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Caldari Hakata Group Blade.
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Posted - 2007.12.17 09:04:00 -
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With all the t2 noise dying down, perhaps it's time to examine another favourite topic of this forum, mineral compression.
This has obviously been nerfed in the latest patch, so I'm curious about what the consensus is now on the best modules for mixed and specific mineral compression.
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Kirjava
Lothian Quay Industries Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.17 09:22:00 -
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Mixed - it's still Jump Portal generators, it was an increase in size accross the board afaik so proportinaly nothing should have changed.
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Shinhan
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.17 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kirjava Mixed - it's still Jump Portal generators, it was an increase in size accross the board afaik so proportinaly nothing should have changed.
I think it wasnt increased same rate everywhere. If I remember there was an example of some t1 item being 50m3 small, 10m3 medium and 50m3 large.
Maybe its time to run some queries on the new datadump when I get home.
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.17 09:44:00 -
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My rewritten signature says, "Hi."
N.b. when looking through the data dumps, a half-dozen modules were not only increased in volume, but their mineral compositions were changed, as well (exchanging trit for zyd on a few-thousand-to-one basis, for example).
MP --
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Shinhan
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.17 10:02:00 -
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MP, wanna make it a link and feature a couple of more interesting examples. (of the screwed up variety, not the "Im gonna make a lot of money off this" variety) -- Selling apples, 1 signature each. ѼѼѼѼѼѼѼ |
Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.17 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 17/12/2007 12:18:08 charges weren't changed in size... and they're not affected by the indies-in-carrier stuff either. not that it's that great, but it moved up in ranks a bit.
if purgatory torp blueprints haven't changed - and with 3 iterons in a carrier now - you can still move 140mil trit and 100mil pyer.
if you want to bring megacyte/zydrine on your return trip to empire, try XL lenses :D
also note that carriers can still move large quantities of maintenance bots (= 35mil trit) or sentry drones (= 30mil pyer). not exactly compression either, but an extra bay to abuse nonetheless.
but yeah.. that's only ~2.7mil m¦ of low mins - can't beat the 12 jump portal generator in a rorqual (~5.1mil m¦ all-kinds-of-minerals) - putting the gist back into logistics |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.17 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 17/12/2007 12:18:08 charges weren't changed in size... and they're not affected by the indies-in-carrier stuff either. not that it's that great, but it moved up in ranks a bit.
if purgatory torp blueprints haven't changed - and with 3 iterons in a carrier now - you can still move 140mil trit and 100mil pyer.
if you want to bring megacyte/zydrine on your return trip to empire, try XL lenses :D
also note that carriers can still move large quantities of maintenance bots (= 35mil trit) or sentry drones (= 30mil pyer). not exactly compression either, but an extra bay to abuse nonetheless.
but yeah.. that's only ~2.7mil m¦ of low mins - can't beat the 12 jump portal generator in a rorqual (~5.1mil m¦ all-kinds-of-minerals)
12 JPG in a Rorqual wasn't even beginning to touch what I used to be able to pull off in a single jump.
MP --
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:29:00 -
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make that 13: forgot the corp bay -.- - putting the gist back into logistics |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.18 08:18:00 -
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Originally by: Roemy Schneider make that 13: forgot the corp bay -.-
Think HUNDREDS.
MP --
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Tandori Tanaka
Tanaka Stuff and Supplies
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Posted - 2007.12.18 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Roemy Schneider make that 13: forgot the corp bay -.-
Think HUNDREDS.
MP
Still whining about the carrier nerf ? Adapt or close your business, get a rorqual and compress ore. All other options will get nerfed anyway when people start to exploit them. As soon as CCP Chronotis realizes how much minerals you can transport via an carrier full of ammo loaded industrials this option will get nerfed aswell. Either trough killing the reprocess numbers on ammo or industrials wont be allowed to have anything in thier cargo while inside a ship maintenance bay.
Its time to stop exploiting gamemechanics that arent meant for that and go the way mineral compression / 0.0 logistics are meant to be in EvE !
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.18 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tandori Tanaka
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Roemy Schneider make that 13: forgot the corp bay -.-
Think HUNDREDS.
MP
Still whining about the carrier nerf ? Adapt or close your business, get a rorqual and compress ore. All other options will get nerfed anyway when people start to exploit them. As soon as CCP Chronotis realizes how much minerals you can transport via an carrier full of ammo loaded industrials this option will get nerfed aswell. Either trough killing the reprocess numbers on ammo or industrials wont be allowed to have anything in thier cargo while inside a ship maintenance bay.
Its time to stop exploiting gamemechanics that arent meant for that and go the way mineral compression / 0.0 logistics are meant to be in EvE !
I am getting a Rorqual, you insensitive clod.
I was simply reminiscing about the glory days of mineral compression with some friends and colleagues. So go suck a rock.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.12.18 11:15:00 -
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So I'm confused about one thing.
CCP wanted to nerf mineral compression to make the rorqual more viable (or some such, I dont really care much bout those shiny pieces of rock),, but I got one thing to ask.
A Battleship-size Neutron Cannon (Heavy Neutron Blaster or something) takes up 20m3,, fair nuff. A Remote Sensor Booster which uses a fraction of the minerals takes up 100m3.
I don't get it,,,
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Hehulk
Black Sea Industries Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.18 12:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hehulk on 18/12/2007 12:00:25 Heavy neutron blaster is a cruiser sized gun
EDIT: Also, it's still quite possible to move a crapload of minerals, you've just got to be more inventive about how you do it ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it |
Marcus Tedric
Gallente Tedric Enterprises Space Exploration and Logistic Services
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Posted - 2007.12.18 19:57:00 -
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Perhaps we could one day hope for a re-work of the entire EVE Logic-Physics package....
Then everything could start to make sense - sizes, masses, volumes, mineral composition - and mineral compression wouldn't exist at all!
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.12.18 21:27:00 -
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Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 18/12/2007 21:28:24
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs So I'm confused about one thing.
CCP wanted to nerf mineral compression to make the rorqual more viable (or some such, I dont really care much bout those shiny pieces of rock),, but I got one thing to ask.
A Battleship-size Neutron Cannon (Heavy Neutron Blaster or something) takes up 20m3,, fair nuff. A Remote Sensor Booster which uses a fraction of the minerals takes up 100m3.
I don't get it,,,
Have you ever seen a giant antenna array? It may not weigh as much as a cannon but it's a hell of a lot bigger. Some things simply don't make for compact packages, especially not things meant to transmit and receive a very wide range of signals. That said I'm at a complete loss to justify cruiser class guns being larger than battleship class guns.
MP: for completely shutting down a troll and particularly for using the word clod I deem you the winner of this thread. Congratulations!
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Max Teranous
BURN EDEN Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.19 09:50:00 -
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The best option now is probably building carriers in empire, jumping them and reprocessing them at the other end.
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Kylar Renpurs
Dusk Blade
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Posted - 2007.12.19 10:31:00 -
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Quote:
Have you ever seen a giant antenna array? It may not weigh as much as a cannon but it's a hell of a lot bigger.
Well, considering these things fit on a frigate OR a battleship, with a battleship being many many times larger and such a ship only fitting 8 cannons on, I can't really imagine BS size neutron blasters being *smaller* than the turrets.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Max Teranous The best option now is probably building carriers in empire, jumping them and reprocessing them at the other end.
Intresting...
I havent even looked at the math of this idea, but would not be able to get even more moved if you did this with Roquals, and brought them down with compressed veld and scord? Just a random crazy thought that occured to me. --
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Virtuozzo
IRON Tech Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:08:00 -
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rorqual with compressed veldspar stuff, 325M trit.
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Virtuozzo
IRON Tech Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:10:00 -
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But the best either way is using Titans to jump portal freighters around, unlike jump bridges it requires very little fuel per activation and gives freedom to move around.
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Virtuozzo But the best either way is using Titans to jump portal freighters around, unlike jump bridges it requires very little fuel per activation and gives freedom to move around.
Yes this still is the best way of doing things, overall. I think the spirit of the OP though is looking at the problem from the view point of the small to medium sized organizations. For some silly reason CCP hasnt seen fit to let us all have titans :P --
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Roemy Schneider
BINFORD Solidus Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.19 11:41:00 -
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oh c'mon... don't put too much role-play weight into the volumes...otherwise you'll have to ask yourself, how 10x 1m¦ implants fit into your body - or head, for that matter. - putting the gist back into logistics |
Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles Zzz
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Posted - 2007.12.19 13:26:00 -
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Lots of packaging when they're being sold on the market, perhaps? My research services Spreadsheets: Top speed calculation - Halo Implant stats |
Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.19 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Max Teranous The best option now is probably building carriers in empire, jumping them and reprocessing them at the other end.
Intresting...
I havent even looked at the math of this idea, but would not be able to get even more moved if you did this with Roquals, and brought them down with compressed veld and scord? Just a random crazy thought that occured to me.
Built a mothership this way, actually. The carriers even reprocess into the capital components, which saves a lot of trouble sourcing the manufacturing slots you'd otherwise need if you just had raw minerals.
Total cost was a little under 19b, so there's definitely overhead, but it's a hell of a lot easier than finding someone willing to let you borrow their Titan for a day, let alone finding a dozen freighter pilots so you can do it in one trip.
MP --
Proud steward of 47 billion isk in public money, and counting. Ask me about mineral compressionexpansion! WTF? |
Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.12.19 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Max Teranous The best option now is probably building carriers in empire, jumping them and reprocessing them at the other end.
Intresting...
I havent even looked at the math of this idea, but would not be able to get even more moved if you did this with Roquals, and brought them down with compressed veld and scord? Just a random crazy thought that occured to me.
Built a mothership this way, actually. The carriers even reprocess into the capital components, which saves a lot of trouble sourcing the manufacturing slots you'd otherwise need if you just had raw minerals.
Total cost was a little under 19b, so there's definitely overhead, but it's a hell of a lot easier than finding someone willing to let you borrow their Titan for a day, let alone finding a dozen freighter pilots so you can do it in one trip.
MP
Of course this isn't even remotely plausible for most people as cost of owning the cap component bpo's and carrier bpo's required to build all this makes this a very poor investment generally. 10's of billions in BPO's in order to haul 15-17 billion worth of minerals? Interesting path to take...
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Motivated Prophet
Zerodot Schools Power Corrupts Industry's
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Posted - 2007.12.19 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Motivated Prophet
Originally by: Treelox
Originally by: Max Teranous The best option now is probably building carriers in empire, jumping them and reprocessing them at the other end.
Intresting...
I havent even looked at the math of this idea, but would not be able to get even more moved if you did this with Roquals, and brought them down with compressed veld and scord? Just a random crazy thought that occured to me.
Built a mothership this way, actually. The carriers even reprocess into the capital components, which saves a lot of trouble sourcing the manufacturing slots you'd otherwise need if you just had raw minerals.
Total cost was a little under 19b, so there's definitely overhead, but it's a hell of a lot easier than finding someone willing to let you borrow their Titan for a day, let alone finding a dozen freighter pilots so you can do it in one trip.
MP
Of course this isn't even remotely plausible for most people as cost of owning the cap component bpo's and carrier bpo's required to build all this makes this a very poor investment generally. 10's of billions in BPO's in order to haul 15-17 billion worth of minerals? Interesting path to take...
Agreed. This was one of those "So, what do we have sitting around?" sorts of deals.
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Silver Night
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2007.12.20 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Silver Night on 20/12/2007 13:13:43 I may have missed something, but what about bombs? As charges they should be allowed, and it looks like they have a lot of minerals for their volume. I just did quick maths on it, so I could have missed a decimal place or something. --------------
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