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![Veng3ance Veng3ance](https://images.evetech.net/characters/682863136/portrait?size=64)
Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:02:00 -
[241]
Whoooopie a Goonswarm post.
![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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![violator2k5 violator2k5](https://images.evetech.net/characters/926219728/portrait?size=64)
violator2k5
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:11:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Surreptitious The MC is a glass-half-full kindof place so it might not seem so obvious but morale and the general attitude has never been this low,,even back during the whole Zajo/TC/NSN fiasco.
let it rest, z's moved on and im sure MC has too.....
anyway quick question for you goonies.... you got a date set for when your so called dinner in nol will be yet so we can actually see if you achieve that goal?? ---------------------------- BOB 4 LIFE NOT JUST 4 A DAY ----------------------------
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![shortspecialbus shortspecialbus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1082617494/portrait?size=64)
shortspecialbus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:12:00 -
[243]
Edited by: shortspecialbus on 28/09/2007 05:12:36
Originally by: violator2k5
Originally by: Surreptitious The MC is a glass-half-full kindof place so it might not seem so obvious but morale and the general attitude has never been this low,,even back during the whole Zajo/TC/NSN fiasco.
let it rest, z's moved on and im sure MC has too.....
anyway quick question for you goonies.... you got a date set for when your so called dinner in nol will be yet so we can actually see if you achieve that goal??
You tell us, you control the way we play the game
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![NATMav NATMav](https://images.evetech.net/characters/919210637/portrait?size=64)
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:19:00 -
[244]
Yeah this post helps BoB and MC so much that all the alts are all over it to point that out. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Fred0 Fred0](https://images.evetech.net/characters/511060696/portrait?size=64)
Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:24:00 -
[245]
Good read. Good to see Seleene says what he thinks still. If BOB has any brains left they'll use this as a wakeup call and then the fight is still on.
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![wicked cheese wicked cheese](https://images.evetech.net/characters/666260500/portrait?size=64)
wicked cheese
Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:24:00 -
[246]
did goon's wardec CAOD?
postin in an epic thread ![Neutral](/images/icon_neutral.gif)
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![Nez Perces Nez Perces](https://images.evetech.net/characters/662932335/portrait?size=64)
Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:28:00 -
[247]
Originally by: wicked cheese did goon's wardec CAOD?
Heh.... i think that happened a while ago....it could go either way, CAOD is certainly feeling the heat.. ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Frederick Skinner Frederick Skinner](https://images.evetech.net/characters/416046968/portrait?size=64)
Frederick Skinner
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:46:00 -
[248]
Well now lookie there, some alts seem to be posting lots of silly threads possibly to knock this one out of page one, if you believe in such things. Naaaa, couldn't be.
Filter us out all you want, it still won't change the truth. |
![Razor Jaxx Razor Jaxx](https://images.evetech.net/characters/945883645/portrait?size=64)
Razor Jaxx
Minmatar Cosmic Odyssey
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:47:00 -
[249]
So, let me get this. The mercs have a security leak, and everyone blames the client? Hahahah.
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![Frederick Skinner Frederick Skinner](https://images.evetech.net/characters/416046968/portrait?size=64)
Frederick Skinner
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 05:59:00 -
[250]
Originally by: Razor Jaxx So, let me get this. The mercs have a security leak, and everyone blames the client? Hahahah.
more like Issue #1: MC has a security leak. Issue #2: Inside Issue #1 (maybe there's a smaller issue inside) MC has... problems... with their current client. Those problems are rather interesting.
Filter us out all you want, it still won't change the truth. |
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![Hrin Hrin](https://images.evetech.net/characters/504821879/portrait?size=64)
Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:03:00 -
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mmm, BoB probably doesn't have spies in MC. That would take loyalty, which BoB lacks (see RISE, RMF, etc). I expect BoB found out about MC's utter disdain for them from GF forums since spying on goons takes $10.
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![Kai Zion Kai Zion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/559523545/portrait?size=64)
Kai Zion
Amarr The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:10:00 -
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Interesting read...
Doesn't really surprise me much personally. MC has always looked out for Number 1 in my eyes. If things start to come apart for them and/or their allies, I can't see them not continuing to do so. What that entails exactly isn't really clear though, that's where my own interest lies.
How dependent they are on their territory really remains to be seen. At the end of the day, if (and to me at least, it's not a foregone conclusion) they have to leave their allies and quite possibly then, their territory, it will be a cost/benefit scenario like any other they've performed in the years they've been around. There will be the general "upholding the Mercenary identity" as the thing that must be preserved...possibly even above their territory and longstanding friends.
To me, this is the key point. It's not hard to preserve that identity really, all they need to do is look after number one. That's what being a Merc is about, isn't it? That means ultimately, that no alliance, no friendship and no amount of territory takes precedent over their own self-interest. If any of those things get in the way, they can always fall back on the simple truth that "we are mercs" and they look after number one. If they did any less, then all the stuff people say about them would be true.
So, given all that...what's so surprising really about any of this? That they're not happy with BoB at the moment? Well if you thought prior to reading this thread that there wasn't frustration amongst the various allies on that side of the war, then you were dreaming. I bet there's frustration amongst alliances on all sides of this war at various times. It's an epic slugfest and one big rollercoaster with a lot of people taking it all waaaaay too seriously. Of course there's going to be frustrations when the pressure is on one side or the other. Any side that says things have never been this way with their own is lying.
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![Tevlent Tevlent](https://images.evetech.net/characters/725403146/portrait?size=64)
Tevlent
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Tevlent on 28/09/2007 06:34:52 Edited by: Tevlent on 28/09/2007 06:34:17 Edited by: Tevlent on 28/09/2007 06:34:00
Originally by: Kai Zion Well if you thought prior to reading this thread that there wasn't frustration amongst the various allies on that side of the war, then you were dreaming. I bet there's frustration amongst alliances on all sides of this war at various times. It's an epic slugfest and one big rollercoaster with a lot of people taking it all waaaaay too seriously. Of course there's going to be frustrations when the pressure is on one side or the other. Any side that says things have never been this way with their own is lying.
No frustration in goonswarm. We are all just riding the waves and appreciating all this great forum pron that our great Mittens gives us. Just today we all went back to KZF to celebrate the moment our Daddy Goon was rescued by out 900 man fleet and we sent 400 goons after the dictor who threatened him and ended up chasing him for 7 hours over 14 jumps
Quote: Suddenly local spiked to over 900
Quote: spiked to over 900
Quote: OVER 900
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![Havoc GunStar Havoc GunStar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/938646211/portrait?size=64)
Havoc GunStar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:46:00 -
[254]
Originally by: Silence Duegood Edited by: Silence Duegood on 28/09/2007 04:33:26
Originally by: Sacrosanctus
Originally by: Silence Duegood
Originally by: Sacrosanctus We weren't trying to tarnish MC's 'reputation.' Try again.
Doesn't matter what the point of the thread was originally. What matters is what's happened. Accidental or not, the proof is in comments made by those in this thread.
Ok, let me say it more clearly. We generally don't care about MC's reputation at all, up or down.
The OP doesn't agree with this statement. If you all didn't care then this thread wouldn't exist.
But that doesn't matter. The OP and continuing Goonspam has only helped MC's reputation. Intentional or not, purposeful or not, it's a fact, and reading responses proves it.
It's pretty clear BOB would have spies in MC and know everything posted. In fact, MC probably told BOB directly. This thread didn't hurt MC's rep with BOB, all it's done is improve the general reputation of MC. Which, if it's not obvious, bothers me.
This isn't about MC. This is about the failure that BoB has become, and how completely and utterly boned their pets are.
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![Kai Zion Kai Zion](https://images.evetech.net/characters/559523545/portrait?size=64)
Kai Zion
Amarr The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:53:00 -
[255]
Originally by: Tevlent No frustration in goonswarm.
Ever? Because that was kind of my point. Maybe you're not frustrated today. Maybe today things are good. When the pressure has been on you guys though? There hasn't been frustrated members? No resentment at all towards your allies when things didn't go well?
I don't know myself, but does Goon leadership even speak this frankly to their members about these sorts of things? Meaning if there was that resentment and frustration, would the general memberbase even be as aware of it as MC's?
So yeah, no disprect, I just find it hard to believe that Goons, or for that matter anyone really, hasn't been in these situations. So that's why I say that leaping on MC member's frustration as if it's somehow either unique or surprising is a bit odd. Every entity has it's moments. Doesn't change anything about them, if anything it just reinforces what quite a few would have already been confident of. Doesn't provide much groundbreaking information to me to see them frustrated with BoB and speaking primarily about their own self-interest and their own identity.
I would have been far more surprised to see them clamping down on members voicing their concerns out of MC's own self-interest, or for them to be in denial, pretending BoB are gods that can do no wrong.
Sorry for trying to talk sensibly in a CAOD thread anyways...![YARRRR!!](/images/icon_pirate.gif)
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![Evil Thug Evil Thug](https://images.evetech.net/characters/420211548/portrait?size=64)
Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:53:00 -
[256]
What is very funny. That bob skill (even with SNRA + FNFLT newbs) is much more greater than skill of MC ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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![Ilmonstre Ilmonstre](https://images.evetech.net/characters/633723932/portrait?size=64)
Ilmonstre
NEXUS CLOUD
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Posted - 2007.09.28 06:59:00 -
[257]
Originally by: Evil Thug What is very funny. That bob skill (even with SNRA + FNFLT newbs) is much more greater than skill of MC ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
just had to quote this since it made me laugh
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![Muadeeb Ousil Muadeeb Ousil](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1265351072/portrait?size=64)
Muadeeb Ousil
Minmatar Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:10:00 -
[258]
The most telling Point...
Not one BoB main has made an appearance in this post.
Says it all.
The Bob Guys i have spoken to seem to think that MC are all PR and no substance, its all about the image. Before BOB retreated from down south i was told how there were internal gripes within BoB about how MC wernt getting their hands dirty doing the Sheety work of fighting Goons/RA, and they were not contributing as even partners to the workload.
Instead they were taking all the positive PR fighting weaker high profile enemys (at the time up north) while at the same time BoB were getting a complete forum bashing as being idiots from the general gaming community. There were quite a few ****ed off Bobbetes by all accounts.
Thats why i found it so ammusing when BoB had to run to join MC in Catch(now confirmed as MC's plan), this was BoB effectively saying they could not control MC and now that it is going **** up MC is blaming BoB for the Plan not working as expected. Im sure there are many choice words going through the BoB playerbase at the moment. I wonder if they will be able to keep a lid on them. It truely does look like MC is taking control as the brains while BoB tags along as the Brawn. Sad times BoB.
Seriously some real screwed up expectations from that partnership these days.
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![ollobrains ollobrains](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1245609458/portrait?size=64)
ollobrains
Mission Invasion Squad
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:12:00 -
[259]
mc bob need to tell FIX to recruit, expand the baseline. Survival otherwise wont work Group mission invasions |
![Lazuran Lazuran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/149752564/portrait?size=64)
Lazuran
Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:14:00 -
[260]
... waiting for the new BoBMC alliance.
isn't it funny how some people advocate both GTC<=>ISK trades and EVE being superior due to its cruelty and costly losses, when they use the former to circumvent the latter?
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![Arl Arl](https://images.evetech.net/characters/468812967/portrait?size=64)
Arl
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:17:00 -
[261]
Originally by: violator2k5
anyway quick question for you goonies.... you got a date set for when your so called dinner in nol will be yet so we can actually see if you achieve that goal??
My money is the 5th of August 2014.
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![Cadela Fria Cadela Fria](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1664303121/portrait?size=64)
Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:20:00 -
[262]
Originally by: ollobrains mc bob need to tell FIX to recruit, expand the baseline. Survival otherwise wont work
I'm pretty sure FIX can figure out on their own what they need to do. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
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![Shihuangdi Shihuangdi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1579154328/portrait?size=64)
Shihuangdi
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:27:00 -
[263]
I think most of the guys on the frontlines fighting BoB have long realised that quality-wise the average BoB player is no way on par with the likes of MC or AAA. BoB was pretty hard to fight when they used to fly faction-fitted stuff, but since they lost most of those ships in the fires of XGH and 9-9 they don't really seem that tough, especially in sub-capital fights.
But it's not just on a pilot level. I don't really "get" all the acclaim their FCs get, when they do stupid stuff on fleets all the time. I thought that was a Goonswarm gimmick.
Of course, I'm just speaking from grunt level. I'm still mostly flying T1 ships. Don't have much problems getting on BoB killmails, though.
The interesting thing about it is, it seems MC has realised that too and has reached a stage where they are griping about it.
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![Platinum Sapphire Platinum Sapphire](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1331519206/portrait?size=64)
Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:30:00 -
[264]
Originally by: violator2k5anyway quick question for you goonies.... you got a date set for when your so called dinner in nol will be yet so we can actually see if you achieve that goal??[/quote
How about we set our date as the same one you guys set for your dinner in RA PRime after you "finish destroying GoonSwarm and Red Alliance"??
Also as an aside, I am taking bets as to whether RedSwarmFederation gets to Delve before MC/BoB and their pets (lol RISE, RMF!! ) get to Scalding Pass.
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![Sir Bart Sir Bart](https://images.evetech.net/characters/496104507/portrait?size=64)
Sir Bart
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:34:00 -
[265]
Jeez, is all the bold print really necessary? I don't think it did anything other than irritate your audience (of gossipy computer geeks).
-Bart
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![ShaniquaBaby ShaniquaBaby](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1261026038/portrait?size=64)
ShaniquaBaby
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:38:00 -
[266]
I really hope some of u guys that aren't involved in this war are reading these goon posts and taking note. BoB and MC may not be perfect, but like us or not we are fighting to SAVE EVE from these immature goofs. If goons win I promise you EVE will be ruined, and u'll all regret it. I'll say it again: goons are LESSER PEOPLE, they are adults without full brain function. Sure they act like kiddies, but coming from someone who's seen goons i can tell u they certainly arent. they're just stupid people, but there are alot of them and they want to RUIN THIS GAME.
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![Gallente Caliente Gallente Caliente](https://images.evetech.net/characters/897884970/portrait?size=64)
Gallente Caliente
Anti-BoB Flash Mob
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:40:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Lazuran ... waiting for the new BoBMC alliance.
I'm calling it now, it'll be called Band of Coalition. ----------------------------------------------- www.nobob.info |
![Platinum Sapphire Platinum Sapphire](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1331519206/portrait?size=64)
Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:41:00 -
[268]
Originally by: ShaniquaBaby I really hope some of u guys that aren't involved in this war are reading these goon posts and taking note. BoB and MC may not be perfect, but like us or not we are fighting to SAVE EVE from these immature goofs. If goons win I promise you EVE will be ruined, and u'll all regret it. I'll say it again: goons are LESSER PEOPLE, they are adults without full brain function. Sure they act like kiddies, but coming from someone who's seen goons i can tell u they certainly arent. they're just stupid people, but there are alot of them and they want to RUIN THIS GAME.
Corp Ticker? Alliance Ticker?
Un-named (probably BoB) alt, trying to deflect/spin thread? CHECK
Beware of the scissors.........
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![Platinum Sapphire Platinum Sapphire](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1331519206/portrait?size=64)
Platinum Sapphire
Minmatar Epsilon Financial Bureau GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:42:00 -
[269]
Edited by: Platinum Sapphire on 28/09/2007 07:43:50
Originally by: Gallente Caliente
Originally by: Lazuran ... waiting for the new BoBMC alliance.
I'm calling it now, it'll be called Band of Coalition.
Band of Mercenaries?? Mercenary Brothers??
Nah... I don't think even Seleene would want to dilute MC's strength by taking on pilots from such an obviously usless alliance (lol, BoB)
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![Orangir Orangir](https://images.evetech.net/characters/895457073/portrait?size=64)
Orangir
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.09.28 07:44:00 -
[270]
Originally by: Cadela Fria I'm pretty sure FIX can figure out on their own what they need to do. ![Wink](/images/icon_wink.gif)
That's odd, considering that a bunch of posts from your internal forums indicate that you consider FIX a worthless liability.
Much like BoB.
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