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Alak D'bor
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Posted - 2007.11.17 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: Alak D''bor on 17/11/2007 06:22:51 This isn't soviet russia, why are we waiting in line around the corner for toilet paper. Raise the prices on the ******* lab queues (remember office rents? Yeah you know you can do it) and be the capitalist pigs you were born to be.
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VJ Maverick
Caldari Maverick Specialized Services
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Posted - 2007.11.17 06:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alak D'bor Edited by: Alak D''bor on 17/11/2007 06:22:51 This isn't soviet russia, why are we waiting in line around the corner for toilet paper.
In Soviet Russia, toilet paper waits for you.
Originally by: Bodhisattvas
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Adunh Slavy
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.17 08:17:00 -
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More labs? /signed -AS
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Empire marketslave
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Posted - 2007.11.17 08:29:00 -
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same about of labs with much higher prices based on demand/ end me / and time to research ? that i wil sign
problem isn't the ammount but the people who want me 1000 on their ammo so that there is 0.12e12 waste
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Endica Enterprises Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2007.11.17 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Empire marketslave same about of labs with much higher prices based on demand/ end me / and time to research ? that i wil sign
Agreed
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.11.17 10:33:00 -
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Put up your own POS with labs? No queues, all yours, 24/7.
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ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles 101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.17 14:01:00 -
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Lab ques? You dont think that real players are actually using those slots do you?
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Doomed Predator
Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.17 14:44:00 -
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Just remove the lab limit and let each player have 5 slots in a station that has a lab?
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Adunh Slavy
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.17 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Doomed Predator Just remove the lab limit and let each player have 5 slots in a station that has a lab?
That would work, or even just one slot would help. Make it a new skill "Public Lab Operation" ... "Not standing in Line" lvl five, something. -AS
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Helen Hunts
Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc
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Posted - 2007.11.17 22:08:00 -
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In well-traveled high-sec, there are some labs booked up about a month in advance...and the hourly rate is over 6,000 ISK/hour. Out in low-sec, I see labs with a 12 day wait (or less) at about 50 ISK/hour (once saw a 26 ISK/hour lab).
Figure it out folks. The labs are available, but not in the trade hubs. WCS and Inertial stabilizers are the order of the day. _______________________________
Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2007.11.17 22:43:00 -
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12 days is not like "available", especilly for someone who wants to do dozens of 5 hour jobs. 6k per hour is still ignorable sum. Those prices should go up in the sky until there is a free slot, and if/when there is, slowly go down for every free slot there. That way prices will be as high as possible with that demand. I guess it may hit something like 500k per hour near hubs.
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Dr Aryandi
Bloodstone Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.17 22:52:00 -
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If you don't want the queue then go to a research service (points at sig) or anchor your own POS...after all the only reason I invested billions in my high sec POS was the exclusive lab slots it gives me.
The mechanism to solve the problem is already there for you, it just needs a little work.
The only thing I will say is that it would be nice to be able to rent the slots out to the public automatically. It would need some mechanism to prevent abuse (i.e. I rent the slots then every few days I repackage my labs and anchor them again) - in a situation like that it would need to refund the fees so I guess the system would need to put the fees in escrow until the job completed and only then pay the lab owner.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.11.18 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Aryandi If you don't want the queue then go to a research service (points at sig) or anchor your own POS...after all the only reason I invested billions in my high sec POS was the exclusive lab slots it gives me.
The mechanism to solve the problem is already there for you, it just needs a little work.
Capitalism at work. You gotta love it.
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Ellaine TashMurkon
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2007.11.18 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Aryandi If you don't want the queue then go to a research service (points at sig) or anchor your own POS...after all the only reason I invested billions in my high sec POS was the exclusive lab slots it gives me.
But maybe it would be better for You to compete with very expensive labs then with long queues? I have to research tons of BPOs for small items. I can creates some alts and each will be having 5 or 6 in queue, so even with waiting 1 month I'll have this done in a few months, for practically no isk. But if labs costed 500k, I'd go to POS research company to have it cheaper :)
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.11.18 09:28:00 -
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In Soviet Russia, Lab jobs queue YOU!
I'll sign on prices increasing as they go longer with unused slots, but NOT on adding more labs. That's what POS labs are for. -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Karanth
Gallente Crazy 88's
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Posted - 2007.11.18 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Jurgen Cartis In Soviet Russia, Lab jobs queue YOU!
I'll sign on prices increasing as they go longer with unused slots, but NOT on adding more labs. That's what POS labs are for.
In Soviet Russia, lab jobs queue YOU!!
Your formatting was kinda weak.
Also, stop whining. Get friends with a POS, ans spare lab slots, your own POS, use a POS research alliance, get to 0.0, or buy researched prints. Or, you could get in line. Multitude of choices.
The better suggestion is to have the optimal ME on a print easily seen, and make the interface request confirmation whenever someone is dumb and wants to research more. THAT would reduce lab lines.
All that's left...
There is only one sig hijack that matters, the orginal and only member of the hijack squad. me. -Eris. ps Black russians are better then beer. Well, there's not many of *us* left! -Rauth
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oniplE
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.11.18 17:24:00 -
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Perhaps it would be a good idea to allow people to use pos labs that belong to a different corp/alliance. It would make research alliances obsolete, but they can still remain in business by renting out their labs to the public.
The only problem i see, is a pos running out of fuel while there is a BPO in research, but im sure if CCP gave it some thought they could come up with a solution. x |
ITTigerClawIK
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 19:58:00 -
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as the amount of players in the server at the smae time increases then you are going to have to increase the amount of slots a bit at least
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Thunderbird Anthares
Crimson Star Empire FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.19 07:10:00 -
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Edited by: Thunderbird Anthares on 19/11/2007 07:10:21 guys,POS fuel today is so cheap even a "private person" can run one from my point of view adding more labs or upping prices woud 1) be pointless and lots of work 2) unnecesarily kick the T2 market in the nuts (price fluctuations) ------------------------------------------------ When you get to the end of your journey,everything that really matters is the journey itself. |
Katana Seiko
Made in Germany
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Posted - 2007.11.19 08:41:00 -
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Well, it's like supply and demand. If the slots are filled for over a month in average the prices per hour are definetely too low. Either that or there are too few slots available... -- The future begins now - in EVE we live it, in real life we create it!
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Jurgen Cartis
Caldari Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
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Posted - 2007.11.19 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: ITTigerClawIK as the amount of players in the server at the smae time increases then you are going to have to increase the amount of slots a bit at least
The number of slots DOES increase. People get annoyed and go set up R&D towers
I love having my own private lab . -------------------- ICE Blueprint Sales FIRST!! -Yipsilanti Pfft. Never such a thing as a "last chance". ;) -Rauth |
Lady Beauvoir
Slutty Witches
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Posted - 2007.11.19 09:41:00 -
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No.
EVE is turning into a virtual world where there is need for different services and jobs. See, you earn isk in some way and spend it to achieve your goals. Want to put up a manufacturing POS in highsec but don't want to grind for it? Hire someone to do it for you. Don't want to haul pos fuel around to your tower? Hire someone to supply it to you. Need some blueprints researched but don't want to put up a POS to research them? Pay someone to do it for you. And so on.
If every pilot could do everything whenever they wanted, the economy of EVE would suffer. Unlike in real life, where you might want mushrooms but won't go to the woods to find them yourself but pay to a merchant instead, in EVE many things can be done passively (such as research). If you could get mushrooms from the forest in RL while, for example, sleeping, you'd do it - of course, you'd save money. In EVE, to achieve the same thing the "free" resources (lab slots, factory slots, asteroids etc) need to be limited so that the same effect is achieved.
It this obvious? Forget that EVE is a game, it's more of a virtual world with it's own economy, structure and rules.
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Sinder Ohm
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.11.19 12:07:00 -
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bad idea
If there are month long queus in empire then you obviously need to build a low sec or high sec pos or pay someone else to set it up.
If you are incapable of doing this then you really dont deserve to resarch, I have lost count of all the high sec 3 man research corps if they can do it cant you? |
Ellaine TashMurkon
CBC Interstellar
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Posted - 2007.11.19 13:11:00 -
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What is "deserve". There are newbies who want to try to make money in production, and there are people who play once a week and people who want to research only 2 ammo BPOs for own use in their whole "industrial career".
They all deserve to research, they should just pay :)
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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.11.19 15:35:00 -
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Edited by: Adunh Slavy on 19/11/2007 15:42:17 I have to agree with Beauvoir, even though I did sign the OP positive. The Eve economy in many ways seems a lot more vertical than it needs to be, especially with 30,000 some odd players connected during peak these days. It can support a lot more horizontal involvement from players. At the same time running a private POS can be a hassle, and so can doing research for others.
oniplE brings up a good point too, that thereÆs basically no provision to share POS resources, POS security granularity is lacking. So, hereÆs a proposal that may make everyone happier. Allow players, when ambulation comes along, to build Publicly rentable Labs at stations providing they have appropriate faction standings, more or less the same rules that govern POS and empire space now. Make the cost and upkeep in ôlab techniciansö and other ôsuppliesö about the same as it is now for a research POS lab, on average. This way the somewhat oligarchic nature of current research POS operators will, not only remain at current levels, but also be able to liquidate assets and more or less maintain their supply lines as things are now; and of course, keep the ISK sink in place.
The drawback to this is that POS operators would have less exposure to hostile forces, but honestly, most research POS operators are an attentive bunch and are pretty good at getting a POS boxed up and out of harms way anyway.
-AS
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.11.19 17:59:00 -
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ccp just needs to make it so you can rent your POS labs out to the public!
The option is there but the game cant support it (shame too)
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Burrito Sabanero
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Posted - 2007.11.20 12:54:00 -
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well, I'm quite new to manufacture and research with my 2nd account and it seems that i can't find free slots for research :( Now my idea : Some corps are more doing research than fighting stuff and your research char can do missions for them and receive LP with it. Why not creating a reward, that you will always have 1 Slot for 1 type. Say, 60.000 LP and you can get 1 line for material research with this corp. The reward can be choosen only once. Or for 120.000 LP you can get an invention slot in this corp. Therefore nobody can cheat around with trial accounts, since LP are not to be transferred and since every type can be choosen once per char, it won't be too much, but gives also player a chance to research or invent without having an own POS...
just my 2 cents
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Securion Wolfheart
Dark-Rising Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sinder Ohm bad idea
If there are month long queus in empire then you obviously need to build a low sec or high sec pos or pay someone else to set it up.
If you are incapable of doing this then you really dont deserve to resarch, I have lost count of all the high sec 3 man research corps if they can do it cant you?
/What this guy says.
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Dr Aryandi
Bloodstone Technologies
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Posted - 2007.11.20 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Ellaine TashMurkon What is "deserve". There are newbies who want to try to make money in production, and there are people who play once a week and people who want to research only 2 ammo BPOs for own use in their whole "industrial career".
They all deserve to research, they should just pay :)
Yup, and there are plenty of people out there offering research services for them to pay - or they can take the lab queues.
Hell if it's a BPO of the sort of value a genuine newbie is asking for then I don't even ask for any Isk up front and they get free ME/PE level advice.
I went through the exact same process, I looked into hiring people and in the end decided to anchor my own POS and it has paid for itself many times over...
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Plekto
Priory Of The Lemon R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.21 00:11:00 -
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An easier solution would be to limit all t1 BPOs to ME 10 or ME 20. Get rid of the chaff.
Oh - t2 would be ME 50.
And increase the run. ie - ME 1=1000, me 2=2000. so ME 50 is 50K per hour. Make it prohibitively expensive to research silly high levels and clog the cue.
As it is, I've seen entire regions with a 30+ *DAY* qait for any lab slots! That's insane.
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