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Yojovany Megens	Posted - 2007.10.28 10:35:00 - [1] I have noticed an increased activity of empire pirates in tsafev empire (0.5 and higher). Now you might wonder, what is the problem with empire pirates` I am protected by concord and gate/station guns, so why even bother? I can just safely watch tv and let my character haul my values afk syle. Your wrong! The last couple of weeks I have seen at least 6 kills made by kamikaze characters of various empire pirate corporations. They used kamikaze cruisers up to kamikaze battleships, depending on the value of the cargo of their target and the class of ship that holds the cargo. The kamikaze pops the target before concord can get to the rescue (max dps) and then his buddy in a hauler will pick the wreck clean once he gets popped by concord seconds later. Please note the following list as guide lines to pay attention to: Measure 1: When transporting something relative small in size but high of value, make sure you put it in a secure audit can! Not just a secure can, but a secure audit can! Set passwords for configuration and opening the can and locking/unlocking the items in the can. Put ur BPOFs and other small stuff in that can. Use multiple cans if needed. Effect 1: At first this is a preventive measure. A smart pirate will know that popping you wont yield him the loot thatFs in this can. If itFs a dumb pirate and pops you anyway, concord will pop his ship, resulting in a 100% financial loss for the pirate and standing loss. No matter in what way you put it, the pirate will loze more ISK then he will gain and his action will result him one step closer into getting banned from high sec space! Measure 2: When transporting something, always slap on maximum HP! This means putting shield extenders and armor plates on your ship. If you transport small cargo, but very valuable (like T2 BPOFs or some T1 BPOFs) use a cruiser or anything that has a lot of slots and slap that full of extenders. It should give you about 10.000 hp at least, thatFs enough to hold out against a kamikaze battleship before concord comes to your rescue. Never ever use just a standard ship industrial to transport ur BPOFs! They pop to easy! When transporting something of size, use a T2 transportship. Those have great resistances and you can slam extenders on them to. You aint got no skills for it? Then make sure to obey next rule: Effect 2: By increasing HP on your ship the pirates must use either more kamikazes or stronger class of kamikazes to do the job. Make sure the kamikazes they have to use always end up more costly then the cargo you have in your bay! So if you transport something of say 200M isk, make sure they need at least 2 battleships to pop you before concord arrives, thus making it not lucrative to pop you. Match the value of your cargo bay with the financial loss the pirates would have to take. "Table" for transport of small sized valuable cargo: Destroyer with extenders (5.000hp) good against 1 kamikaze battlecruiser Cruiser with extenders (10.000hp) good against 1 kamikaze battleship Battlecruiser with extenders (20.000hp) good against 2 kamikaze battleships Whenever you got the skills and need to transport alot of cargo with value, use a blockade runner. Those have great resists and haul alot of cargo anyway.
BLACK D0G Vale Heavy Industries Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:10:00 - [2] keep telling yourself this is how it is.
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.28 11:18:00 - [3] thank you, captain obvious Originally by: 'CCP Nozh' We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative
Katrina Coreli toxicology	Posted - 2007.10.28 13:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Katrina Coreli on 28/10/2007 13:03:25 No offense but not only are you giving obvious advice and pointing out the even more obvious but you are giving positivly bad advice. If you are transporting expensive but small items such as BPs using a "tanked" cruiser is madness. You want fast warping ships or, better yet fast warping and cloaking ships (i.e cov ops). Enjoy transporting Tech 2 BPOs through gank areas in a tanked cruiser, but prepare to lose alot. -=EDIT=- Also dont kid your self that you losing your expensive BPOs and your ganker getting nothing is a financial victory. Your average suicide BC looses 5 mil per ship, any suicide ganker will leap at the chance to get even a 1% chance shot at a Tech 2 BPO. THE CAKE IS A LIE!
animal man Gallente The Accursed	Posted - 2007.10.28 13:40:00 - [5] i suppose you want this a sticky too?
Gigi Kent	Posted - 2007.10.28 14:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Yojovany Megens [ Measure 1: When transporting something relative small in size but high of value, make sure you put it in a secure audit can! Not just a secure can, but a secure audit can! Set passwords for configuration and opening the can and locking/unlocking the items in the can. Put ur BPOFs and other small stuff in that can. Use multiple cans if needed. This doesnt work. password doesnt work unless you anchor the can
Shandling Minmatar	Posted - 2007.10.28 14:44:00 - [7] Small cargo = inty w/ stabs/nanos or a covops. :P Don't be stupid enough to toss it into a bigger, more vulnerable ship.
Wesley Baird Murder-Death-Kill	Posted - 2007.10.28 15:31:00 - [8] You should try doing some suicide ganks, then you may discover how bad most of your advice is...
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.28 15:41:00 - [9] First of all, a password-protected can can just be repackaged, spitting out all the contents to their hangar. Second, the best ships to transport low-volume high-value items through highsec are really fast-aligners or covert ops frigates using the ninja-flicker. Third: Plates slow your aligning, and extenders, though useful, do allow people to lock onto you sooner. Fourth, 10k health just won't cut it to survive a suicide gank-a Brutix can cut through that in under 20 seconds, and in the highest security space, a couple will easily cut through that. Fifth, guess what? T1 modules are cheap, and platinum insurance will cover at least 70% of their ship. Sixth, you have forgotten the number one tip. Warp to zero and don't autopilot. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
Lithalnas Amarr Headcrabs	Posted - 2007.10.28 17:39:00 - [10] hmmm, proph + plates + t2 bpc might actually be profitable ------------- fixed for greater eve content

Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:11:00 - [11] just go for a full-inertia sigil if you must use industrials :\| Originally by: 'CCP Nozh' We did not expect the requests to prematurely end dear Zulupark's existence in this universe, some of which were very imaginative
clare bear	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:55:00 - [12] Edited by: clare bear on 28/10/2007 18:55:39 i loled If u are dumb enough to be transporting 1bill+ isk in a frig sized ship afk, then its clear u are too dumb to read, so this advice wont be accesable to the plebs who need it most. I will still get rich from dumb ppl no matter how u try to warn them. hell when i think about it how do they manage the mundane task of switching on the PC in the morning?
spongebobbb	Posted - 2007.10.28 18:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Yojovany Megens "Table" for transport of small sized valuable cargo: Destroyer with extenders (5.000hp) good against 1 kamikaze battlecruiser Cruiser with extenders (10.000hp) good against 1 kamikaze battleship Battlecruiser with extenders (20.000hp) good against 2 kamikaze battleships 1st one gank brutix/cane will do it. (0.5) 2nd one gank brutix/cane with 5 sentry drones will do it (0.5) 3rd one gank mega with 5 sentry drones will do it (0.5) i think dont underestimate the power of the gank
Acoco Osiris Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.10.28 20:30:00 - [14] Originally by: clare bear Edited by: clare bear on 28/10/2007 18:55:39 i loled If u are dumb enough to be transporting 1bill+ isk in a frig sized ship afk, then its clear u are too dumb to read, so this advice wont be accesable to the plebs who need it most. I will still get rich from dumb ppl no matter how u try to warn them. hell when i think about it how do they manage the mundane task of switching on the PC in the morning? When covert ops frigates and interceptors are some of the best ships to transport low-volume high-value stuff in? Obviously you forget that a quick-aligning/cloaking ship is nearly invulnerable to a highsec gatecamp, seeing as they can warp off before being targeted and cargo scanned. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars.
clare bear	Posted - 2007.10.28 21:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Acoco Osiris Originally by: clare bear Edited by: clare bear on 28/10/2007 18:55:39 i loled If u are dumb enough to be transporting 1bill+ isk in a frig sized ship afk, then its clear u are too dumb to read, so this advice wont be accesable to the plebs who need it most. I will still get rich from dumb ppl no matter how u try to warn them. hell when i think about it how do they manage the mundane task of switching on the PC in the morning? When covert ops frigates and interceptors are some of the best ships to transport low-volume high-value stuff in? Obviously you forget that a quick-aligning/cloaking ship is nearly invulnerable to a highsec gatecamp, seeing as they can warp off before being targeted and cargo scanned. u fail to read my posting, thierfor you are dumb. Perhaps you cant read properly. i said "in a frig sized ship afk," the key word here is afk i take it you do know what this means? ships are only as good as the pilot and you can have the fastest aligning uberceptor but if the pilot is afk it means nothing.
Rudy Metallo Additional Pylons	Posted - 2007.10.29 03:30:00 - [16] Originally by: clare bear u fail to read my posting, thierfor you are dumb. I lol'd. A lot. -- We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods.
Vargr Rune Caldari Lonetrek Salvage Corp.	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:04:00 - [17] Keep in mind that every public observation that points out holes on Yojovany's original methods diminishes the ability to exploit them for all their worth. It would seem that in this type of situation it would be more practical to just silently nod and smile... knowing damn well that you would have a few hundred new targets who are convinced that this plan would work. {my two cents]
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:23:00 - [18] You forgot the age old truth... put your most valuable BPOs in a shuttle and autopilot through lowsec... you'll be fine because you haven't done anything to the people camping the gates and they wouldn't murder you Originally by: Liz Kali Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking I owned someone on forums!!!
Tueuse Beaute Amarr	Posted - 2007.10.29 04:31:00 - [19] Originally by: Vargr Rune Keep in mind that every public observation that points out holes on Yojovany's original methods diminishes the ability to exploit them for all their worth. I agree Vargr. I take great comfort in the knowledge these boards provide me with in showing that stupidity and ignorance are not just limited to the care bears.
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2007.10.29 07:22:00 - [20] Originally by: Yojovany Megens Edited by: Yojovany Megens on 28/10/2007 10:51:49 I have noticed an increased activity of empire pirates in tsafev empire (0.5 and higher). Now you might wonder, what is the problem with empire pirates` I am protected by concord and gate/station guns, so why even bother? I can just safely watch tv and let my character haul my values afk syle. Your wrong! The last couple of weeks I have seen at least 6 kills made by kamikaze characters of various empire pirate corporations. They used kamikaze cruisers up to kamikaze battleships, depending on the value of the cargo of their target and the class of ship that holds the cargo. The kamikaze pops the target before concord can get to the rescue (max dps) and then his buddy in a hauler will pick the wreck clean once he gets popped by concord seconds later. Please note the following list as guide lines to pay attention to: Measure 1: When transporting something relative small in size but high of value, make sure you put it in a secure audit can! Not just a secure can, but a secure audit can! Set passwords for configuration and opening the can and locking/unlocking the items in the can. Put ur BPOFs and other small stuff in that can. Use multiple cans if needed. Effect 1: At first this is a preventive measure. A smart pirate will know that popping you wont yield him the loot thatFs in this can. If itFs a dumb pirate and pops you anyway, concord will pop his ship, resulting in a 100% financial loss for the pirate and standing loss. No matter in what way you put it, the pirate will loze more ISK then he will gain and his action will result him one step closer into getting banned from high sec space! Measure 2: When transporting something, always slap on maximum HP! This means putting shield extenders and armor plates on your ship. If you transport small cargo, but very valuable (like T2 BPOFs or some T1 BPOFs) use a cruiser or anything that has a lot of slots and slap that full of extenders. It should give you about 10.000 hp at least, thatFs enough to hold out against a kamikaze battleship before concord comes to your rescue. Never ever use just a standard ship industrial to transport ur BPOFs! They pop to easy! When transporting something of size, use a T2 transportship. Those have great resistances and you can slam extenders on them to. You aint got no skills for it? Then make sure to obey next rule: Effect 2: By increasing HP on your ship the pirates must use either more kamikazes or stronger class of kamikazes to do the job. Make sure the kamikazes they have to use always end up more costly then the cargo you have in your bay! So if you transport something of say 200M isk, make sure they need at least 2 battleships to pop you before concord arrives, thus making it not lucrative to pop you. Match the value of your cargo bay with the financial loss the pirates would have to take. "Table" for transport of small sized valuable cargo: Destroyer with extenders (5.000hp) good against 1 kamikaze battlecruiser Cruiser with extenders (10.000hp) good against 1 kamikaze battleship Battlecruiser with extenders (20.000hp) good against 2 kamikaze battleships Whenever you got the skills and need to transport alot of cargo with value, use a blockade runner. Those have great resists and haul alot of cargo anyway. Note that whan you get popped, not mutch of the cargo survives the blow. This might change the ratio of the value of your cargo vs the value of their kamikazes, but its never a standard. Sometimes 90% gets lost, sometimes only 30%. You dont know. That's a lot of text. I can give better advise using just two words: Don't AFK! Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"!

Okkie2	Posted - 2007.10.29 08:07:00 - [21] Edited by: Okkie2 on 29/10/2007 08:09:43 Originally by: Acoco Osiris First of all, a password-protected can can just be repackaged, spitting out all the contents to their hangar. That's not even needed, if the can survives anybody can look inside even if a pasword is set. Oh and BTW it also does NOT prevent scanning the goods inside the container like a lot of people think.
Strife Phoenix Acerbus Vindictum Nex Super Vos	Posted - 2007.10.29 10:16:00 - [22] And the only thing all of the posters except the OP contribute to is people getting more knowledge in how to avoid gankage. TBH It is GOOD for OUR CAUSE if people follow the OP so please stop with the hints ok? :) Acerbus-Vindictum - Revelare Pecunia!


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