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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:20:00 -
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I am sure there are many ISK threads around here, simply because it is a very annoying problem that everyone has to deal with.
ISK sellers spam and spam, it is a poison.
Now I feel that CCP is not doing anything about it. I left the game for months and on my return, nothing is changed, or actually, it did change, for the worse.
New graphics engine, yes nice, or actually not really THAT nice at all, cant use AA, and everything looks crappy without it.
Anyway, back to isk selling, a simple tool that will help for sure :
Right click the isk seller, and in addition to "block" you can choose "report isk seller", which automatically generates a report with the offending text, you can review it, and then send it to ccp. The ISK seller automatically gets blocked for the player that reported him ( just like you would use the block option ). CCP puts some alarm in their system, so that when a player gets 5 or more reports, they check it. They see they indeed said something about ISK selling and CCP deletes the account.
Some other small measures they could do : Trial accounts are limited to send 5 mails per day Trial accounts can not post clickable links Automatically slow down spammers, like not allowing 3 messages in less then 0.5 seconds. Or for example not allowing to say the same line more then once in a row.
I am sure CCP can think of more measures, but plz do something about it. It is not fun when your convo gets interrupted with a wall of spam from isk sellers.
Greetz
CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Retired @ Bors DAoC / Atlantic UO / Sunstrider WoW / Valcyn SWG / Snowbourn LOTRO / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars |
Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:25:00 -
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It's not as easy to prevent isk farming or isk selling as you think.
A couple of suggestions that have been made before:
1. Put more limits on trial characters, especially concerning chat channels (limit them to Help only). 2. Limit trial characters to isk transfers of 1 million isk per day (including sales and purchase of market items and contracts). This would limit isk transfer cutout characters (which I'm sure they use) to paid accounts - making the sale of isk more expensive. 3. More in-depth investigation of isk transfers between characters - probably data mining. 4. Investigate isk farmer characters, and see who they transfer isk with.
But, even with that, isk farming and selling will continue as long as people buy isk... ------------------
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Abyssal Angel
Caldari Solar Wind STELLAR LEGION
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:32:00 -
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This is a very good idea.
Have right clicking pop up 2 options under report:
report isk selling
report spammin
This coupled with an automatically block of the character would provide CCP with tons of reports that they are now not getting as people are weary of the current process.
Make it easier, let it mimic the forums, and implement it now!
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Zev'Nar
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Posted - 2008.01.16 19:58:00 -
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Quote: Right click the isk seller, and in addition to "block" you can choose "report isk seller",
Just like in WoW
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stupid flanders
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:10:00 -
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I just want to be able t block them with out them going into my buddies list. I want to BLOCK them not know when they log on and off ffs!
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Alz Shado
Ever Flow Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:14:00 -
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Right now, I'd be happy if trial accounts couldn't apply to join a corporation. I get numerous ISK Spams a day from would-be recruits, most of whom I'm sure didn't pay for their account.
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Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado Right now, I'd be happy if trial accounts couldn't apply to join a corporation. I get numerous ISK Spams a day from would-be recruits, most of whom I'm sure didn't pay for their account.
That's where I see most of the spam. And it's a PITA to fill out petitions over and over and over again. ------------------
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Ryuu Katsu
YTiRi Directorate
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:18:00 -
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Adding endless amounts of "xcvjsofiu's" and "adsfjaofagh" names into you block list doesn't help anyone. It's a gruelling and tiering task to constantly add people and maintain the list, henche not a solution.
Now gold sellers are not much of a problem in 0.0 as far as spamming goes, but as soon as you get into Empire or bring up the trade or help channel you're constantly badgered by these.
They are not to bothersome to begin with, but with time it starts becoming a real nuisance.
What CCP needs to do is a simple thing, it's to simply add a filter available for people to use. Seeing as someone mentioned WoW earlier, for that game a 3rd party has made an add-on that filters out all gold selling /tells or messages. It simply looks for text sent containing known gold seller sites, and uses simple syntaxes to filter out scrambled versions of the addresses of those names.
If a 3rd party can easily make it as an add-on for WoW, why on earth are CCP not able to do the same and implement one available for use for it's players!? It even included an automated report function if the user is interested in taking it further.
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Alowishus
Pastry Coalition Sex Panthers
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:32:00 -
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This is pointless. You'll be blocking, and telling CCP to ban, trial accounts that will be gone in 14 days anyway.
CCP should just ***** down harder on ISK buyers. People who buy ISK probably have much more to lose than people who make and sell ISK through trial accounts. No market for ISK, no ISK sales. If you think of the ISK sellers as the egg the problem is unsolvable, endless tail chasing. But if you think ISK buyers as the egg then it's much easier to deal with. The potential number of trial accounts is unlimited, the potential number of ISK buyers is limited and will shrink as examples are made. The ISK sellers will follow the same trend.
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Malcanis
5 finger discounteers
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Posted - 2008.01.16 20:56:00 -
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That's what I've been saying for a while: start banning ISK buyers.
Announce a 1-week amnesty: turn yourself in, the ISK is removed, nothing goes on your permanent record
After that: get caught buying ISK = you lose your account.
Publicise the names of the characters which are banned as a consequence (I bet there will be some surprises in that list... and a number of much less surprising names).
Pretty quickly, you will get a LOT less ISK being bought.
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Ryuu Katsu
YTiRi Directorate
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Posted - 2008.01.16 21:06:00 -
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Why not have both, CCP add a filter that can be tagged on or off, I can't imagine it being that hard to program. I've done similar stuff in the past myself.
Come down like a sledgehammer on ISK buyers, that should shrink the demand for "illegal" ISK considerably. The idea for a week grace period and then name and shame and ban sounds just fine by me. A further deterrant still to buying ISK.
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Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.17 08:33:00 -
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You guys don't give CCP enough credit. I have various noobcorp alts, and report all isk sellers as soon as they post their ads to chat. CCP for the most part replies to my petitions within minutes, most times in less than 5 minutes, and many times within two.
I have a feeling that the OP is one of those people that don't bother to petition ISK sellers, and instead block them from chat. Report isk sellers under a Rules & Policies/Harassment petition and watch them get banned almost immediately.
Stop being part of the problem and stop whining about something that is easily addressed by community participation. Sure it would be easier to report them from a right click interface option but that would also make it easier for the function to be abused. Just deal with ISK sellers as a fact of life in any MMO and spend the 30 seconds it takes to Copy a line out of local or NPC corp chat into a petition and file it, rather than posting a complaint thread in eve-o where it will get lost in the noise of the rabble.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.17 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Smakko You guys don't give CCP enough credit. I have various noobcorp alts, and report all isk sellers as soon as they post their ads to chat. CCP for the most part replies to my petitions within minutes, most times in less than 5 minutes, and many times within two.
I have a feeling that the OP is one of those people that don't bother to petition ISK sellers, and instead block them from chat. Report isk sellers under a Rules & Policies/Harassment petition and watch them get banned almost immediately.
Stop being part of the problem and stop whining about something that is easily addressed by community participation. Sure it would be easier to report them from a right click interface option but that would also make it easier for the function to be abused. Just deal with ISK sellers as a fact of life in any MMO and spend the 30 seconds it takes to Copy a line out of local or NPC corp chat into a petition and file it, rather than posting a complaint thread in eve-o where it will get lost in the noise of the rabble.
Well your feeling is wrong, I have made dozens of ISK reports, but it takes waaay too much time to report and there isn't even a section under petitions about isk sellers. So the 1st time you report someone, it is a bit of a guess where to go and what to do.
So, if it takes 30 seconds to report someone, and every 5 minutes you get isk spam, I am sorry, but that is a bit too much of time to invest, how am I gonna get any playing done?. The process is just too cumbersome.
And yes CCP takes action when you file a petition, that is why I suggested this in the 1st place.
Also hard measures against ISK buyers is a good idea.
Greetings
CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Retired @ Bors DAoC / Atlantic UO / Sunstrider WoW / Valcyn SWG / Snowbourn LOTRO / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars |
Davos Breemer
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Posted - 2008.01.17 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Smakko I have a feeling that the OP is one of those people that don't bother to petition ISK sellers, and instead block them from chat. Report isk sellers under a Rules & Policies/Harassment petition and watch them get banned almost immediately.
Stop being part of the problem and stop whining about something that is easily addressed by community participation. Sure it would be easier to report them from a right click interface option but that would also make it easier for the function to be abused. Just deal with ISK sellers as a fact of life in any MMO and spend the 30 seconds it takes to Copy a line out of local or NPC corp chat into a petition and file it, rather than posting a complaint thread in eve-o where it will get lost in the noise of the rabble.
The right-click report/block actually works very well. It saves the customers and CCP time as well as building a database of terms that ISK sellers use so that CCP can build a spam block for it. If it does get abused by players that will be noted as well and those players will also get a ban.
The present system works but I'm surprised that there is resistance to making it better.
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:32:00 -
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Its the same crap day in day out on the forums regarding ISK spammers, lots promised to some extent but yet I've seen no improvement with less Isk channel spamming. CCP are not stupid, some times you have the wonder really why they let it continue on the scale ISK spammers spam 24x7 in the channels.
Seems like players have asked time and time again for something to be done.. but from what I can tell very little has been done.
Its just another Isk spammer thread that will go unnoticed and CCP won't answer
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Smakko
Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Davos Breemer The present system works but I'm surprised that there is resistance to making it better.
The only real resistance to making the system better is from CCP itself. They are the ones who have failed to implement a better system for the user community to report ISK sellers.
Until that time comes, take advantage of the fact that any petitions regarding isk sellers are responded to immediately by the GMs. Yes, filing a petition takes 20 seconds, but do it anyways. Spouting BS like "oh the ISK sellers come back every 5 minutes" is nonsense. I've been in RMS for quite some time, and some days when I'm on my alt, I'm the only one reporting isk sellers out of hundreds of people in corp. I will go afk for some time, then come back to my screen to see that a single isk seller has been spamming for over 30 minutes. That means for 30 minutes, not a single person in the entirety of RMS reported the guy properly. They either didn't notice, or simply blocked the spam, adding an isk seller to a block list who'll be in game less than 14 days, because they couldn't be bothered to spend 10-20 seconds to file a petition.
When the time comes that CCP stops acting like an idiot when it comes to discouraging illegal isk sellers, support the GMs by doing your part. I see this kind of thread once a month. EvE isn't perfect, big surprise. People buy isk illegally, farmers advertise isk sales to noobs, CCP fails to respond adequately with software features that could encourage the player community to report illegal isk selling activity.
Spending a couple minutes a day filing petitions is hardly a crimp in your playtime. Besides, there would be no market for these people if people instead bought their isk legally by selling GTCs in-game, rather than buying isk from farmers.
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Victor Valka
Caldari Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.01.17 12:57:00 -
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WoW has it, it's easy, it's better then 'Ignore' function, it works. But it's not very efficient if you consider the modus operandi of gold/ISK spammers.
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CyberGh0st
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2008.01.21 09:34:00 -
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Well, our company has had junkmail problems for quite some time. We worked on it tho and now we have a system where 99% of the junkmail gets caught, with only 0.001% of false positives. Thing is our employees could see we were doing something about it. We informed them of new anti-spam software, updates, changes, custom filters and we educated the people so they knew what they themselves could do.
The ISK selling stuff is to me pretty much the same, you can fight it, but only if you do something about it and inform/educate the players, I don't see any of that happening, and as a new player you are lost to what you have to do to report ISK spam. ( besides right-click block, but that is not reporting ).
Greetings
CyberGh0st aka Cyberwiz aka Mentakh Active @ EvE Online Retired @ DAoC / UO / WoW / SWG / LOTRO / Diablo I - II / Planetside / Entropia / Lineage / Guildwars / EQ |
Tzar'rim
Minmatar Reckless Corsairs
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Posted - 2008.01.21 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: CyberGh0st Well, our company has had junkmail problems for quite some time. We worked on it tho and now we have a system where 99% of the junkmail gets caught, with only 0.001% of false positives. Thing is our employees could see we were doing something about it. We informed them of new anti-spam software, updates, changes, custom filters and we educated the people so they knew what they themselves could do.
The ISK selling stuff is to me pretty much the same, you can fight it, but only if you do something about it and inform/educate the players, I don't see any of that happening, and as a new player you are lost to what you have to do to report ISK spam. ( besides right-click block, but that is not reporting ).
Greetings
The problem is that the spammers aren't also your employees in your case, thus informing your company only has benefits. If the spammers would be IN your company and you'd inform them of what and how you are coping with it, they'd know how to work around it.
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Lunch Money
Teylas Inc. Rare Faction
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Posted - 2008.01.21 12:12:00 -
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Its getting worse and worse that true. Now they even put application spaming adverts about selling isk.
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fugimi
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Posted - 2008.01.21 12:41:00 -
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this is a wonderful idea, one of many that has been suggested. However, there is one problem with it, and it start by your wrong assumption that ccp prefer channels to be free of isk sellers ads.
from what i'v learned about this subject these are your options: either give up on this matter and take it up the *cough*, join an anger managment program, or quit eve.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:02:00 -
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Originally by: fugimi this is a wonderful idea, one of many that has been suggested. However, there is one problem with it, and it start by your wrong assumption that ccp prefer channels to be free of isk sellers ads.
from what i'v learned about this subject these are your options: either give up on this matter and take it up the *cough*, join an anger managment program, or quit eve.
I'm sorry...
WHAT?
You're full of it arent you?
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fugimi
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:12:00 -
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lol its the truth i swear it.
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Shadow Joy
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Posted - 2008.01.21 13:52:00 -
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While I don't agree with fugimi, I do wonder sometimes how CCP feels about ISK spam.
Actions speak louder than words after all.
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado Right now, I'd be happy if trial accounts couldn't apply to join a corporation. I get numerous ISK Spams a day from would-be recruits, most of whom I'm sure didn't pay for their account.
Or at least give corps the option to set this.
But then, like the option to ignore trial accounts not in your address book, this would mean that no new players would every start playing eve, eh CCP?
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Sirex007
Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:15:00 -
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why not just add an option to ignore all text from trail accounts ?
or am i missing something that makes this problem complicated ?
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Raem Civrie
Sons of Enelaise Enelaise
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:19:00 -
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I propose the following, in line with suggestions here and previous limitations to trial accounts.
- Limit trial account chat. Only allow them to receive private chat requests. Stop them from messaging me. - Limit trial account channel access. Limit them to read-only in help channel. Stop them from spamming my chanz. - Limit trial account module usage. Stop them from shoosting my ships. - Limit trial account ship usage further. Stop them from overtaking my rusty cruiser in a flash mod Gallente Incurzus II. - Limit trial accounts to 2 days. I don't like them getting to train longer than that for free. - Limit trial accounts to Eastern Orthodox players only. I want to see exclusive Greek/Balkan trial users for reasons of aesthetic. - Limit trial accounts to janitors. Only someone who has covered a 3-meter spread vomit with sawdust should be free to appreciate EVE for two days. - Limit trial accounts to stations. I don't want south-eastern european janitors clogging up my jumpgates.
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fugimi
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Sirex007 why not just add an option to ignore all text from trail accounts ?
or am i missing something that makes this problem complicated ?
many good SIMPLE solutions have been suggested over the years to prevent/reduce isk sellers channel and mail spam.
many threads opened and thousends of ppl complained about it. but ccp didnt do even 1 tiny single action about anything isk selling related.
as the OP of one of the monster threads about isk sellers networks in eve i can honestly say that i belive that those in CCP who decide on these matters, either dont care about it even slightly, or that they do care and want it to continue.
ask urself these questions:
why cant u add an npc starter corp to blocked mail list (or all trial accounts) ? while u can add player corps ? why r trial accounts allowed to write in channels such as trade channels and ceo channel ? (can trial accounts even start a corp ?) why isnt there a simple option to report isk sellers spammers in the petition system (or right click like the OP suggested) ? how come i got isk sellers spam mail from several characters over a week old ? (even though i had 200k CSPA charge)
now imagine all these question asked and ppl requesting somthing to be done about it for a YEAR or 2 YEARS!! from now and still nothing is done to prevent or manage isk selling spam.
what will u think then ?
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Steve Hawkings
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:43:00 -
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This is one WOW feature i would like added !!
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Agent Li
Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.01.21 14:45:00 -
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OOoh - here's an idea...
put trial accounts on the test server.... where they can try things out, but never be on the TQ server... ------------------
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