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Xavia Cameron
Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.18 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: Xavia Cameron on 18/01/2008 04:38:51 Edited by: Xavia Cameron on 18/01/2008 04:38:18 Problem: Why bring frigs when capitals can offload that much more support, or a BS can offload more DPS at the 150KM range that a fight is?
Small ships are slowly loosing their place on the battlefield of a massive war, there is no good reason to bring a T2 frigate. And little reason to bring a T2 cruiser. However, when trying to give small ships a go in a fleet you have to be carefull to not overtake the sheer DPS role of a battleship.
So, how I personally see it is that frigates are designed to swarm over lighter targets and recon jobs.
so..
Solution:
Give each of these classes a decent role on the large scale battlefied, but doesn't overpower them on the small scale.
1) Assault Frigates; Give them a massive damage boost, but with a RoF penalty and allow sub-system targeting on BSs and Capitals. Give a High sensor resolution but with a high signature radius and low sensor strength. These ships are now designed to warp in, disable a target's sub-system and GTFO before they get locked, or a trip to the clone bay ensues.
2) Stealth Bomber; 2a) "Black ops Cloaking device" Only fit-able to the stealth bomber and black ops ships. When activated it allows the ship to remain in a cov-ops state cloak for 1(one) minute, and sciptable to behave like a standard cloak without the sensor resolution penalty. 5 minute cooldown in black-ops mode.
2b) "Tactical missile launcher" Only *****ble to the SB. Only launcher capable of firing the Tactical Nuke and tactical EMP missiles.
2bi) "Tactical Nuclear Missile" specialised missled designed to insta-pop a single station service. Due to the massive residue suck a massive explosion leaves only one suck missile can be fired once per 8 hours in a single system. (This is a global flag, no SB can fire one in that system) The penalty is that having this missile loaded produces an automatic warning to every ship in the system that a "Heavy Nuclear weapon has been detected." Roughly 10 mill a shot.
2bii) "Tactical EMP Missile" Specialized missile that can insta-pop a supercap's subsystem. Can only be fired at an active sub-system. EG, can only hit a titans DD system if the DD is warming up to fire (Hyper-suspense moment anyone?). Only sends a warning to super-caps when the SB has been locked by a gang-mate. (and missile is loaded into the launcher.) This missile is EXPENSIVE, I mean like 40 mill a pop.
1&2c)Subsystem Targeting. BS subsystems don't take much to die, but loosing one only hampers the systems operation, not destroy it. Capitals take a bit of punishment, but when they are gone they are gone. (Dreadnoughts in siege mode don't take any damage to sub-systems. The damage goes straight to the current active health bar.) Supercaps systems can only be taken out by the Tactical EMP. But they are the important systems.
BS: Targeting, Warp drive, sublight, Maneuvering thrusters. Capital: Seige module, Fighter bay, Fitting system, Sublight. Supercap: DD, Clone vat, Jump bridge, sublight, JUMP DRIVE. (Mom gets carrier systems)
3) Interceptors; Can get caught in a ships warp/jump field.A selected target option is "Latch." The ship must get within 1KM to follow. Obviously more powerful to use to breach a warp-bubble, but if your tagging onto a super-cap you get intel on where its going. For warp the Ceptor arrives at the destination before the target. (Also receives delegation of fighters inside the bubble. So it can send the doomed things home or not if they need it)
Comment/add ideas (And actually reply this time, so many times by posts get ignored ) Edit: Bah! Wrong forum (can a mod move it to Ideas and suggestions?) -- Fix Clone Vat Bays Fix Local
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Xavia Cameron
Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:33:00 -
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Bump.
How come other people can suggest things that are less massive then me and they get replies..?! -- Fix Clone Vat Bays Fix Local
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 05:51:00 -
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Frigate Midslot: Web Point MWD
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Xavia Cameron
Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.20 06:07:00 -
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Whilst A point certainly makes it an option to bring a frigate into the fight, It doesn't add a REASON. The tackle frig in a fleet war is more of a "Can I come too?" option, and serious tactical warp jamming is going to be done by the FAR more efficient dictor/HICtor.
These add Frigates as something an FC (Albeit rarely) ask someone to bring. -- Fix Clone Vat Bays Fix Local
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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.20 06:22:00 -
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Frigs are cheap, highly insurable, and dont cost much to lose. They can tackle ships worth many times their value. Also they are primaried by anti support forces after dictors, and can be used to shoot drones/fighters as well as shoot cruisers. Also dictors do not usually web targets, which keeps them in warp disruption bubbles longer, and makes them easier to hit.
The only frigate class ship that doesnt have a place is assault frigates. --
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Xavia Cameron
Caldari Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.20 06:42:00 -
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Are you saying a Stealth Bomber has a serious place in a large fleet? Or a non-tackling Ceptor?
Whilst they may not be useless per say.. they certainly need improvement from a utility point of view. Having all frigate classes fill the role of the tackle ceptor seems a bit dry.
These suggestions move frigates away from entirely tackle and into true utility. The Sort of thing the smallest vessel should be doing. -- Fix Clone Vat Bays Fix Local
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Draahk Chimera
Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.01.20 08:35:00 -
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Originally by: Xavia Cameron Are you saying a Stealth Bomber has a serious place in a large fleet?
Yup. The bomb.
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Ma Zhiqiang
Minmatar Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.01.20 13:41:00 -
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Or increase lock time for bigger ships to target smaller ones. Sensor resolution, or what it's called...
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Kiiikoooloool
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Posted - 2008.01.20 14:03:00 -
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i would like to see frigs designed for specific purpose
- ewar frigs: fine - inty: fine, maybe a sligh boost against frig targets.. no wait, better idea - Destroyers: they now have a role against anti frig warfare. Need a sig radius boost imo. - covert ops: fine - bombers: need very deadly weapons against large targets and blobs - assault frigs: need sub system targeting and anti web bonus
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Eclip
SUBLIME L.L.C. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.22 01:22:00 -
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IF ur FC doesnt have a spot for intys in his fleet no wonder that ur fleet is losing. keeping taketes around to kill in fleet fights is the hardest bit otherwise they warp out and back in ad u get no kills and lots of deaths :S ive been in fleets where we have 20-30 intys and we won easily. Ive also been in fights where we had 10 and we died horribly -------------------------------------------------- It is not what u are underneath, but what you do that defines you |
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Gordon Red
SteelVipers YouWhat
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Posted - 2008.01.22 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Gordon Red on 22/01/2008 19:20:48
- ceptors are having a place (some tracking bonus would not hurt, they are faster today as ever and now they speed hurts themselfs...) - I would see AFs in two Roles: the first half are anti frig (tracking and such) and the second half antiship (damage bonus with signature resolution penality => no anti frig possible) - the sub-system targeting is interesting, but needs balancing - I like the idea that especially the smallest ships may have the biggest impact on the largest (like in star wars with the first death star) => anti-frig support is needed! I hate the "only" BS and carrier stuff (with some "one use" interdictors or heavy interdictors).
People are so focused on the big ships...
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Westly Synpa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.22 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: Draahk Chimera
Originally by: Xavia Cameron Are you saying a Stealth Bomber has a serious place in a large fleet?
Yup. The bomb.
its kinda funny when those kit a drone swarm.
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Andreya
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2008.01.23 04:03:00 -
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Originally by: Xavia Cameron Are you saying a Stealth Bomber has a serious place in a large fleet? Or a non-tackling Ceptor?
Whilst they may not be useless per say.. they certainly need improvement from a utility point of view. Having all frigate classes fill the role of the tackle ceptor seems a bit dry.
These suggestions move frigates away from entirely tackle and into true utility. The Sort of thing the smallest vessel should be doing.
you never seen a couple bombers decloak in the chaos of a fleet engagement and launch multiple bombs and wiped out dozens of ships? not my fault you dont know what frigs are capable of.... although, Afs neeed some love and unnerf interdictors _________________________________________________________ Only once you've lost everything, are you free to do anything.
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