Pages: [1] :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 16:46:00 -
[1]
Hey guys. I'm working on getting some real solo pvp experience, but I have a bit of a dilemma.
I know that a Stabber, or any cruiser for that matter, will be better than an AF, if its got t2 guns and you're comparing equal skills.
My dilemma is this: I have t2 guns on my jaguar, and all t2 fits. The setup is as follows:
3x 150mm II w/ hail 1x 'arbalest' rocket
Medium f-s9 shield extender Warp/scram/web, all t2
2x nanos, 1x overdrive injector 2/gyro 2 (not sure what to use)
My stabber setup would be nearly all t2 except guns, which I have 14 days left on. *sob*
I'm looking to head into 0.0 for a bit to try my hand at getting some solo targets, and maybe making a couple mil ISK from the BSes that spawn while I wait. I'm not concerned about not being able to kill the rats, that isn't an issue. What concerns me is that I won't be able to kill players with my Jaguar, since no matter what I do, I can't get my falloff to be outside of web range, at least not without much better skills.
Would a Stabber be better in this case, even though the damage from t1 ACs suck horribly? Or should I stick with the Jaguar, for added mobility and t2 guns?
|
Koruptdeath
Caldari
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 17:16:00 -
[2]
Well first of all, don't use Hail if you're trying to get outside web range. Barrage S has a +50% falloff bonus while Hail has a -50% bonus. ====
Fate is the destruction of Freedom. |
Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 17:36:00 -
[3]
Indeed but even with barrage I'm nowhere close, so thats why I am using Hail.
|
Koruptdeath
Caldari
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 17:39:00 -
[4]
Well to continue on, a Stabber with T2 guns can hit 2.7 optimal and 15km falloff with 220mm Vulcan IIs. ====
Fate is the destruction of Freedom. |
Vodun
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 17:39:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Vodun on 21/10/2007 17:39:31
I'd work on my skills and fly a t2 fitted stabber.
Assault frigs just don't stand up well. ---
|
Nomakai Delateriel
Amarr Delictum 23216
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 17:47:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Mr Bodacious Indeed but even with barrage I'm nowhere close, so thats why I am using Hail.
If you're not outside webber range, don't fly a speed fit on an assault frigate, it simply won't work. On the other hand a jaguar has a bonus to optimal range, so maybe you should try to fit artillery? T2 Artys can't be that far away. ______________________________________________ -You can never earn my respect, only lose it. It's given freely, and only grudgingly retracted when necessary. |
dor amwar
Foundation R0ADKILL
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 18:42:00 -
[7]
Edited by: dor amwar on 21/10/2007 18:42:42 never felt right putting all that t2, guns and all, on a t1 cruiser. small tank and if at speed no hits. imho if your going with med t2 guns than use a bc. if you do an arty af then go with a wolf. is a brick but with that range in a small to med gang you'd be surprised at what dmg you do. i was out solo for a while in a cane and did alright, and you can even take out small bs spawns in 0.0 with t1.
|
Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 20:34:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Mr Bodacious Indeed but even with barrage I'm nowhere close, so thats why I am using Hail.
If you're not outside webber range, don't fly a speed fit on an assault frigate, it simply won't work. On the other hand a jaguar has a bonus to optimal range, so maybe you should try to fit artillery? T2 Artys can't be that far away.
Bingo.
Fit Artillery on a Jag, then you will kill stabbers or at least force them to flee. ACs on a Jag kills little kitties mkay?
|
Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 21:18:00 -
[9]
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Bingo.
Fit Artillery on a Jag, then you will kill stabbers or at least force them to flee. ACs on a Jag kills little kitties mkay?
That might work if stabbers weren't nearly twice as fast as jaguars while doing more damage and having more HPs. -
|
Excesse
Infinitus Odium The Church.
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 21:36:00 -
[10]
I beat a shield extended T2 fitted 220mm stabber in a duel using a shield extended T2 fitted 150mm jaguar once... perhaps the guy sucked, but he wanted the duel and his char was older than mine so *shrug*
cant say ive tried again since though or would recommend the jag over the stabber really
|
|
Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 21:39:00 -
[11]
Edited by: Phelan Lore on 21/10/2007 21:40:26
Originally by: Excesse I beat a shield extended T2 fitted 220mm stabber in a duel using a shield extended T2 fitted 150mm jaguar once... perhaps the guy sucked, but he wanted the duel and his char was older than mine so *shrug*
cant say ive tried again since though or would recommend the jag over the stabber really
The stabber will lose if it gets webbed, but that shouldn't happen.
*edit* dual shield extended jag = no web, so the stabber must have been ********. -
|
Dheorl
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 21:50:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Phelan Lore Edited by: Phelan Lore on 21/10/2007 21:40:26
Originally by: Excesse I beat a shield extended T2 fitted 220mm stabber in a duel using a shield extended T2 fitted 150mm jaguar once... perhaps the guy sucked, but he wanted the duel and his char was older than mine so *shrug*
cant say ive tried again since though or would recommend the jag over the stabber really
The stabber will lose if it gets webbed, but that shouldn't happen.
*edit* dual shield extended jag = no web, so the stabber must have been ********.
I think you should re-read that. It doesn't say he used a dual extender setup.
|
Phelan Lore
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
|
Posted - 2007.10.21 21:55:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Dheorl
Originally by: Phelan Lore Edited by: Phelan Lore on 21/10/2007 21:40:26
Originally by: Excesse I beat a shield extended T2 fitted 220mm stabber in a duel using a shield extended T2 fitted 150mm jaguar once... perhaps the guy sucked, but he wanted the duel and his char was older than mine so *shrug*
cant say ive tried again since though or would recommend the jag over the stabber really
The stabber will lose if it gets webbed, but that shouldn't happen.
*edit* dual shield extended jag = no web, so the stabber must have been ********.
I think you should re-read that. It doesn't say he used a dual extender setup.
dual... duel -
|
Rudy Metallo
Brutor tribe
|
Posted - 2007.10.22 02:25:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 22/10/2007 02:25:50
Originally by: Vodun Edited by: Vodun on 21/10/2007 17:39:31
I'd work on my skills and fly a t2 fitted stabber.
Assault frigs just don't stand up well.
This.
P.S. DAMMIT PHELAN I DEMAND MORE MINMATARD. That is all. --
We are the revolutionaries. We are the usurpers of the heavenly throne. We are the enemies of the Gods. |
AntonioBanderas
|
Posted - 2007.10.22 09:23:00 -
[15]
Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 22/10/2007 09:23:58 use arty wolf?
EDIT: and train for t2 AC :)
|
Sidephex
The Black Rabbits Academy The Gurlstas Associates
|
Posted - 2007.10.22 11:13:00 -
[16]
Originally by: dor amwar Edited by: dor amwar on 21/10/2007 18:42:42 never felt right putting all that t2, guns and all, on a t1 cruiser.
matter of taste. i actually wouldnt fly any ship in pvp without T2 guns. depends on your wallet situation though... or if you dont have any hard feelings about being hate by your wallet ;) ___________
|
Mr Bodacious
mUfFiN fAcToRy
|
Posted - 2007.10.22 15:17:00 -
[17]
Originally by: AntonioBanderas Edited by: AntonioBanderas on 22/10/2007 09:23:58 use arty wolf?
EDIT: and train for t2 AC :)
I have t2 small arties and ACs. Read the original post?
|
Cpt Branko
The Bloody Red
|
Posted - 2007.10.22 22:58:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Atius Tirawa
Originally by: Nomakai Delateriel
Originally by: Mr Bodacious Indeed but even with barrage I'm nowhere close, so thats why I am using Hail.
If you're not outside webber range, don't fly a speed fit on an assault frigate, it simply won't work. On the other hand a jaguar has a bonus to optimal range, so maybe you should try to fit artillery? T2 Artys can't be that far away.
Bingo.
Fit Artillery on a Jag, then you will kill stabbers or at least force them to flee. ACs on a Jag kills little kitties mkay?
a) (Almost) Never use Hail S - the misses you will incur periodically and while approaching your optimal due to the falloff/range and tracking nerf (and the Jag not having a tracking boost) mean that Barrage S will outdamage Hail S very, very often. Paper DPS is moot if you're not hitting 100% of the time.
b) Speedfit, MWD and webrange don't really mix all that well. I'd fit 2x PDU II and 1x gyro II in the lowslots, or 2x PDU II and 1x DC II or mix in some SPRs.
c) Stabbers with T1 autos will die to a competent Jaguar pilot (webrange makes stabbers sad unless you're pirating newbies who don't fit webs). Stabbers are really the cruisers which need T2 autos - they've got tons of survivability, so it's rather cost-efficent to do so. The only cost-inefficent thing about it, in fact, is firing Barrage M at 900 ISK / shot ;P
The thing I'd advise the OP to do is to buy a Rupture if you're going for cruisers. It works just fine within (and outside of, once you get T2 autos) webrange, deals a hell of a lot of damage after you skill it up a bit, and is actually not so terribly sluggish (well, depending on the plate size, i find the 800mm plate Rupture to have decent agility).
Else, grab a Rifter - you can fit it with T2 guns and a mixed named/T2 fitting for less then 2M and have tons of fun with it, and on top of things, it doesn't really hurt the wallet to lose one. In fact, if you want PvP experience, it's probably the best cause of action.
I never did like the arty Jag, tried it a couple of times, and haven't really found it worthwhile. I'd sooner fly a artillery Rifter, at least it can track drones and is way way faster.
|
|
|
|
Pages: [1] :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |