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Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.01.29 05:50:00 -
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Shazzam, thank you for the cogent response.
Seismic Stan wrote: Without access to demographical statistics, it is impossible to know exactly what percentages of players would respond positively to improvements to specific areas of EVE Online
We do know: http://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Diagoras/status/159660258753658882/photo/1
SS: I was perhaps unclear here - I meant that we as players and particularly myself as the author of this discussion, have no access to specific figures to know what percentage of subscribers are in null-sec, or dabble in the high-sec market, or indulge in RP or do Incursions etcetera, as an indicator of what would be the appropriate amount of resource to devote to any given area.
Quote: The current Council of Stellar Management can rightly claim credit for their part in this improved relationship and they have worked hard to represent the wishes of the EVE players with whom they've had contact. Regardless of what critics may say, the CSM system has worked well to bring together an effective team of senior players to liaise with CCP for mutual benefit. Whether this was by accident or design is not important.
With the elections for seventh CSM term approaching, those same individuals - stamina and desire permitting - are among the strongest contenders for the (now reduced number of) positions on the next council. They have an establish team ethic, have presumably fostered good relationships with CCP staff and they have experience. However, if the elections shake up the status quo, so be it. I'm sure some fresh blood would be useful too.
Does this sound like a healthy relationship? [/quote]
SS: It's the system, better to make use of it than ignore it.
Mittani wrote:The luxury of my popularity is that I don't have to bother lying to my voters about who and what I am. You get exactly what you voted for: a manipulative sadist who makes no apologies for who or what he is. And that's the kind of leadership the CSM requires if it's to accomplish anything when dealing with CCP
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I ran for CSM on a platform of explicitly being a manipulative bastard, because it takes someone like me to actually bring CCP around to reason.
And its interesting to see the behaviour of CSM when they claim credit for CCP's work regardless of the origins and yet when its something the community is dispondant with they disassociate all knowledge of their involvement, e.g. WiS [/quote]
SS: You see? The Mittani knows how to make good use of the system ;). In truth, the "I'm a Machievellian bastard" act is just the image he wants to project. I don't really care if he tortures kittens as a hobby, he was part of a CSM that was effective within the constraints of what they are able to do.
CSM5 certainly locked horns with CCP over Incarna/WiS re: expectation management and so on. It was a moot point by the time CSM6 was in place.
Seismic Stan wrote:Concerns about the under-representation of particular communities or play-styles are irrelevant.
No they are not, its only people who simply want to dismiss those concerns that are. [/quote]
SS: You've taken me entirely out of context here, the paragraph it's taken from underlines the fact that the CSM should represent minority and specialist interests irrespective of personal experience. I certainly wasn't advocating the dismissal of those concerns.
Quote:That said, it would be good to see some effective CSM seat challenges from other quarters if the candidates have something to offer. But just a few. The key is for each community to get behind a single representative rather than diluting the votes into ineffectiveness. It may be prudent for some potential runners to instead campaign on behalf of another or even to promote the CSM process in general for a fairer result.
I'm indifferent of this kind of crystal ball gazing and being manipulative as to peoples motivations for candidacy. Not neccesarily the focus that should be afforded to an effective representative. The "key" as you like to use it is to get behind individuals whose manifesto reflects your ideas and that which will benefit the game and not to manipulate elections. Despite that the idea of rallying behind a small number of candidates as opposed to being fractured is one of the solid arguments for deposing certain power blocs.[/quote]
SS: I think we agree here for the most part. My intent was not to be manipulative beyond discouraging the division of smaller voting blocs through too many similar candidates. Writer of Freebooted blog. Co-Creator of Tech4 News podcast. Former Co-host of Voices From the Void podcast. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.01.29 06:20:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Quote:Sesimic Stan wrote:Concerns about the under-representation of particular communities or play-styles are irrelevant. No they are not, its only people who simply want to dismiss those concerns that are. SS: You've taken me entirely out of context here, the paragraph it's taken from underlines the fact that the CSM should represent minority and specialist interests irrespective of personal experience. I certainly wasn't advocating the dismissal of those concerns.
Then this should interest you and others then:
Mittani wrote:Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not. |
Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.01.29 06:41:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Then this should interest you and others then: Mittani wrote:Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not.
That's just standard Mittens pigtail pulling guff. I see your quote and raise you this one:
P+¬tur J+¦hannes +¦skarsson wrote:The Council of Stellar Management By P+¬tur J+¦hannes +¦skarsson Prepared on behalf of CCP hf ImplementatIon of Deliberative, Democratically Elected, Council in EVEThe key difference between a deliberative democracy and representative democracies is that Representatives do not rule on behalf of constituents. Instead, they act with the consensus of the entire constituency as they present collective interests to the legislator. Every citizen owes the others justification for the laws imposed upon society; in this way, the theory is GÇ£deliberativeGÇ¥ because of the social cooperation required to bring issues to GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ conclusions before a governing assembly. ( The Council of Stellar Management: Implementation of Deliberative, Democratically Elected, Council in EVE, page 13) Writer of Freebooted blog. Co-Creator of Tech4 News podcast. Former Co-host of Voices From the Void podcast. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.01.29 06:59:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Then this should interest you and others then: Mittani wrote:Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not. That's just standard Mittens pigtail pulling guff. I see your quote and raise you this one: P+¬tur J+¦hannes +¦skarsson wrote:The Council of Stellar Management By P+¬tur J+¦hannes +¦skarsson Prepared on behalf of CCP hf ImplementatIon of Deliberative, Democratically Elected, Council in EVEThe key difference between a deliberative democracy and representative democracies is that Representatives do not rule on behalf of constituents. Instead, they act with the consensus of the entire constituency as they present collective interests to the legislator. Every citizen owes the others justification for the laws imposed upon society; in this way, the theory is GÇ£deliberativeGÇ¥ because of the social cooperation required to bring issues to GÇ£lawfulGÇ¥ conclusions before a governing assembly. ( The Council of Stellar Management: Implementation of Deliberative, Democratically Elected, Council in EVE, page 13)
and as per your previous post:
Seismic Stan wrote:SS: You've taken me entirely out of context here, the paragraph it's taken from underlines the fact that the CSM should represent minority and specialist interests irrespective of personal experience. I certainly wasn't advocating the dismissal of those concerns.
I don't understand the point, or are you compounding on my point as you are aggreeing with your conclusion, that a CSM council member should represent all interests with equal diligence? Or are you confusing the fact that I do actually agree that the CSM should afford interest to all players in the collective beenfits of EvE?
However to add to the information the CSM constituational also provides for deliberate instructions outside the white paper disscussion on voting politics prior to the main body of the CSM instructions as set out below:
"The key question that council members must consider before casting their vote is whether or not the issue at hand has the potential to improve or otherwise benefit the entire EVE society, and not just a select group within the community that was successful in bringing attention to their unique case. Seeing the big pictureGÇöin this case, the needs of a society with over 300.000 individualsGÇöis the primary responsibility of a CSM Representative, and reconciling that view with the interests that won them the election is the greatest challenge they will face in this implementation."
and
"CCP is unable to accommodate any issue considered detrimental to the collective interests of EVE , particularly if the issue(s) touch upon meta-level concerns." |
Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.01.29 07:16:00 -
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I'm not entirely sure any more, I think we may be arguing in agreement. In any case I may have commited forum quote seppuku in my previous post. I may have got my "deliberatives" and my "representatives" crossed.
In any case I think I was out-clevered. Let's assume you're right. At least until I've had some sleep. Writer of Freebooted blog. Co-Creator of Tech4 News podcast. Former Co-host of Voices From the Void podcast. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
14
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Posted - 2012.01.29 10:59:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:I'm not entirely sure any more, I think we may be arguing in agreement. In any case I may have commited forum quote seppuku in my previous post. I may have got my "deliberatives" and my "representatives" crossed.
In any case I think I was out-clevered. Let's assume you're right. At least until I've had some sleep.
Fair enough, be interested to see any points of clarification.
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J Kunjeh
353
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Posted - 2012.01.29 11:40:00 -
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mkint wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:mkint wrote:tl;dr?
wtb character limits of one third what they are now. If you can't be bothered to read something, why not simply exit the thread instead of showing your ignorance. Mr Epeen Um... one of us is trying to move things forward. Bad (masturbatory) writing by the OP fails to convey a message. Asking him for the short version of his self congratulatory piece on god-knows-what is trying to make this thread mean something rather than be a random babbling rant (which according to forums rules is ground for a lock.) What did you contribute? asshat.
Seriously, for as much as you post you're one of the more useless posters on this forum. And most of your posts are self congratulatory "I can't be bothered because I'm a lazy doosh" bullshit.
"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5)-á |
Aldeskwatso
New Horizon Enterprises Beyond All Bounds
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Posted - 2012.01.29 11:53:00 -
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Not listening to the people you want to keep selling your product to will be the end of that product and often the company aswell. I've met my fair share of arrogant CEO's trying to push along their views regardless of what the target audience wants with all the bad results accompanied by such behavior.
Tho totally relying on what your target audience wants aint a good idea as well. Companies should listen to what they have to say and filter out the unrealistic so they can focus on realistic changes. I think CCP does this very well considering they are very innovative on the market but still stay true to their concept and vision. It's easy to stray from your original formula when you're being innovative.
Anyway, I think CCP deserves some more credit on what they have done resently. They've made some hard discisions from what I can understand from a consumers point of view. But it must have been tough on the internal workings of CCP as well.
And on CSM I can't really say anything. My first impression is that they aren't entirely representing their voters I think but that might also have to do with their voters having some unrealistic expectations or just the wrong timing. But I haven't really been following it. Thinking I should tho. When I point to the moon don't stare a my finger! |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4619
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:08:00 -
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mkint wrote:Ah, well, there's the problem. The system has failed. The system serves a very small percentage of the populous, punishing all others. GǪand you can provide some examples of this, I presume?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Doris Dents
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:22:00 -
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Tippia wrote:mkint wrote:Ah, well, there's the problem. The system has failed. The system serves a very small percentage of the populous, punishing all others. GǪand you can provide some examples of this, I presume? That guy not getting a free trip to Iceland |
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Spenser for Hire
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:mkint wrote:Ah, well, there's the problem. The system has failed. The system serves a very small percentage of the populous, punishing all others. GǪand you can provide some examples of this, I presume? Hulkageddon. :( |
Cass Lie
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.01.29 12:59:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:...
TL;DR for mkint
Players should work within the system to act positively and decisively for the good of the game rather than take every opportunity to be negative, critical and apathetic.
Anyone else finds this reply to mkint (one of the most negative posters to ever roam these forums) hilarious?
And to the OP: I agree, apart from the support of the RP crowd, but that wasn't your main point. I think people should realize that CSM genuinely wants to see EVE get better, that's why they are spending time working on stuff they are not paid for. If you have a well-reasoned proposal on other aspect of EVE, go take it to them, you may find someone to take it up and advocate it further. If you fundamentally disagree with everyone and their dog on CSM, go vote. It's really that simple.
And to those shouts about vocal minority: that linked graph actually shows that the proverbial high sec player (defined as a player who doesn't live outside of high sec on at least one character) is actually the minority. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:04:00 -
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Spenser for Hire wrote:Hulkageddon. :( GǪhas nothing to do with the CSM or the system surrounding it.
It also doesn't GÇ£serve a very small percentage of the populous, punishing all othersGÇ¥ GÇö quite the opposite, in fact. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
232
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:10:00 -
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What's wrong?
This is EvE. CSM is EvE.
They do what they are left to do and in favour of those who elected them (hot news, it's like RL politics).
Since this is EvE, anyone who does not like what CSM decides should fight their way into it and steer it to represent his interest.
Sitting in a forum crying won't change anything. Gotta dirty yer hands and do your sh!t. Nyx in hi sec: http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7929/highsecnyxforsale.jpg |
Shazzam Vokanavom
Hedion University Amarr Empire
15
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Posted - 2012.01.29 13:16:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What's wrong?
This is EvE. CSM is EvE.
They do what they are left to do and in favour of those who elected them (hot news, it's like RL politics).
Since this is EvE, anyone who does not like what CSM decides, should fight their way into it and steer it to represent his interest.
Sitting in a forum crying won't change anything. Gotta dirty yer hands and do your sh!t.
I actually see this comment as a breath of fresh air. At least it doesn't attempt to deny the corruption. |
Seismic Stan
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Posted - 2012.01.29 14:58:00 -
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@Shazzam Vokanavom
Sorry, I ran out of steam last night, but in regard to your post #34, I much prefer your quotes. Please disregard my earlier seppuku. :/
You make the point that we were both striving for far more clearly. I agree with you and your statement of "the CSM should afford interest to all players in the collective benefits of EvE"
Also this: "Seeing the big pictureGÇöin this case, the needs of a society with over 300.000 individualsGÇöis the primary responsibility of a CSM Representative"
In fact, especially that. As much as I appreciate that one of the jewels in EVE's crown is null-sec and that quite rightly needs love (treaties, Dominion pt.2 etc), I wouldn't want CCP to devote all of its development resources to that. Clearly, the stated intent of addressing Faction Warfare is an example of the recognition that there are players beyond the sov-war crowd. My purpose was and is to press that angle and encourage others to do the same.
It is a numbers game and if enough numbers get behind any issue, the CSM must back it.
Aldeskwatso wrote:Not listening to the people you want to keep selling your product to will be the end of that product and often the company aswell. I've met my fair share of arrogant CEO's trying to push along their views regardless of what the target audience wants with all the bad results accompanied by such behavior.
Tho totally relying on what your target audience wants aint a good idea as well. Companies should listen to what they have to say and filter out the unrealistic so they can focus on realistic changes. I think CCP does this very well considering they are very innovative on the market but still stay true to their concept and vision. It's easy to stray from your original formula when you're being innovative.
Anyway, I think CCP deserves some more credit on what they have done resently. They've made some hard discisions from what I can understand from a consumers point of view. But it must have been tough on the internal workings of CCP as well.
And on CSM I can't really say anything. My first impression is that they aren't entirely representing their voters I think but that might also have to do with their voters having some unrealistic expectations or just the wrong timing. But I haven't really been following it. Thinking I should tho.
Good points, I agree CCP should (and I think are) approach(ing) issues cautiously but even-handedly. I hope they don't play it entirely safe and only appease the null-sec clique, but other sectors need to voice their opinions to ensure they don't.
Your comment on the CSM may be true, but I'd certainly agree it would be great if you followed the issues more closely yourself and formed your own opinion.
Cass Lie wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:...
TL;DR for mkint
Players should work within the system to act positively and decisively for the good of the game rather than take every opportunity to be negative, critical and apathetic.
Anyone else finds this reply to mkint (one of the most negative posters to ever roam these forums) hilarious? And to the OP: I agree, apart from the support of the RP crowd, but that wasn't your main point. I think people should realize that CSM genuinely wants to see EVE get better, that's why they are spending time working on stuff they are not paid for. If you have a well-reasoned proposal on an aspect of EVE which is interesting to you, go take it to them, you may find someone to take it up and advocate it further. If you fundamentally disagree with everyone and their dog on CSM, go vote. It's really that simple. And to those shouts about vocal minority: that linked graph actually shows that the proverbial high sec-er (defined as a character belonging to a player who doesn't live outside of high sec on at least one character) is actually the minority.
Thanks for noticing. ;)
Also thank you for understanding the principle I was striving to get across. The encouragement of communities beyond the null-sec elite *is* the lifeblood of EVE as much as sov-war is. But players supporting those "minority interests" need to get behind the CSM and communicate with them.
Personally, I think the immersion storyline aspect is important, both as a marketing tool to attract new players and to provide a bit of depth and soul to the player experience. But I respect that many players don't care for it. It's do think its a shame as many are quick to dismiss some fantastic details "roleplay", when by default pretending to fly around in pretend spaceships is RPing to a degree anyway. But this is a discussion for another thread ;) Writer of Freebooted blog. Co-Creator of Tech4 News podcast. Former Co-host of Voices From the Void podcast. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.01.29 15:50:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:
I actually see this comment as a breath of fresh air. At least it doesn't attempt to deny the corruption.
The real problem for you is that... EvE is EvE.
Call it corruption, call it "emergent gameplay" or whatever, EvE is EvE from when you watch the intro video in your first day ever, to every one of its features, up and up to the people who develop and publish it, their structure, their politics, their human organizations (including CSM).
Hoping / asking to see something in this chain to not be EvE flavoured is as fruitful as peeing against the wind. You will only get yellow. Nyx in hi sec: http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7929/highsecnyxforsale.jpg |
Poetic Stanziel
Arrakis Technology
696
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Posted - 2012.01.29 20:31:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:In the absence of any other process, the CSM is the best avenue of communication we have as a playerbase. Lately, reading Ripard Teg's blog, I think he'd disagree and add "Hey, my blog is the best avenue of influence that we have." The STAIN Travel Bookmark Collection - 451 Bookmarks |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
417
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Posted - 2012.01.30 00:58:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:Then this should interest you and others then: Mittani wrote:Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not.
Yeah, he's probably talking about me there.
Hi folks, I was pointed to this thread. How is everyone this evening? Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:00:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Seismic Stan wrote:Then this should interest you and others then: Mittani wrote:Every CSM represents their own constituents. Some have delusions about 'representing everyone'. I do not. Yeah, he's probably talking about me there. Hi folks, I was pointed to this thread. How is everyone this evening?
Well, you're on the EVE-O forums. I hope this isn't the high point of your day. |
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Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:03:00 -
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Shazzam Vokanavom wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What's wrong?
This is EvE. CSM is EvE.
They do what they are left to do and in favour of those who elected them (hot news, it's like RL politics).
Since this is EvE, anyone who does not like what CSM decides, should fight their way into it and steer it to represent his interest.
Sitting in a forum crying won't change anything. Gotta dirty yer hands and do your sh!t. I actually see this comment as a breath of fresh air. At least it doesn't attempt to deny the corruption.
Yup. Seen this breath of fresh air before too. Get ready for some disappointment! |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:10:00 -
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That Mittens quote right there about not representing everyone is why this CSM thing should just stop. It was a good idea but its gone horribly wrong. However, this is EVE where good ideas come to die.
I voted for you and Trebor too (I had just 2 accounts at the time for all you math wizards out there.). |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
417
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:18:00 -
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Pavel Bidermann wrote:Seleene wrote:Hi folks, I was pointed to this thread. How is everyone this evening? Well, you're on the EVE-O forums. I hope this isn't the high point of your day.
Nah, I had some old lady at Wal Mart accuse me of trying to steal one of her helium filled balloons today. Not much can top that.
Pavel Bidermann wrote:That Mittens quote right there about not representing everyone is why this CSM thing should just stop. It was a good idea but its gone horribly wrong. However, this is EVE where good ideas come to die.
I voted for you and Trebor too (I had just 2 accounts at the time for all you math wizards out there.).
I, too, agree that without Excel, I'd be pretty doomed in the math department. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Seismic Stan
28
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:18:00 -
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Seleene, thanks for stopping by.
I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on the current and/or future CSM's ability to effectively represent and champion sectors of the playerbase with they have little or no personal experience.
Assuming the null-sec bloc continues to maintain it's voting stranglehold, how could these "minority interest" groups best make their case to the incumbents? Writer of Freebooted blog. Co-Creator of Tech4 News podcast. Former Co-host of Voices From the Void podcast. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
Pavel Bidermann
Aliastra Gallente Federation
83
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:31:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Pavel Bidermann wrote:Seleene wrote:Hi folks, I was pointed to this thread. How is everyone this evening? Well, you're on the EVE-O forums. I hope this isn't the high point of your day. Nah, I had some old lady at Wal Mart accuse me of trying to steal one of her helium filled balloons today. Not much can top that. Pavel Bidermann wrote:That Mittens quote right there about not representing everyone is why this CSM thing should just stop. It was a good idea but its gone horribly wrong. However, this is EVE where good ideas come to die.
I voted for you and Trebor too (I had just 2 accounts at the time for all you math wizards out there.). I, too, agree that without Excel, I'd be pretty doomed in the math department.
Sorry. forgot to finish writing there. Got distracted because for some unholy reason, my wife has decided to watch the Chipmonks Christmas movie right next to me. This is the sound of hell.
Anyway won't be an issue this year since subs runout in less than 2 weeks. Haven't seen a reason to undock since November. Actually, longer than that but I thought I would give it a go. Docked up a few minutes later and left it at that. |
Darth Skorpius
Legion of Darkwind Order of the Void
60
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:41:00 -
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[quote=Pavel Bidermann]That Mittens quote right there about not representing everyone is why this CSM thing should just stop. It was a good idea but its gone horribly wrong{/quote]
I think we should get rid of ALL forms of government in the real world because no politician represents everyone Follow my Adventures in New Eden! http://www.skorpiuschronicles.com/
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Beaches
9
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:49:00 -
[57] - Quote
So the OP is just saying players should use the CSM to communicate with CCP except then he tried to bore us to death with novel. Not falling for it.
You're wrong OP the CSM is worthless and you're a twit |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
417
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:51:00 -
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Seismic Stan wrote:Seleene, thanks for stopping by.
I'd be interested to know what your thoughts are on the current and/or future CSM's ability to effectively represent and champion sectors of the playerbase with they have little or no personal experience.
If the current dynamic of the CSM continues, which it should, then it just comes down to being able to listen / defer to other CSM members that know the subject matter better. CSM 6 was a lot more diverse than some might believe (I'll cover that in a moment) but we learned each others strengths and weaknesses early on. This was one of the main reasons that the whole 'alternate' title became pretty irrelevant this time around.
Seismic Stan wrote:Assuming the null-sec bloc continues to maintain it's voting stranglehold, how could these "minority interest" groups best make their case to the incumbents?
Get to know the front runners and make your voting choice accordingly based on substance. As for getting your views across, It's quite easy to get a hold of most of us. I tend to get a few eve mails a week on something CSM related. I can only speak for myself but I only ignore people that seem hell bent on self destructing their own arguments by frothing at the mouth. Anyone that bothers to contact with me a lucid question / request I try to follow up on. I try to reply / follow up as best I can and so do the others. Most importantly, don't let your opinion be influenced by labels or assumptions. This idea that CSM members ignore people or are untouchable is just wrong in most cases. Seleene's Sandbox - My Blog, where I say stuff. Follow Seleene on Twitter |
Harrigan VonStudly
The Generic Pirate Corporation
3
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Posted - 2012.01.30 01:51:00 -
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Stan, I'm afraid the only way to get full representation of the various types of game play within Eve ie: null, low sec, high sec, worm holes, RP, etc... is to make the CSM in to categories of representation for each group or facet of game play and have players run for each category so there is equal representation across the board. Unless that is implemented it will likely be as it is. A null sec dominated CSM.
Please note that CSM 6 has achieved much greatness this term. Understandingly that is not your point and I digress. |
Seismic Stan
28
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Posted - 2012.01.30 02:05:00 -
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Cheers Seleene. I have more questions since we have your attention, I'd be grateful if you (or any of your CSM colleagues) could throw us a few answers:
- How would you describe the performance of the CSM in this past year?
- Has it been effective behind closed doors? How would you describe the working relationship with CCP? Is there any resentment?
- Would you say that the existing CSM team is a "dream team" or could you strengthen the squad?
- What would you say to those that believe the CSM are claiming credit for events and game improvements they have no right to claim?
- Do you see any value in attempting to give the CSM process a better image amongst the players or are existing incumbents happy to work the system as is?
- What would you foresee the goals and focus of CSM7 tot be in the coming year?
Thank you for your time, both in general for the past year and in answering these questions. Writer of Freebooted blog. Co-Creator of Tech4 News podcast. Former Co-host of Voices From the Void podcast. Author of Incarna: The Text Adventure. |
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