Sreeg sucks.
There are systems in Citadel with 30-50 bot CNR and Tengus at all times. All with random names, ALL in 1 man corps with corp ticker made up of random numbers. All made by a script, all using same bot.

Sreeg SUCKS AT HIS JOB.

Why do you want to link skillpoints to available missions? You do not steal the fun for new players, if old players fly their level 4 missions. But you anger the old and skilled players if you restrict or force them to do something other than they have skilled for.

EAS idea is boneheaded, but that's usual from the geniuses in the CSM.



Hyenas rock in small gang PvP, and are basically the only good tool currently in the game for stopping people from gate crashing. If you idiots in the CSM screw up the very best tackler in the f'n game just to play supercapz warz, I swear to buddy christmas, I will cut you all.

It's called: Make a new ship, stupid. Don't screw up an existing class that works perfectly fine as it is.

Goddamn the CSM is such a pointless game-killing enterprise.

Trebor for Jesus.

Ah yes - the EAF changes. Not a fan of the anti-supercap niche you guys proposed. If you want people to use them, try making them usable and somewhat survivable.

While I cannot speak for everyone on the CSM, those who are in favor of Partial Skill Respecs want it to be limited to a few million SP and/or some small % of your total SP, and, like remaps, be possible once a year or so.

The major uses for this would be to (a) deal with game design changes that render some of your SP unusable, (b) permit faster access to new game features (ie: when PI came out, you could have respec'd into PI skills) and (c) make a significant change of career easier (especially for purchased characters).

While I cannot speak for everyone on the CSM, those who are in favor of Partial Skill Respecs want it to be limited to a few million SP and/or some small % of your total SP, and, like remaps, be possible once a year or so.

The major uses for this would be to (a) deal with game design changes that render some of your SP unusable, (b) permit faster access to new game features (ie: when PI came out, you could have respec'd into PI skills) and (c) make a significant change of career easier (especially for purchased characters).

While I cannot speak for everyone on the CSM, those who are in favor of Partial Skill Respecs want it to be limited to a few million SP and/or some small % of your total SP, and, like remaps, be possible once a year or so.

The major uses for this would be to (a) deal with game design changes that render some of your SP unusable, (b) permit faster access to new game features (ie: when PI came out, you could have respec'd into PI skills) and (c) make a significant change of career easier (especially for purchased characters).

Sounds like very weak reasoning to me.

(a) You can always train for new stuff and that SP will likely be useful again at some point. The whining about useless SP tends to come from people who have changed their focus in gameplay or FOTM chasers. Point being the issue of skill becoming totally useless isn't a real issue and the complaints are about something entirely different. Besides if some skill is truly useless, the solution is to have CCP take a look at the complaints and make it usefull for something.

(b) We play a game where training for commonly used ships takes weeks, months or even years and new players are expected to endure long periods to be even useful in many situations. But when it comes to arguing for respecs, someone having to wait minutes or hours to gain access to the new content is suddenly a big no-no. Absolute garbage.

(c) Those things don't justify a respec. The skill system allows for changes in specialization and achieving basic level of competancy only takes days. For a vet this is nothing and a new player couldn't have invested much in anything, so any damage is minor too. Specialization takes longer, but that should mean serious investment in time. Buying a character certainly doesn't warrant a respec, since you could have just buy a specialized character in the first place. It sounds like character traders just want to buy a SP pool and a respec to basicly have the ability to buy skillpoints and bypass the normal training limitations.

If there are good reasons to add respecs to the game, I'm not aware of any and you certainly didn't present one either. Considering it's unnecessary in the EVE skill system, reduces the value of specialization and caters mainly to FOTM chasers, even limited respecs should not be allowed for any reason.

In EVE, this just means you want to nail me to a cross...

THIS

PLEASE, DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT RESPECS! OR WE WILL LOOSE OUR RESPECT.

As the poster quoted stated - it will actually hurt new players, as vets could always respec to new stauff when its been introduced, while new players will always be behind. Where as i understand current system, when new stuff comes into play, both vets and new players are on equal tooting (more or less)

Have you reported them?

If such a system were to be implemented, there would likely be significant restrictions placed upon it, and would likely come at a steep price.
Plus, a vet respeccing into "new stauff" would be doing so at the expense of "old stauff"--he might not fly an interceptor as well, or be able to fly a capship, or any number of possibilities. Plus, in eve you can only be so good with a given ship and module set...newbies would be able to equal you with time.

Also: consider the bittervet who's tired of capital ships and wants to be able to fly those HACs he passed up years ago. A Respec would help player retention by enabling a fresher experience for them.

If such a system were to be implemented, there would likely be significant restrictions placed upon it, and would likely come at a steep price.
Plus, a vet respeccing into "new stauff" would be doing so at the expense of "old stauff"--he might not fly an interceptor as well, or be able to fly a capship, or any number of possibilities. Plus, in eve you can only be so good with a given ship and module set...newbies would be able to equal you with time.

Also: consider the bittervet who's tired of capital ships and wants to be able to fly those HACs he passed up years ago. A Respec would help player retention by enabling a fresher experience for them.

It would also remove the feeling of having to work for something.

-Liang

No it wouldn't. All he has to do is just sell the titan or supercarrier and go back to enjoying subcaps.

Also, the problem you respec people are ignoring is that those skills were used. Just because the player no longer finds them attractive and sees some other shiney skills he'd rather have can't erase his former use of those skills. And he can still train the new skills just like everyone else.

All your reasoning is is a repackaging of a desire to fotm chase. Do you propose some arbitration board to decide if the veteran player has some pure intent to return to his roots in HACs and is not just fotm chasing? Good luck with that.

And, it does screw over new players. They can no longer be proud and useful flying with interceptor 4 and acceleration control 4 ( or substitute any set of subcap ship skills, assault frig, etc.) because tons of supercarrier pilots butthurt over the nerf can now easily ponce around in interceptor 5 and acceleration control 5 or their equivalents (oh supers got nerfed, but look assault frig buff - i wanna respec . . .).

The game has been doing fine without respecs. More than fine, it makes the goals and choices that much sweeter. It would become a throwaway game if everything were made so easy.

If such a system were to be implemented, there would likely be significant restrictions placed upon it, and would likely come at a steep price.
Plus, a vet respeccing into "new stauff" would be doing so at the expense of "old stauff"--he might not fly an interceptor as well, or be able to fly a capship, or any number of possibilities. Plus, in eve you can only be so good with a given ship and module set...newbies would be able to equal you with time.

Also: consider the bittervet who's tired of capital ships and wants to be able to fly those HACs he passed up years ago. A Respec would help player retention by enabling a fresher experience for them.

Would it? I don't log into "Skill training complete," I log into "internet spaceships, with a side of market pvp." Plus, what accomplishment? Setting a skill and staying subscribed for the duration? "Guys guys--I just mastered throwing money at CCP 5. You can touch me."

Plus, like I said--you would open a door to whatever you spec into by closing others. Plus I don't hear anyone asking to be able to do this at will, so you'd better think long and hard about your future plans.

But hey, maybe all you do is log in to watch that flashing dot.




Edit: Fun fact: the person with all 4s is only a few % worse than a person with all 5s. And one person with all 5s will be beaten 100% of the time by 2 people with all 4s.
If I skilled up primarily for caps I likely skipped a LOT of the skills needed for the specialized subcaps. Therefore, I can't just "Sell and fly HACs" since I have no incentive to do so for months. I'm stuck in this flying coffin and might unsub. Whereas if I could sell and respec I would probably keep playing. FOTY is also probably closer to the timeframe, and possibly a one-off at that.

Would it? I don't log into "Skill training complete," I log into "internet spaceships, with a side of market pvp." Plus, what accomplishment? Setting a skill and staying subscribed for the duration? "Guys guys--I just mastered throwing money at CCP 5. You can touch me."

Plus, like I said--you would open a door to whatever you spec into by closing others. Plus I don't hear anyone asking to be able to do this at will, so you'd better think long and hard about your future plans.

But hey, maybe all you do is log in to watch that flashing dot.




Edit: Fun fact: the person with all 4s is only a few % worse than a person with all 5s. And one person with all 5s will be beaten 100% of the time by 2 people with all 4s.
If I skilled up primarily for caps I likely skipped a LOT of the skills needed for the specialized subcaps. Therefore, I can't just "Sell and fly HACs" since I have no incentive to do so for months. I'm stuck in this flying coffin and might unsub. Whereas if I could sell and respec I would probably keep playing. FOTY is also probably closer to the timeframe, and possibly a one-off at that.