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Spineker
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:29:00 -
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There was never 120 mission runners in Motsu ever. I ran out of there for over a year. |
Mioelnir
Cataclysm Enterprises Ev0ke
47
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:32:00 -
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Spineker wrote:There was never 120 mission runners in Motsu ever. I ran out of there for over a year.
Half of Motsu was faction pilots and ninjas. Ok, so your point is that Motsu was a bad example, or that there are less than 120 mission runners active in the entire highsec at any one time? |
ShipToaster
103
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:41:00 -
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Mioelnir wrote:I skipped through the postings, but the following already annoyed me when it was ingame news ( sorry if it was already brought up):
621 billion per week. That's 88.7b per day or 3.7b per hour. At a modest 30m ISK / hour that is the equivalent of around 120 Level 4 mission runners IN THE ENTIRE CLUSTER. Motsu alone has more traffic on a good day, and had for years. How can that be breaking anything?
The 621 billion a week is not really a good estimate.
I gave a conservative estimate of 3000 billion a week on page 4 but even that is probably low.
The only contact I want to have with eve university is if I can have them all ****** to death by space robo donkeys.
Griefing CCP - Bounties for E-Uni Ganking: action continues. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=343354#post343354 |
Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
46
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Posted - 2012.01.19 04:52:00 -
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Nerfing drake=good
Fixing vans=good
Whats the whine all about? |
Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1110
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Posted - 2012.01.19 05:28:00 -
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Want to cut down on isk farming in incursions?
Bring back the first hardcore Incursion implimentations that were promised.
Complete with NPC bubbles and Z0mg I need a 200 man fleet with caps to stay alive for longer than 10 seconds scenarios. |
Krissada
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
68
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:40:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS kRISANDRA IS TRICKING PEOPLE INTO ASSAULT & MOM FLEETS THEN GREIFING THEM BY SPREADING BLACKBIRDS & WARPING OUT OF SITE jOIN kRISSANDRAS FLEET & DIE AT YOUR OWN RISK i GUESS
Oy you bastard. We have never suicided a mom fleet with our own folks in it. How the hell did you think we even took down the first one in the first place? We suicided our fleet into it and then it magically disappeared? Get a bit of logic into that caps-lock cruise controlled mind of yours.
I will bath in your tears this friday when we kill all your beloved incursions. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:44:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Xpaulusx wrote:Nerf Tech Moons....now that would produce a tital wave of tears on the forums, although they should be evenly distrubuted threw out null i believe. Not nerfed. My understanding is that nerfing the demand for technetium (ideally by altering the production requirements of some T2 items so less producers needed it) would transfer the bottleneck down to the next most valuable material, making Neodymium the new supermoon. Neo moons are much more equally distributed through space than Tech is.
well IMHO start having MOON goo get pooped out of drones like minerals are well then... there's a even better non passive form of having the non Isk fountain being distributed :) |
Alicia Fermi
EVE University Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:53:00 -
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People should remember that the time a player spends trying to get incursion rewards is time that they are not collecting mission and/or rat bounties. So the ISK input into the economy needs to be seen relative to what people would otherwise be doing. Incursion winners inject ISK but all ratters and mission runners who are now running incursions are no longer injecting ISK that way. Frankly, that analysis is nigh-on impossible without having CCP's access to the data.
It would also be interesting to see if increased ISK from incursions has any correlation with the amount of ISK risked in PVP. Again, you would need to be in CCP's position to do the analysis.
Nevertheless, an honest appraisal is a little more complicated than a back of the envelope calculation. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.19 08:54:00 -
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Krissada wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
WHAT'S REALLY HAPPENING IS kRISANDRA IS TRICKING PEOPLE INTO ASSAULT & MOM FLEETS THEN GREIFING THEM BY SPREADING BLACKBIRDS & WARPING OUT OF SITE jOIN kRISSANDRAS FLEET & DIE AT YOUR OWN RISK i GUESS
Oy you bastard. We have never suicided a mom fleet with our own folks in it. How the hell did you think we even took down the first one in the first place? We suicided our fleet into it and then it magically disappeared? Get a bit of logic into that caps-lock cruise controlled mind of yours. I will bath in your tears this friday when we kill all your beloved incursions.
lol I see you advertising fake MOMs all the time in local then turning around making them assult fleets & stranding/griefing them... LIES you telllllll lies & anyone that follows your foolishness will soon learn your ways lead to ship death lol. Go ahead join the fleets of the doomed I guess if you want to ! You only prove there is actual RISK in Incursions unlike the BS arguements that they are riskless.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:18:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:[(by the way 100m is way over estimate, those fleets are the shiny pimped up mach nightmare fleets, traditional fleets make approx 60m which is about on par with null ratting) Actually the estimate is a fair average. SF's make 150mil/ph and even higher on a good day. Bolded the important bit. On a good day is over 150 million. In an ISN fleet I've never made less than 150ph
Never huh? Yawn I once caught a fish this >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------< nig the next day it was this >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------< big Yawn lies & liars that telll lies.. here lets hear you reply with another BS statistic you pull outta an arse hat you wear on you're head.. like U average 1.5 billion Isk a week in incursions by doing scouts alone with BOTs lol .. truth is in Incursions the only sites bottable are scouts & thank god they are not worth it yet |
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Aineko Macx
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
105
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:28:00 -
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Cutting Incursion profitability in half seems about right. |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:32:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:so what you are saying is your alliance in a good month can spend 60bil on ship replacement programme for your alliance qualified setup Maelstroms... Just how few ships do you really think we lose every month during war? xxanjoahir wrote:what is so much more dangerous about that compared to someone who is running high sec VG incursions? I will lose those ships + pods every month. It's not even a risk, it's a certainty. xxanjoahir wrote:I tell you for a start that the 2.5bil for the pimped up mach is my own isk so if i loose it im going to have to start again... my isk will run out one day.... Uh huh. I'm sure you 1) MUST have that "pimped up mach", 2) will lose that every month, 3) certainly won't be making a profit. xxanjoahir wrote:i dont see moons dissappearing anytime soon. Do you have any idea what kind of costs there is associated with running an alliance in nullsec? Do you have any idea how much of the moon-derived isk is fed directly to the common goon?
You are backward so to you there is no danger becuase its an expectation that you loose ships. Thats your game.
This is my game. High sec becuase i am sick of alliance like Goonswarm having so much influence in the overall running of the game. I also have wife and kids and also a job to go to for 12 hours a day. I want to be able to sign in and have fun and not spend all my game play grinding so that i can actually achieve my end game which is to pvp.
I do have a pimped out mach that i use in my corp ops, but in general these a few hours a week considering we as a corp are all in the same boat.
Just like you i am loosing ships and i loose a lot more than you becuase we are a small corp constantly being reminded that to survive in this game you need numbers.
I am sure you are making a profit from your tanked ishtar at what 150m setuup with sentries?
jeeze i spend up to 3 bill of my own isk to make a way of being able to enjoy my end game a lot quicker and you spend a measly 150m on an ishtar and farm sanctums for just short of 70m a hour on a good day. may be close to 100m if you arent lazy and salvage wrecks and loot.
I can see right through you goons, the little goonies are getting worried that our high sec incursion communities are gonna come down to deklien and cause them trouble when all they want to do is rat in peace. You've obviously put the whole spin of time = reward saga on it but at the end of the day your only concerns are not for the good of the game [Its been publicly announced that your intentions are to screw the game up from within) but becuase you think one day the Blitzzer squads are gonna come down and make your home a bomb site.
The fact is i may loose my shiny i may not but the risk is there and if i do its going to be one big lose for me.
GEEEEEE That kinda like you goons spending 10 minutes to flush out poses and jump from one end of the universe to the other in a jf in a matter of seconds..... The shinys fleets have done no different to you morans invested isk to make it possible to create more isk quicker thats human nature you tit. |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
149
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:38:00 -
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Endeavour Starfleet wrote:Even the title in the news is meant to convey the BS about incursions being too rewarding.
I was suspicious of this line at first. Several CSM members saying they wanted limited changes. Yet with this news post and the joining of hands to implement the drake nerf I am pretty sure in my opinion that we have ourselves a nice little push to nerf hisec.
WTB:
Tech II Tinfoil BPO, high ME/PE. Will pay top ISKies, convo or mail me in-game! NO to Drake and Tier 2 Battlecruiser nerfs. NO to Alliances in Faction Warfare NO to "wormhole mass-stabilisers." **** NO to the cancers that are sov-nullsec Alliances metastasising throughout EVE! |
Waveism
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
22
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:39:00 -
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DEATH TO INCURSIONS |
zzlep Alduin
EvE Cookie Collective
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:41:00 -
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Quote:
The fact is i may loose my shiny i may not but the risk is there and if i do its going to be one big lose for me.
GEEEEEE That kinda like you goons spending 10 minutes to flush out poses and jump from one end of the universe to the other in a jf in a matter of seconds..... The shinys fleets have done no different to you morans invested isk to make it possible to create more isk quicker thats human nature you tit.
I think this is a good point.
What is the difference between the people who have invested in a Shiny incursion fleet to make the time they spend in incursions as profitable as possible, to those people who run poses and have bought JF's........
Jf's need their Cargo hold cutting in half... |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
1042
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:45:00 -
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Creative gameplay: supported
Baseless ranting OPs: not supported
Incursion nerfs: supported (a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:48:00 -
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xxanjoahir wrote:This is my game. High sec becuase i am sick of alliance like Goonswarm having so much influence in the overall running of the game. I presume you're in one of the alliances we've thrown out of nullsec because you're awful, then.
xxanjoahir wrote:Just like you i am loosing ships and i loose a lot more than you becuase we are a small corp constantly being reminded that to survive in this game you need numbers. You lose more than me because you're being dumb and using an overly expensive ship, thus painting a huge "GANK ME I'M DUMB" target on your back.
xxanjoahir wrote:I am sure you are making a profit from your tanked ishtar at what 150m setuup with sentries? I don't own an ishtar
xxanjoahir wrote:jeeze i spend up to 3 bill of my own isk to make a way of being able to enjoy my end game a lot quicker and you spend a measly 150m on an ishtar and farm sanctums for just short of 70m a hour on a good day. may be close to 100m if you arent lazy and salvage wrecks and loot. I don't rat, I don't mine, I don't run anoms, because I find those activities mindboggingly boring. I do trading in jita and manufacturing in hisec instead.
xxanjoahir wrote:I can see right through you goons, the little goonies are getting worried that our high sec incursion communities are gonna come down to deklien and cause them trouble when all they want to do is rat in peace. You've obviously put the whole spin of time = reward saga on it but at the end of the day your only concerns are not for the good of the game [Its been publicly announced that your intentions are to screw the game up from within) but becuase you think one day the Blitzzer squads are gonna come down and make your home a bomb site.
The fact is i may loose my shiny i may not but the risk is there and if i do its going to be one big lose for me.
GEEEEEE That kinda like you goons spending 10 minutes to flush out poses and jump from one end of the universe to the other in a jf in a matter of seconds..... The shinys fleets have done no different to you morans invested isk to make it possible to create more isk quicker thats human nature you tit. This bit I have no idea what the christ you're on about, it's a mess of random rabble.
If you really think we're worried about some hisec incursion communities "coming down to deklein and cause trouble", then all I can say is: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahah. Bring it, I'm sure we'll find you guys extremely crunchy.
Yes, you "may" lose (not loose, lose. sigh.) your ship. The only place that's "safe" is in a station, you undock what you can afford to lose. You being a dumbass and flying around with a 3b ship is on you. You don't need a 3b ship to play, you don't need to paint such a huge target on your back, yet you choose to do so.
And I'm not even going to bother trying to parse the last paragraph. Stop mashing your head against the keyboard, you might end up being more intelligible. |
zzlep Alduin
EvE Cookie Collective
0
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:48:00 -
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Lady Spank wrote:Creative gameplay: supported
Baseless ranting OPs: not supported
Incursion nerfs: supported
Perhaps a:
Incursion randomous: supported
instead of
Quote:Incursion nerfs: supported
would be a better way forward. |
Lord Zim
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
529
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Posted - 2012.01.19 09:53:00 -
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I thought they were tweaking the setup of the various incursion sites more than anything else, to encourage the other sites to be run as well, not just vanguards or whatever incursion site is the defacto site to run now. |
xxanjoahir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
11
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:12:00 -
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Swings and round abouts from a goon...
Quote:You lose more than me because you're being dumb and using an overly expensive ship, thus painting a huge "GANK ME I'M DUMB" target on your back.
Who said i was using overly expensive ships? Did i actually say what ship i use?
I actually played the game with you as part of your alliance and got truely bored very quickly...
Your sheer ignorance and desire to break the game, and desire to exploit every breakable mechanic made it so easy for me to move on.
Quote:Yes, you "may" lose (not loose, lose. sigh.) your ship. The only place that's "safe" is in a station, you undock what you can afford to lose. You being a dumbass and flying around with a 3b ship is on you. You don't need a 3b ship to play, you don't need to paint such a huge target on your back, yet you choose to do so.
I will ignore the bolded bit since I am not great at spelling but do not, dear, let that distract you.
Quote:You don't need a 3b ship to play, you don't need to paint such a huge target on your back, yet you choose to do so.
Since the 100m ph+ fleets are what EVERYONE is kicking a fuss up about then we do....
But meh - you've not invested in a JF right?
Quote:I don't rat, I don't mine, I don't run anoms, because I find those activities mindboggingly boring. I do trading in jita and manufacturing in hisec instead.
And you're living your so called eco system right there.... |
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Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
491
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:15:00 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:jonnus ursidae wrote:Darius III wasn't he a Goon? Ugh, we do have some standards you know.
This post is layered in so many ways its fun to read several times! - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
491
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Posted - 2012.01.19 10:24:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: Do you have any idea what kind of costs there is associated with running an alliance in nullsec? Do you have any idea how much of the moon-derived isk is fed directly to the common goon?
You don't need to have any alliance costs in dominion terms to operate moons. In any case the rewards of owning (several) moons largely outweighs any costs. Not being a goon I don't know what rewards they get from owning both a large area and running an alliance, but generally, looking at the facts, its not that bad a deal it seems.
I always go for risk versus reward in eve, nothing should be free, free PI was nerfed recently and rightly so, although PI is more of a shadow of what it should have been it is rightly nerfed.
Do incursion need nerfing? Not if it gets people into fleets and out of level IV grinding and into social space. Does ratting in 0.0 present any risk whatsoever most of the time? No, perhaps that income should be halved as well then.
I myself don't do incursions, but I do like the idea of them. They need tweaking so they can't be "blitzed" and need better AI so fleets of capsuleers can be defeated which is hardly the case these days now that they have figured the Sansha battle plans/AI tactics. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
389
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Posted - 2012.01.19 18:48:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:xxanjoahir wrote:[(by the way 100m is way over estimate, those fleets are the shiny pimped up mach nightmare fleets, traditional fleets make approx 60m which is about on par with null ratting) Actually the estimate is a fair average. SF's make 150mil/ph and even higher on a good day. Bolded the important bit. On a good day is over 150 million. In an ISN fleet I've never made less than 150ph Never huh? Yawn I once caught a fish this >-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------< nig the next day it was this >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------< big Yawn lies & liars that telll lies.. here lets hear you reply with another BS statistic you pull outta an arse hat you wear on you're head.. like U average 1.5 billion Isk a week in incursions by doing scouts alone with BOTs lol .. truth is in Incursions the only sites bottable are scouts & thank god they are not worth it yet
Well fine, once every so often we take 20 minutes, grab a drink, have a smoke, get a bite to eat, those hours we really suck and lose about a third of our income. But otherwise this is how my wallet tends to look.
http://i.imgur.com/62Cn9.jpg
Sorry that you run with fleets that suck, or fleets that have down times because they don't have wait lists and can swap in players as soon as the previous one has to leave (rather than spending 20 minutes asking in a channel "HEY GUYZ, NEED 1 DPS/LOGI")
I run as part of an organised network, payouts every 4-5 minutes. 150 mil ph is nothing more than doing 15 sites an hour, if you're not managing that as part of an organised shiny fleet then you're really doing it wrong. |
David Grogan
The Motley Crew Reborn
297
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Posted - 2012.01.19 19:14:00 -
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOO dont nerf incursions............... ccp nerfed 0.0, missions, and mining (by buff suicide gankers)............ if ccp nerf the only other form of pve that is mildy amusing I may as well quit eve cos only the big alliance leaders (via tech moons and rent) & market traders will be making any isk
Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless you are from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs. |
DocKado
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:01:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Well fine, once every so often we take 20 minutes, grab a drink, have a smoke, get a bite to eat, those hours we really suck and lose about a third of our income. But otherwise this is how my wallet tends to look. http://i.imgur.com/62Cn9.jpgSorry that you run with fleets that suck, or fleets that have down times because they don't have wait lists and can swap in players as soon as the previous one has to leave (rather than spending 20 minutes asking in a channel "HEY GUYZ, NEED 1 DPS/LOGI") I run as part of an organised network, payouts every 4-5 minutes. 150 mil ph is nothing more than doing 15 sites an hour, if you're not managing that as part of an organised shiny fleet then you're really doing it wrong.
Your bound to make that much in a pimped up shiny fleets between 1700 and 19:00.
Try making that amount of isk when its peak EU tz... and then try doing them in a traditional fleet.
It does actually say that isk / ph depends very much on the time of day you are running them and for me peak times are between 19:30 right throught to at least 22:00..... |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
389
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:24:00 -
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DocKado wrote:
Your bound to make that much in a pimped up shiny fleets between 1700 and 19:00.
Try making that amount of isk when its peak EU tz... and then try doing them in a traditional fleet.
It does actually say that isk / ph depends very much on the time of day you are running them and for me peak times are between 19:30 right throught to at least 22:00.....
Oh I'm very much aware that non SF's make significantly less, that's why I don't feel the answer is to nerf VG payouts, just nerf the capacity to blitz them, and retune NCOs so they can't be wiped out by Legion/Slepnier fleets in mere minutes.
I should also note that the 7th of January was a Saturday, peak hour concept only tends to really kick in during the 5 day working week. |
Umega
Solis Mensa
43
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Posted - 2012.01.19 20:46:00 -
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I personally don't care about the price.. this is merely proof that Incusions do dump too much into the game.
And everyone should be capable of seeing this with their own eyes. Understanding it tho.. heh.
Open market window in Forge. Click PLEX. Check its history and have it set for a year.. about how long Incursions have existed.
Ta-da.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:05:00 -
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David Grogan wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOO dont nerf incursions............... ccp nerfed 0.0, missions, and mining (by buff suicide gankers)............ if ccp nerf the only other form of pve that is mildy amusing I may as well quit eve cos only the big alliance leaders (via tech moons and rent) & market traders will be making any isk
I HOPE CCP IS READING THIS. NERFing Vanguards instead of buffing Assaults/HQ's rewards is going to cuase a loss of subscriptions. |
Kaylyis
Aces wild mining corporation
24
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:09:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:David Grogan wrote:NOOOOOOOOOOOOO dont nerf incursions............... ccp nerfed 0.0, missions, and mining (by buff suicide gankers)............ if ccp nerf the only other form of pve that is mildy amusing I may as well quit eve cos only the big alliance leaders (via tech moons and rent) & market traders will be making any isk
I HOPE CCP IS READING THIS. NERFing Vanguards instead of buffing Assaults/HQ's rewards is going to cuase a loss of subscriptions.
dropping vanguard rewards 25% or upping the risk isn't a bad idea. Bringing the other sites up to the level of reward for risk isn't a bad idea either |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
13
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Posted - 2012.01.19 21:14:00 -
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Umega wrote:I personally don't care about the price.. this is merely proof that Incusions do dump too much into the game.
And everyone should be capable of seeing this with their own eyes. Understanding it tho.. heh.
Open market window in Forge. Click PLEX. Check its history and have it set for a year.. about how long Incursions have existed.
Ta-da.
EDIT: Little hint.. don't just examine the price. Volume moved is a better indicator.. especially when you factor that 2011 was a down year in sub-base for CCP. Moving the median average up by that much with less subs/players in the game means that PLEXs became easier to afford for people.
You are the reasoning would cause any statictician a huge facepalm. Correlation does not prove causality . The bigger correlation anyways if you look at the PLEX price graph is the eff ups in INCARNA that made many bittervets to stop paying for subscriptions & revert to PLEX while shutting down ALT accounts because they didn't like how Eve was being ignored & resources devoted to EMOavatars with fangs |
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