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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1277
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:12:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Once the election is over I'll share some insight into how I decided to run my election efforts the way I have. I'll provide a hint, I love studying how RL behavior seems to lose its way once we find ourselves in the Eve 'verse. My efforts for election were serious to be sure but I also took the opportunity to see Eve vs RL first hand. O hai guise I was trolling all along! Issler Dainze wrote:But please, keep working on the witty remarks! We could use something to bring some more humor here! I... I don't even...
Definitely not trolling.. but trying to use the current US presidential election as a model for my campaign.
I do want to represent the miners in Eve in the CSM 7, I am very serious about that, but I was definitely seeing how current US politics could work as campaign model. Seems to be as bad in Eve as it is in RL!
Issler Dainze The Miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.20 23:17:00 -
[902] - Quote
Gentlemen, congratulations.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Q1vM2vPIk
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2088
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:51:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote: But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity.
Now that people are continuing to call you on your rude behavior, you have the audacity to pretend to be "the nice one" all along. I'm sorry, but tossing out a few "Hans is a good guy" lines isn't going to convince anyone that's been reading this and observed the pattern of knee-jerk and completely disrespectful comments that you have become known for. Everyone sees right through the self-righteousness here.
You've made false statements about my platform, you've insulted my writing by calling it a "waste of time", you've misconstrued my relationships with other people and opened your mouth before you knew any better, you've shown zero respect for anyone's privacy, you've called me unfit to represent the community, and now you're just plain calling me crazy. Please explain how ANY of this behavior is consistent with running a "positive and respectful campaign"?
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 00:53:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
Issler Dainze The miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that.
I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mains) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting.
If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign.
The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base.
You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:30:00 -
[905] - Quote
[quote=Hans Jagerblitzen][quote=Issler Dainze But at this point I'd say Hans owes me as much of an apology as I might owe him. I offered to correct this whole mess before he went all crazy in his later posts. But he dug in and would have none of it, and I'm sorry but I offered a pile of olive branches in this thread which he seemed more interested in using as kindling. I all but said vote for him. I didn't see much reciprocity [/quote
Now that people are continuing to call you on your rude behavior, you have the audacity to pretend to be "the nice one" all along. I'm sorry, but tossing out a few "Hans is a good guy" lines isn't going to convince anyone that's been reading this and observed the pattern of knee-jerk and completely disrespectful comments that you have become known for. Everyone sees right through the self-righteousness here.
You've made false statements about my platform, you've insulted my writing by calling it a "waste of time", you've misconstrued my relationships with other people and opened your mouth before you knew any better, you've shown zero respect for anyone's privacy, you've called me unfit to represent the community, and now you're just plain calling me crazy. Please explain how ANY of this behavior is consistent with running a "positive and respectful campaign"
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Can you cite where I called it a waste of time for you? I said for the campaign I chose to run it would have been a waste of time for ME!
Why are you flogging this dead horse
Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
But what I said to you and about you, I stand by every word. If you can't even work something like this out you have no chance of being effective in the CSM 7
The election is over, I'm sure you did well, What on earth do you expect now
You said that this would someday damage someone's political future, how do you seeing this last post of yours making you look any better? What on earth is the point
Get a grip Hans, move along, nothing to see here....
Folks, for the record, at this point the voting is closed!! I have just completed graciously posting a sincere wish of good luck to all the candidates I would like to see in the CSM 7. That included Hans. I even suggested that he will finish 4th
Hans, you can take the high road, accept its over (it is no matter what you decide) and put this behind you or you can continue being an asshat and demanding in a pointless fashion something you will never get from me
If I was facing those two choices, I know which one I'd choose as well as which one makes me look less obsessed with being right in the future and who might be better suited at working through challenging personalities that may be part of the CSM 7
So you pick, I have nothing to lose, the election is a done deal, we'll see what the votes say but is you want to rant back and forth, have at it. I've gotten very used to it after 7 months of defending ambulation
Serioulsy Hans, you looked to have done great, let go and be happy with that.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 01:36:00 -
[906] - Quote
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:
Your main character with an employment history of one NPC corp says it all.
So why should I waste my time speaking to someone who can invent any history they want.
You won't vote for me, fine, but at least I'm who I say I am.
Issler Dainze The miner's Friend CSM 7 Candidate
It's very telling that you cling to this issue now instead of addressing all of the arguments myself and others have made throughout your threads. One only needs to look at everything I said in the post you quoted to see that. I've made no attempt to hide who I am. I was the one who said I sold my mining toon. And I've made no secret of the fact that I'm a very casual highsec dweller. But you already know that. I'm not going to insult your intelligence by explaining how over years of playing people can change toons(and even mains ) to pursue different play styles. You only brought that up in the hopes I'd stop posting. If I wanted to troll you on an alt, I could have said nothing about selling my toon and you wouldn't have been the wiser. It was only after I mentioned it that you began to question whether this was an alt in the hopes it would divert attention from the real issues people have with your campaign. The fact that I, a very casual highsec player, can come into your threads and point out your lack of knowledge about the demographics you claim to represent(as well as the game in general) shows how you're woefully under-qualified to be on the CSM. I didn't "invent any history." I stated what I have experienced ingame and widely known by eve's player base. You really exemplify a lot of the people against the current CSM. Most of them just don't know what they're talking about.
Go on, you are most impressive...... Even after the election is over you just can't stop yourself.... so sure.. post away!
Issler
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:07:00 -
[907] - Quote
This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:10:00 -
[908] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement?
Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later?
Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied?
Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:15:00 -
[909] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.
If you read my last response to Hans I made it clear you were the one poster I was sad to have disappointed you...
"Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret"
So I apologize to YOU.
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:17:00 -
[910] - Quote
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you.
Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever.......
How can I go on....
Issler
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1283
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:22:00 -
[911] - Quote
Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning.
I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here.
Issler |
Sidus Sarmiang
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
73
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:29:00 -
[912] - Quote
Breakin' da triplepost |
Grumpy Owly
354
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:36:00 -
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Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning. I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned. Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him. Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here. Issler
Presumably comments continued here as this is the thread where the topic originated.
Do you need me to be a peacemaker for your errors? Surely that is a personal matter between you and Hans. Why does it suddenly need my brokerage to resolve? Especialy when I left it to your discretion as to how you wanted to treat the matter. Bounty Hunting for CSM7 |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
2088
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Posted - 2012.03.21 02:59:00 -
[914] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote: I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
You persist in calling me crazy and telling me to "get a grip" in some vain attempt to have the last word and make me out to be the perpetrator, while ignoring the previous 6 pages where you lied, jumped to conclusions, broke trust, invaded privacy, insulted my writing, and called me unfit to lead. I understand why you want this to go away.
Whether it ends or not has always been your choice, as much as you've tried to push the responsibility off on me. It's your decision whether to keep posting defensively, and keep giving players a record to judge your character for future reference.
I really have nothing more to say, feel free to keep justifying yourself if you wish. All I ask is that you skip the compliments if you're just going to point to them like they're some badge of honor, and refuse to address everything else that you've said and done.
Missed an interview or debate? Check my CSM7 blog for details.
Many thanks to all of my friends and supporters for the kind words! |
Galatica789
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
25
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:33:00 -
[915] - Quote
Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 03:55:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned.
Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him.
You persist in calling me crazy and telling me to "get a grip" in some vain attempt to have the last word and make me out to be the perpetrator, while ignoring the previous 6 pages where you lied, jumped to conclusions, broke trust, invaded privacy, insulted my writing, and called me unfit to lead. I understand why you want this to go away. Whether it ends or not has always been your choice, as much as you've tried to push the responsibility off on me. It's your decision whether to keep posting defensively, and keep giving players a record to judge your character for future reference. I really have nothing more to say, feel free to keep justifying yourself if you wish. All I ask is that you skip the compliments if you're just going to point to them like they're some badge of honor, and refuse to address everything else that you've said and done.
Yes, keeping this up doesn't make you look at all crazy.......
Dude, its over, lets see how we did. I do wish you good luck. Last time I'm going to say that to you.
I offered to do what you asked (do I need to post the email too?) and you went all mental before I could.
Issler (no need to keep a long sig) |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:01:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Grumpy Owly wrote:Issler Dainze wrote: Yes, all three of these people. It's terrible. A fellow that lied about who he was to try and make his point who I've never seen post before and a fellow I genuinely respect, Grumpy Owl, who getting in a kerfuffle with is something I regret
Then I suppose you forgot my request for your views on Bounty Hunting? Or that you thanked me in your thread for the involvement? Or as an example me trying to support your credability in the Ambulation debate. Which you later go on to acknowledge and include in quotes later? Please I'm intrigued. How have I lied? Also, interesting that you see it of no consequence to continue discussing points now. I see the CSM7 as just starting not finishing at this point. Yes the elections have ended, but now I would expect the real matters of task relating to the CSM actually beginning. I'd point out on other thing. Once the election was over I stopped posting about this last dust up, went to the other candidates threads who I hoped were elected starting with Hans wishing a sincere "good luck". I thought it was over as far as candidate debates were concerned. Hans is the one that couldn't let it go after it was over. So are you asking him the same question? What did he feel was the benefit to anyone in continuing the argument here? I looked and I didn't see you post that question to him. Again, sorry I lost your support but you seem to be applying at least two standards here. Issler Presumably comments continued here as this is the thread where the topic originated. Do you need me to be a peacemaker for your errors? Surely that is a personal matter between you and Hans. Why does it suddenly need my mediation to resolve? Especialy when I left it to your discretion as to how you wanted to treat the matter.
Peacemaker for may errors, I see one that was an easy one to make and I admitted it and apologized for it..
You might see if you can get Hans to start taking his space madness meds again, he doesn't seem capable of stopping himself.
Again, Grumpy Owly, you show yourself reasoned and level headed, thanks for that, if you know a way to get Hans to believe I am sincere in my wish of good luck to him you would be my hero.
I've conceded all I intend to, so unless folks just want to badger there really isn't a lot more to hope for from me, unless you really are here for the argument clinic...
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:02:00 -
[918] - Quote
Galatica789 wrote:Carebear is bitter it didnt get in CSM :(
First, you don't know that and second, really never expected to win. Hard to herd high sec miners into voting in the CSM.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:03:00 -
[919] - Quote
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:Breakin' da triplepost
Why thanks for that!
Issler |
Galatica789
Shadows Of The Federation Drunk 'n' Disorderly
26
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:05:00 -
[920] - Quote
I do know, and you had hope of winning, and now its gone |
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:07:00 -
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Galatica789 wrote:I do know, and you had hope of winning, and now its gone
You are actually very wrong on a lot of levels.
Issler
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Barnabas O'Malley
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:31:00 -
[922] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever....... How can I go on.... Issler Sigh
Ascribing something to me I never said or implied. I took the liberty to bold some parts of my last post for you. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 04:56:00 -
[923] - Quote
Barnabas O'Malley wrote:Issler Dainze wrote:Barnabas O'Malley wrote:This only needs to be linked in all future CSM elections to sink your candidacies in the years to come. It's a comprehensive record of your lies, your further lies relating to the people who called you on them and your parroting of things long since discredited.
It's also the only thread I've ever seen where goons gently caressed someone by actually being gentle. You were actually trolled worse by them engaging in real discourse.
And now you think this thread will magically die because the election is over. Good luck to you. Yes, you have doomed me politically in space politics forever....... How can I go on.... Issler SighAscribing something to me I never said or implied. I took the liberty to bold some parts of my last post for you.
You claim this thread is full of lies. How can that not imply my future political doom, unless you believe that voters like candidates that lie, which would go a long way to explain you.
I stand by everything I've posted. You are the alt that only revealed it when it suited your deceit.
I've got no issue with this or any other thread I've posted in.
So just to be clear to other folks that intend to post here.
I will only respond going forward to the following folks.
- Hans if he wants to rant crazy talk more here after he probalbly won a spot in the top 7 seats, I mean I can't get enough of that.
- Goon trolls, you've all won my heart!
- New folks!.
- Sullen birds because I like a certain owl and I hope we someday get to a better place!
- Miners! You are the shiniest pilots in all of Eve!
- Supporters! I love you all!
- Egg laying mammals! - I remain dedicated to the domestication of the Platypus!
- Llamas!
If you aren't in the above list I likely won't respond.
Issler
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Will Hunter
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:04:00 -
[924] - Quote
In a ''election'' were people like Xenuria and Riverine are candidates you manage to be the worts of the crop
please go back to the hole you came from |
Vordak Kallager
Autocannons Anonymous Late Night Alliance
172
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:21:00 -
[925] - Quote
Oh by the way Issler, if you weren't aware, a "Good luck!" =/= an apology. I think Hans is just annoyed that you won't apologize, not that you misconstrued what he stood for and denigrated his experience (although I believe you did this out of ignorance and not maliciously), not that you posted personal communications (not illegal, but certainly not classy), and not that you insist on questioning his mental state. He's requested an apology and you just side-step it saying, "Good luck Hans, I think you have a chance at CSM7!" then in the next line saying "Hans is a nutter, he is the bad guy here." Repeatedly.
Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7 |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:29:00 -
[926] - Quote
Will Hunter wrote:In a ''election'' were people like Xenuria and Riverine are candidates you manage to be the worts of the crop
please go back to the hole you came from
Ouch!! I'm the worts!!!! I am losing the will to live!!!
Seriously, I guess I need to be more specific about the goons I'll dance in the forums with.
-The regulars! You know who you are! You guys worked on your trolling and have earned some respect from me.
- New bees wanting to work on your trolling chops like this guy, make an effort, incorporate something I posted or did. There is plenty of stuff to draw from! Be clever!
If you are just going to phone it in like Will here I'll just block you like I just blocked him.
So sorry about the confusion.
Issler |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
1285
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Posted - 2012.03.21 05:48:00 -
[927] - Quote
Vordak Kallager wrote:Oh by the way Issler, if you weren't aware, a "Good luck!" =/= an apology. I think Hans is just annoyed that you won't apologize, not that you misconstrued what he stood for and denigrated his experience (although I believe you did this out of ignorance and not maliciously), not that you posted personal communications (not illegal, but certainly not classy), and not that you insist on questioning his mental state. He's requested an apology and you just side-step it saying, "Good luck Hans, I think you have a chance at CSM7!" then in the next line saying "Hans is a nutter, he is the bad guy here." Repeatedly.
Sorry that my interpretation doesn't align with yours. But look at it from my perspective. Before the election some stranger I've never heard of contacts me directly saying he has the election all sewed up and there is no point in me, or many other candidates running. He sends me a link to an impressive document with many good ideas but nothing that address the whole reason I'm running and implies somehow he'd be better to represent my constituency. I'm polite in my response and go about my business. I see he seems to gaining traction in his efforts and I'm happy for him.
Then all of a sudden in my view he seems to be trying to make the case that from the beginning he has represented himself as a miner and has been seeking to represent the high sec miner. Seemed like some sort of reality distortion bubble and a clear last minute vote grab. I post a mail he sent to show that it isn't so clear what he thinks of the other candidates as a counter to show he isn't being honest in how he represents himself. He becomes obsessed with getting me to take down the mail because he fears it will damage his relationship with two likely members of the CSM 7 he claims as his "friends".
There was additional direct communications between the two of us where I offered to do what he asked me but before I could do what he asked he went on the attack.
You have to ask yourself how you can feel someone so thin skinned can actually work in a group like the CSM where passion on the part of the other members could easily be misconstrued as an attack.
Someone with Hans' temperament wouldn't last a day in the world I live in if he can fly off the handle and be so personally affected by something as simple as our exchanges. Not who I'd look for to represent me which is a sad thing for me to have to conclude because at the start of this election I was a fan of his and would be now if had just stayed out of my thread and started to make this personal.
His desire to continue our exchange after the voting closed made me question his ability to work with people he doesn't agree with, to be able to gain consensus with a diverse group and finally his ability to see the big picture. He had nothing to gain and everything in the future to lose. It wouldn't affect the election, but it made him look excitable and irrational and lost him any support from anyone that might support me.
So I'm happy with my response and sad for Hans (also no longer a fan of him in CSM 7).
Good luck was not an apology but I don't owe him one. If what I've posted can get him so wrapped around the axle what happens to him when the attacks really happen.
Issler |
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You know that really uncomfortable feeling you get when two people you know start fighting when you're right there? ...yeah... Maybe you've known one a while and have only been introduced to the other recently, but still them fighting kind of makes you squirm...ever run into that? |
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Vordak Kallager
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Issler Dainze wrote:Vordak Kallager wrote:Oh by the way Issler, if you weren't aware, a "Good luck!" =/= an apology. I think Hans is just annoyed that you won't apologize, not that you misconstrued what he stood for and denigrated his experience (although I believe you did this out of ignorance and not maliciously), not that you posted personal communications (not illegal, but certainly not classy), and not that you insist on questioning his mental state. He's requested an apology and you just side-step it saying, "Good luck Hans, I think you have a chance at CSM7!" then in the next line saying "Hans is a nutter, he is the bad guy here." Repeatedly. Sorry that my interpretation doesn't align with yours. But look at it from my perspective. Before the election some stranger I've never heard of contacts me directly saying he has the election all sewed up and there is no point in me, or many other candidates running. He sends me a link to an impressive document with many good ideas but nothing that address the whole reason I'm running and implies somehow he'd be better to represent my constituency. I'm polite in my response and go about my business. I see he seems to gaining traction in his efforts and I'm happy for him. Then all of a sudden in my view he seems to be trying to make the case that from the beginning he has represented himself as a miner and has been seeking to represent the high sec miner. Seemed like some sort of reality distortion bubble and a clear last minute vote grab. I post a mail he sent to show that it isn't so clear what he thinks of the other candidates as a counter to show he isn't being honest in how he represents himself. He becomes obsessed with getting me to take down the mail because he fears it will damage his relationship with two likely members of the CSM 7 he claims as his "friends". There was additional direct communications between the two of us where I offered to do what he asked me but before I could do what he asked he went on the attack. You have to ask yourself how you can feel someone so thin skinned can actually work in a group like the CSM where passion on the part of the other members could easily be misconstrued as an attack. Someone with Hans' temperament wouldn't last a day in the world I live in if he can fly off the handle and be so personally affected by something as simple as our exchanges. Not who I'd look for to represent me which is a sad thing for me to have to conclude because at the start of this election I was a fan of his and would be now if had just stayed out of my thread and started to make this personal. His desire to continue our exchange after the voting closed made me question his ability to work with people he doesn't agree with, to be able to gain consensus with a diverse group and finally his ability to see the big picture. He had nothing to gain and everything in the future to lose. It wouldn't affect the election, but it made him look excitable and irrational and lost him any support from anyone that might support me. So I'm happy with my response and sad for Hans (also no longer a fan of him in CSM 7). Good luck was not an apology but I don't owe him one. If what I've posted can get him so wrapped around the axle what happens to him when the attacks really happen. Issler
You've outdone yourself, Issler, by miles; a feat I didn't believe possible. I think a congratulations are in order.
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