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Kentt Em'asep
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Posted - 2011.11.28 00:13:00 -
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Might have been bait for a trap. Could have been the reason you did not get any response back and that he fired upon you when you took the bait. That would be my reasoning. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.11.28 16:23:00 -
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I have a big issue to deal with regarding water supply and consumption in our Centers. The Elders have convened to ask a big question. How should we determine a reasonable per/person water consumption level per day. Each unit of water contains 380 liters. How many liters does the "average person" use each day. Basic research will show that some people in the Federation for example, waste huge amounts of water. We will not be using them as our standard. The other sovereignties vary vastly in water usage. How do we determine a reasonable amount? It is a harder question than meets the eye.
Would the readers of this fine forum be willing to help us determine how much water per person our M-centers need each day?
Drinking is not the big issue. Hygiene is the bigger issue. If Ston can establish another water production plant, that will help things a lot. Perhaps Ta Pang could also train up to build a plant as well. |
Ta Pang
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:23:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:I have a big issue to deal with regarding water supply and consumption in our Centers. The Elders have convened to ask a big question. How should we determine a reasonable per/person water consumption level per day. Each unit of water contains 380 liters. How many liters does the "average person" use each day. Basic research will show that some people in the Federation for example, waste huge amounts of water. We will not be using them as our standard. The other sovereignties vary vastly in water usage. How do we determine a reasonable amount? It is a harder question than meets the eye.
Would the readers of this fine forum be willing to help us determine how much water per person our M-centers need each day?
Drinking is not the big issue. Hygiene is the bigger issue. If Ston can establish another water production plant, that will help things a lot. Perhaps Ta Pang could also train up to build a plant as well.
I have read that depending on the climate, the average human consumes between 2-6 litres of water per day.....so long as we are not setting up in a desert, we should be on the lower end of the scale.
I have setup a small water production facility to supply the Center #4. I am not sure how much we will be producing once it is up and running, but any surplus will be deposited into the appropriate container. |
Edaine Numenor
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.11.29 01:33:00 -
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Disciples, all in good time, all in good time. I am pleased to report that soon we will be producing livestock, and fertilizer. We already have a supply of soil and seed. We can begin self-sustaining food production. Our planetary colony is a garden spot and should supply all the needs for a growing community. I have also stepped up water production. We will have enough and more to spare. We also need to look into long term production needs in other areas necessary to sustain the communities. Keep thinking, in other words.
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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.11.30 01:42:00 -
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FOR WHOM DO YOU SPEAK?
I have reflected upon recent interactions and have come to the conclusions that many of us are less independent than we would like to think. No one wants to be purely the mouthpiece of another even when faithfully representing the interests of another, our own individuality is important, to most anyway. However, lately I have wondered if many pilots are merely mouthpieces of others. I wonder if you may have thought the same.
It seems like there is a bit of deja vu in the so called "new voices" coming out of the academies. Have contemporary teacher forgotten to teach capsuleers how to represent themselves in a unique, individualistic way? It seems so. One could almost make a game of guessing who specifically is being represented in some of the voices heard these days.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Edaine Numenor
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.11.30 19:25:00 -
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I have found a Khumaak. This would be the second such item that has come into the possession of the Disciples of Ston in recent weeks. I am storing it in Caldari territiory unto Manwe can come get it with a covert vessel. This one will go on display in one of the other Centers.
The symbolism of the Khumaak is fascinating in that it represents terrible pain and destruction for the Minmatar and yet is a rallying symbol. The Amarr fear it to the extent that it is contraband in their systems. We will keep our eye out for more such items in future days. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:52:00 -
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The residents of our Matriculation Centers have requested that we open a Minmatar Cultural Center at one of our locations. With the acquisition of a second Khumaak, the former slaves who now live in Amarr space under the protection of our centers have determined that it would be a valuable addition to have cultural education at the Centers including a hands on cultural museum. At this point, we have only two items for display, but we anticipate over time adding several more. The residents desire to have objects from many different cultures be a part of the cultural center. Right now, we think it will open at Center #3 for the simple reason that it is easiest to get illegal items such as the Khumaak there. |
Edaine Numenor
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:28:00 -
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Just picked up two more Khumaaks. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.02 01:45:00 -
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The Disciples of Ston need help in the form of suggestions and recommendations. The residents of our Matriculation Centers wish to establish a Minmatar cultural center with our help. The problem is that among the Disciples, I am the only Minmatar. I myself am a former slave and even among the tribes, a bit more irenic than others. We would appreciate suggestions from those more steeped in tribal culture as to what would make a cultural center meaningful and educational for the residents and their children. Thanks, in advance. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.02 01:45:00 -
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edit: duplicate post |
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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.03 18:38:00 -
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YOU ARE THE LEAST VALUABLE, SO DIE!
That was the sentiment expressed by the pilot who dumped a group of scientist into a death can and jettisoned them to die. When the pilot was contacted after the scientist were rescued, he said that he didn't have room in his corgo bay and that the scientist were the least valuable of his cargoes, so he dumped them. Hmm?
How do you reflect on such a brazen disregard for life?
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Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.04 00:14:00 -
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From time to time, I am able to take some time to do further research into anti-singularity fields and their pecular impact of observable phenomena. We have run into an interesting observation and are in the process of studying possible explanations. When inside a persistent residual anti-singularity field within a planet core, one finds an interesting nullification effect on observable matter. The matter of the planet core is not visible.
Here's the interesting part. When activating a warp drive, a warp tunnel immediately appears instead of when it typically does after the field has built up a critical threshold. This same effect does not occur when in stellar cores. We are not yet ready to put forth a theory, but do invite other scientist be they novice or professional to lend us their musings on the subject. You may also wish to try it on your own. It is very interesting. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.12.04 01:19:00 -
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Ston Momaki wrote:YOU ARE THE LEAST VALUABLE, SO DIE!
That was the sentiment expressed by the pilot who dumped a group of scientist into a death can and jettisoned them to die. When the pilot was contacted after the scientist were rescued, he said that he didn't have room in his corgo bay and that the scientist were the least valuable of his cargoes, so he dumped them. Hmm?
How do you reflect on such a brazen disregard for life?
You didn't specify the kind of life.
You have to learn and accept that there are tiers of value, when it comes to life. It's grim but it's true.
Tell me, Ston - when piloting a Minmatar ship, do you take special care to step around the cleaning Fedos? Or do you, like most Minmatar vessel operators, occasionally step in one, squishing it flat and making the whole room stink of methane?
When you do, do you regret the loss of that Fedo's life as deeply as you reacted to this scientist's maltreatment?
I don't think you do.
I don't think you shed tears for the millions of bacteria ground to death under your every footfall, even though such micro-genocide is inevitable for ambulatory species.
Well, here's the thing. Humans aren't in short supply in New Eden. Trillions of the little buggers running about. They're cheap. The capsuleer community is admittedly derived from these basic forms, but we are gods compared to them, and they are an infinity of ants to us. Or to use a less pithy analogy, we're the ones who matter, and they're the Fedo you accidentally stepped on.
They die; you don't. They're expendable; you aren't. They're cheap, and if they're taking up cargo room that could be used to store a valuable module... well, I hope their earning potential exceeds the value of said module, or they're going to take a tumbling trip in a cargo can.
There's always more where they came from. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:07:00 -
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that's a rather callus way to put it.
But, in this case the tiers of life isn't the point. Its just as easy, if not easier, just to simply put the scientist's into a station. Sacking them is common practice, murder is not. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:16:00 -
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Callous, yes. Realistic... also, yes.
Tell me, Thgil... when your lasers shatter a terrorist Minmatar ship... do you weep for those who fell?
Mmmm... I already know the answer. |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:26:00 -
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Never argued that it wasn't realistic, just that it was Callous.
Although there is a difference between soldiers at war and murder of non-combatants. destroying enemies of the Empire who went to war willingly is a whole heap different than out and out murder. Being 'realistic' doesn't give you the right to kill just because you can. |
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.12.04 02:49:00 -
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Thgil Goldcore wrote:Never argued that it wasn't realistic, just that it was Callous.
Although there is a difference between soldiers at war and murder of non-combatants. destroying enemies of the Empire who went to war willingly is a whole heap different than out and out murder. Being 'realistic' doesn't give you the right to kill just because you can.
Doesn't it?
Let me give you a sliver of insight into crew-hiring procedures at space stations capsuleers frequent. A capsuleer puts out an automated order every time he docks. This order replaces crew lost to attrition and warfare, but it doesn't specify the cause said crew will be fighting for. No, the crew serve merely as extensions of the capsuleer's will, whether it be freedom-fighting for the Minmatar, or slave-harvesting for the Amarr. Each crew member's job is merely to operate the console he is assigned - theirs is not the lot of deciding whether to fight slavery or abet it.
You, my dear Thgil, have committed just as many murders as the rest of us. Murder is inescapable as a capsuleer, regardless of how you spin it. You, my dear, have murdered - as far as the victims of said murders are concerned.
So let's stop pretending any of this matters. Even with the 90% likelihood of total crew death within 10 minutes of undocking, we capsuleers have no problem recruiting a crew hungry for adventure, and willing to gamble their lives. Whether it's to fight the Amarr empire or assist it, they seriously don't matter in the end.
If you wish to prove me wrong, please point me to the well-maintained cemetary where all the dead you've claimed are enshrined with honour.
Don't have one?
Then I guess you're just as callous as I am... |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.04 09:04:00 -
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So, you feel that jetcanning someone to a slow painful death for no reason is just because we are big and they are small?
I pray I never loose my humanity to think that, or the lack of skill to assure crew death within moments of undocking.
I am aware there are plenty who do just that without second thought, but you're projecting an awful lot of your own practices onto myself, which is rather silly. I do not hide the fact that I kill, as a soldier its impossible to avoid that. But just because I kill does not mean that I don't protect life when possible. Being a capsuleer does not mean I don't stand for ideals larger than myself.
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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.04 14:14:00 -
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DOES IT MATTER HOW YOU ARE IDENTIFIED?
Recently I was identified as a Minmatar. At first, I felt a bit of pride about such an identification. I thinking, of course, of many Minmatar that I know and respect. Some have worked with us in our rescue ops and others have given thoughtful comment from time to time. But then, I was stopped short by the fact that some Minmatar have made their way on the wall of shame. Then I remembered that some Achura have also made their way on the wall of shame. (Side note: I am Achura.)
Perhaps it is not how we are identified that matters, but how we shape our tribe's image, our nation's image, our sex's image, our religion's image, etc, by the way we conduct our lives, the values we espouse, and the integrity in which we carry out those values. The person who mistook me for a Matari is a Deteis. We do not share common values, but that doesn't mean that all Deteis are like this man.
I suppose it does matter how you are identified if the identification is accurate and true. In the capsuleer community, most name calling is inaccurate but perhaps some is on the mark. So are you a good Matari or an evil Matari? Are you a Deteis of value or a Deteis without moral conscience? Well, the list goes on if you get the gist.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace.
P.S. The ships we pilot are too small for clone vat facilities. We as pilots are confined to our capsules while we pilot. I have personally never stepped on a Fedo. You will have to ask Manwe about that one. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.04 22:10:00 -
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We have received an interesting request from the staff and administration of our vocational center. Here is the background. The Disciples of Ston have a program called the "clone body return service." This service involves the recovery of capsuleer bodies followed by contact being made with the owner in an atempt to return the body. We also provide solemn cremation services for the same. The majority of the time, pilots do not respond at all, meaning that we end up cold storing bodies, 179 at present. The request is that some of the bodies may be used by the vocational center to train cadaver dogs. We have an opportunity to expand the service dog training program to include this are of service.
What we need is wisdom and discretion in dealing with this request. Some capsuleers have already told us to do whatever we wish with their old bodies, but most have been silent. Right now, we have 179 bodies that could be used. Part of cadaver dog training involves some bodies entering into advanced decomposition. Cadaver dogs are used by law enforcement to recover evidents as well as for search and recovery. While we believe this to a purposeful and dignified use of a body to promote good, others may disagree for a number of reasons.
In future recoveries, we will ask the question about using a body to dog training. ntil then, the question remains... Should we begin using the 179 bodies now in cold storage for the cadaver dog program? |
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Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.05 03:24:00 -
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BACK IN JITA. WHY?
Manwe, Since I was near Jita when I read your post above, I decided to search for clone bodies and rewrite the notification letter. Two out of the first three responses went to the cadaver program. Thank you to those two pilots. At first, I thought, "how undignified" but then it occurred to me, what could be more dignified than using death as a way to help others. Mere humans will donate organs to save lives. Those who release their discarded bodies to help train these cadaver dogs will also save lives, solve crimes, help families recover their dead, etc.
Jita isn't my favorite place to be, but for a while I will work here to help get the cadaver program going. Two bodies is a beginning but the center will need more.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.05 18:30:00 -
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DO ALL LAWYERS HAVE BOWEL OBSTRUCTIONS?
You may or may not know and likewise care that the Disciples of Ston have a service called the "Clone body return service." We seek to provide a dignified final repose for the bodies of capsuleers lost in combat and found by our Disciples. We recently added an option for pilots to donate their former bodies to our cadaver dog training program. Along with this option is also listed our offer to return the body free of charge or provide a solemn cremation service. All these are clearly spelled out in a communication issued to pilots registered as the former owner of the body. Most recently we have added the stipulation of responding within a week before the body is given to the cadaver program. Well...
I contacted a pilot recently and received a response from another pilot claiming to be his lawyer. It was full of threats and accusations and demands to return the body with no further charges. Huh? Isn't that what we offered to do? Do all lawyers feel that they must threaten first before trying normal conversation? Take a laxative and few days off.
I have a strange feeling that this particular capsuleer corpse will become a part of our fledgling cadaver dog training program, but I could be wrong.
The Disciples of Ston bid you regularity. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.06 19:11:00 -
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WHAT IS "HOME" FOR YOU, CAPSULEER?
While working in Jita and before heading back to rescue ops, I went on a "pilgrimage" of sorts back to Piekura where Edaine and I first met and where the Disciples of Ston began. There was no one there I knew; no names were familiar.
Capsuleers do not tend to have "homes" in the traditional sense of the term. We can, hoowever, have a sort of stable home in the values we espouse. That perhaps is what we come back to when seeking home.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.07 00:10:00 -
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As you well know Ston, not all of us abandon our homes upon taking to the stars. Having seen my estate for yourself I know you're aware some of us keep to our roots and never forget them.
If I ever need a reminder why I fight for my Empire and where the good in it all lies, a simple visit is all it takes.
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Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.07 18:53:00 -
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The Disciples of Ston had to make an agonizing purchase today; a supply of Vitoc for a group of rescued former slaves. One in the group was ill and needed the antidote immediately. Thankfully the nearest supply available for sale was only three gates distant.
This is ironic considering our recent interaction with Ms. Taam. For now, the purchase of Vitoc is a necessary evil to save lives. Thankfully, it is a rare occurrence. There is a systemic evil behind this sad state of affairs. A great pity that this systemic evil is perpetrated in the name of God, even a God of mercy and grace. How the Deity must grieve. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.08 17:05:00 -
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LESS REFLECTIVE?
Has the Matriculation work of DSTON and the business of ot made me a less reflective person? Hmm, let me reflect on that a moment. Yes and no. Yes, I have become a bit less reflective in that I write less often and in less quantity than I used to. I have less time. No, I have become more reflective, but less certain of my reflections. I think about a lot of things and about a lot of people, but I draw conclusions slower. I also an less likely to respond to the opinions of others, especially if I think it will hurt a feeling or cause a fight. Peace must come also through verbal restraint.
The word "reflection" creates a word picture that begns with silence; the silence of one's own unspoken thoughts. "Verbal Reflection" is the addition of words spoken and written to those thoughts. Perhaps being more reflective means speaking and writing less and thinking more. A challenge, no doubt.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.09 01:18:00 -
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I have noted that the other Disciples are active in rescue ops. This is good. My tribal Elders have requested that I do stellar core research for then in Endulf while I am there. So, that is what I am presently doing. I am mapping the stellar core of the Endulf star. It is relaxing work, truth be told. There is no pressure in such work especially in a high security system where no one is actively scanning you down to destroy you. The view is also spectacular. I also hope to do some observational data recording on the effect of residual warp fields in low density matter such as planetary cores. That is next on the agenda here. It is good to do this work for my own people as it has been some time since I devoted much time to their concerns. |
Ston Momaki
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.11 00:35:00 -
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WHERE I GO TO LEARN ABOUT KILLING
I do not go to the capsuleer to learn about killing. The capsuleer kills but does not teach the meaning and purpose of killing. I go to a mortal and a friend of mine who kills. No, he does not kill people, although he would to defend his family, of that I am sure. He kills animals to provide meat for his family. The planet where he hunts recently had a conservation crisis when a species of game animal became overpopulated. The government urged the populace to hunt young females of the species to thin the herd and to cull breeding females.
My friend tells me that it is important at such times to do what the government urged. He says that the health of the herd and their resistance to disease is at stake. Killing young females is much easier, he says, than hunting the mature adults of either sex. When one kills an animal that is not yet savvy to the wiles of the predator, one feels both a pity and appreciation. Appreciation: The meat of the young is better meat. The young are not alert to danger and are easy to hunt, so pity. One cannot remove oneself from the self-awareness of taking a life. The purpose of it is clear, yet it is a life taken to preserve other lives. O Yes, I have heard many capsuleers claim this as their reason for killing, but I doubt it in most cases.
"Thank the Creator for the bounty of meat provided this day," my friend says. "Thank you, Daddy," his children say. There is something about spending time with this man and his family that spurs me on in non-violence. I know inside why, but it is very hard to put into words.
The Disciples of Ston bid you peace |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:38:00 -
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Disclaimer: I am venting
I am very angry at my government. Written words cannot describe the heat of my anger at an institution of hypocrisy such as I have experienced today from the Republic Government Bureaucrats in Pator. I am not allowed to use profanity as a Disciples of Ston, but how tempted I am at this moment to find a few choice words for those copulating anal orifices running customs in their posh offices in Pator.
(Check the story here)
Here is irony; as a result of the encounter literally between Avesber and Abudban, I now have higher standing with the Amarr and the Khanid than I do with my own government. I just spent several days serving my tribal Elders in Eldulf doing stellar core research. Tomorrow, I will be clone jumping back there to give them a piece of my mind. What kind of anally retentive idiocy could keep our officials so GÇ£off the ballGÇ¥ on the issue of allowing humanitarian groups to transport our people to freedom. Stupid idiots!
How sad that I and my 342 passengers find ourselves breathing a sigh of relief as we leave Republic space and enter Empire space where we can finally de-cloak and travel without anxiety. How in the world are these newly freed people going to learn to trust their government when their government tries to vaporize those who actually are actively helping to free them? Stupid idiots!
Solution: provide a legal designation for humanitarian Capsuleers that allows transportation of former slaves across borders but absolutely disallows sales or transfers of the same. Add to that a legal mechanism to change the status of these individuals from slaves to citizens. Part of that status would be that a mechanism that allows the pilot to GÇ£releaseGÇ¥ these individuals, not GÇ£trashGÇ¥ them or GÇ£sellGÇ¥ them. This needs to happen, but the powers that be are too busy sniffing each otherGÇÖs hind ends to pay attention to reality. Stupid Idiots!
While I am at it, the Federation and State are guilty of the same, but I hold the Republic to the greatest guilt in the matter. Of all institutions, they should be enabling the Humanitarian Capsuleer to assist in freedom, not penalizing him for trying. I am convinced that our bureaucrats have the intelligence of a pubic crab. Stupid Idiots!
I could go on, but I should stop before I embarrass myself. Venting is supposed to relieve anger, but mine seems to be getting hotter by the second.
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Thgil Goldcore
PIE Inc.
163
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Posted - 2011.12.12 16:47:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:humanitarian Capsuleers
A rare find sadly.
It takes alot of power to become a capsuleer, usually power corrupts eve the most honest of men. |
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