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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:04:00 -
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Ok, so i download this new sisi patch, i'm in my nightmare, i try to undock, and i'm alerted i have 4 too many launchers fitted, ok i think to myself "maybe something screwed up" and then i see the following
Since this terror was first seen haunting the spacelanes a year and a half ago, it has been the subject of persistent rumors to the effect that its design bears the indelible stamp of long-dead Sansha's own madness. Who else, the conspiracy theorists argue, could come up with such marvelously twisted designs?
Special Ability: 100% bonus to Large Energy Turret damage
Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus: 7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret tracking per level Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus: 5% bonus to Large Energy Turret damage per level
Where's my missiles?!?!? also if thats not bad enough, according to the "fittings" bit, it now has 5 lows, 7 meds and 6 highs....what the hell?
Please for the love of god tell me someone is playing some sick joke, because if not, you just ruined one very awesome ship, no matter what anyone says about it..
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Aeaus
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:06:00 -
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The Nightmare is now the best Faction BS, 7 slot shield tank, 8 Turret DPS, fap fap :)
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mantium
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:07:00 -
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4x drac tach beam lasers, Shieldtank, 4 t2 heatsinks
How the hell can you complain?
Thats like a perfect baby!
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:13:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 29/11/2007 05:16:39 I can complain because i have it rigged, i had spent months of work getting this beast for an optimum armor tank, i spent almost a year on skills, i bought it primarily because of its split weapon system domination in PvE, i litterally spent all my time in this ship when i played, and now, this? its a complete swap around in role, its gone from armor tanking to shields and removed the missiles, which was the side i specced in due to the Khanid changes... Since when have sansha shield tanked ffs?
Also, i spent so long working out how to fit it i maxed PG and CPU to fit it snug as a bug in a rug, i used Quickfit for days on end tweaking this and that, its just an unbelievably drastic change, with no reason to enforce it that i can think of, it completely SCREWS people who have one already, and now its useless to them if they dont have shield tanking skills nearly perfect, i have a personal hate for shield tankers due to the micro management with shield boosters... its went from my perfect ship, to my most dreaded layout...
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Aeaus
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:14:00 -
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They were originally shield tankers, CCP changed the role a long time ago. The "good" news is that the prices are so high that you could sell it right now and get 2, or even 3 Navy Apocs or Ravens if you so wanted :)
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:19:00 -
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The problem is, navy ravens, or apocs are useless to me, i dont have lasers trained beyond level 3, and shield skills are basically all level 2.
And to think i traded in my mach for this...its just complete bull...
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Daelorn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:26:00 -
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I guess for you the ship name is fitting
Anyways can I have your nightmare?
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Sirial Soulfly
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:29:00 -
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On the plus side nightmare is worth a lot more so you can sell it with a profit.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.11.29 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Blane Xero on 29/11/2007 05:42:26 I'm sorry, but when you think of the time i spent working on my corrent TQ settup, the money i invested, the skills i trained SPECIFICALLY for my TQ settup, you can imagine why i'm outraged at this.
People who complain about split weapon systems need to learn how to use it to their advantage, i chose the nightmare because when turret disrupted you still have more than 50% of your firepower unhindered, now thats gone.
Ontop of that i spent 6+ months maxing armor tanking skills, i spent god knows how long with different missile skills, both now worthless. i bought mods for Armor tanking. now worthless. all of it. Now to be half as useful as i am on TQ now, the minute Trinity goes live (next week), i'll have to do another god knows how long amount of training, in SHIELDS and LASERS.
i'd rather have split weapons than a shield tanking cap-hogging laser boat... i frequently suffer from connection congestion, meaning short lag spikes every so often, now, with armor tanking, thats not a problem, you can run 2 large reps and not cap-out easily with my TQ settup, but if i shield tank, and get a spike at the wrong moment, bye cap, or bye shields, either is bad news.
I'm sorry, but unlike some ship changes that happen, i dont think anything has been this...serious (with the exception of khanid MK2)
In short its been a great waste of a subscription of the last 9 or so months..thanks for that.
Oh, also not to mention the overpriced loltastic shield mods costs...
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.11.29 06:17:00 -
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Welcome to eve.
Read the devblogs next time? ________ "It's a good day to die!"
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.11.29 06:31:00 -
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Blane Xero...
Make the most of it until Dec 5th ....
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Shar'Tuk TheHated
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Posted - 2007.11.29 06:39:00 -
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Stop *****ing.. its now fixed and doesnt have a ****ty split weapon system. Now its something to fear.
DRINK RUM It fights scurvy & boosts morale!
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.29 06:43:00 -
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shut up. The nightmare is now completely and utterly awesome. If you can't afford to re-rig it, then sell it.
You're pretty horrible.
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Taius Pax
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Posted - 2007.11.29 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Taius Pax on 29/11/2007 07:14:22 I feel your pain... I spent hundreds of millions kitting out my Succubus with True Sansha pulse lasers and Domination Rocket launchers. I'm kind of ****ed all that time i put into rockets and the money dropped on the launchers is basically ****ed away.
As for the devblogs, by the time they posted them it way beyond too late. It's kind of screwed up to fundamentally change a ship like that. Balance I understand, but completely altering the ship? Just make a new ship and stop spawning the BPCs for the old ones. At least let us keep the time and millions (billions?) we invested in fitting out and skilling a faction ship.
I have a Phantasm I didn't even bother with after i heard about the changes. :( |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.11.29 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: F90OEX Blane Xero...
Make the most of it until Dec 5th ....
insure + fly to low sec
can always try the phoon
although armor tanked ravens. or wait for the kanhid bs?
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Khes
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Posted - 2007.11.29 07:56:00 -
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Edited by: Khes on 29/11/2007 07:57:29 OP: You have every right to be upset, it is your porogotive, but how much time you spent training for it or how much time you spent with QuickFit is irrelevant.
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omiNATION
Gallente Vanguard of the Ouroboros Nation
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Posted - 2007.11.29 08:00:00 -
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Huh, of all the things to complain about.
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Zaqar
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Posted - 2007.11.29 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: omiNATION Huh, of all the things to complain about.
A guy totally specialises in a ship, then that ship gets changed so completely that many of his skills are no longer relevant to it... Dunno about you but I'd be a little pee'd off about it...
Specialisation is becoming a risky strategy, given CCP's record of changing things completely and utterly.
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.29 08:51:00 -
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Sell your stuff, retrain for the new one and rejoice, not only do you have a whole bunch of skills for other ships in the game, now when you retrain for the new nightmare it will be 2x better.
Stop crying, take it like a man and look on the positive side of things ---------------------------------
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Dead3y3
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Posted - 2007.11.29 08:51:00 -
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The skills you trained are not worthless. There are other armor tanking ships.
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Zenst
Gallente Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.11.29 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Blane Xero Edited by: Blane Xero on 29/11/2007 05:16:39 I can complain because i have it rigged, i had spent months of work getting this beast for an optimum armor tank, i spent almost a year on skills, i bought it primarily because of its split weapon system domination in PvE, i litterally spent all my time in this ship when i played, and now, this? its a complete swap around in role, its gone from armor tanking to shields and removed the missiles, which was the side i specced in due to the Khanid changes... Since when have sansha shield tanked ffs?
Also, i spent so long working out how to fit it i maxed PG and CPU to fit it snug as a bug in a rug, i used Quickfit for days on end tweaking this and that, its just an unbelievably drastic change, with no reason to enforce it that i can think of, it completely SCREWS people who have one already, and now its useless to them if they dont have shield tanking skills nearly perfect, i have a personal hate for shield tankers due to the micro management with shield boosters... its went from my perfect ship, to my most dreaded layout...
If you have a ship that is being changed and you have rigs fitted - PETITION IT TO GET THE RIGS BACK. This is what I was told with regards to a sentry rig fitted EOS.
Only fair so dont panic.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.11.29 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zenst
If you have a ship that is being changed and you have rigs fitted - PETITION IT TO GET THE RIGS BACK. This is what I was told with regards to a sentry rig fitted EOS.
Only fair so dont panic.
Was going to suggest the same.
While the loss of your ideal ship set up is hard, you are losing "only" the plataform that you have choosen. The skills are usable on other ships, the modules if not applicable on other ships you like to use can be sold, the same for the rigs after they are recovered and the ship can be sold for a good sum (probably more than before).
While not annunced the nightmare change was implemented in Sisi more than a month ago (probably 2 months) and discussed on the test server forum for a while. Most people were very happy of the change.
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Kurogauna
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Posted - 2007.11.29 11:53:00 -
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Edited by: Kurogauna on 29/11/2007 11:54:54 leave that game, seriously, you can train crap things hoping for a boost or train good things fearing for a nerf. And, of course, i prefer to don't speak about loosy design.
In other words, you will always loose your time.
The nerf wheel is just a tool to keep people skilling, and keeping people = money. Its not a matter of balance after all.
To do list : - reprocess all my stuff - selling minerals - giving billions to "ahjshadjd" - terminate my main
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Stitcher
Caldari legion of qui Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:00:00 -
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take my advice- re-fit it. learn the skills to use those tech 2 lasers, get a good shield tank together, fit some good support lowslots, spend as much time tweaking and refining it for its new role as you did for its old....
If you still feel the need to complain once that's been done, fair enough... but I suspect that you might actually start a thread called "CCP, I'm sorry I ever doubted you".
I took one look at the changes to the Nightmare in the patch notes, and now I want one more than ever before. Screw nightmares, it's become my dream combat ship. - The game is not the problem. The problem is that you are not adapting to the game.
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Fotis
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:07:00 -
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Shield tank it, you should buy shield tanking modules like: True Sansha X-Large Shield Booster True Sansha Invulnerability Field
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:12:00 -
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Can i have ur nightmare? CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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Infinitus Maximus
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:14:00 -
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Originally by: Fotis Shield tank it, you should buy shield tanking modules like: True Sansha X-Large Shield Booster True Sansha Invulnerability Field
lol! thanks for the insightful advice!
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Asestorian
Domination. Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:27:00 -
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This has been known about for a while. I suppose it does suck for those who have spent a long time training for one ship, but you wouldn't be the first it's happened to, and you won't be the last. Overall the ships effectiveness has gone up. A lot. Maybe not for you, as you don't have the skills, but that's just the way it goes.
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Protheroe
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:29:00 -
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Quote: Just make a new ship and stop spawning the BPCs for the old ones.
This seems like a fair solution to me, plus those who have trained for the ship would effectively be compensated for not being able to replace it by owning an increasingly rare and therefore more valuable ship. |
Asestorian
Domination. Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.11.29 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Protheroe
Quote: Just make a new ship and stop spawning the BPCs for the old ones.
This seems like a fair solution to me, plus those who have trained for the ship would effectively be compensated for not being able to replace it by owning an increasingly rare and therefore more valuable ship.
Yeah which isn't fair as if I buy one now, I could later sell one for a crazy, crazy price, essentially making a huge load of cash for doing nothing. Woo. Sounds great.
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