gang links or HG implants recently.
/shrug
-Liang
Ed: FWIW, my ship usage looks like this: Harpy128 Talos41 Taranis28 Brutix18 Manticore17 Crusader8 Hurricane7
The Talos, Taranis, Brutix, Crusader, and Hurricane generally don't feature HG implants or booster alts. The Harpy generally has one or the other (sometimes both). Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Jodie Amille
Rape of Virtue
6
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:25:00 -
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So you're bragging about killing t1 fit cruisers with three battleships and two bc's from the first link, and blobbing a cruiser fleet with bc's and 22 more dudes in the 2nd link.
Good job. |
equincu ocha
The Tuskers
8
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:43:00 -
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I think you linked the wrong report, sure you got some sweet t1 fit cruiser kills while station/gate camping, but you kind of lost on the isk efficiency on this one.
I'm shocked that a bunch of tier kiting 3 bc's can kill a few t1 cruisers.
Gallente is fine, at least as much as any other race. I don't really want to get off on a rant about active tanking vs buffer, so I'll leave it simple, if you want the resistance bonuses fly amarr or caldari. Baby seal walked into a club |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
2826
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Posted - 2012.02.15 19:58:00 -
[40] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:SoapyTits wrote:Two things: 1. Buff Its not only the Myrmidon, alot of gallente ships are missing the 1 slot. 2. Redesign Hulltanking should be more viable, more modules and better ones. God
Yes, my child?
GÇŁIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇĽ GÇö Karath Piki |
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
131
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:23:00 -
[41] - Quote
Mechael wrote:Gallente active armor rep bonus is a godsend when roaming in small gangs with only one or maybe two Onieros for logi. I lol'd at this. Any small roaming gang is formidible when it has logi support.
I bet 2x gank canes + 1 scimitar support > 2x active myrms + 1 oneiros support.
Why? Canes stay away from Myrms, kill oneiros. Myrms can't catch scimi. Oneiros down, game over.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
802
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:39:00 -
[42] - Quote
I don't know. Seems like it would depend on where the fight happened and what the starting ranges were. If it made sense for the Myrms to engage in the first place, I'd put my money on them.
-Liang
Ed: Besides, that Ony should be able to rock a pretty nice active tank if its fit properly and if the gank canes come in close to kill it they WILL die. The Scim just can't rep that much. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
131
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Posted - 2012.02.16 00:53:00 -
[43] - Quote
Canes would need to get past the Myrms first to get into range to kill the Onei. A good logi pilot should have enough situational awareness on the battlefield and know where the hostile fleet is relative to those he's repping as well as himself in order to avoid getting killed.
Of course, I realize many logi pilots have a hard time keeping track of the actual battle so Onei could die as well . Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
805
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Posted - 2012.02.16 06:22:00 -
[44] - Quote
I noticed these words you currently use like: skirmish, oportunity targets, gtfo rep and gtet back etc etc
Those are valid tactics, no doubt about it, but I'm currently asking my self why do you need oneiros and local rep since your tactics are all about easy pickings and quite sure the moment you see equivalent fleet or higher you'll just dock/logofski like rats.
Is this elite pvp? -indeed you must find that Gallente ships are awesome. I don't. I'm almost perfect skills up to BS ships, ho yeah it's awesome against rats, I can put holes on those you'd be amased to see the number of shots I need to kill a high bounty BS rat, Tengu it's a kids toy compared with my shield rails Mega when is about dps'n rats.
Now, other than in high sec gates/stations, some low sec gates/stations, I don't see those that much because they're too easily counterable. Now there are vagabonds and uber vagabonds (cynabals) everywhere, drakes from jita to whatever SS systems those are everywhere, every alliance flies those and there's no exception.
Please enlight me how I should fly my Gallente ships so I could stop dieing like a noob in those hulls while when I fly rakes or canes/cynas/vagas sudenly I become skilled and succeed. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
131
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Posted - 2012.02.16 07:19:00 -
[45] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Please enlight me how I should fly my Gallente ships so I could stop dieing like a noob in those hulls while when I fly rakes or canes/cynas/vagas sudenly I become skilled and succeed.
It isn't so much about just you and how you fit your ship. It's fleet composition and knowing what fights to pick and what to avoid. Are you picking the right fights?
Apparently, once you create a sig. You can't completely delete it. So this is my sig...for now. |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
211
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Posted - 2012.02.16 08:25:00 -
[46] - Quote
MYRM NEEDS A BUFF!111
I couldn't even kill a Proteus, Typhoon and Vindicator (ooohlalala, what a web :o I was moving almost 1m/s) solo even though they had the gate guns on them.!!!11111 What good is active tanking really you tell me. (I did solo Cane+Osprey before that, though :) )
Anyway, I am disappoint, the KB hero did not post us any juicy "battle reports" :(
thoth rothschild wrote:i do notice that all pilots who say gallente are fine do have terrible kb stats.
Not sure what you are doing the entire day.
Awsum m8m8m8m8m8, but to be honest with you, you can wipe your ass with your ridiculous kb stats. It is perfectly clear to everybody what you do the entire day: sit on Jita undock and shoot ******* pods, noobships and shuttles, like a boss :D
Are you really dead serious, bragging here on public forums with that kind of kb?
Quote:If you are insisting that gallente ships are fine i'm happy to provide some battle reports vs thorax gangs or vs dominix fleet. Right after the past buff people fly gallente like nuts but die even more.
You don't have any Thorax kills. You have a Domi kill, a 3 vs 1, where most damage was done by a Myrmidon.
Incidentally your alliances all time top dog flies Gallente almost exclusively, ships like the Proteus are very prominent in Double Tap monthly top ten, and even you fly the Vigilant a lot. Also, in the km you posted the Thoraxes were killed by goddamn Megathrons :D
Quote:Fly whatever you like. My conclusion is the more gallente i see the more neutralizers i will fit.
That is actually a solid piece of advice. If I was not flying Gallente, I'd definitely fit a neut. But at the moment I have zero reasons to crosstrain, Gallente is awesome.
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slowill
Trinity Project
0
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Posted - 2012.02.16 17:23:00 -
[47] - Quote
Verity Sovereign wrote:The Myrm should get a bandwidth of 100. Without bonuses guns, and the same drone DPS, its just a tankier version of the Vexor, with a little more flexibility due to a larger drone bay. Compare that to the step up in DPS you get from other BCs, (while also improving tank), and its just substandard for a tier 2 ship.
^^^^This I completely and whole heartily agree with. The Eos as well needs a redesign especially it's drone BW. What's the point of that huge drone bay if you have the same bw of a vexor. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
131
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Posted - 2012.02.16 22:39:00 -
[48] - Quote
Liang Nuren wrote:I don't know. Seems like it would depend on where the fight happened and what the starting ranges were. If it made sense for the Myrms to engage in the first place, I'd put my money on them.
-Liang
Ed: Besides, that Ony should be able to rock a pretty nice active tank if its fit properly and if the gank canes come in close to kill it they WILL die. The Scim just can't rep that much. I think even you will agree that the engagement envelope for two canes and a scimi is much greater than two myrms and an oneiros.
That said, the only point I was really trying to make was that "Active Myrms are great with logi" is lol-worthy. It's not the active Myrms that makes the gang good...
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
811
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Posted - 2012.02.17 00:36:00 -
[49] - Quote
X Gallentius wrote: I think even you will agree that the engagement envelope for two canes and a scimi is much greater than two myrms and an oneiros.
That said, the only point I was really trying to make was that "Active Myrms are great with logi" is lol-worthy. It's not the active Myrms that makes the gang good...
Active myrms with insufficient logi is most certainly not lolworthy. Which is what he was trying to say in the first place.
-Liang
Ed: At least, not more lolworthy than the Myrm normally is. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
806
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Posted - 2012.02.17 01:53:00 -
[50] - Quote
Deen Wispa wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Please enlight me how I should fly my Gallente ships so I could stop dieing like a noob in those hulls while when I fly rakes or canes/cynas/vagas sudenly I become skilled and succeed. It isn't so much about just you and how you fit your ship. It's fleet composition and knowing what fights to pick and what to avoid. Are you picking the right fights?
hem, no I'm not gate camping or station camping or ganking in space, just roaming null sec or some fleet battles witch obviously I don't bring anything else than lachesis/arazus (if I ever decide to pick gallente over my canes/tornados/drakes).
Actually whenever I roam alone I'll only choose a few of those gallente ships that I can fly, all have the GTFO ability or cloaking abilities, everything else is still loot pinatas.
I'll pick the vaga/cyna over Deimos everyday, bubble camp or not who cares when with a regular meta MWD you can run away between 2600 (vaga) and 4K/s (cyna) Cances I get the kill of the Sabre+Dramiel and maybe another nerd or two are realistic and high while with Deimos first things first: 1600m/S what do you want to do with that? -horribly die trying to hit the sabre or another ship the closest possible.
Now this is some specific situation, but is it really that specific that every gallente pilot has to admit from the beginning that you should not undock if you don't have at least an oneiros/guardian and eventualy double web rapier ? They're supposed to be the skirmish race with minmatar, yet with minmatar while playing those ships like blaster ships you really succeed and have fun because the ships have the tools for their purpose, Gallente obviously not.
Unless I choose to spend my time watching gates/undocks, or unless I have a full dedicated fleet/gang, that means I don't know how to fly gallente? -plz CCP gime back my fracking gallente/hybrids sp so I can put it in Amarr, thx |
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Morrigu Storm
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
1
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Posted - 2012.02.17 03:58:00 -
[51] - Quote
Exclusively Gallente spec here.
The biggest thing I'd personally like to see change is a role swap for our Black-ops and Marauder hulls.
Make the Sin a Marauder with bonuses for drones and repping and have the Black-ops based on the MegaT with gunnery bonuses pretty much along the same lines as the Redeemer.
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Hrett
Quantum Cats Syndicate Villore Accords
43
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Posted - 2012.02.17 04:19:00 -
[52] - Quote
Ive been off for a few weeks, so I havent gotten a huge use out of the null change yet, but it seemed nice before I took off. Unless something else major has changed since I have been gone...
Gallente still need tweaks. Blaster tracking still needs a tweak. Rails could probably still use a fitting and/or tracking tweak. Hype needs another low slot. Brutix (and all T1 BC) needs another slot. The capacitor bonus on the Thorax needs to be changed. I think our dedicated EWAR ships need the damp bonus changed from 5% to 10% and/or the power usage for damps needs to be reduced.
I personally have an active tank fetish, so I like the current bonus. Makes the Gal BCs unique. I also think that armor REP rigs need to have the speed penalty taken away. Keep it on the resist ones and trimarks, but it is counter-productive to the rep rigs.
Just IMHO. |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
213
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Posted - 2012.02.17 11:38:00 -
[53] - Quote
Hrett wrote:Ive been off for a few weeks, so I havent gotten a huge use out of the null change yet, but it seemed nice before I took off. Unless something else major has changed since I have been gone...
Gallente still need tweaks. Blaster tracking still needs a tweak. Rails could probably still use a fitting and/or tracking tweak. Hype needs another low slot. Brutix (and all T1 BC) needs another slot. The capacitor bonus on the Thorax needs to be changed. I think our dedicated EWAR ships need the damp bonus changed from 5% to 10% and/or the power usage for damps needs to be reduced.
I personally have an active tank fetish, so I like the current bonus. Makes the Gal BCs unique. I also think that armor REP rigs need to have the speed penalty taken away. Keep it on the resist ones and trimarks, but it is counter-productive to the rep rigs.
Just IMHO.
Great post!
I'd add that the Myrm deserves 25mbit/s more drone bandwidth.
I haven't had much issues with blaster tracking, but I've seen people complain about bad quality hits, and I have a tracking implant so truth could be that they still don't track quite well enough at their optimals. |
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
31
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Posted - 2012.02.17 13:37:00 -
[54] - Quote
I still have problems with blasters at medium sizes - they're still not usable in a fleet of any size - despite my best efforts to make them useful somehow. Medium rails still also have major issues when it comes to fitting onto anything other than an astarte, whilst rails in general are still very lack-lustre. It'd be nice to know if CCP still consider there to be problems to be addressed, but CCP Tallest has flatly refused to communicate with the community about this matter which I consider to be criminal given the promises made by Hilmar about improving this aspect of Eve. If Hilmar meant what he said then something should be done about this disgrace. |
Jodie Amille
Rape of Virtue
6
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Posted - 2012.02.17 13:52:00 -
[55] - Quote
Tanya Powers wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Please enlight me how I should fly my Gallente ships so I could stop dieing like a noob in those hulls while when I fly rakes or canes/cynas/vagas sudenly I become skilled and succeed. It isn't so much about just you and how you fit your ship. It's fleet composition and knowing what fights to pick and what to avoid. Are you picking the right fights? hem, no I'm not gate camping or station camping or ganking in space, just roaming null sec or some fleet battles witch obviously I don't bring anything else than lachesis/arazus (if I ever decide to pick gallente over my canes/tornados/drakes). Actually whenever I roam alone I'll only choose a few of those gallente ships that I can fly, all have the GTFO ability or cloaking abilities, everything else is still loot pinatas. I'll pick the vaga/cyna over Deimos everyday, bubble camp or not who cares when with a regular meta MWD you can run away between 2600 (vaga) and 4K/s (cyna) Cances I get the kill of the Sabre+Dramiel and maybe another nerd or two are realistic and high while with Deimos first things first: 1600m/S what do you want to do with that? -horribly die trying to hit the sabre or another ship the closest possible. Now this is some specific situation, but is it really that specific that every gallente pilot has to admit from the beginning that you should not undock if you don't have at least an oneiros/guardian and eventualy double web rapier ? They're supposed to be the skirmish race with minmatar, yet with minmatar while playing those ships like blaster ships you really succeed and have fun because the ships have the tools for their purpose, Gallente obviously not. Unless I choose to spend my time watching gates/undocks, or unless I have a full dedicated fleet/gang, that means I don't know how to fly gallente? -plz CCP gime back my fracking gallente/hybrids sp so I can put it in Amarr, thx
Why do you want gallente ships that do exactly the same thing as minmatar ones? Why not simply fly minmatar and accept that gallente doesn't suit your preferred play style?
And since this has been annoying me greatly, gangs in this internet spaceship game are not limited to one single race. Saying gallente have no way to catch minmatar is asinine. Last I checked most corps/alliances/groups of friends have people capable of flying ALL races and as such you compose with ships from each race towards some greater-than-the-sum-of-it's-parts goal.
In this, gallente have ships to contribute to ALL type of gangs(though perhaps not the BEST), but generally focus on smaller engagements and/or in circumstances where they can control when and where the battle is started. I fail to see a problem with this
I don't whine cause amarr can't skirmish like minmatar. I don't whine that minmatar can't project dps like amarr or caldari. I pick the ship that's needed for the type of gang I'm flying in, be it gallente or any other.
I would still like to see blasters get a bit more dps to offset their range deficiencies, but in all honstly that's mostly just me eft warrioring sice I don't play a whole lot any more, and not even applicable to all ships that I look at. |
mecubed
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:20:00 -
[56] - Quote
Mechael wrote:This is ridiculous. Learn to fly in small gangs. Active armor bonuses are quite useful. The problem is that you're trying to tank them like they're Amarr ships in the first place.
Amarr and Caldari for prolonged slugfests. Minmatar and Gallente for Skirmishing.
Let me break this down. Minmatar and Gallente fleets are not designed to go toe to toe against Caldari and Amarr fleets. The resist bonuses on Caldari/Amarr boats give their fleets a serious advantage when it comes to sustaining damage over long periods of time, as happens in large fleet battles or during missions/incursions. However, the boats that do have those bonuses are also seriously gimped in viable speed (armor plates/rigs) or damage (missiles take the longest by far to apply their damage.) This is where Gallente and Minmatar ships really shine.
Gallente active armor rep bonus is a godsend when roaming in small gangs with only one or maybe two Onieros for logi. Such a fleet can roam around, with a combat probe capable scout, gank targets of opportunity, get out of dodge, and rep up if they've taken any scratches. Try doing that with a caldari/amarr fleet and you'll see a very noticeable loss of efficiency. Getting a basi/guardian logi chain going removes valuable dps from your gang, and the ships will be much slower (and in the case of the caldari, waiting for missiles to hit means that you're giving your enemy's friends/alts that much more time to show up.) Even your average minmatar small gang is boned if they take some armor damage. Assuming the gang is all minmatar, they've got shield logi (Scimitar) and will most likely all be flying shield tanked ships (Jag, Vaga, Cyclone/Sleip/Claymore, etc.) No way to rep armor damage there without docking up.
Just gotta learn the style of gameplay that Gallente ships present. It's not for everyone. No single race is. I will give you this, though: armor rigs need a different penalty.
Let me know when a caracal can go toe to toe with anything.
A ruppy and a thorax and a decent omen pilot will laugh at you.
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mecubed
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:28:00 -
[57] - Quote
Jodie Amille wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:Please enlight me how I should fly my Gallente ships so I could stop dieing like a noob in those hulls while when I fly rakes or canes/cynas/vagas sudenly I become skilled and succeed. It isn't so much about just you and how you fit your ship. It's fleet composition and knowing what fights to pick and what to avoid. Are you picking the right fights? hem, no I'm not gate camping or station camping or ganking in space, just roaming null sec or some fleet battles witch obviously I don't bring anything else than lachesis/arazus (if I ever decide to pick gallente over my canes/tornados/drakes). Actually whenever I roam alone I'll only choose a few of those gallente ships that I can fly, all have the GTFO ability or cloaking abilities, everything else is still loot pinatas. I'll pick the vaga/cyna over Deimos everyday, bubble camp or not who cares when with a regular meta MWD you can run away between 2600 (vaga) and 4K/s (cyna) Cances I get the kill of the Sabre+Dramiel and maybe another nerd or two are realistic and high while with Deimos first things first: 1600m/S what do you want to do with that? -horribly die trying to hit the sabre or another ship the closest possible. Now this is some specific situation, but is it really that specific that every gallente pilot has to admit from the beginning that you should not undock if you don't have at least an oneiros/guardian and eventualy double web rapier ? They're supposed to be the skirmish race with minmatar, yet with minmatar while playing those ships like blaster ships you really succeed and have fun because the ships have the tools for their purpose, Gallente obviously not. Unless I choose to spend my time watching gates/undocks, or unless I have a full dedicated fleet/gang, that means I don't know how to fly gallente? -plz CCP gime back my fracking gallente/hybrids sp so I can put it in Amarr, thx Why do you want gallente ships that do exactly the same thing as minmatar ones? Why not simply fly minmatar and accept that gallente doesn't suit your preferred play style? And since this has been annoying me greatly, gangs in this internet spaceship game are not limited to one single race. Saying gallente have no way to catch minmatar is asinine. Last I checked most corps/alliances/groups of friends have people capable of flying ALL races and as such you compose with ships from each race towards some greater-than-the-sum-of-it's-parts goal. In this, gallente have ships to contribute to ALL type of gangs(though perhaps not the BEST), but generally focus on smaller engagements and/or in circumstances where they can control when and where the battle is started. I fail to see a problem with this I don't whine cause amarr can't skirmish like minmatar. I don't whine that minmatar can't project dps like amarr or caldari. I pick the ship that's needed for the type of gang I'm flying in, be it gallente or any other. I would still like to see blasters get a bit more dps to offset their range deficiencies, but in all honstly that's mostly just me eft warrioring sice I don't play a whole lot any more, and not even applicable to all ships that I look at.
It would be nice that gallente ships could actually fit a similar fit, with medium guns and a 1600 plate. Since Gallente are already slower and have a larger sig radius..
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mecubed
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:30:00 -
[58] - Quote
Nikuno wrote:I still have problems with blasters at medium sizes - they're still not usable in a fleet of any size - despite my best efforts to make them useful somehow. Medium rails still also have major issues when it comes to fitting onto anything other than an astarte, whilst rails in general are still very lack-lustre. It'd be nice to know if CCP still consider there to be problems to be addressed, but CCP Tallest has flatly refused to communicate with the community about this matter which I consider to be criminal given the promises made by Hilmar about improving this aspect of Eve. If Hilmar meant what he said then something should be done about this disgrace.
Thats why they buffed null, so now you can have half the range and the same dps as everyone else.
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
851
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Posted - 2012.02.21 19:44:00 -
[59] - Quote
mecubed wrote: Thats why they buffed null, so now you can have half the range and the same dps as everyone else.
haha, if you are having trouble with Null these days I suggest you're Doing It Wrong.
-Liang
Ed: Hell, that goes for most blaster work. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Stan'din
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:24:00 -
[60] - Quote
If anything Caldari Hybrid boats need a buff a damage buff rather than a range bonus
The caldari are supposed to me masters of long range fighting, but the minmatar alpha boats always outshine, ships such as the rokh need a damage buff to put them on the same line
less damage higher ROF works itself out |
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Perihelion Olenard
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2012.04.10 21:34:00 -
[61] - Quote
Mechael wrote: Just gotta learn the style of gameplay that Gallente ships present. It's not for everyone. No single race is. I will give you this, though: armor rigs need a different penalty.
I have an idea for a new penalty. How about -10% tracking to mining lasers? |
Azemar
Order of the Silver Dragons Eternal Evocations
2
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Posted - 2012.04.11 00:28:00 -
[62] - Quote
mecubed wrote:Gallente suffer from pg issues. You cant fit a 1600 plate on a thorax with a mwd and medium guns. Yet you can do it with the rupture easily, fit medium guns and still have some left over. The best fit for a rax is shield which is rather sad, and its slower than minnie ships.
Brutix, you can do it with the smallest medium guns and a mwd.
So yeah pg is an issue and considering that gallente blasters require you to be in someones face, its disturbing to see how minnie ships easily out run them and come with longer range guns.
Rails still suck.
That much is very true. |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
280
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Posted - 2012.04.11 00:30:00 -
[63] - Quote
Hybrids are fine since the buff. Railguns have the longest range of any weapons. Considering that the entire role of long-range weaponry is to outrange the opponent, I think they're fine. Aranakas CEO of-áGreen Anarchy Green vs Green |
Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
395
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Posted - 2012.04.11 00:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
thoth rothschild wrote:i do notice that all pilots who say gallente are fine do have terrible kb stats.
KB stats are more indicative of how you play than how well you actually do. If you fly solo a lot, you'll struggle to keep 50% efficiency whereas a lot of dudes who PvP maybe three times a month have 99% isk efficiency and 300 kills.
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Azemar
Order of the Silver Dragons Eternal Evocations
2
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Posted - 2012.04.11 02:01:00 -
[65] - Quote
Aranakas wrote:Hybrids are fine since the buff. Railguns have the longest range of any weapons. Considering that the entire role of long-range weaponry is to outrange the opponent, I think they're fine.
Considering that their damage with any other ammo type besides Javelin and Antimatter is rather, well, completely abysmal , I disagree. |
Stan'din
UK Corp RAZOR Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.04.13 14:31:00 -
[66] - Quote
Azemar wrote:[quote=Aranakas]Hybrids are fine since the buff. Railguns have the longest range of any weapons. Considering that the entire role of long-range weaponry is to outrange the opponent, I think they're fine.
How many sniping rokh fleets do you see compared to Meal's .... Rails are in serious need of a damage buff
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Nylith Empyreal
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:05:00 -
[67] - Quote
Well regardless, it would be nice for the gallente to actually designed to show what ccp intends them to be, if indeed armor or w/e. Some random rep bonuses, a bc with not nearly enough lows, and nother that does better without racial weaponry. I don't mind creative fits, but as a race, you'd think we'd have more uniformity. -á |
Jame Jarl Retief
Corps Diplomatique Terrestrienne
27
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Posted - 2012.04.13 15:44:00 -
[68] - Quote
Why are people still arguing this? CCP clearly showed this fanfest that they think Gallente have THE most broken ships in the game. Out of the whole lineup, only 48% function properly. Compared to 57% for Amarr/Caldari. What more needs to be said?
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Alain Badiou
Shinken Shobu
2
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Posted - 2012.04.13 19:25:00 -
[69] - Quote
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:Why are people still arguing this? CCP clearly showed this fanfest that they think Gallente have THE most broken ships in the game. Out of the whole lineup, only 48% function properly. Compared to 57% for Amarr/Caldari. What more needs to be said?
Linky to this discussion from Fanfest please? Interested in listening/reading this. |
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