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Ajita al Tchar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.02.04 02:09:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:ROI on an item that costs nothing. is not 4 years it is instant yet again let me spell this out in capitals for the morons.
TECH II BPO ROI IS INSTANT. TECH II BPO WERE GIVEN FOR FREE. THEY WERE NOT BOUGHT THEY WERE FREE! MAKING ANY ROI INSTANT. TECHII BPO WERE GIVEN TO CCP PET PLAYERS IN AN UNFAIR MANNER WHICH HAS MASSIVELY EFFECTED THE GAME DYNAMIC.
Serously what is the point in fighting CCP's pet allinces or corps? CCP will just reinburse their losses anyway making most of null sec SOV a massive waste of time for new players who don't have CCP's blessings or massive game advantages.
Well, good thing that the deafening roar of the CRAPLOAD OF MONEY I made via invention and T2 manufacturing is drowning out the stupid.
You know what else has instant infinite ROI?
a) Mining. You do it mostly AFK, therefore the minerals are essentially free. b) Mission loot. You looted as you were on the field anyway, killing rats. That makes it pretty much free. c) PI. It's AFK income, made from thin air. The materials came from nothing, you paid some in taxes, the rest of it is yipee free! d) Datacores. Enough said!
...owait.
Anyway, for the OP: don't bother selling T2 BPC's, the market for them is pretty terrible (if you can build the item, it basically means that you can invent it, minus an Encryption Methods skill). You need to be able to make copies of BPOs in order to run invention jobs on them, and for that you'll either need access to a POS with labs, or to do some looking around for places with short-ish wait times on public copy lines. Hop regions, check installations, make notes.You also have to be careful to make sure and include invention cost in your total expeditures based on chance and datacore cost. And don't be bothered by the fact that some players have T2 BPOs, by and large they don't make that big of an impact on many, many items. Just be careful, do your math, and keep your numbers up to date. |
Mu-Shi Ai
Ai Capital
103
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Posted - 2012.02.04 09:15:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:T2 bpo's never make as much money as you think they do, especially for the percieved ISK value of the BPO
the ROI must on them must be abysmal
basically, if you dont own a T2 BPO, try to forget they exist
ROI isn't a particularly useful measure here if you factor in that a BPO is an asset that retains value quite well and can be liquidated--often for a profit--when necessary. You don't have to "pay off" a T2 BPO. You can just sell it again, and as long as you didn't pay an idiotic price for it in the first place, you won't lose anything. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
325
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Posted - 2012.02.04 10:34:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:T2 bpo's never make as much money as you think they do, especially for the percieved ISK value of the BPO
the ROI must on them must be abysmal
basically, if you dont own a T2 BPO, try to forget they exist ROI isn't a particularly useful measure here if you factor in that a BPO is an asset that retains value quite well and can be liquidated--often for a profit--when necessary. You don't have to "pay off" a T2 BPO. You can just sell it again, and as long as you didn't pay an idiotic price for it in the first place, you won't lose anything.
Holding T2 BPOs includes a substantial risk. They are valuable exactly as long as they...
- Are no longer obtainable. - Exist in the game. - Have certain differences in manufacturing vs. invention. - Are used to manufacture the "best buildable version" of a module that is widely used by players.
CCP could change any of these things at any time. They could be removed, they could be made obtainable again, they could be superseded by T3 modules or Invention could be tweaked substantially (Invention already offers massive throughput advantages and even a fairly small change in manufacturing variables could cut deeply into T2 BPO value)
..at which point their market value will take a nosedive. This is also in addition to the fact that T2 BPO market isn't exactly liquid - that blue thingy may be, in theory, worth tens or hundreds of billions, yet if you want to sell it anywhere close to the market value, it will take considerable time. Very few just have that much liquid ISK at hand, even if they would be on the market for such an investment.
I'm not saying CCP will do any of these things or even that CCP should do any of these things - just that CCP theoretically could do any of these things so plonking down tens of billions for a T2 BPO carries a substantial risk.
Yes, as long as they are not re-introduced into the game through some means, they will retain some collectability value, yet on the most prized and most valuable T2 BPOs, most of that value is based on the potential ROI over a long period of time. T2 BPOs do not make a lot of ISK (relatively speaking) but they provide a constant stream of "passive" ISK for their holders with fairly little time investment. Yet they do so only at the whim of CCP.
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Etanna
Quamba Munitions
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Posted - 2012.02.05 13:43:00 -
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Tau Cabalander wrote:
Trust me, you don't need T2 BPO to compete or be successful in manufacturing. You just need to be able to do really simple math, common sense, and some effort to understand the ever changing markets.
Tau's comment is the only reason why I'm posting - well said. All I will say is if you manufacture t1 and/or invent t2 look at markets as Tau says, do the calculations and you'll never be out of pocket. For the selling of T2 BPC's, even at -4/-4 I'm making enough profit!!! As for T2 BPO's - they're still here get over it, please! |
Vito Tattaglia
New Paradigm Inc. Mass Consortium Alliance
26
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Posted - 2012.02.05 16:06:00 -
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Why is it that whenever I post a legitimate question the topic ALWAYS erupts into argument. :( |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1370
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Posted - 2012.02.05 20:32:00 -
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Vito Tattaglia wrote:Why is it that whenever I post a legitimate question the topic ALWAYS erupts into argument. :(
Most threads about T2 Manufacture end up this way. Especially when you ask about profit, and imply that you can't make money from invention (your title, not the content of your post). Single-Shard, Player Driven Sandbox.
5 words. That's what makes it special in my eyes. |
Jas Dor
Republic University Minmatar Republic
37
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:13:00 -
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Mu-Shi Ai wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:T2 bpo's never make as much money as you think they do, especially for the percieved ISK value of the BPO
the ROI must on them must be abysmal
basically, if you dont own a T2 BPO, try to forget they exist ROI isn't a particularly useful measure here if you factor in that a BPO is an asset that retains value quite well and can be liquidated--often for a profit--when necessary. You don't have to "pay off" a T2 BPO. You can just sell it again, and as long as you didn't pay an idiotic price for it in the first place, you won't lose anything.
Those BPOs are going for 10 years profits. I'm not even sure there will still be an EvE in 10 years. There's a whole lot of risk there that CCP will do something in the meantime. Hell by that point faction might be common enough to obsolete T2. |
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra Gallente Federation
330
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Posted - 2012.02.06 06:29:00 -
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Calling it now; T2 BPOs are in a valuation bubble based on the theory that the market price of the T2 BPO can only go up. So ROI doesn't matter - the increasing value of the BPO alone provides ample return and any manufacturing profits are just gravy on top of it.
Those end in tears. Always. Just ask any American with a mortgage... |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
199
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Posted - 2012.02.06 08:03:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
[Whinging]
If CCP still won't remove TECH II BPO after giving them to select players, in select corps why would you expect them to do anything else to fix the game. Due to tech II BPO invention is pointless except for a few items where you can compete against the TECH II BPO, it does not exist , can't keep up with demeand or has been destroyed. The majority of items are still a no go area for invention.
[More whinging]
Please continue to keep believing this, and remember to tell all your friends, too!
(My inventor/manufacturer alt's wallet thanks you for your selfless service.)
Think of me as the Jester to your King Lear: Because annoying you is more fun than politicking with you. Because your predictable outrage makes you even more fun to play with. Because forum PvP = best PvP. Come to me, little puppet! |
Jastra
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
0
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Posted - 2012.02.23 20:48:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:ROI on an item that costs nothing. is not 4 years it is instant yet again let me spell this out in capitals for the morons.
TECH II BPO ROI IS INSTANT. TECH II BPO WERE GIVEN FOR FREE. THEY WERE NOT BOUGHT THEY WERE FREE! MAKING ANY ROI INSTANT. TECHII BPO WERE GIVEN TO CCP PET PLAYERS IN AN UNFAIR MANNER WHICH HAS MASSIVELY EFFECTED THE GAME DYNAMIC.
Serously what is the point in fighting CCP's pet allinces or corps? CCP will just reinburse their losses anyway making most of null sec SOV a massive waste of time for new players who don't have CCP's blessings or massive game advantages.
if this is true why did they hate the guy that got the 50mm armor plate bpo??
lottery was lottery, there was some evidence of tampering but I know 2 people who got them who we certainly not pets, so please just stfu and get over it already
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Dersk
90040045
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Posted - 2012.02.24 01:13:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:You truly are a moron with zero understanding about how Tech II BPO came to be. Tech II BPO did not cost anything, they were given FOR FREE! to a select bunch of players by CCP under the guise of a lottery that was revelead to be corrupt. People who entered that lottery had zero chance of reciving said blueprints. CCP handed them out to players that they knew and wanted to see expand in null sec. the legacy of their actions are still felt massively in eve today. Please understand this you braindead ******** and stop misquoting people.
A fun quality that we have in Eve is the ability to copy a statement made on the forums, open up the "notes" tab in the character info screen in-game, and paste that statement. It helps with things like keeping tabs on raving lunatics and reminding me why I've blocked whatever random person I felt needed blocking.
Imagine how wonderful that would be in real life. If I could keep a "notes" tab on that **** that ran me off the road at 11:30 at night, it would be very useful if he showed up one day asking for a car loan.
While I don't usually chit chat about manufacturing, it's a relief to have threads like this to help me identify the people I don't want to talk to in-game about it. |
So Sensational
Ventures
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Posted - 2012.02.24 19:16:00 -
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This Brewlar guy is a great troll. |
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