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arghy steelwill
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:40:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 22/12/2007 14:27:52
To be quite honest this really isn't a very good drama bomb at all. Its just a bunch of people ranting through a late night complaining routine because they are a little bit annoyed at the server not working properly. I think everyone who has ever been in a corporation in Eve (with more than 2 members) had listened to this kind of thing in the past and its not exactly newsworthy.
What is more interesting is the degree to which it illustrates:
a) The kinda creepy obsessive quality of 24/7 voice comms infiltration aspiration which reminds a little of the East German experience before the wall came down. (I'd recommend the op go down the dvd shop and rent Leben der Anderen, Das It is an excellent exploration of these themes)
b) That there is a fair degree of bottom of the barrel-scraping in the current propaganda ... (I hesitate to use the word offensive in its military sense) and perhaps you guys should try another approach?
c) It is actually quite heartening that by and large the ordinary population of the game has lost patience for this stuff and perhaps in the future it will simply sweep away unremarked on the tidal currents of CAOD to sink to the bottomless oceans of obscurity where such content truly belongs.
As a veteran of many many years of political manipulation and public relations initiatives in this medium I have to let you know that publishing the late night meandering grumps of some bored alliance footsoldiers is hardly going to set the world aflame. Nor is making the somewhat incredible claim that these people have the same level of seniority and influence as high level alliance leadership in the opposing sphere that happily authorizes exactly the kind of thing you'd appear to be condemning here. Its weak my friend. Weaksauce cooked up in a weak cooking pot on national weak day by the Scalding Pass regional weak association for consideration in the annal weakness awards.
D- (wish you wouldn't bother trying harder.)
Now you see i can take apart your entire post very easily, i dont play this game to please you. We have infiltrated BoB on such a massive level theres nothing juicy anymore, so this is a failure on BoBs part not the GIA. I dont remember BoB being nice to anyone they screwed over why do they expect others to be merciful? if anything this is payback time for all those who suffered under them. You can ask Sesfan but i'm pretty sure GS isent there to please everyone to so im pretty sure we are going to take the 'love us or attack us' stance.
When we started **** we had proof as in T20, does that justify what we did? nope but our goal was to fix a problem that everyone knew of while BoBs goal seems to be throwing a tantrum on the ground screaming at CCP "I WANT MY CANDY BAAAACK I WANT MY CCCCCCCAAAANNDDYYYY!". In every MMO i've played i always hated the elite guys like BoB thats why i joined GS just to smash you arrogant players into the ground laughing at all the accomplishments that you've now lost. TEARS FOR THE MITTENS THRONE!
Shot at 2007-07-19
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Andnowthenews
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:53:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Andnowthenews on 22/12/2007 19:53:32
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: arghy steelwill
Now you see i can take apart your entire post very easily, i dont play this game to please you. We have infiltrated BoB on such a massive level theres nothing juicy anymore, so this is a failure on BoBs part not the GIA. I dont remember BoB being nice to anyone they screwed over why do they expect others to be merciful? if anything this is payback time for all those who suffered under them. You can ask Sesfan but i'm pretty sure GS isent there to please everyone to so im pretty sure we are going to take the 'love us or attack us' stance.
When we started **** we had proof as in T20, does that justify what we did? nope but our goal was to fix a problem that everyone knew of while BoBs goal seems to be throwing a tantrum on the ground screaming at CCP "I WANT MY CANDY BAAAACK I WANT MY CCCCCCCAAAANNDDYYYY!". In every MMO i've played i always hated the elite guys like BoB thats why i joined GS just to smash you arrogant players into the ground laughing at all the accomplishments that you've now lost. TEARS FOR THE MITTENS THRONE!
Goons: "BoB is cheating because there is actual proof of cheating."
BoB: "Goons must be cheating because we are losing and we can't lose...we're BoB!"
I remember a player who got a couple of free t2 bpo's that could barley make a dude self sufficient some time ago and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
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Reem Fairchild
Minmatar Military Industrial Research
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:54:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart
Originally by: Ztang Canary Last time I looked, D-R was just another BoB pet...leads me to wonder why and how on earth you think anyone will take your post serious.
Ask BOB if we ever have paid them a single isk. Because we have not. True friendship don't cost isk you know.
Quote: In any case, like Ive said in another locked thread...the whole idea of BoB feeling unjustly dealt with<insert any other whine made> c r a c k's me up. From being on the dealing end, to being on the receiving end is a harsh wake up...nonetheless something you will have to deal with...like every other entity you've metagamed/infiltrated/spied/etc against in the past. I harbor no sympathy.
Fair enough. But that dosnt change my feeling for beating someone up 20 against 1.
Quote: I do however distance myself from the entire concept of playing this game (emphasize on game) in the way that you people in these beefy alliances do. The moment you step into metagaming, you leave every shred of honor on the doorstep imho..and you deserve every bit of assbiting you get.
I also wish there were more honor in this game. But there is not.
Quote: I guess its a unrealistic dream to think that this game will ever be played with honor and fair-play as the motivating factor. You kids have turned this into "my dad is stronger than your dad"...and use every rotten trick in the book you can find to "make it so"...
"kid"? Im 34...
We dont need what you call "metagaming" though. We can handle it with some Xs in corp chat, a good FC and some T2 fitted battleships.
This is, hands down, the most hilarious post in this thread so far. I love it.
"You defame them. You can make **** up. You do anything to make CCP look as incompetent, biased, cheating, hacking as you possibly can." - a BoB member |
Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:56:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Andnowthenews I remember a player who free t2 bpo's and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
Quote fixed. And yes it is.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:56:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Ramlir
Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 22/12/2007 19:35:59
Originally by: Yussef My god BoB. Go out with some dignity.
Why you did'nt when BOB put you in npc station's and you have yet to achieve that level of destruction or managed to get even this far solo.
You sound a little peaked, m8, is something wrong?
Apart from the fact that there is now less bob ships to shoot in delve cos they are fighting mc no m8 i just like watching ppl like you squirm and call me a bobite or think im suffering.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:57:00 -
[126]
Originally by: marakor Apart from the fact that there is now less bob ships to shoot in delve cos they are fighting mc no m8 i just like watching ppl like you squirm and call me a bobite or think im suffering.
You're clearly a manly man.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:57:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: Andnowthenews I remember a player who free t2 bpo's and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
Quote fixed. And yes it is.
Your english is worse than mine if thats what you call fixed.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 19:58:00 -
[128]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: Andnowthenews I remember a player who free t2 bpo's and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
Quote fixed. And yes it is.
Your english is worse than mine if thats what you call fixed.
It's your quote.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:02:00 -
[129]
Edited by: marakor on 22/12/2007 20:05:28
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: Andnowthenews I remember a player who got 2 free t2 bpo's from a dev and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
Quote fixed. And yes it is.
Your english is worse than mine if thats what you call fixed.
It's your quote.
That seems like better english but im still not 100% on the launguage. It seemed to me that you missed the word "got" out of your so called fix so i readded it.
But hey please explain to me how a couple of ppls cheating with a couple of BPO'S constitutes a 3000 member alliance becoming so good or that they are all cheats?.
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Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:02:00 -
[130]
its you're
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:03:00 -
[131]
There's a difference between some grunts whining after game is broken to alliance leaders giving orders to spam and hurt the game. Actions speak louder then words, but nice try. Propaganda and espionage FTW. Well done.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:04:00 -
[132]
Originally by: marakor they are all cheats.
Well that's a bit harsh. They aren't all cheats.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:05:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Ramlir its you're
Your right.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:08:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor they are all cheats.
Well that's a bit harsh. They aren't all cheats.
Nice to see youre idea of the quoted truth (goon style edited) is still as real as ever, and nice of you to post it here for ppl to so easily see.
thanx
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:09:00 -
[135]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor they are all cheats.
Well that's a bit harsh. They aren't all cheats.
Nice to see youre idea of the quoted truth (goon style edited) is still as real as ever, and nice of you to post it here for ppl to so easily see.
thanx
I hadn't considered that angle. Do you think everyone will hate me now?
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Ztang Canary
Amarr McDuff Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:11:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart
Originally by: Ztang Canary Last time I looked, D-R was just another BoB pet...leads me to wonder why and how on earth you think anyone will take your post serious.
Ask BOB if we ever have paid them a single isk. Because we have not. True friendship don't cost isk you know.
Quote: In any case, like Ive said in another locked thread...the whole idea of BoB feeling unjustly dealt with<insert any other whine made> c r a c k's me up. From being on the dealing end, to being on the receiving end is a harsh wake up...nonetheless something you will have to deal with...like every other entity you've metagamed/infiltrated/spied/etc against in the past. I harbor no sympathy.
Fair enough. But that dosnt change my feeling for beating someone up 20 against 1.
Quote: I do however distance myself from the entire concept of playing this game (emphasize on game) in the way that you people in these beefy alliances do. The moment you step into metagaming, you leave every shred of honor on the doorstep imho..and you deserve every bit of assbiting you get.
I also wish there were more honor in this game. But there is not.
Quote: I guess its a unrealistic dream to think that this game will ever be played with honor and fair-play as the motivating factor. You kids have turned this into "my dad is stronger than your dad"...and use every rotten trick in the book you can find to "make it so"...
"kid"? Im 34...
We dont need what you call "metagaming" though. We can handle it with some Xs in corp chat, a good FC and some T2 fitted battleships.
My friend, I think you missed the blatantly obvious point: First of all, I wasnt talking about you..as in you personally. Seems to me you took it that way...(what do I know, maybe it stung some). Secondly, the measure of your physical years, has very little bearing on the measure of your mental age...hence "kids" seems fitting. Again, just to make that clear to you, Securion...Im not talking specifically about you.
************* Ztang Canary
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Ztang Canary
Amarr McDuff Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:12:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart
Originally by: Ztang Canary Last time I looked, D-R was just another BoB pet...leads me to wonder why and how on earth you think anyone will take your post serious.
Ask BOB if we ever have paid them a single isk. Because we have not. True friendship don't cost isk you know.
Quote: In any case, like Ive said in another locked thread...the whole idea of BoB feeling unjustly dealt with<insert any other whine made> c r a c k's me up. From being on the dealing end, to being on the receiving end is a harsh wake up...nonetheless something you will have to deal with...like every other entity you've metagamed/infiltrated/spied/etc against in the past. I harbor no sympathy.
Fair enough. But that dosnt change my feeling for beating someone up 20 against 1.
Quote: I do however distance myself from the entire concept of playing this game (emphasize on game) in the way that you people in these beefy alliances do. The moment you step into metagaming, you leave every shred of honor on the doorstep imho..and you deserve every bit of assbiting you get.
I also wish there were more honor in this game. But there is not.
Quote: I guess its a unrealistic dream to think that this game will ever be played with honor and fair-play as the motivating factor. You kids have turned this into "my dad is stronger than your dad"...and use every rotten trick in the book you can find to "make it so"...
"kid"? Im 34...
We dont need what you call "metagaming" though. We can handle it with some Xs in corp chat, a good FC and some T2 fitted battleships.
This is, hands down, the most hilarious post in this thread so far. I love it.
Im happy and thrilled we have been able to amuse you :)
************* Ztang Canary
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:12:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor they are all cheats.
Well that's a bit harsh. They aren't all cheats.
Nice to see youre idea of the quoted truth (goon style edited) is still as real as ever, and nice of you to post it here for ppl to so easily see.
thanx
I hadn't considered that angle. Do you think everyone will hate me now?
I doubt it pity is proly the best a clown like you can ever hope for.
Full quote for referance btw;
I remember a player who got a couple of free t2 bpo's that could barley make a dude self sufficient some time ago and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
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Awox
Advanced Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:14:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Ander It's funny how the guys on that tape whine about being treated fair by devs/CCP/GM's when the whole war started based on that reason alone....
If that's the reason you entered the war, how do you feel about GoonSwarm, Red Alliance and others "playing to win with any means necessary" macro/sweatshop farmers (23/7 is macro or eula violation don't dance around this) logging off to avoid pvp that they can't blob 2:1 with (LOGOFFSKI) and the various other horrible things RA & Goons have done.
S******dly / Pandemic Legion endorse login-traps, logoffski, ISK farming and other lame tactics. Good to know. ===== |
Ramlir
0.0 Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:15:00 -
[140]
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor
Originally by: Yussef
Originally by: marakor they are all cheats.
Well that's a bit harsh. They aren't all cheats.
Nice to see youre idea of the quoted truth (goon style edited) is still as real as ever, and nice of you to post it here for ppl to so easily see.
thanx
I hadn't considered that angle. Do you think everyone will hate me now?
I doubt it pity is proly the best a clown like you can ever hope for.
Full quote for referance btw;
I remember a player who got a couple of free t2 bpo's that could barley make a dude self sufficient some time ago and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
Stick it to those goons, m8.
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Yussef
Amarr Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:15:00 -
[141]
Originally by: marakor
I doubt it pity is proly the best a clown like you can ever hope for.
Full quote for referance btw;
I remember a player who got a couple of free t2 bpo's that could barley make a dude self sufficient some time ago and that he was a member of the bob alliance is that what you are refering to?.
CLOWN?! CLOWN?!?! Wha wha HOW DARE YOU SIR!!! You might as well have just slapped me and burnt my house to the ground. I've never seen such impudence!
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Pattonator
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:22:00 -
[142]
Originally by: arghy steelwill Whoops now what are you going to use against us? Also we dident threaten to attack CCP during JV1V why must you?
I was in LV during the fight for JV1V,(Shopping for another corp btw)and I'm confused by the OP. JV1V was a gift from CCP to the goons in the first place. From what I understand you goonies even nicknamed by Petionator. Sorry for dredging up bitter memories. |
PSA1SWIPE
Caldari Bladerunners
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:42:00 -
[143]
Originally by: Jade Constantine Edited by: Jade Constantine on 22/12/2007 14:27:52
To be quite honest this really isn't a very good drama bomb at all. Its just a bunch of people ranting through a late night complaining routine because they are a little bit annoyed at the server not working properly. I think everyone who has ever been in a corporation in Eve (with more than 2 members) had listened to this kind of thing in the past and its not exactly newsworthy.
What is more interesting is the degree to which it illustrates:
a) The kinda creepy obsessive quality of 24/7 voice comms infiltration aspiration which reminds a little of the East German experience before the wall came down. (I'd recommend the op go down the dvd shop and rent Leben der Anderen, Das It is an excellent exploration of these themes)
b) That there is a fair degree of bottom of the barrel-scraping in the current propaganda ... (I hesitate to use the word offensive in its military sense) and perhaps you guys should try another approach?
c) It is actually quite heartening that by and large the ordinary population of the game has lost patience for this stuff and perhaps in the future it will simply sweep away unremarked on the tidal currents of CAOD to sink to the bottomless oceans of obscurity where such content truly belongs.
As a veteran of many many years of political manipulation and public relations initiatives in this medium I have to let you know that publishing the late night meandering grumps of some bored alliance footsoldiers is hardly going to set the world aflame. Nor is making the somewhat incredible claim that these people have the same level of seniority and influence as high level alliance leadership in the opposing sphere that happily authorizes exactly the kind of thing you'd appear to be condemning here. Its weak my friend. Weaksauce cooked up in a weak cooking pot on national weak day by the Scalding Pass regional weak association for consideration in the annal weakness awards.
D- (wish you wouldn't bother trying harder.)
This recording idd wont make it much worse as the damage was already been done quite some time ago on how people see BoB , well a good amount of em , just a tad hilarious for me this recording , reminds of a certain something during The GNW ;)
Most people in BoB that also complain about teh tactics and shiat being done to them seem to have no clue what so ever teh "old BoB" did ... Hmmz nice to see you posting again Jade and i have to admit its not so heavily pro BoB as u used to write but i guess it comes with age xx ;) _______________________
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Audri Fisher
Caldari VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:43:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Kyrie Elaison
You're missing the essential point. When you see that your opponent is drowning, throw that son of a ***** an anvil.
"When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."
Or in other words monsieur, you will be judged by your conduct in winning every bit as harshly as you might be judged in losing such a fight. Graceless behaviour is graceless behaviour regardless of editorial bias and historical recordkeeping.
Very pertinent quote Jade, give credit to Sir Winston Churchill.
He was the Lord of the Admiralty was he not ( forgot his exact title)
So, I am going to counter with some sayings from the traditions of the British Royal Navy, Marine Corps, and there offspring, the US Navy, and the USMC.
"When in doubt, empty the ******* magazine" What this means, is that you always make sure the tiger is dead, not wounded.
"Pain is for the living" If you are dead, you don't give 2 ****s about what people think about you. Better to give it your all, and die trying, than go down defeated thinking "if only"
"If everyone else is dead, then there is no one to judge your motives" self explanitory really.
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General Windypops
Gallente Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:44:00 -
[145]
Originally by: Althair Erin Other thread got locked so I'm replying here with a few changes to my post. Wouldn't feel right if I just C&Ped.
I think that candid recordings of teamspeak are very interesting. This is my first time experiencing anything like this. It's really cool to hear the figures who we talk to on the forums and fly against or with in space talking about current events amongst themselves. I really empathized with the frustration they were experiencing. Nobody loves lag, for example.
Doesn't it make everyone seem...human? When you hear their actual voice?
It does raise the pointy question about espionage, and that made me think that we should volunteer to share pieces of our teamspeak conversations with the rest of the EVE world.
I don't mean just my corp- but everyone should give up a little candid audio in the interest of getting to know each other better.
After all, someone wise once said you can't take that which is given freely!
You're right, it does make them seem much more human, which is an unfortunate own goal for the Goon propaganda teams. The unintended side effect of recording then posting this tedious downtime moan is that it makes it clear that your previous accusations that ebil BoB had CCP on side, and the devs on tap was nothing but spin.
Posting this makes it quite clear that they're in the same boat as every other alliance in this game, with the same frustrations and the same bad luck.
But I don't expect the Goon who posted it was intelligent enough to realise that.
That aside, I still can't quite believe that I actually took the time to listen to a recording of a downtime.... those 'can't log in for 2 hours' moments are tedious enough first hand, but I just listened to a downtime that wasn't even happening any more
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PSA1SWIPE
Caldari Bladerunners
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Posted - 2007.12.22 20:45:00 -
[146]
Originally by: SunglassesInSpace
Originally by: Securion Wolfheart
Winning? If it was Goons vs BOB you would get raped in the ass. Just like the last time. Now when the whole EVE universe are gangbanging the best alliance in the game, little unskilled ****s like yourself are having a laugh about it. Keep laughing. EVE might never again see such a good alliance as the one you are about to kill off, with the help of the rest of the scum and trash you have pulled together against BOB.
This is it. This is the best post I've ever seen.
This .
To teh bold part , turn back a few pages into history what BoB did at least quite afew of their pilots then come back and say that again with a straight face .
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Pitt Bull
Caldari Naval Reserve
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Posted - 2007.12.22 21:06:00 -
[147]
Originally by: Dirap "tiger is, da wounded tiger is dah tiger before it is wounded"
Exactly! If ya'll woulda just listened to this guy, he had some epic advice for ya.
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Tetsujin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 21:14:00 -
[148]
Originally by: Cassiuss I see more goons on forums than I do in Delve.
tee hee, my mining lasers shut off while I was writing this.
boy howdy i sure look forward to the day when you furry pubbie****gots quit this game
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Dose One
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 21:35:00 -
[149]
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Ander It's funny how the guys on that tape whine about being treated fair by devs/CCP/GM's when the whole war started based on that reason alone....
If that's the reason you entered the war, how do you feel about GoonSwarm, Red Alliance and others "playing to win with any means necessary" macro/sweatshop farmers (23/7 is macro or eula violation don't dance around this) logging off to avoid pvp that they can't blob 2:1 with (LOGOFFSKI) and the various other horrible things RA & Goons have done.
S******dly / Pandemic Legion endorse login-traps, logoffski, ISK farming and other lame tactics. Good to know.
I'm pretty sure your 23/7 gatecamp of L4X would be broken indefinately if someone taught arghy how to use IRC.
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Dose One
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.22 21:36:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Dose One
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Ander It's funny how the guys on that tape whine about being treated fair by devs/CCP/GM's when the whole war started based on that reason alone....
If that's the reason you entered the war, how do you feel about GoonSwarm, Red Alliance and others "playing to win with any means necessary" macro/sweatshop farmers (23/7 is macro or eula violation don't dance around this) logging off to avoid pvp that they can't blob 2:1 with (LOGOFFSKI) and the various other horrible things RA & Goons have done.
S******dly / Pandemic Legion endorse login-traps, logoffski, ISK farming and other lame tactics. Good to know.
I'm pretty sure your 23/7 gatecamp of L4X would be broken indefinately if someone taught arghy how to use IRC.
A FATE WORSE THAN DEATH (seriously aaaaaaaaaaaaa)
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