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Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.01 06:51:00 -
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So, I have a question about checking market values in other regions - I'd like to be able to see the market orders for a specific region or station, often 10-15 jumps from that location. I don't want to use jump clones, as that would defeat what I am trying to do. Without saying too much, I'd like to be able to see markets away from my usual trade hub, and see what they're lacking. Then bring it to them at a mark-up, etc.
Is there a way to scan other markets, either in or out of game? I tried EVE-Central but it is not set up for that at all (I want general browsing of that market, I don't want to have to search every item individually in EVE-central). Is there something like this? Does anyone have a better idea? I'd prefer to not have to place an alt in the different regions, but I could if I have too. I'm looking for something simpler, however.
Thanks in advance for the help. |
Ruvin
Glorious Revolution The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.02.01 09:20:00 -
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ehm you got 3 characters slots , thats main +2 alts . Make a trial pay for 1 month (you get 1 free so no loss) thats 3 more (for 51 days) .
5 alts . 5 trading hubs + youre main thats 6 , 6 regions . Obvious and simple but that actually works :| |
Callean Drevus
Icosahedron Crafts and Shipping Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2012.02.01 09:27:00 -
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There's not websites like EVE Central too, like EVE Marketeer, but you'll still have to click a lot, even when simply browsing. If you are really serious about this, I'd reccommend using a second account for it, since then you can truly browse in parallel.
That said, you can also use the EMK profitable hauling page, which more or less shows you the information you was about to retrieve (but it's aimed more at items that are already there and selling for a lot more, instead of items that are not sold at all. Developer/Creator of EVE Marketeer
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Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:47:00 -
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I'm not willing to create a second account - I think that second accounts should be banned, in my opinion, but that's a crusade for later and I know it'll never happen :P
I guess what doesn't make sense to me is that in the age of faster-than-light transportation, spaceships, and all that other high-tech crap that capsuleers use every day, how is it that I can't look up market details from other regions from any station I choose? It's not like the regions are separated by any great distances, they're actually pretty arbitrarily defined; this has never made sense to me.
Thanks for the input, I guess there is no 'easy' way to do it. |
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.02.01 18:50:00 -
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Unfortunately, it comes down to a game design imperative. They need some type of incentive for you to leave the station. If you don't want that, you need to make an alt. Making an alt encourages people to buy extra subs, thus more cash flow.
Of course, you could always find a group of people and set yourselves up as a shadowy galaxy-wide trade cartel. |
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.01 20:46:00 -
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OllieNorth - I agree, you do need a reason to leave station. However, I also think that seeing the market data and being able to do anything with it are different - I agree that you should not be able to change orders outside of region, but seeing data would be nice so you don't have to make a trip empty just to check prices.
Oh well, no worries. Just a little extra work for me, I'm ok with that, just hoping I didn't have to. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:04:00 -
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Dimitri Jackal wrote:I guess what doesn't make sense to me is that in the age of faster-than-light transportation, spaceships, and all that other high-tech crap that capsuleers use every day, how is it that I can't look up market details from other regions from any station I choose?
You sir fail to take into account the relevant provisions of the Yulai Convention as enforced by the Secure Commerce Commission.
Specifically I draw your attention to Article 23, as last amended by the Youil conference of 93 YC specifically:
"Youil Conference" wrote:Article 23 - Provisions for the protection of regional economies In order to ensure an adequate protection of the regional economies exposed to interstellar commerce, and furthermore in order to ensure that the signatories of the convention are able to adequately maintain surveillance and monitoring activities within their markets, and furthermore to limit acts of unlawful trade and to ensure that all traders abide with local codes of conduct, taxation and other provisions relevant to trade, the following provisions shall be implemented:
- All information pertaining to the real time state of the market of a given region is considered proprietary information to the region and should in no way be diffused, transmitted, relayed, reproduced or otherwise made available beyond the borders of that region.
- It is the responsibility of the signatories to establish the limits of the regions within their own sphere of influence. For those areas which are outside the sphere of influence of the signatories, it is the responsibility of the SCC to define the trading regions.
- Each of the signatories will communicate to the SCC those items which are considered to be unlawful for trade in the regions under their jurisdiction. SCC will ensure that this information is public and available in a timely manner to all stakeholders involved in interstellar commerce.
- It is the responsibility of the each of the signatories of the treaty to enforce the restriction of trade in unlawful items in the regions within their sphere of influence.
- The SCC is charged with enforcement of the provisions regarding the dissemination of information related to regional markets.
text introduced in the YC 93 amendment to the Yulai convention
- As a derogation to the above clauses on the sharing of information between regions, it is accepted that aggregate historical data may be published and shared between signatories, to be prepared on a quarterly basis. SCC is responsible for the timely access to this information.
This little text has had quite an interesting history. Even though the provisions of article 23 were originally introduced to protect the regional economies of known space, in the last decade or so these provisions have been fiercely defended by trading corporations of capsuleers, which are known to have been making billions of isk taking advantage of their superior knowledge of the markets and their ability to muster vessels capable of moving a significant amount of assets between regions with relative ease. In practice, some economists believe that article 23 is no longer filling its role of supporting regional economies, but rather that it creates artificial differences in markets which are exploited for great profit by those with the assets and abilities to do so. It is telling that the last known attempt to modify article 23 was in fact initiated by a consortium of small planetside corporations centred around Tash-Murkon (in Amarr space) and Raneilles (in Gallente space). However for some reason which was never disclosed the proposed amendment which would have relaxed the restrictions on the inter-regional sharing of information never made it to a vote as the shuttle transporting the delegates from Tash-Murkon to Yulai never reached the convention. |
Dimitri Jackal
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.02.02 01:33:00 -
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Lol, hahahaha.... That's funny, I forget about some of the "lore" put into this game... Thanks for that laugh, Cynaic. Love it. |
Cyniac
Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance
118
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Posted - 2012.02.02 02:59:00 -
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Dimitri Jackal wrote:Lol, hahahaha.... That's funny, I forget about some of the "lore" put into this game... Thanks for that laugh, Cynaic. Love it.
You are welcome. As you can see most things have a perfectly rational explanation. |
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University Ivy League
662
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Posted - 2012.02.02 16:21:00 -
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Inefficient flow of market information leads to niches that can be exploited by smaller organizations. That lets new players gain a toehold into the market, then a foothold, then a firm grip. Without those niches, new players are basically locked out of the market and the large-scale traders would hold monopolies.
If there was perfect information, at all times, about the state of the market, then Jita would pretty much rule the roost and everyone would have to slavishly follow Jita pricing (other then the mark-up for location/convenience).
Regional markets and the fact that goods do not magically move from A to B are some key strengths of EVE. The former opens up "arbitrage trading" as a gameplay choice, along with being able to charge more for "convenience". The latter means that "hauling" is also a viable gameplay choice, plus goods acquire value as they move closer to the market.
(The fact that PvP/PvE ship losses results in destroyed goods & materials is another key strength.) |
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Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:09:00 -
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Ruvin wrote:ehm you got 3 characters slots , thats main +2 alts . Make a trial pay for 1 month (you get 1 free so no loss) thats 3 more (for 51 days) .
5 alts . 5 trading hubs + youre main thats 6 , 6 regions . Obvious and simple but that actually works :|
^^ This. I have done this myself.
You send yourself a buddy invite, there was a deal on for sending 60 day trial buddy invites, not sure if it is still on. Buy one plex off the market, or sub the buddy account for one month. As a reward the account sending the buddy invite gets a few month or a PLEX. So it really costs you nothing. This is how I ended up with my fourth account. there was a special on to get 6 months sub for a new account at huge discount(believe it was 49.95 for 6 months)Plus I used the 60 day buddy invite to start the account. 8 months sub for 49.95 plus my main account got a PLEX $20 value. So I basically got an alt account for 8 months for 29.95, all things considered.
I currently have 4 active accounts with 4 active characters and use all the spare character slots for market alts. thats 8 untrained rookie toons(including this toon I am posting with) in the five major trade hubs and 3 other minor trade hubs. All of them in either an an alt corp or my mains corp. A couple of them I have spent a couple days training some market skills but nothing major. With Zero corp Tax rate I even occasionally use them to make purchases from the corp wallet if I find something really cheap I do not have time to pick up right away.
When the fourth account gets close to the 8 months I will choose whether to keep it active or sell the trained toon on the character bazzar before letting the account expire. Even cyno/hauler alts are worth a decent amount of isk. 8 months focused training can produce a character worth selling. might even use the isk from the sale to buy PLEX to keep the account going and continue to sell of the characters. A cyno alt with 1 months worth of skill points sells for more than a PLEX is worth, giving me a free market alt account and some extra profit.
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Onlyasandwich
NewsRadio
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Posted - 2012.02.02 17:30:00 -
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You could join us in channel Price_Check for regional price quotes. We usually have quite a few people on, so quotes are available in most corners of space. Granted, if you are up to something super secret and sensitive you may not want to advertise your speculative property, but Price_Check is great for everyday trading and double-checking against hub prices. |
Skywalker
MAFIA Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:16:00 -
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Anyone know what system is best located for inter-region jumping with single character to do market price checks ? |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Posted - 2012.02.02 21:45:00 -
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Skywalker wrote:Anyone know what system is best located for inter-region jumping with single character to do market price checks ?
Jita's pretty good. Kind of the point, really. FuzzWork Enterprises http://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/ Blueprint calculator and other 'useful' utilities. |
OmegaMahn
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.03 20:00:00 -
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This is awesome ! "Article 23 - Provisions for the protection of regional economies" Thnx Cyniac |
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