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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:02:00 -
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Retribution Alliance - The Protectors Of Eve
"Eves only dedicated pirate/bounty hunting alliance and unofficial police"
Story. Why we have formed
Through the years the Eve universe has grown quicker than expected. New corporations are created every day, Alliances formed and frontiers surpassed. Each race although still separated regionally, are working together to bring prosperity for all who wishes to taste the fruits of its success. Wars are won and lost. Within our universe they are those who wish to upset this balance, those who think only of their own gain, whatever the cost. They prey the weak and the solo pilot, sometimes for no gain but purely for pleasure. They show no remorse, no mercy in the pleas of the unsuspecting pilots, they scour the low security areas for prey. We know of them as pirates!......
Retribution have formed to become the protectors, the official bounty hunters and police of the Eve universe.
What are we going to do? To ACTIVELY patrol these low security areas, To ACTIVELY seek and destroy this threat in ALL corners of the Eve Empire. To help our friends with safe passage through these areas. To protect the weak and take back control.
We will show them no mercy as they have shown those who they prey upon. The hunters will now become the Hunted
It is time for Retribution!.....
Dont confuse us with..... This is about the WHOLE of eve not just one area or system, and we aim to ACTIVELY seek and destroy not just wait around, with respect this is not the same as all the anti pirate alliances already there. Our aim is to be the official eve bounty hunters and pirate hunters, perhaps even eve police.
Its a bit ambitious? Yes it is, but we believe this is a goal thats possible, without difficult goals you will not reach them. This is an exciting prospect, and when we reach were we want to be, then we can sit back an say its all worth it. We want to be an alliance thats remembered!.
We will not sit in our own system, our missions will be to move around systems seeking targets.
Public Channel : RETRIBUTION ALLIANCE PUBLIC
We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in space, in competition. A man confronts you he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:09:00 -
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I shall be watching developments with interest.
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Per Bastet
Amarr B.O.O.M
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:26:00 -
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I can suggest a Few systems that could use a Police Presence.
Message in via Evemail, and I'll provide Coords.
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Barrick Stormsworn
Minmatar Rho Dynamics Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:50:00 -
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I, too, am curious to see how this develops. How long before the competing interests of the alliances weigh on Retribution?
We are labeled as terrorists and potentially as pirates by the Amarr slavers from whom we free our brethren, and we view them in kind for stealing our people. When reports reach Retribution that one side is "pirating" the other, what will their decision be?
In the Gurista rebellion against the Caldari mega-corps, which side will you choose to label as "pirates?"
This is the problem with vigilantes. Their definitions of black and white are just as biased and ambiguous as any others', yet it is covered in a layer of self-righteousness. I cannot imagine that Retribution will become anything other than just another pirate corp, much like notable anti-pirate organizations of the past.
In my experience, the primary difference between pirates and anti-pirates have been whether they are polite or rude, ransom or do not, respectively. If your only motivation is vengeance and murder, even of those you feel are evil, then you will be corrupted by that same evil.
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Sae Sato
Amarr The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:56:00 -
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To patrol every corner of the universe, as you say, you will need a very large force. I assume you are going to include 0.0 areas in your search?
Good luck...
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Darius Shakor
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:09:00 -
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I too, like my fellow EM pilot, wonder on your stance towards more political issues such as the fights against slavery and one group's claim against another on what they are. Will you be taking sides in soverign issues of major empire factions and breaches of their law beyond pirating? Or will you remain impartial?
Will you focus on pod pilot alliance security in 0.0 security space or working strictly in low security space exclusively?
Will you investigate the causes for a pilot's bounty before taking action? I have seen many rightious and trigger happy bounty hunting agencies claiming law enforcement as their mandate to shoot other well known anti-pirate entities because they had a bounty on their head. Their low security status was gained by shooting pirates in low security space under CONCORD sanction and fell foul of the loopholes in DED legislation. And subsiquently the victim pirates placed a bounty on their heads. Given that claiming such a bounty would be, in effect, taking money from pirate eliments, what measures would you take to avoid such pit falls?
I wish your alliance the best of luck in seeking out the criminal psychopaths of New Eden. ------ Shakor Clan Information Portal |
CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:58:00 -
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Thank you for your comments and they are valid points indeed. Let me try answer your points as best I can
Originally by: Sae Sato To patrol every corner of the universe, as you say, you will need a very large force. I assume you are going to include 0.0 areas in your search?
Good luck...
I believe this was the quote
Quote: To ACTIVELY patrol these low security areas, To ACTIVELY seek and destroy this threat in ALL corners of the Eve Empire.
0.0 at this moment is not where we are aiming our operations, we plan low sec operations. However that said if we come across pirates in 0.0 then we will of course take the correct course of action.
Now let me give our interpretation of a pirate, pirates we feel are players who roam in low sec space waiting upon unsuspecting pilots, with the pure intention of killing or ransoming without question.
Quote: Will you investigate the causes for a pilot's bounty before taking action? I have seen many rightious and trigger happy bounty hunting agencies claiming law enforcement as their mandate to shoot other well known anti-pirate entities because they had a bounty on their head.
No we wont check pilots, its not the bounty thats the issue here, its the piracy, basically we will pursue and kill any player that is flashing red and has a high -sec status, -5 to -10 this is to avoid killing a person who tried his luck and isnt really a pirate.
Quote: This is the problem with vigilantes. Their definitions of black and white are just as biased and ambiguous as any others
As goals are clear and not ambiguous, there is no in between. Flashing Red , -5 to -10 sec status pretty much says your a pirate. Also we will set negative standings to pirate corps so we know who they are. We are perfectly clear on what and who we are aiming for.
Now for politics Our goals are outlined above, we do not wish to get involved with politics, it is not our place or aim to be entangled in such things. In fact we would like to be friends with others, and our aim is not to attack alliances or corps in 0.0 (unless pirate), a NRDS policy, however 0.0 is not like that and they are many trigger happy pilots out there, where we have no choice but to fight back. Then I guess politics do come into play, but 0.0 is fair game for targets and we expect to have some incidents.
We aim to help non pirate alliances if they need help clearing the way when going through low sec with a frieghter and carry that valuable cargo, which the pirate is just longing for.
If you are a pirate or pirate corp in low sec then thats what we are hunting for. We are not for the moment actively seeking in 0.0 unless we specifcally know locations of their base, and again they must be flashing red and have bad sec status.
We are also careful of setting standings, if a corp has one rogue pilot then we wont set the whole corp to negative.
I hope this clarifies your queries. CinC
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Ebon Seraph The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:04:00 -
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I am curious, are your goals the same as CONCORD's.
Absolute domination of the cluster. First starting in lo-sec and then expanding outwards?
Casserina Negathema of the Blinded Eye Ebon Seraph recruiting!
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:09:00 -
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Edited by: CommanderInChief on 31/08/2007 15:09:12 Please also assume that we have (even for our enemies) full respect. We are under no illusion that some pirate corps are very strong and we will have some difficult challenges ahead and some bloody battles. Corps like The Black Rabbits are a very organsied and strong pirate corp, and we respect such quality.
We dont not claim that we wil lhave a clean sweep and take over the universe, it will take time.
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Casserina Leshrac I am curious, are your goals the same as CONCORD's.
Absolute domination of the cluster. First starting in lo-sec and then expanding outwards?
We do not wish to dominate but to police...but yes low sec then outwards.
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Anton March
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:17:00 -
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Edited by: Anton March on 31/08/2007 15:17:22
Originally by: CommanderInChief
No we wont check pilots, its not the bounty thats the issue here, its the piracy, basically we will pursue and kill any player that is flashing red and has a high -sec status, -5 to -10 this is to avoid killing a person who tried his luck and isnt really a pirate.
Not all pirates have poor security status. In fact, pirates from organizations with a strong nullsec presence can have higher sec statuses than your average "anti-pirate"
Keep your eyes peeled
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 15:23:00 -
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Yes i agree, but until we know of them we cant do much about it. We can only fight what we can actually see. And again if we get agressed then we must fight back win or lose.
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McScruff
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Posted - 2007.08.31 16:52:00 -
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A respectable goal. However i belive you need to put more thought into this before you begin.
I admit to only haveing made a quick glance at this thread but as with others your insistance that you will only shoot at -5 sec or lower crys out at me.
I know a fair few pilots who show up red to me that i would gladly park my ship next to in space while my attention wanders to other matters. Whats more, I can't remember the last person with a sec status that low that has cost me a ship. Infact i even lost one to a pilot with a 5.0 status.
Sec status is an indicator of wether a pilot is a pirate yes. however i find it is the least reliable. ______________________________________
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Galen Darksmith
Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Aunni Ti Tsuun Consortium
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:17:00 -
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*sighs* Look, it ain't that hard, people.
Ya shoot someone in low-sec who ain't shootin' ya first, ya take a sec hit.
Ya do it enough ta get ta -5, and yer a pirate. Simple as that. No one "accidentally" opens up on industrials an' other ships enough ta get ta -5.
Wish you boys well cleaning out th' garbage.
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Sae Sato
Amarr The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:31:00 -
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-5 to -10 security standing is the CONCORD definition of a pirate. I hope you are going to distinguish yourselves from Concord, they aren't much of a challenge
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Kade Jeekin
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.31 17:54:00 -
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Police do not appoint themselves. The community creates them to fulfill a need. It's all about authority. Where does yours come from? --------------------------------------- Outface the depths of evil with clarity --------------------------------------- |
Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kade Jeekin Police do not appoint themselves. The community creates them to fulfill a need. It's all about authority. Where does yours come from?
Yes, I seem to remember the Amarrians who came to "police" your homelands didn't have your authority to do so... ----- Mixed Metaphor is now recruiting! Contact me for details. |
The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: CommanderInChief
Flashing Red , -5 to -10 sec status pretty much says your a pirate.
Perhaps it does in some cases but it is not a reliable indicator. Organisations that take part in low-sec warfare against their political or ideological foes occasionally have pilots reach the level of -5 or below security status. I have seen CVA pilots with this level of security and I am quite happy to say that on occasion Star Fraction pilots have had this level of security.
The CVA are not, however, pirates and neither are the Star Fraction. I would suggest you be wary of using a blanket policy of shooting pilots who happen to have low CONCORD standings.
I will certainly give you fair warning, follow this policy with respect to our pilots, and fire on any of them, and we will set you -10 and destroy you wherever we find you.
On the other hand, if you are truly an NRDS organisation, you might consider setting standings as the Star Fraction has a long-standing policy of never shooting neutrals. If you wish to discuss these matters do get in touch with myself or Jade Constantine.
The Cosmopolite
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Artthana
Minmatar Acme Technologies Incorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:33:00 -
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You have a very interesting mission statement / signature?
We do not train to be merciful here. Mercy is for the weak. Here, in space, in competition. A man confronts you he is the enemy. An enemy deserves no mercy.
Please correct me if I am wrong but that looks more like a statement for a pirate corp.
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3ll3
Gallente Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:37:00 -
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Dear Mr CommanderInChief,
The amount of times I have herd this, but I shall hold Judgment and watch who knows they may be Genuine and may actually be able to do what they say they intend to do.
But so many have said what they have, so I hope they forgive my Scepticism and treat them Suspiciously when I am in Low Sec.
Though I Apologise if my words have caused you any Offence as such is not my intention good sir.
Signed,
-3ll3-
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Lucius Lefebvre
Jus des Dieux
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:49:00 -
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I'm sure that many will welcome your announcement. However, rather than simply fostering a further layer of dependency in those who already lean too heavily on Concord for protection, I would hope that you might find time in your crusade to also school victims of piracy in self-defence. That would seem an appropriate role for 'police,' irrespective of their mandate.
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Nachshon
Caldari Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.08.31 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Galen Darksmith *sighs* Look, it ain't that hard, people.
Ya shoot someone in low-sec who ain't shootin' ya first, ya take a sec hit.
Ya do it enough ta get ta -5, and yer a pirate. Simple as that. No one "accidentally" opens up on industrials an' other ships enough ta get ta -5.
Wish you boys well cleaning out th' garbage.
What if ya open up on a lot of pirates before they shoot? ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship.
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 23:01:00 -
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I would like to thank you for you comments, and you have valid points, all a bit on the suspicious side however. Yes there are big goals and they wont happen over night, and your sceptisism is justified. However this goal has been carefully thought out i would say 6 months in the planning.
There is no cloak and dagger motives here, no hidden agenda, the goals are clearly set for all to see, we are as transparent as we can be
Your quite in your right to hold judgement, but when we start realising our goals then we can say - we told you so..
CinC
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Evanda Char
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.09.01 01:00:00 -
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CIC, nice to see where you've wound up after our war with The Dirty Dozen all that time ago.
Give me a shout if you want a list of the pirate and NBSI organizations known to us - this won't include those who are NBSI in 0.0 only, just those who are known to shoot neutrals in low sec.
-Eva-
Electus Matari - taking it one bad guy at a time |
Natalcya Katla
Astropolitan Front
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Posted - 2007.09.01 02:08:00 -
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Very interesting. We should have a talk.
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Ugleb
Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.09.01 12:03:00 -
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Edited by: Ugleb on 01/09/2007 12:04:06 It will be interesting to see your response the first time we bring down a Slaver in front of a Redtriburion Law Enforcement patrol. Will you side with the Slaver, or with the enslaved as we break their chains?
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Naphtalia
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.09.01 13:10:00 -
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CommanderInChief,
You being a pirate and a former member of the Gurista Alliance Fatal Persuasion, I wonder... What happened from being NBSI and a free captain, to becoming a lackey of Concord indiscriminately attacking anyone not fitting Concords definitions of 'good'.
However, if indeed you make your own ways in the universe and pick your own fights while limiting yourself to shooting neutrals of the 'flashing' nature as opposed to neutrals of any nature, I wonder what the big fuss is about?
I am unclear yet of your political goals, it sounds a lot as a division of CONCORD, which in my honest opinion should police anyone that breaks the law, be it, unsanctioned agression, outlawism or any other activity that incurs the wrath of CONCORD.
Which is it, my old friend? what is your story nowadays?
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CommanderInChief
The-Secret-Service Retribution.
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Posted - 2007.09.01 13:53:00 -
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Hello too my old friend, nice to see your still around. Let me clarify, although we where part of the now disbanded Fatal Persuasion many moons ago, where we never actually pirating, or pirates.
Our terms and agreements is that we would fight the empire wars (when it was cheap) if you so rightly remember. I also recall your specific instructions for us not to engage by your good self - in any piracy as this was the domain of The Black Rabbits and its pirate associates. And this wasnt our goals anyway hence why we didnt stay very long.
I will continue shortly.
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Naphtalia
Caldari The Black Rabbits
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Posted - 2007.09.01 15:24:00 -
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Well we of course saw it coming, just typical to switch loyalty from Guristas to CONCORD. Not the move itself, just, knowing you I wonder how strict you will be able to adhere to CONCORD principles..
Or if this is just a random way to indicate targets (where sentries won't fire on you)
Either way, good luck, I am sure you will fare well in any of your quests.
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Confliktus
Caldari Technology Crimes Task Force
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Posted - 2007.09.01 19:45:00 -
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A most fortunate anouncement, please fell free to convo me ingame, perhaps some cooperation between us would be positive towards yours and TCTF's objectives.
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