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DarkNicodimus
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.27 05:11:00 -
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Does Apex intend on fighting or is this just a publicity stunt.We are still waiting, no Apex anywere ---
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Karok Vilneram
APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.27 06:30:00 -
[32]
As I fly around Stacmon your pilots fail to undock thier ships. I grow dissapointed.
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Booken Blue
Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.27 08:33:00 -
[33]
As you fly in Stacmon in the middle of the night, you find most of our forces away, sleeping, or fighting a bigger threat.
Ironically, the same would apply early in the morning. ---
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Konsaki Dagna
Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:31:00 -
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Originally by: Booken Blue As you fly in Stacmon in the middle of the night, you find most of our forces away
Getting drunk to drown their fear and worry.
Quote: , sleeping
No problem with that. Being drunk does make one's body demand sleep.
Quote: , or fighting a bigger threat.
Trying to get to the head can be so tricky in the middle of the night, eh? Cleaning the mess up would be a problem too, I'm guessing.
Quote: Ironically, the same would apply early in the morning.
Figuring out how to get dressed for war in a drunken stupor...
Please stop making excuses for why your personnel run away and hide. You're twice the size of APEX yet still jump into the nearest station when any threat arises.
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Naphtalia
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:28:00 -
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Another war, another whining bunch of Federal lapdogs..
I will ask again, "Scared much?"
You know where APEX are based, I can assure you they are here all the time, and always in space, some of them even in Retrievers and mining barges, becuase, well... even behind enemy lines it is very peaceful.
When they aren't mining in peace they are doing sorties deep into your core systems, causing you to dock.
Please visit, or face the fleets, or just be silent and get it done with. But this whining is pathetic.
Recruitment - Guristas Associates
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Gerrard DuNord
Strix Armaments and Defence Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.27 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Naphtalia Another war, another whining bunch of Federal lapdogs..
I will ask again, "Scared much?"
You know where APEX are based, I can assure you they are here all the time, and always in space, some of them even in Retrievers and mining barges, becuase, well... even behind enemy lines it is very peaceful.
When they aren't mining in peace they are doing sorties deep into your core systems, causing you to dock.
Please visit, or face the fleets, or just be silent and get it done with. But this whining is pathetic.
Given this statement from a known pirate organisation that APEX are based, even welcomed as brothers, in their territory, I am curious as to how Caldari State loyalist corporations now view APEX. Whilst I have had cause to take up arms against State aligned corporations in the past, I never lost respect for those forces as they were simply serving an ideology that differed from my own, but was still grounded in the principles of an ordered society.
Personally, if the positions were reversed and this were a Gallente corporation taking up with pirates in Caldari space I would consider them traitors and wish the Caldari State forces well in their elimination. I might even be persuaded to assist in that destruction as there is nothing worse than a traitor.
There has been a lot of discussion regarding various sides hiring mercenaries who may or may not be pirate organisations. Whilst debate may rage on this topic, the decsion of APEX to so fully align themselves with pirates has taken this to new heights. I disagree with many of the ways in which the Caldari State conducts it's affairs, but organisations such as CAIN are simply supporting their legitimate government in the same way I support mine. APEX has crossed the legitimacy line and are no more than another pirate organisation attempting to prey on citizens of another state. How long before APEX starts killing Caldari citizens as they sink deeper into the mindset of the pirates they have taken up with?
A dark day indeed for those who support law and order as another organisation falls into the camp of chaos and disorder. My condolences and solidarity to those in the Caldari State who, despite our differences, have never sanctioned outright piracy.
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.27 16:46:00 -
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If I might but interrupt the rather lop sided debate that is going on here for but a moment to add a few relevant comments.
Some have stated before that The Cyrene Initiative withdrew from its war upon the APEX Conglomerate out of fear. I am here to tell you that is partially correct, however not in the sense that fear is conventionally referred to in these channels.
What the pilots of Cyrene fear is the moral toll that victory in a war such as this could exact.
In the past weeks of this war we have seen many back room deals struck by our enemy and as such Cyrene faced a choice, compromise our ethics in an attempt to achieve our goals or to simply walk away before we gave up an irreplaceable part of our ethos.
With the APEX Conglomerate's recent refusal of brokered peace talks and outright threats during negotiations in the early phases of the war we have decided that the decision is no longer ours to make. We are confronted now by an enemy that readily employs and deals with the enemies of its supposed allies and will sell out its own brethren simply to avoid personal harm. Faced with an enemy who holds no principles sacred we have come to the realization that there is no honor to be gained from these battles.
Make no mistake, this war is no valiant struggle between Caldari and Gallente ideals; it is merely a war of mercenaries and other groups who felt they were welcome on the field of battle.
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Gorion Wassenar
Caldari Tsurokigaarai APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.27 18:58:00 -
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I'm sorry Crau but you've seriously deluded yourself this time. We did not hide the fact that we wanted to end this quickly and without further bloodshed. We waited a whole business week for you to come to the bargining table to bring this to an end and even sent someone to speak to you about ending this in a sensible matter. Your incredibly condicending manner and outright refusal to even consider peace when we sent our representitive convinced us that it would be up to us to end this "justified" war. As we said earlier, we will make sure this will never happen again by any means neccesary. ----- *results may vary*
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.10.27 20:13:00 -
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I see enough chest-thrusting from APEX that I could probably run my ship from Coriault all the way over to Kimotoro on the inertia of their nipples alone. Would that the Cyrene Initiative actually fought a worthwhile enemy. Good luck, CYI. If you need my meagre assistance fighting this meagre enemy, you know I'm always willing to put life on the line for the Federation. In the meantime, happy hunting running these corrupt, pirate-loving bastards out of Federate territory. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details. |
Dangermouse DM
Caldari Black River Industries APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.28 04:41:00 -
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As someone who is a bit of a night-raven I have been on and undocked every single time your fleets have come to our space, while I have lost a few ships I have given as good as I got. The same cannot be said for when I have sortied into Gallente space they all dock at the first sign of trouble. I would rather this war was fought with a little more honour and honesty.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente Phoenix Wing Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.10.28 11:41:00 -
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*Thuul'Khalat chuckles*
I must say, the amount of posturing from a group that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag, even if given a chainsaw, is absolute hilarity.
Keep up the comedy boys! ---
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.10.29 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat even if given a chainsaw
Thuul, have I ever mentioned that I love you? ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details. |
DarkNicodimus
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.29 23:42:00 -
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Dangermouse i suggest you lay off the boosters for awhile.The words Honour and Honesty coming from a corp that hides behind pirates is amusing at best. Your forays into Gallente space are few and far between and only happen when you team up with Stimulus.
1 or 2 Apex pirates sitting with 8 stimulus hardly shows you as being a strong force. Your 13 kills to your 21 losses at our hands more then shows that.Especially when a few of those last kills came with a gang consisting of mostly stimulus.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: DarkNicodimus 1 or 2 Apex pirates sitting with 8 stimulus hardly shows you as being a strong force. Your 13 kills to your 21 losses at our hands more then shows that.Especially when a few of those last kills came with a gang consisting of mostly stimulus.
The strength of a fleet it not defined by it's sheer numbers. Anyone can win if they outnumber the enemy 8 to 2. The fact that those two pilots do not dock and hide while being outnumbered however does say something about courage and determination, two values I see as the characteristics of a winner. __________
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.10.30 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath courage and determination, two values I see as the characteristics of a winner.
The Amarrians at Vak'Atioth were no doubt very courageous and determined. They still got annihilated. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.10.30 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath
Originally by: DarkNicodimus 1 or 2 Apex pirates sitting with 8 stimulus hardly shows you as being a strong force. Your 13 kills to your 21 losses at our hands more then shows that.Especially when a few of those last kills came with a gang consisting of mostly stimulus.
The strength of a fleet it not defined by it's sheer numbers. Anyone can win if they outnumber the enemy 8 to 2. The fact that those two pilots do not dock and hide while being outnumbered however does say something about courage and determination, two values I see as the characteristics of a winner.
Eh Dark said 1 or 2 APEX in co operation with 8 pilots of Stimulus. So unless you turn on your allies also now (which i have little doubt you will at one point or the other), you were a strength of 10 ships. Not 2 APEX pilots against 8.
The rest of your argument falls apart, due to that misconception.
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Myrhial Arkenath
Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.30 12:16:00 -
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Must have been tired when I wrote that. I'll take my arguments back, but not my opinion that everyone can win through sheer numbers. __________
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.10.30 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Myrhial Arkenath Must have been tired when I wrote that. I'll take my arguments back, but not my opinion that everyone can win through sheer numbers.
Again. Vak'Atioth. Amarr must have fielded double to triple the numbers that the Jovians had, but they got utterly wiped out. Except for the ones who fled. Who were then executed for cowardice. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details. |
Aria Jenneth
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.30 14:22:00 -
[49]
The Jovians had an overwhelming technical advantage, Mr. Ixiris. I really hope you're not going to claim that Gallente technology is so far ahead of the Caldari as all that?
In fact, as Caldari technology is widely regarded the most advanced outside of Jovian space, wouldn't we be precisely the wrong people to use that metaphor on?
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.10.30 14:37:00 -
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The Caldari claim to have the most superior technology outside of Jovian space, while not disprovable, is highly debateable. I fly a Typhoon, a Minmatar ship. The Raven is widely lauded as the best ship for flying missions but, with the performance I've seen from this Typhoon, especially that when I squeeze it for the last 5%, sufficed to say that I can put that legend to rest. With just a little more effort I can make Gallente ships perform just as well - namely, outperforming Caldari technology. High up in my wish list is a Fleet-issue Typhoon, which I am absolutely certain would leave nothing but an endless stream of pirate pain and sorrow in its wake.
Anyway, while this conversation certainly merits more exploration (perhaps you'd like to EVE-mail me so we can debate this further?), I see it as slightly tangiental to the original subject of the conversation, and, in fact, you have actually helped me prove my original point - that numbers alone do not win a battle. ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details. |
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Aria Jenneth
Caldari Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.30 21:01:00 -
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One may use relatively simple systems to impressive effect, Mr. Ixiris. Matari ships embody this principle.
I don't care to hold with either you or Ms. Arkenath on this: her point is largely true, as yours is largely true, despite these points being, on the face of it, opposed. Each is essentially a maxim, and maxims are, by their nature, generalizations.
You're both right. Eighty ships against twenty will win in most scenarios. Twenty ships can nevertheless win against eighty. Any student of elementary tactics could say as much. Can we please move on?
My issue is not with your point; it is with your choice of metaphor. Any comparison of an inter-Empire or inter-Capsuleer struggle to that between the Amarr and the Jovians is like comparing a battle between two unarmed, unquipped (or perhaps just more-or-less equally trained and equipped) humans to a fight between a conventional Pithi Arrogator and a capsuleer in a well-outfitted assault frigate.
This is hardly coincidental. The capsule itself is a piece of Jovian technology.
The only purpose to be served by comparing any fight among experienced members of our kind to what we laughingly call the Amarr-Jovian "conflict" is purest propaganda. I'd consider it a favor if you'd refrain from using the metaphor in future, as the only point it makes is that you feel the need to reach for appalling levels of hyperbole to support your viewpoint ...
... a viewpoint, in this case, so obvious that it hardly needed stating.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.10.30 22:29:00 -
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Well everyone has their flaws. I guess one of mine is bringing up famous Amarrian military defeats, but I guess I could lay off Vak'Atioth for a while.
... there are, after all, so many to choose from... ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details. |
Nathaniel Hull
Caldari 808 Enterprises The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.11.01 07:30:00 -
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Go get em Apex.
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Andre Ricard
Gallente Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.01 08:01:00 -
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Hmm.
If I wasn't so busy doing my small part to attempt to prevent The Fall Of All That Is GoodÖ, it might be time for me to finally come home.
As it is... best of luck, Cyrene. -----
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Admiral Derooy
Caldari The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.11.01 10:38:00 -
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*sigh*
I wonder why people keep distorting the picture that badly....
CYI staged a campain against APEX, based upon CYI's forged documents...
Now ya lads recoil as ya notice ya gonna get stung for poking around in a wasps nest.
__________________________________________________ In the fight for survival there are no bystanders. Those who don't fight with you, are the enemy who need to be crushed!
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DarkNicodimus
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.11.01 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: DarkNicodimus on 01/11/2007 17:59:27 *sigh*
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I wonder why people keep distorting the picture that badly....
CYI staged a campain against APEX, based upon CYI's forged documents...
Now ya lads recoil as ya notice ya gonna get stung for poking around in a wasps nest.
I dont notice anyone recoiling. Keep piling on the pirate war decs, were not going anywere. We will continue to let our killboards due the real talking ---
--- It was a sad day for Anti-Pirates when the skill book "Advanced Docking" was introduced |
Konsaki Dagna
Caldari APEX Unlimited APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: DarkNicodimus Edited by: DarkNicodimus on 01/11/2007 17:59:27 *sigh*
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I wonder why people keep distorting the picture that badly.... CYI staged a campain against APEX, based upon CYI's forged documents... Now ya lads recoil as ya notice ya gonna get stung for poking around in a wasps nest.
I dont notice anyone recoiling. Keep piling on the pirate war decs, were not going anywere. We will continue to let our killboards due the real talking
/me listens to the CYI killboard
'Quit imputing the information wrong... Everyone that is against CYI isnt a part of the APEX Swarm... Quit fixing my numbers to make yourselves look good, cause you're only lying to yourselves...'
Yeah, it does have alot to say, Nic.
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Aeaus
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.11.01 18:30:00 -
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Originally by: DarkNicodimus Edited by: DarkNicodimus on 01/11/2007 17:59:27 *sigh*
I dont notice anyone recoiling. Keep piling on the pirate war decs, were not going anywere. We will continue to let our killboards due the real talking
I am usually not one to reply to baseless comments, but are you the only one missing in the irony that Atrocitas, who CYI is constantly fly with, send a war declaration our way in response to our plans to attack Cyrene? I believe the retort used was that they were pirates but not outlaws...
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Vandamsel
Gallente Dark Star LTD Atrocitas
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Posted - 2007.11.01 19:17:00 -
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2007.11.01 19:08 APEX Conglomerate has declared war on Atrocitas. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Thanks for more targets APEX, see you in space.
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Rhensom
Gallente Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.11.03 04:13:00 -
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Originally by: Vandamsel
2007.11.01 19:08 APEX Conglomerate has declared war on Atrocitas. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Thanks for more targets APEX, see you in space.
It's truly on now. Like Donkey Kong.
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