I like the idea.

But then again I like any idea that changes local from what it is now.

The local broadcast thing is ok, but it would be a pain to deal with when a fleet of 100+ pilots jump thru your system. Instead of linked names, broadcast a red/orange/grey/light blue/blue gate activation to 0.0 systems. This will allow active pilots in the system to react and afk pilots are none the wiser. You can then check your logs for any references to who was in your system when.

No thanks. This is just another "remove local and give me mah free kills" topic and should be treated as such.

It is very simple. Remove local = Ruin nullsec then you cry for more hisec nerfs to try to force them back and they just quit.

Or maybe these guys you're hunting will just decide to farm L4s or incursions in hisec instead, leaving you with a rather dead nullsec to roam through, with more whining about how hard it is to catch people.

That is ridiculous.

This would clearly favor the non hunter....

Who's the hunter and the hunted here? Because what I'm talking about is carebears who'll decide that if they wanted to run a scan every 2 seconds, they'd go to WHs, where the rewards actually reflects the effort and danger they'd be in. So they'd probably just go back to L4/incursions. vOv

I stopped reading right there and started laughing at your fail logic.

Not supported.

Who's the hunter and the hunted here? Because what I'm talking about is carebears who'll decide that if they wanted to run a scan every 2 seconds, they'd go to WHs, where the rewards actually reflects the effort and danger they'd be in. So they'd probably just go back to L4/incursions. vOv

1. No self updating list in local unless you check the 'ShowMe' box.

2. The gates will broadcast into local chat every entrance and exit, with link and pic of pilot. (Pic to include relevant standing symbol)

So let's pretend I'm a ganker. I untick the "ShowMe" box, I go through wormholes into nullsec space (no gate, no announcement), I don't show up, people have no idea I'm there, and to mitigate that they have to scan every 2 seconds. Or I log in, and I don't show up, and they still have to scan every 2 seconds. Or I use a covert cyno to bring in friends. No gate, no announcement, pres scan butan every 2 seconds.

Because what I'm talking about is carebears who'll decide that if they wanted to run a scan every 2 seconds, they'd go to WHs, where the rewards actually reflects the effort and danger they'd be in. So they'd probably just go back to L4/incursions. vOv

In other words:

Also, what about ships docking/undocking?? Is there any warning broadcast into local when a ship/player does such? This could be important to both NPC and Sov Nullsec!

There are several Pro's and Con's to this system:

Things I like:
New intel: You now know which entrance/exit a gang is coming/going.

Things I don't like:
There is no information on ships in space.

Your idea is an interesting middle ground.... and I'm not opposed to it, I'm not sure I'm ready to support it either though...

In my mind, I think a system that quickly showed the number of ships, but you have to go the extra step to identify if they are friendly or not. I don't mean you need to land on grid with them, rather I'd like some intel tool that identifies them via scanning (Think automated d-scan, where different ships have different ranges and scanning periods, such that covops and inties are bonused for intel gathering, and things like Recons, SB's, and standard ships are much less ideal).

If you're letting people sneak in unseen through wormholes, covert cynos or logging in, you might as well just remove gate intelligence as well, since the inhabitants still have to keep hitting that scan button every 2 seconds to avoid ganks. And if you do that, you might as well make the rewards closer to wormholes, to reflect the added risk, or you'll depopulate nullsec even further.

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I would also support the idea of a POS module that could scan down uncloaked vessels, and populate a list with ship types active in system, including which were friendly vs neutral or worse. I would suggest this list only be offered to the SOV holders by default, although they would be free to share the info in chat.

Anything uncloaked for over 60 seconds could be added to this list automatically.

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I would also support the idea of a POS module that could scan down uncloaked vessels, and populate a list with ship types active in system, including which were friendly vs neutral or worse. I would suggest this list only be offered to the SOV holders by default, although they would be free to share the info in chat.

So what you're saying is, anything that comes in through wormholes, covert cynos or just logs in won't be detected by the POS module for up to 60 seconds, and anything which cloaks up would disappear or not show up at all?

I really think Local Chat, needs to lose all intel functions and be limited to what it's name implies, a chat box. With Local Chat intel gone a discussion of how DScan and other intel tools can be improved without being as broken as Local Chat is currently.

That said your suggestion is a big improvement over the status quo, and perhaps a reluctantly acceptable compromise.



I believe should any such systems given to Sov Holders should also be given to NPC Nullsec residents in good Standing with controlling NPCs. And only be given to either in systems where Stations/Outposts are present.

Wormholes are interesting random things, bigger problems can come through these than cloaking ships, but to answer your question, yes.

In other words, the POS mod changes nothing, and my post remains. They have to run their own scans, because 60 seconds is a long time in this regard. And given that delay, you might as well just drop the in-system intelligence altogether, since there are huge gaping holes in it which makes it pretty much useless as an intel tool.

Updated: As inspired by Gizznitt, since I agree with the logic, and Zim, for pointing out a flaw in balance: