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Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:30:00 -
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I realise that the market is a massive feature in eve. And I understand how things must be done carefully, so as not to upset it. But i believe that the market is the greatest thing holding eve back now.
Eve pilots need to feel there is something out there worth going for. ATM there is WAY too low rewards. Everyone is in highsec. And CCP cannot do a thing about it because they are scared ,,,, of the market
I say ignore the market CCP, let it go haywire. EvE comes first , the market will have to just get on with it |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:33:00 -
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What is it exactly, that you want to do and achieve? |
Jhan Niber
EdgeGamers
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:37:00 -
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This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've read. |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians Wall of Shadow
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:37:00 -
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Kill the market! quote CCP Spitfire
"Hello Im Blue,"
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Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:40:00 -
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someone else to block (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:45:00 -
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I need space, and everyone is crowded in one tiny bit in the middle of the map. I need a good reason to go on with my eve career. I want lowsec to be made a place where great riches are got with risk. I want 0.0 space that lies outside sov space to compare to SOV space in the ordinary resources I want to see EvE made attractive to the masses not just the few with strange tastes
Its pretty barren out there |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1799
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:51:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:I need space, and everyone is crowded in one tiny bit in the middle of the map. I need a good reason to go on with my eve career. I want lowsec to be made a place where great riches are got with risk. I want 0.0 space that lies outside sov space to compare to SOV space in the ordinary resources I want to see EvE made attractive to the masses not just the few with strange tastes
Its pretty barren out there How does the market prevent any of that? It's just a place where people place orders to conveniently buy and sell items. |
Terbulus
Everlasting Forge Imperial Ascension
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:53:00 -
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I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 18:57:00 -
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CCP cannot put reward out there as it will upset the market Its quite simple
They fuss around with stuff like metal scraps cos they believe its important.
Do you realise how exciting loot drops could be if it wasnt for the precious market? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:08:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:CCP cannot put reward out there as it will upset the market Its quite simple
They fuss around with stuff like metal scraps cos they believe its important.
Do you realise how exciting loot drops could be if it wasnt for the precious market?
Why should my enjoyment be destroyed for the sake of wow like loot drops?
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Count Spank
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:09:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:someone else to block
That is offtopic information Lady spinky spanky |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:10:00 -
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EVE has 99 problems, the Market ain't one of them.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:26:00 -
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and you are saying that lowsec being unininviting and null very much the same is not one of your 99 problems? CCP state time and again that they want people out there. But simple reward is not forthcomming after years.
Take the case of miners then.
If i go into 0.4 space with a small mining fleet, i expect to see something one bit better than highsec, its a no brainer. Yet lowsec persists with very much a selection of highsec ores. Why? Because it would upset the market. loot drops the same exploration sites are squabbled over, there are not enough anywhere. faction spawns are not so rare, but its rare to get anything better than ammo. Plenty more cases of lack of rewards for effort All in the name of not unbalencing the market |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
1799
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:29:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:CCP cannot put reward out there as it will upset the market Its quite simple
They fuss around with stuff like metal scraps cos they believe its important.
Do you realise how exciting loot drops could be if it wasnt for the precious market?
Exciting like what? Dropping huge amounts of faction/officer loot from all over the place? Those things are only special and worth a lot because they are somewhat rare, so you can get a high price from selling them. If you give them out like candy they stop being special and quickly drop in price, so everyone will have them and the income gained from them will drop after the short initial spike. They also stop giving you any advantage, since everyone will be using them, so what would be the point of doing it? The problem with that isn't the market havoc, the problem is that it makes large parts of industry totally pointless and turns the rare drops to generic loot.
Those things aren't minor issues or holding EVE back in any way. Rare loot needs to stay rare or it loses the things that made it special in the first place. Industry on the other hand is a major pilar in EVE and provides totally different types of gameplay for people to enjoy besides pew-pew. Keeping it viable and central expands what EVE can offer and makes EVE a much better game as a whole. |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:40:00 -
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I will tell you what i believe players want in their loot...
They want usefull things, things that are better than they have, and better than they can afford. Stuff to put ship fits together that they can be proud of.
Not another cartload of crap |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:43:00 -
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This must be a troll thread... 10/10 because it obviously succeeded. I mean...it IS a troll thread right? Has to be...if not...I have lost all faith in humanity. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:44:00 -
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I have manange to decipher the estranged ramblings of the OP.
I believe it is a dislike for the pseudo oligopolies that exist in game (Jita, Amarr, Dodixie, Rens) that is used for convenience and as an influential guide for market pricing.
So other than the fact that the OP doesn't realise that the market is player influenced and open to freedom based on player activity and believes it is his right to have CCP setup a hypermarket in his estranged low sec back quarter in the far reaches of nowhere for no real purpose other than personal supply I guess. |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:00:00 -
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hehe
im sorry mate but its you with the marbles missing
do you not realise that CCP are the ones that set the rewards for actually flying ships out there. And the items that people gain, then have a direct influence on the market? |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:03:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:hehe
im sorry mate but its you with the marbles missing
do you not realise that CCP are the ones that set the rewards for actually flying ships out there. And the items that people gain, then have a direct influence on the market?
The value for which are determined by a "player influenced" economy. Both in terms of pricing and geographical distribution.
Case and point, Jita's history and origins stems from the fact it used to be a prolific missioning system. |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:13:00 -
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sure its a good troll, as you are right, but unfortunately we do not have this situation.
rewards are the one and only plain reasoin for lack ot players in any area. no matter if its roids or loot.
and everyone is huddled in highsec,
Why? Lack of reward for effort, its been like it too long.
Why? because there is no room on the market for enough rewards to make everyone happy
The market needs to expand so that all players old and new, can all feel they have enjoyed good rewards for hard efforts |
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Rath Kelbore
The Six-Pack Syndicate EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:20:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:and you are saying that lowsec being unininviting and null very much the same is not one of your 99 problems? CCP state time and again that they want people out there. But simple reward is not forthcomming after years.
Take the case of miners then.
If i go into 0.4 space with a small mining fleet, i expect to see something one bit better than highsec, its a no brainer. Yet lowsec persists with very much a selection of highsec ores. Why? Because it would upset the market. loot drops the same exploration sites are squabbled over, there are not enough anywhere. faction spawns are not so rare, but its rare to get anything better than ammo. Plenty more cases of lack of rewards for effort All in the name of not unbalencing the market
Oh i see what you're getting at. High sec ore, lvl 4 missions, and high sec incursions should be nerfed so there's a reason to go into low(to get different ores perhaps, or run incursions and lvl 4 missions) and null sec(for high end ores, high end rats, high end loot drops, pirate missions, high end exploration sites ect). Right?
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Tian Nu
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:23:00 -
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Jhan Niber wrote:This has to be one of the dumbest posts I've read.
Father O'Malley about Darius III begging for whelp: GÇ£Hows that working out for ya ? I make it 02:21 and all I see is you begging Riverini to get numbers and trying to recruit from the incursion public channel.GÇ¥ |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:29:00 -
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Rath Kelbore wrote:Chip Flux wrote:and you are saying that lowsec being unininviting and null very much the same is not one of your 99 problems? CCP state time and again that they want people out there. But simple reward is not forthcomming after years.
Take the case of miners then.
If i go into 0.4 space with a small mining fleet, i expect to see something one bit better than highsec, its a no brainer. Yet lowsec persists with very much a selection of highsec ores. Why? Because it would upset the market. loot drops the same exploration sites are squabbled over, there are not enough anywhere. faction spawns are not so rare, but its rare to get anything better than ammo. Plenty more cases of lack of rewards for effort All in the name of not unbalencing the market Oh i see what you're getting at. High sec ore, lvl 4 missions, and high sec incursions should be nerfed so there's a reason to go into low(to get different ores perhaps, or run incursions and lvl 4 missions) and null sec(for high end ores, high end rats, high end loot drops, pirate missions, high end exploration sites ect). Right?
The very fact that they would even consider nerfing highsec, proves my point. If they employ the resources to make everyone happy And get people into lowsec, they recon it would break the market
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Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:30:00 -
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The reason why Jita exists is because of an early generated market around the activity of supplying mission runners as a place for conveniance.
The volumes and conveniance of a significant distribution of all if not the majority of items in the main hubs are the biggest attraction of them today as a result. And they have been a self propelling advert ever since.
A lot of manufacturing occurs in high sec and then shifted to these trade hubs due to the afforded security associated which enables industrial work. You wont see a T1 freighter wishing to distribute large stocks of goods or bulky items through low sec for instance.
Hypermarkets will evolve around the players dependant on where the activty is as a result of the above.
Funnily enough, you can make more of a profit away from them, as for smaller volumes, people will buy locally at slightly more cost as opposed to travelling to hubs dependant on if they view it as more value to remove the travelling involved as a result. Of course sometimes you then have to link the supply of a few items to complete the attraction, but as a result you can profit from this behaviour.
The risk/reward model affording the reason of where people shop? Doesn't really make sense to me, even low sec pirates or explorers etc will sell significant finds at these hypermarkets anyhow. Unless they have found something sginificantly in demand that they can price accordingly for a baiting tool. So even the low sec population will use High sec both as a supply and saleroom. Am sure some go for an element of self sufficiancy in areas, but most effective low sec pilots have a supply alt pilot as far as I'm aware.
In short if you want to have a local Supermarket near you for conveniance you will have encourage player activity to do so, how you do that I'm unsure, but as EvE is a Sandbox with a player influence economy you will have to in someway change players habits to do this. |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:34:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:The reason why Jita exists is because of an early generated market around the activity of supplying mission runners as a place for conveniance.
The volumes and conveniance of a significant distribution of all if not the majority of items in the main hubs are the biggest attraction of them today as a result. And they have been a self propelling advert ever since.
A lot of manufacturing occurs in high sec and then shifted to these trade hubs due to the afforded security associated which enables industrial work. You wont see a T1 freighter wishing to distribute large stocks of goods or bulky items through low sec for instance.
Hypermarkets will evolve around the players dependant on where the activty is as a result of the above.
Funnily enough, you can make more of a profit away from them, as for smaller volumes, people will buy locally at slightly more cost as opposed to travelling to hubs dependant on if they view it as more value to remove the travelling involved as a result. Of course sometimes you then have to link the supply of a few items to complete the attraction, but as a result you can profit from this behaviour.
The risk/reward model affording the reason of where people shop? Doesn't really make sense to me, even low sec pirates or explorers etc will sell significant finds at these hypermarkets anyhow. Unless they have found something sginificantly in demand that they can price accordingly for a baiting tool. So even the low sec population will use High sec both as a supply and saleroom. Am sure some go for an element of self sufficiancy in areas, but most effective low sec pilots have a supply alt pilot as far as I'm aware.
In short if you want to have a local Supermarket near you for conveniance you will have encourage player activity to do so, how you do that I'm unsure, but as EvE is a Sandbox with a player influenced economy you will have to in someway change players habits to do this.
will someone get this person off my back, he is completely off topic and using my post to boost his counter |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
334
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:46:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:
will someone get this person off my back, he is completely off topic and using my post to boost his counter
LOL
You should have created your brain-fart thread in the Features and Ideas forum area where it belongs and not EVE GD.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:47:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:will someone get this person off my back, he is completely off topic and using my post to boost his counter
Eh? Off topic? Are you serious, he is specifically talking about the market. And seems to making a lot more sense in the process.
"All griefers are lazy cowards with the current climate of broken player policing systems." |
Chip Flux
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 20:55:00 -
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And this is the best the eve community can come back with?
It is pathetic beyond belief.
This is not an idea.
I played eve every day of my 5 odd years
I have an OPINION
And this is where it belongs, where people might actually read it
Ev|E will always have a market, unbalenced or not. But the other way around is impossible |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
61
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:05:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote:And this is the best the eve community can come back with?
It is pathetic beyond belief.
This is not an idea.
I played eve every day of my 5 odd years
I have an OPINION
And this is where it belongs, where people might actually read it
And you are entitled to your opinion, funnily enough so are others, especially when they are merley making objective comments of the current understanding.
Hate to think what you would have said if I started saying things like:
"Low sec pilot needs nerf to high sec by CCP for the meta win!", that's such an alien philisophy in EvE, never seen that kind of intent and maturity before. (Hint: Ever considered just making low sec more attractive as a choice in this sandbox?)
However, I have no urge to make children cry, so I'll leave you to your RANT. |
Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:06:00 -
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Chip Flux wrote: But i believe that the market is the greatest thing holding eve back now.
I believe you're wrong.
The market could be the driving force to move people out of high sec. What is holding Eve back is CCP's instance on coddling null sec alliances. The easier it is for alliances to hold and maintain space, the more difficult it is for anyone else to attempt to profit in those markets or utilize them as customers. |
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