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Artem Plovix
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Posted - 2008.01.18 04:55:00 -
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I recently downloaded and watched a lot of the Eve trailers and other videos posted up here on the official site, and most of them are pretty awesome. I noticed though, that a lot of them, especially the Trinity video, like to mention that the videos are entirely made up of what you'll see when you play the game.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining. The game looks really nice, especially now with Trinity. However, aren't the videos touched up a bit? There just seems to be a certain crispness to the textures, certain lighting effects, the way the sun peeks around planets, the tiny details on the stations, and a lot of other little things like that that look excellent in the videos, but don't really look that way in the game. It's as if they were run through a filter or two when they were editing the video to make them look a bit better than they do in the real game.
I'm running the game on an 8800GTS, Vista 64 bit, and a 21 inch Dell widescreen LCD. I've got the graphics up as high as they'll go unless I've missed a setting somewhere. Am I missing something, or do the videos actually look nicer than in game? The point of making this thread wasn't to say "nyah CCP lied!" or anything like that, I'm just trying to make my game look as gorgeous as the videos make it seem ;)
So, what am I missing here? Is there some hidden setting? A config file edit? Perhaps some trick with enabling anti aliasing via my drivers or something along those lines? Please tell me I can make the game look as sexy as it does in the Trinity trailer :(
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INTACTized
Gallente The Athiest Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.01.18 05:09:00 -
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Activate the premium content. ----
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Artem Plovix
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Posted - 2008.01.18 05:11:00 -
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I'm using the Premium client, if that's what you mean. I've got an older PC I sometimes use to just log in to change skills and such with, and it's using the classic client, so I can see an enormous difference between the two. Like I said, the premium client looks nice, but it's still short of what you see in the videos.
Is there something I'm missing?
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2008.01.18 05:14:00 -
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Might be a bit of post-processing on there, but not a huge amount.
The main thing, the guy who made those knows EXACTLY what he's doing with the camera, and can pretty much pull up a fleet battle at will. So, if he needs 3 Vexors at a heading of 80 degrees relative to the camera at 150m/s, with a Gallente station in the background, he's got it.
It's the same as the difference between the photos the realtor will show you of a house, and what the house actually looks like.
I also presume you have premium content enabled. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Damneia Achernius
Northen Breeze
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Posted - 2008.01.18 07:03:00 -
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Originally by: Artem Plovix I'm using the Premium client, if that's what you mean. I've got an older PC I sometimes use to just log in to change skills and such with, and it's using the classic client, so I can see an enormous difference between the two. Like I said, the premium client looks nice, but it's still short of what you see in the videos.
Is there something I'm missing?
dunno.. i get exactly the same as in videos (as the videos are all made ingame :P)
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Marshall Zhukov
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Posted - 2008.01.18 08:37:00 -
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The user inferface is taken out in the video and all kinds of zoom-in and set up shots are shown so of course it doesnt look like that constantly as you play but you may get into situations that look like that like during missions playing with the camera.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.01.18 10:35:00 -
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Remember also that what you are seeing is in game footage on a really high end machine, running with settings tweaked probably to near perfect by the guys who actually made the game. Theoretically you can get the same graphics. --------------
GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2008.01.18 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Artem Plovix I recently downloaded and watched a lot of the Eve trailers and other videos posted up here on the official site, and most of them are pretty awesome. I noticed though, that a lot of them, especially the Trinity video, like to mention that the videos are entirely made up of what you'll see when you play the game.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not complaining. The game looks really nice, especially now with Trinity. However, aren't the videos touched up a bit? There just seems to be a certain crispness to the textures, certain lighting effects, the way the sun peeks around planets, the tiny details on the stations, and a lot of other little things like that that look excellent in the videos, but don't really look that way in the game. It's as if they were run through a filter or two when they were editing the video to make them look a bit better than they do in the real game.
I'm running the game on an 8800GTS, Vista 64 bit, and a 21 inch Dell widescreen LCD. I've got the graphics up as high as they'll go unless I've missed a setting somewhere. Am I missing something, or do the videos actually look nicer than in game? The point of making this thread wasn't to say "nyah CCP lied!" or anything like that, I'm just trying to make my game look as gorgeous as the videos make it seem ;)
So, what am I missing here? Is there some hidden setting? A config file edit? Perhaps some trick with enabling anti aliasing via my drivers or something along those lines? Please tell me I can make the game look as sexy as it does in the Trinity trailer :(
yes.
CCP is able to use the client at full settings (shadows extreme and full bloom) in stupidly high resolutions (1900x1600 or smth), and ability of using FSAA together with HDR, by using professional-grade workstations and such.
our meager consumer-grade computers with consumer-grade equipment struggles with that. ---
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 11:36:00 -
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I find pressing control-tab helps alot :)
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.01.18 14:19:00 -
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If you play any game compressed to 320 x 240, it will look fantastic. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.01.18 14:26:00 -
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If you've got an nVidia card, snag nHancer. Free util, lets you turn on a compatibility mode in the drivers so you can get HDR+bloom+AA to your heart's content. I run it and have played with it pretty extensively, and the game easily looks as good as the trailers.
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Mandos2k
Gallente Divinity Within Elemental Fusion
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:16:00 -
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Watch the Trinity trailer again. At the beginning it says: "[...] USING the new Trinity 2.0 graphics ENGINE" and there's not a single word in the whole trailer that they had used actual gameplay footage. My bet is, that they animated every scene in an external 3D application and used their Trinity 2.0 engine to render it. IMO that's the reason why all ships move so naturally and why everything seems to look just a bit better than ingame.
Do you remember the first "total trinity" scene where the amarrian Probhecy BC heads towards the amarrian station? Or the Minmatar scene right after that with these two Rifters in the upper right corner? I've never ever seen any ship moving like that in EVE before. Those scenes are no ingame footages imo. |
Korizan
Oort Cloud Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.18 15:35:00 -
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Lets not forget the some cards are better @ rendering graphics as well.
You will also have to go into your video card settings (OUT OF GAME) and crank them up to MAX Quality to really see what your video card and the game is capable of.
Not that you would actually play the game with these settings but the quality is REALLY NICE
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Chris Dulin
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:14:00 -
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Do you have the advanced video options enabled?
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Asestorian
Domination.
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:23:00 -
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There are several things CCP can do here. The first is that they have some epic computers to use to make this stuff. The second is that they have a special client with special controls that can control the ships and camera more accurately than EVE normally would. The third is that they probably cheated and forced AA on via graphics drivers (just like a lot of us do), when it's not normally available alongside HDR.
It's definitely possible to get the kind of graphics quality seen in the trailer in EVE itself. The only difficult part is the ships movement and advanced camera controls that CCP have access to, while we don't.
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Syraine
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Posted - 2008.01.18 16:48:00 -
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Turn on AA+HDR using nHancer (the latest drivers from nvidia seem to kill the setting, user previous one.) I am not on my normal machine right now so can't tell you what driver version I use right now until I get home. I play on a 8800 GT with these settings and it looks like the trailers to me.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:05:00 -
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compare the trailers to tyhe goonswarm videos or day of darkness.
these movies are 100 made by players.
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nights long
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:10:00 -
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also like someone metioned,if you were running on a duel or quad card machine with each card on 1gb or 512mb AA and filtering on max such and such then the image ql is likely to appear higher than a single card machine w/e your card is,also i run wow on max settings on a x850 pro (nerf ati with shader 2.0 support only ....)but when watching on a duel card system the image ql is much better on same settings .
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CCP Redundancy
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:16:00 -
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The reason the videos look a bit crisper in the video is probably because they're using the full size uncompressed TGA textures. They were captured from graphics engine, but not from in-game, because at the time they were being done, the game integration of the art assets wasn't finished.
The possibility is open for the future for some textures to be increased in resolution, but doing so has an obvious cost in texture memory, installer size and installed disk footprint etc.
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Apocryphai
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Redundancy The possibility is open for the future for some textures to be increased in resolution
Oh god, do it. Do it. Please do it. God yes. Ohh dammit I need to change my underwear now.
Originally by: CCP Redundancy but doing so has an obvious cost in texture memory, installer size and installed disk footprint etc.
Don't care. Want. Want now.
Thanks :D ________________________________________________________________
Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
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Kirao
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Posted - 2008.01.18 17:48:00 -
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Just do what lotro did and be able to choose between a high res texture pack and standard. Thus those that should have upgraded by now but havent can use the current, those with newer pcs can use the high res
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Artem Plovix
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Posted - 2008.01.18 18:19:00 -
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I've got the graphics set as high as possible with the settings you're given in the client. I've even got 16x antialiasing running by forcing the drivers to do it. Still looks nice, but just not as good.
And yeah, the scenes someone mentioned before are exactly what I'm talking about. That first scene where the Amarr station is in the background with the ships heading towards it. Every TINY little detail just pops right out at you, so crisp and sharp, it's like you could reach out and touch the ships on the screen. And I'm talking about the full resolution HD trailer, not the 320x240 one.
I want my game to look like that :(
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Saris Dadra
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Posted - 2008.01.18 18:31:00 -
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I too would like to use the higher res textures. The most noticeable problem with the current textures is the bump-maps looking a bit strange on a few ships. If higher resolution textures are ever released could we have separate detail settings for bump-mapping and the other textures? Or is there some technical reason this couldn't be done? ---------
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Drakarian
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium
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Posted - 2008.01.18 19:10:00 -
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I think having the option to upgrade to higher res textures should be an option. Those of us who have god-like computers want to be able to see eve at its finest.
Just have a warning that it will make your gfx card sweat.
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mama guru
Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.01.18 19:20:00 -
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Im sitting @ AMD 3800 Dual core, 1 GB or RAm and a Geforce 8800 GT. Everything set to high including bloom and its stable @ 50-60 FPS. Looks alot like in the trailers with some minor differences *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:02:00 -
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Eve Premium Premium ITT
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:14:00 -
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AH HA!
so is it the textures :P
it that why the text on the raven is hard to read?
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Furious Hawk
Caldari I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Furious Hawk on 18/01/2008 20:25:26 I'm sitting here at all premium graphics settings maxed out, with cache on extreme and I'm running over 70 fps.
The reason why things look crisper is because of the better trailer textures like what the dev said, but also they have Anti-aliasing on, which EVE has desperately needed for years now. Give it to me CCP. My computer can take it no problem!
P.S. My computer was custom built by a friend of mine for $700. I don't have some kind of super computer here, just a very good one.
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Artem Plovix
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Posted - 2008.01.18 20:44:00 -
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It's not hard to force anti-aliasing on with your drivers. Do a little reading about it. It doesn't make the game look shockingly better though, in my opinion.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.18 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/01/2008 22:36:08
Originally by: Artem Plovix It's not hard to force anti-aliasing on with your drivers. Do a little reading about it. It doesn't make the game look shockingly better though, in my opinion.
it doesn't actully put AA on sadly.
it kinda tries too.
edit : unless like people have said, you use a 3rd party program.
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