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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:14:00 -
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Good video, as others have said. I like that it mentions that you will (should) be flying small ships to start and that they contribute as well.
Only one issue...
"You should join a corp right away."
CCP really misses on the fact that the NPC starter corps (well, at least CAS) have a wealth of information that is available form the old pilots that have never left.
Someone is there that can answer any newbie question and more. Want to mine? here is how. Want to haul, here is how? (you nut job) Want to PvP? here is how. All aspects of Eve's core game play can be explained by players in starter corps. It is BETTER for a player to hang in their NPC starter corp and learn about the game from there.
When a new player starts they don't have a clue as to where they want to go, the NPC corp experience lets them develop on their own, find what they want to do and then they should go and find a corp, since they now know what they want out of the game and can find a corp that matches their goals. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.08 04:19:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote: "You should join a corp right away."
CCP really misses on the fact that the NPC starter corps (well, at least CAS) have a wealth of information that is available form the old pilots that have never left.
You sure you want advice from people who haven't even left the starter corp?
Every corporation that has an actual community will be extremely helpful towards new players. And the ones actually doing something in an organized fashion will be able to provide advice which contains a whole lot more knowledge and insight.
If anything, every new player should get an EVE-mail about E-UNI on creation, or a similar group like Agony. Get rid of starter corps, they do next to nothing except harbor players too afraid to venture out into the universe. |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.08 06:00:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote:Good video, as others have said. I like that it mentions that you will (should) be flying small ships to start and that they contribute as well.
Only one issue...
"You should join a corp right away."
CCP really misses on the fact that the NPC starter corps (well, at least CAS) have a wealth of information that is available form the old pilots that have never left.
Someone is there that can answer any newbie question and more. Want to mine? here is how. Want to haul, here is how? (you nut job) Want to PvP? here is how. All aspects of Eve's core game play can be explained by players in starter corps. It is BETTER for a player to hang in their NPC starter corp and learn about the game from there.
When a new player starts they don't have a clue as to where they want to go, the NPC corp experience lets them develop on their own, find what they want to do and then they should go and find a corp, since they now know what they want out of the game and can find a corp that matches their goals.
The last thing you should do is take anything an npc dude (oh the irony) says seriously. While there's some helpful alts here and there's also professional-grade trolls who want to blow you up and life-long carebears who are going to spew a bunch of bullshit about how Satanism is practiced in nullsec or something.
Even a really bad high-sec corp is miles better than an NPC corp. |

Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.08 06:27:00 -
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Zirse wrote:
Even a really bad high-sec corp is miles better than an NPC corp.
Unfortunately I believe this will get removed but my response...
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12313941
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1056
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:51:00 -
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Excellent video by CCP
Ashina Sito wrote:Good video, as others have said. I like that it mentions that you will (should) be flying small ships to start and that they contribute as well.
Only one issue...
"You should join a corp right away."
CCP really misses on the fact that the NPC starter corps (well, at least CAS) have a wealth of information that is available form the old pilots that have never left.
Someone is there that can answer any newbie question and more. Want to mine? here is how. Want to haul, here is how? (you nut job) Want to PvP? here is how. All aspects of Eve's core game play can be explained by players in starter corps. It is BETTER for a player to hang in their NPC starter corp and learn about the game from there.
When a new player starts they don't have a clue as to where they want to go, the NPC corp experience lets them develop on their own, find what they want to do and then they should go and find a corp, since they now know what they want out of the game and can find a corp that matches their goals. +1.
I agree, new players can learn a lot from the original starter NPC corp while completing the Tutorial, Career and SoE level 1 Epic Arc. After that new players would have a better idea about game mechanics and researching info, especially when looking to join a player owned corp.
What's funny is seeing a Testy and a Corp jumping WarDec evading character talk sh*t about long time members in NPC starter corps. Most Player owned corporations don't even want to talk to new players until they have at least 5 mill skill points. |

Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
127
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Posted - 2012.02.08 07:59:00 -
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Not enuf pirate ships in the video. Add more navy hulls.
But a I guess its a good video if your not super in to pirate/navy ship hulls. I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-a-aI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-aMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |

Ifly Uwalk
Concentrated Evil Mining For Profit Alliance
158
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Posted - 2012.02.08 08:17:00 -
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That vid is total pwn. |

Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
515
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Posted - 2012.02.08 08:22:00 -
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Zirse wrote:While I feel that the new website delivered in some areas and missed the mark in others; the new video is great! It actually emphasizes things that need to be emphasized without inventing a 'cool factor' that doesn't exist in the game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI4VkO6qr0UGood work CCP.
That's one awesome piece of awesomeness.
Now make the UI look like in the video. I mean somebody actually designed that ui in the video right? Make him UI assistant, damnit.
and this:
Liam Mirren wrote:That vid owns, like a lot.
This needs to be shown in the CQ on new accounts. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
607
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Posted - 2012.02.08 08:29:00 -
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so you blobbed a bunch of t1 battleships with smaller ships that could have 1v1ed those BSes easily in competent hands?
I fail to see the significance. First, that isn't even remotely an impressive kill. Second, kills are meaningless to this discussion. The primary benefit corps provide are community, friendship and advice - not KMs. |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:12:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:
What's funny is seeing a Testy and a Corp jumping WarDec evading character talk sh*t about long time members in NPC starter corps..
lol
Confirming my station trader gets dec'ed all the time and I'm scared. |
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Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
607
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:22:00 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: What's funny is seeing a Testy and a Corp jumping WarDec evading character talk sh*t about long time members in NPC starter corps. Most Player owned corporations don't even want to talk to new players until they have at least 5 mill skill points.
Trust me, if I was afraid of a wardec or combat, I wouldn't be in TEST. We get quite a bit of both, thanks to our reputation of being terrible. Its a beautiful thing. |

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:53:00 -
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Zirse wrote:
The last thing you should do is take anything an npc dude (oh the irony) says seriously. While there's some helpful alts here and there's also professional-grade trolls who want to blow you up and life-long carebears who are going to spew a bunch of bullshit about how Satanism is practiced in nullsec or something.
Even a really bad high-sec corp is miles better than an NPC corp.
This is my experience exactly. Every time I log on an alt and read the NPC corp chat for a while I get annoyed with all the bad advice and misinformation people are given. Those corps are fine at giving out objective info about how mechanics work, but almost always there is false or distorted info given in the mix. The further from highsec the topic gets, the worse the advice given tends to get, since only a few have actual experience while many have strong opinions about it. The advice given is often from the perspective of the people who didn't make it, didn't even try or who have only heard things about it, instead of from people who did do things succesfully and are still doing and enjoying it.
There are good things about being in a large NPC corp. Talking to loads of people being the most important one, but it really isn't the best place to get advice on some things. On little things or simple things, yes, but you're better of reading a guide or asking on the forums, if you need a detailed response or have a more specialized quesion.
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Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
335
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:01:00 -
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Steve Celeste wrote:What game is this?
It is what CCP wishes EVE would be.
(some assembly still required)
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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:03:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:so you blobbed a bunch of t1 battleships with smaller ships that could have 1v1ed those BSes easily in competent hands? I fail to see the significance. First, that isn't even remotely an impressive kill. Second, kills are meaningless to this discussion. The primary benefit corps provide are community, friendship and advice - not KMs.
You are failing to see that the majority of the people in that fight in those small ships are in CAS, an NPC starter corp. You say that NPC corps are worthless yet here is a group of players getting together and doing a PvP roam. Not only that but if you look, they took down 3 BS's with the loss of only 2 ships. To do that you need community, friendship, advice and instruction.
The real question is "could a bad high-sec corp go into low sec and give a spanking to some pirates?" The answer is no. So, your comment is blatantly wrong.
It is had to say there is a community here in NPC corps, mainly because players and CCP ignore the fact that communities exist in NPC corps. I posted that fight because it is the only way to have "pics or it didn't happen". It demonstrates that NPC corps do offer more then CCP believes, KM's are only a fraction of that. |

Hikaru Kuroda
Shimai of New Eden
32
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:12:00 -
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Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:scam, thats not the game im playing
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Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:30:00 -
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It was a good video but it didn't sit well with me. It tried to pose itself as something that a pilot in New Eden would be shown but then breaks character and talks about how the character is an avatar. |

Zirse
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
265
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Posted - 2012.02.08 10:47:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:It was a good video but it didn't sit well with me. It tried to pose itself as something that a pilot in New Eden would be shown but then breaks character and talks about how the character is an avatar.
OOC: roleplayers are gay |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
237
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:05:00 -
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Well, you can see the true CCP trademark in it:
... it is AWESOME! Yay! ... and it is only available in low resolution (who else than CCP?)  EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-a |

DarkAegix
Acetech Systems
908
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:17:00 -
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S P A C E S H I P S !
And, Indahmawar Fazmarai, since when is 1080p considered low res? |

Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
800
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:24:00 -
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ZEE ZEE PEE you rocks when you want !!
That vid is just awesome. (the chick voice is sexeh, me wants)
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
237
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:29:00 -
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DarkAegix wrote:S P A C E S H I P S !
And, Indahmawar Fazmarai, since when is 1080p considered low res?
Only 360 in my Youtube...   EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-a |

Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
237
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:32:00 -
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Dammit... more silly Opera vs HTML5 compatibility issues. **epic facepalm**
It is just funny how YouTube decided to enlist me into their testing of HTML5 player w/o asking me. Specially as my browser lacks h.264 compatibility.
That explains a lot of the issues i've been having with youtube lately, btw. They should ask people wether they want to test or not their technology. EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents.
EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about...-a |

Jace Errata
Lawlz Brawlz Dec Shield
97
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:34:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:It was a good video but it didn't sit well with me. It tried to pose itself as something that a pilot in New Eden would be shown but then breaks character and talks about how the character is an avatar. That is a little off, though the part about using cloning tech to make the look you want is correct. I was also a little annoyed when the narrator referred to EVE rather than New Eden. Let's...just assume there's some kind of signature here, 'k? ... ... OH WAIT. Jace Errata on Twitter |

Cylide Askald
Jelly Baby Corporation Fidelas Constans
0
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Posted - 2012.02.08 11:37:00 -
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Lulz, they don't even advertise mining as a profession anymore. |

Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers Axiom Solaris
111
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Posted - 2012.02.08 12:23:00 -
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Zirse wrote:Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:It was a good video but it didn't sit well with me. It tried to pose itself as something that a pilot in New Eden would be shown but then breaks character and talks about how the character is an avatar. OOC: roleplayers are gay Swing and a miss. I do not roleplay nor am a homosexual let alone a combination of both. If they wanted to make it like a video that would be seen if you lived in New Eden (which they have done before) they can but don't halfway through the video go breaking character. Either roleplay or don't. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:17:00 -
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Ashina Sito wrote: You are failing to see that the majority of the people in that fight in those small ships are in CAS, an NPC starter corp. You say that NPC corps are worthless yet here is a group of players getting together and doing a PvP roam. Not only that but if you look, they took down 3 BS's with the loss of only 2 ships. To do that you need community, friendship, advice and instruction.
No, I definately noticed that. After all my reply was mentioning how unimpressive it was and tieing it into the previous discussion about corps. It should have been pretty obvious.
And like I said, you could have done this with far fewer ships, and doing it solo would have been possible. So it wasn't even a good example of an unrelated KM being posted out of the blue. |

Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
609
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:19:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:It was a good video but it didn't sit well with me. It tried to pose itself as something that a pilot in New Eden would be shown but then breaks character and talks about how the character is an avatar.
Avatar: 1: the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu) 2a: an incarnation in human form b: an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person 3: a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity 4: an electronic image that represents and is manipulated by a computer user (as in a computer game) |

Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
167
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:37:00 -
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Great vid, although they could go easier on the nice and shiny fake UI parts (or introduce them on TQ asap)
As what comes to NPC corps, CAS is a poor example as it is the only one that is actually any good at all (out of the ones I've had characters in at leas). They have frequent, organised activity resembling real corps, and people who aren't 100% scaredbears. Very good starter corp.
FNA, UC and RUN are **** for your career development, and the "boohoo lowsec kills" -attitude prevails in those.
Pator Tech chat is dead 99% of time, black silence only punctured by bad trolling and confused broken english that never gets replied.
Of course there are good people in those too, but if you go with the general attitude, you will waste months of precious game time "waiting to be ready" for the real EVE.
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Grey Azorria
Federation Industries
39
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Posted - 2012.02.08 16:37:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:It was a good video but it didn't sit well with me. It tried to pose itself as something that a pilot in New Eden would be shown but then breaks character and talks about how the character is an avatar. Avatar: 1: the incarnation of a Hindu deity (as Vishnu) 2a: an incarnation in human form b: an embodiment (as of a concept or philosophy) often in a person 3: a variant phase or version of a continuing basic entity 4: an electronic image that represents and is manipulated by a computer user (as in a computer game) 5: The Amarr titan Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience. |

supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
58
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Posted - 2012.02.08 18:15:00 -
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Wtf is wrong with the voice, still fake graphics, fake overlay, fake char marker rofl... needs MOAR fake
Ya same fake ****... cept now with a voice that needs to die in a fire. |
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