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Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:41:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Quote: 1) physically stronger opponent wins when all else is equal
2) larger numbers wins when all else is equal
There have been thousands of examples throughout the history of our species and currently that completely prove both of these points wrong, as for your comment about me personally, this is a game, the point isn't survival the point is being able to progress and have fun, if I'm actually forced to log out of a game I have paid for because of another players actions, that isn't fun that's just stupid and unnecessary. It's like this whole stupid argument that is repeated on here where people seem to think that you should somehow be forced to work hard in a video game that is provided purely for entertainment and fun.
You didn't even read those two sentences or the rest of the post.
You seem to have decided the Point of EVE, a vague idea that most people don't agree on, and they don't have to, because it's a freaking sandbox.
Oh and no, you were not forced to log out of a game. You chose to use cowardly metagame measure to avoid losing. |
TrashProcesor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:41:00 -
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Op you are wrong and rest are right. 0-0 means no rules aka FUN and if you tune in and learn the ropes it could be the most rewarding place in eve(don't know about wh space to much so don't quote me on this one). |
Drew Solaert
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:47:00 -
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If you want to try making a living in Null that's your choice.
If people want to shoot you in Null that's their choice
You seem to think that you get to make the choice for both those statements |
Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2012.02.07 14:55:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:Cebraio wrote:First, as a lone newbie in 0.0 you are expected to die. Simple as that. Being successful in 0.0 requires to be in a corp (as part of an alliance) or to be an experienced player with some kind of protection (cloaking).
Second, noob characters are used as scouts in 0.0. So even if you are not a worthy opponent to them, killing and podding you could mean one possible scout less. Especially when there is a war in the region. First, this isn't how a game should be, ... This is your problem.
Instead of fighting how the game is, you should try to embrace it. Try and understand that dodging, or trying to kill that "ganker" *is* the game, and running those NPC missions is just a side activity to make some ISK. |
Reilly Duvolle
Hydra Squadron
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:00:00 -
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A Sandbox game. Do you even understand what that means?
It means it is a sandbox for everybody, not just you.
You are free to venture out to NPC nullsec and do distribution missions for a level 1 agent, if you so please.
But the guy in the commandship is also free to camp you and kill you, if he so please.
If you cant grasp this fundamental thruth about this game, i guess EVE isnt for you. |
Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:01:00 -
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Almost all of nullsec is NBSI. If you're not blue with the locals you'll be reported in the local intel channel by every person who sees you, along with what you're flying and what you appear to be doing. If you get squished because you didn't bother to learn anything at all about the nullsec metagame, that's your own problem because frankly nobody else is going to care. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan |
Citizen Smif
Comply Or Die
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:04:00 -
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What is this tech 2 battlecruiser you speak of? And how do I get one?
So let me get this right.. This is a problem which involves the strong preying on the weak? Yes. Solution? Get strong.
Seriously though - 0.0 was never designed to be noob friendly.. Make some friends, join a decent corp, get some decent ships.. Have a station insta-warp. There's plenty of tactics you can use to get around this but you're woefully unprepared for 0.0. Some people solo in 0.0 but I don't recommend it.. There's no expectation that noobs should fare well anywhere, let alone 0.0.. In EVE you need a load of friends on your side so get out there and start licking ass, because by the sounds of it you really really need to.
Also.. wtf are you doing mining in 0.0 in a noob ship? Are you trolling? Because I'm pretty sure I smell something funky coming from underneath the bridge. |
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:11:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: ... the only problem is this is an alt.
Troll alt in fact.
Quote: so I'll have to wait awhile and inject more ISK, yet again, how everyone can expect a complete noob with no ISK or experience with the game to progress in 0.0 is beyond me.
Nobody expects a complete noob with no isk to survive in 0.0, let alone progress.
Nice troll though :)
This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Tore Vest
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:11:00 -
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Stay in highsec m8.. Highsec carebear... and proud of it |
Jhan Niber
EdgeGamers
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:21:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: What they should be doing is making PvE in 0.0 space much easier and more rewarding since the threat of gankers being everywhere alone is a lot to handle if you aren't in a corporation or alliance.
This is your problem. 0.0 is like raids in lesser mmo's but better. You can't expect to live out there on your own. Low-sec is the farthest out place that you can expect to live on your own and that is pushing it. If you see the numbers 0.0 up in the corner, you'd better be in a group or just passing through in something really fast. Whining in this game will never get you anywhere, which is precisely what you are doing. It shows weakness and immaturity, and you're finding the hard way that neither of those will get you any help, as it is in life. Learn from your experiences and try to change things, sure. Those are what is supposed to happen in this game, the sandbox aspect. We're all in the sandbox together but don't expect mommy and daddy to come in and spank the other kid because he threw sand in your face.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=VgvM7av1o1Q#t=60s
You should watch that. |
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TrashProcesor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:36:00 -
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Awesome |
Roime
UNFRL Fleet Operations CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:37:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:
Nice troll though :)
Damn :D
Very good troll!
10/10
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TrashProcesor
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.07 15:42:00 -
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Troll or no troll I'm sure many new players feel the same and I feel their pain, god knows I was that man myself once. Embrace that anger and grief and turn them into pure paranoia and smartness and you'll make it in null sec. |
Honnete Du Decimer
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Posted - 2012.02.07 16:29:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:how the hell can these 0.0 vets expect noobs to fly into 0.0 space .
Be meat. PMS |
Tithi
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.07 17:48:00 -
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Judging by the things he says in other threads, i actually don't know if this is a troll...
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66842&p=3 |
knobber Jobbler
Seniors Clan Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:04:00 -
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Op: there are several reasons to why he wanted to kill you: You were a cyno ship. You were suicide tackle and he actually was biting the bait. You were a cheap newbie no risk kill.
My money is on the last one. Go back again but with a point and some buddies and do exactly the same thing but kill the dude when he follows you through. Don't forget to salvage his ship either.
St Mio wrote:Don't take it personal, it's just that many people in game believe in an "If it moves, shoot it" philosophy, along with being fiercely territorial of their home grounds.
To me it sounds like a guy in a shiney wants an easy and near guaranteed. |
baltec1
560
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:07:00 -
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You didnt set up an insta undock why?
You did not go out in a cov ops why? |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:12:00 -
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There is literally nothing he has posted that is not a troll. Tears maybe. http://i.imgur.com/cOmMP.gif |
Alua Oresson
The Dominion of Light BLACK-MARK
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Posted - 2012.02.07 18:29:00 -
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Citizen Smif wrote:What is this tech 2 battlecruiser you speak of? And how do I get one?
Eos, Astarte, Vulture, Nighthawk, Damnation..... You get one buy purchasing it and training the skill Command Ships... |
Rhinanna
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:36:00 -
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And now you will be forever dammed for not meantioning the Sleipnir!!!!! -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |
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Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:40:00 -
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Claymore and Absolution? Anyone? |
Renslip Darkdraught
The Mighty Thirsties
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:51:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:I should have the choice to not die and do as I please
Umm... so when you were playing Warcraft, and you ventured into an area beyond your skill level...what happened then?
...also nice troll You can't win. You can't break even. You can't quit.
-Ginsberg |
Rhinanna
CyberShield Inc ROMANIAN-LEGION
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:55:00 -
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He went and cried on the forums ofc! :) -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á |
Doc Severide
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.08 13:56:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: my position has always been games like this should be a sandbox for everyone, not just for a select few, namely I don't think that gankers should have an automatic advantage over people or 0.0 alliances just because they have the biggest numbers. You kidding or just stupid. This is EVE, this is how it works. Do you actually think more numbers should NOT be an advantage? Clearly you are in the wrong game. No one cares about your problems, play like the rest of us or quit.
Do you think you are the only one who has ever been in this position? You are a whiner and obviously way to immature to be playing this game.... |
Sprite Can
5
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:00:00 -
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Aiwha wrote:Do not venture into 0.0 alone with less than 7 million sp.
If you do you are going to die. This is fact.
I wouldn't try to rough it alone with less than ten personally. Either join a corp or carebear it up in highsec for a few weeks.
This is awful advice. There is no magic number of SP where suddenly you are competent enough to go into 0.0. It's all in the pilot, not in the clone. Refreshing Lemon-Lime~ |
Valei Khurelem
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:06:00 -
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Quote: You kidding or just stupid. This is EVE, this is how it works. Do you actually think more numbers should NOT be an advantage? Clearly you are in the wrong game. No one cares about your problems, play like the rest of us or quit.
Well I'm done responding intelligently in this thread because no one else against me is bothering to so:
TLDR of troll posts: THIS IS EVE! IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A POORLY DESIGNED GANKERS GAME! STFU YOU NOOB! YOU NEED TO HAVE 300 PEOPLE IN YOUR CORP AND BE PART OF AN ALLIANCE TO DO ANYTHING IN 0.0 SPACE! YOU'RE A ******* NOOB! GTFO! DON'T FORGET TO SPEND A MONTH TRAINING THE APPROPRIATE SKILLS FIRST SO YOU CAN CLOAK AND KILL NPCS FOR US SO WE CAN TAX YOU WITHOUT DOING ANYTHING OURSELVES AND THEN TAKE ALL YOUR ASSETS ANYWAY BECAUSE YOU'RE A NOOOOOOOOB! YOU HAVE TO PLAY BY MY RULES OR GET GANKED! THIS IS A SANDBOX SO I CAN DO WHATEVER THE **** I LIKE EVEN THOUGH I'M TOO STUPID TO CATCH YOU BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
^
This, ladies and gentlemen, is a troll, now gtfo this forum you classless noobs.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
Cebraio
Starfire Oasis
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:11:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote: Well I'm done responding intelligently in this thread because no one else against me is bothering to so:
Oh, there have been intelligent responses. You just keep ignoring them, if they don't fit into your stance.
(Instead you just focus on the offending posts and act as if we all were noob bashing - which we weren't.)
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Rel'k Bloodlor
Mecha Enterprises Fleet Villore Accords
128
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:11:00 -
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A) there called insta warps, make them
B) he doesn't know you, how dose he know for certain you are a newb running missions and not a cyno alt gathering intel? I am in Factional Warfare. Have been from day one.-á-áI will never work for a mega corp in null-sec. Do not make FW like null-sec.-áMake FW worth our time. Reword us for what we already do.Give us some more activities to do. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4851
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:12:00 -
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Valei Khurelem wrote:First, this isn't how a game should be, you may as well just show cinematics of noob frigates being killed constantly and gain ISK and skill points just for that. I should have the choice to not die and do as I please especially in a sandbox if it's not hurting anyone You do have that choice. In fact, you made that choice. So what is the problem?
Oh, and due to how the sandbox is set up GÇö in particular with it's massive market in the middle as one of its main driving forces GÇö you are hurting someone, no matter what you're doing. That's the whole point of the game: inescapable and unavoidable conflict.
Quote:I do wonder at times whether people like you actually read before you post, my position has always been games like this should be a sandbox for everyone, not just for a select few The problem is that you don't quite get what a GÇ£sandboxGÇ¥ means. It doesn't mean that you can do whatever you want. It means everyone can do whatever they want, which might-áwill include things you do not want them to do (and in definitely includes them doing things to you that you don't want, just like you can do things to them that they don't wantGǪ much like what you did). If you are saying GÇ£I should be allowed to do anything at a whimGÇ¥ then you are indeed imposing crippling restrictions on what those other people can do, and this gouges large holes the sandbox. Most likely, you've learned about the sandbox concept from some single-player game where your will is, indeed, the key focus and the entire game is built to support that will, and you've not considered what happens if you apply it to a multiplayer setting.
What happens is EVE. What happens is what you just experienced: where others can do what they want to you if they have to tools to do so and you lack the tools to stop them. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Valei Khurelem
278
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Posted - 2012.02.08 14:18:00 -
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Quote:(Instead you just focus on the offending posts and act as if we all were noob bashing - which we weren't.)
I was making a post that contained all the quotes from people noob bashing but I honestly ended up with 5 quotes being my maximum, that's how bad this thread has gotten, this entire forum is made up of noob bashing and it's pretty hilarious to watch and **** you lot off. You may be more polite than everyone else but you still love to place the blame on new players.
Quote: A) there called insta warps, make them
B) he doesn't know you, how dose he know for certain you are a newb running missions and not a cyno alt gathering intel?
Hi, thanks for making one of the only intelligent posts I've seen in this whole thread :) have a like.
Apparently on this forum you can only be two things if you didn't subscribe during beta, a troll or a noob and both are never taken seriously, I think I'll start treating some of the regular forum posters I see around here as trolls just so I can see what happens.
"don't get us wrong, we don't want to screw new players, on the contrary. The core problem here is that tech 1 frigates and cruisers should be appealing enough to be viable platforms in both PvE and PvP." -á - CCP Ytterbium |
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