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Remejiah
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:17:00 -
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I'm sure somebody's brought this up before, but has anybody else noticed that the mass of your typical stargate is roughly 50,000 times that of our Sun??
Mass of Sun: ~1.99 x 10^30 kg Mass of Eve Stargate: 1 x 10^35 kg
Remember folks, that's a 1 followed by 35 zeroes.
CCP, do you guys know how unrealistic this is? It's impossible for anything the size of a stargate to have that kind of mass and NOT BE A BLACK HOLE!
I love this game, but please CCP, please change this!
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Arana Tellen
Gallente The Blackguard Wolves Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:30:00 -
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Every time a person tries to bring real world physics into a fantasy setting, god kills a cat girl
True the number could be changed though ---------------------------------
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Ima Nub
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:32:00 -
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But maybe that's how they work? How else could you get a spaceship to vanish and suddenly pop up mysteriously in some other star system far far away? I think the gates contain linked black holes!
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:36:00 -
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They are probably given this kind of mass to avoid people bumping the stargate out of position
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Remejiah
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel They are probably given this kind of mass to avoid people bumping the stargate out of position
lol... I think that must be it. That or somebody at CCP didn't think to realize that a 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg piece of machinery might be a bit excessive.
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Sphynx Stormlord
Gallente Anqara Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:45:00 -
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Well, when I first saw the mass on the stargates, my thoguht was 'cool, these things are powered by black holes', so clearly milage may vary as to what constitutes a good idea.
Seeing as they get to catapult a ship across lightyears in a blink of an eye (or maybe a bit longer if you are going to jita), they are allowed to be a little unuasual.
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Agent 452
Caldari Redback Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:53:00 -
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For those who have read the information on how warp drives work in EVE (that's the faster than light drive, not the jump drive), you will be aware that the only way to detect bodies while travelling faster than light is with gravity waves, and that is why you can only warp to planets, suns, moons, and objects that have a gravity wave emitter beacon.
Why am i jabbering about warp drives and gravity wave emitters? If the stargates had such a gravity wave emitter on them, say, so that people could use them as a warp target, they may APPEAR to have a giant mass, as those readings would be affected by the beacon.
At least, that's my semi-plausible in-game explanation. Other explanations involve statements like "you think that's bad, how come come you can never see the planet your moon is supposedly orbiting" and "despite travelling faster than light, you can still see your friends when they're warping beside you"
but i'd prefer to invent an RP reason for the data, than bash CCP for not being astronomers :D
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.08.30 07:56:00 -
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Originally by: Arana Tellen Every time a person tries to bring real world physics into a fantasy setting, god kills a cat girl
True the number could be changed though
Lucky its a sci-fi setting then
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Remejiah
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Agent 452 For those who have read the information on how warp drives work in EVE (that's the faster than light drive, not the jump drive), you will be aware that the only way to detect bodies while travelling faster than light is with gravity waves, and that is why you can only warp to planets, suns, moons, and objects that have a gravity wave emitter beacon.
Why am i jabbering about warp drives and gravity wave emitters? If the stargates had such a gravity wave emitter on them, say, so that people could use them as a warp target, they may APPEAR to have a giant mass, as those readings would be affected by the beacon.
At least, that's my semi-plausible in-game explanation. Other explanations involve statements like "you think that's bad, how come come you can never see the planet your moon is supposedly orbiting" and "despite travelling faster than light, you can still see your friends when they're warping beside you"
but i'd prefer to invent an RP reason for the data, than bash CCP for not being astronomers :D
Yeah, I like the RP / sci-fi explanations too. Nothing's perfect in these kind of games, but it's nice to think that these problems are somehow worked out in the future.
Originally by: Agent 452
"despite travelling faster than light, you can still see your friends when they're warping beside you"
I have one that's even worse. Special Relativity states that faster than light travel (if possible) would result in time paradoxes. This means that whenever you took a ship somewhere, you'd actually end up arriving at your destination before you left. Now that's a noodle-scratcher.
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Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Remejiah I have one that's even worse. Special Relativity states that faster than light travel (if possible) would result in time paradoxes. This means that whenever you took a ship somewhere, you'd actually end up arriving at your destination before you left. Now that's a noodle-scratcher.
Ah, but that's where warp drives come in. The theory is that when you fold space in a certain manner, you will be able to fly with sub-light speed inside the bubble, yet the bubble (with you inside) moves faster than light in relation to the universe around it. You take a short-cut through space, but not through time (though you might experience time dilation if your inside the bubble speed reaches relativistic measures).
...At least, I think
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Zalathar
Minmatar Biometaloid INC
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:22:00 -
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Edited by: Zalathar on 30/08/2007 08:22:41 well, theoretically, everytime you warp you would get desyched from the rest of the universe due to time dilation. but i think that CCP states that while in war you are not affected by standard physical laws.
and Stargates use extreme contained gravity to work, so i think it is something to do with that. ~~~~~~ *mods, if you think i'm ugly please say "eeek!"* ~~~~~~ eeeeeekk - Deckard eeeeee...K -Darth Patches gawwwd damn!!1 -zhuge you soo pretty I think you're stunningly handsome and let me just say that you're wearing that dead parrot on your shoulder in a particularly dashing way today. -Hango Your using up all the space hango! - Timmeh |
Callthetruth
Caldari Drunken Ratbags Inc New Eve Order
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:30:00 -
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negative energy makes em heavier
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Banana Torres on 30/08/2007 08:37:54
Originally by: Agent 452 For those who have read the information on how warp drives work in EVE (that's the faster than light drive, not the jump drive), you will be aware that the only way to detect bodies while travelling faster than light is with gravity waves, and that is why you can only warp to planets, suns, moons, and objects that have a gravity wave emitter beacon.
And bookmarks, you can warp to bookmarks, and to members of you gang.
Also gravity waves do not exist, neither do gravitons. The bending of the space time space-time continuum is just a mathematical abstraction that happens to describe how the universe works quite well.
Originally by: Agent 452 but i'd prefer to invent an RP reason for the data, than bash CCP for not being astronomers :D
Me too...
We can travel faster than the speed of light cause pixies wearing pink tutus that live in our warp engines sprinkle go faster dust when we enter warp. Cause intersteller travel needs more oooomph the pixies are not up to it so they use trolls wearing green tutus that live in the star gates. And we all know how much a troll weighs. So, that is why the stargates are so heavy.
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galadran
Caldari The Power of 3
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:40:00 -
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I thought the jury was still out on gravitons?
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: galadran I thought the jury was still out on gravitons?
Sometimes you just gotta put your ass on the line.
For me, gravitons don't exist. I find that the universe is a much more logical place if I don't have gravitons in it. I don't subscibe to the standard model of particle physics, but that is just my personal choice. My reasons for doing so are a very obtuse and not really the stuff for a sci-fi game forum.
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CCP Oveur
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Ishina Fel They are probably given this kind of mass to avoid people bumping the stargate out of position
This is actually the correct one. A long time ago it had to be hotfixed, the fastest most safe way to do it was simply to give them lots of mass. It isn't really needed any more, now we just keep it like that to create forum threads that wonder about the mass.
Executive Producer EVE Online
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 08:56:00 -
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Also notice that there is no gravity in Eve... in a realistic space game you'd think gravity would be pretty important, but Eve isn't in it for the realism. We're here for the pew pew.
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Ashaz
Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:18:00 -
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So tell me. The last time you measured the weight of a wormhole. How heavy was it? __________________________________ Gallente by birth. Amarr by choice. iDrone |
Cornucopian
Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Remejiah I'm sure somebody's brought this up before, but has anybody else noticed that the mass of your typical stargate is roughly 50,000 times that of our Sun??
Mass of Sun: ~1.99 x 10^30 kg Mass of Eve Stargate: 1 x 10^35 kg
Remember folks, that's a 1 followed by 35 zeroes.
CCP, do you guys know how unrealistic this is? It's impossible for anything the size of a stargate to have that kind of mass and NOT BE A BLACK HOLE!
I love this game, but please CCP, please change this!
you are officially the most bored person in the history of history. And you are also completely correct in your analysis.
I would go as far as to say: there are more important things than the issue you have raised???
LAWL anyway :-) ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Originally by: Royaldo
complete win by Cornucopian!
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Daddy Xerox
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:26:00 -
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Originally by: Remejiah
CCP, do you guys know how unrealistic this is? It's impossible for anything the size of a stargate to have that kind of mass and NOT BE A BLACK HOLE!
I love this game, but please CCP, please change this!
Actually, I believe it would be more along the lines of somewhere between white dwarf and neutron star mass. Due to its size it would, indeed, collapse upon itself with that degree of mass, it's doubtful it would become a singularity (since the technology it uses is actually a string/spindle singularity forming a point-to-point wormhole with finite discharge loci.)
/end technofiction.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:27:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur A long time ago it had to be hotfixed, the fastest most safe way to do it was simply to give them lots of mass.
So how far did someone manage to bump a gate before the hotfix was applied?
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Ishina Fel They are probably given this kind of mass to avoid people bumping the stargate out of position
This is actually the correct one. A long time ago it had to be hotfixed, the fastest most safe way to do it was simply to give them lots of mass. It isn't really needed any more, now we just keep it like that to create forum threads that wonder about the mass.
Anchoring skill is really a "increase a few pounds" skill? ________________________________________
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PhoenixDawn
Gallente Forge Regional Security
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:35:00 -
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Originally by: Remejiah
I have one that's even worse. Special Relativity states that faster than light travel (if possible) would result in time paradoxes. This means that whenever you took a ship somewhere, you'd actually end up arriving at your destination before you left. Now that's a noodle-scratcher.
You can never arrive at your destination before you leave, because in order to arrive you have to go from point A to B, then turn around and come back to point A, and which time you would be reversing your course at the same speed with which you traveled to B... resulting in the fact that you would arrive shortly after you left. If you set your course to be eliptical you would also arrive shortly after you left, regardless of the distances traversed as an elptical course reverses the retrograde time/space dialation on the return orbit (the same as A>B>A.)
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Orravan
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.08.30 09:46:00 -
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http://www.eve-online.com/background/jump/jump_03.asp
When scanning for the mass of the stargate, your ship's computer are in fact trying to scan for the mass of a hole, and thus, lost itself into its depths. Does it sound credible enough ? :D ____________________
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Jinmie
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Posted - 2007.08.30 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: PhoenixDawn
I go out on the town guys and I have a girlfriend, honestly I really do.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.08.30 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres Edited by: Banana Torres on 30/08/2007 08:37:54
Originally by: Agent 452 For those who have read the information on how warp drives work in EVE (that's the faster than light drive, not the jump drive), you will be aware that the only way to detect bodies while travelling faster than light is with gravity waves, and that is why you can only warp to planets, suns, moons, and objects that have a gravity wave emitter beacon.
And bookmarks, you can warp to bookmarks, and to members of you gang.
Also gravity waves do not exist, neither do gravitons. The bending of the space time space-time continuum is just a mathematical abstraction that happens to describe how the universe works quite well.
Originally by: Agent 452 but i'd prefer to invent an RP reason for the data, than bash CCP for not being astronomers :D
Me too...
We can travel faster than the speed of light cause pixies wearing pink tutus that live in our warp engines sprinkle go faster dust when we enter warp. Cause intersteller travel needs more oooomph the pixies are not up to it so they use trolls wearing green tutus that live in the star gates. And we all know how much a troll weighs. So, that is why the stargates are so heavy.
lol
SKUNK
Originally by: Jeximo I also like how your cat only managed to hit the enter button when he/she jumped on your keyboard.
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Xen Gin
The Dragoons X-PACT
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:03:00 -
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Screw warp drive, hyper drive is the real mode of transport of the Gods!
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Steini OFSI
Gallente Minigame
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:05:00 -
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Imagine how handy it would've been to bump the stargates to your station from where you run missions.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Oveur
Originally by: Ishina Fel They are probably given this kind of mass to avoid people bumping the stargate out of position
This is actually the correct one. A long time ago it had to be hotfixed, the fastest most safe way to do it was simply to give them lots of mass. It isn't really needed any more, now we just keep it like that to create forum threads that wonder about the mass.
That's not a moon...
I used to get It. Then It changed. Now I don't even know what It is.
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Iyanah
Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e
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Posted - 2007.08.30 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Remejiah I'm sure somebody's brought this up before, but has anybody else noticed that the mass of your typical stargate is roughly 50,000 times that of our Sun??
Mass of Sun: ~1.99 x 10^30 kg Mass of Eve Stargate: 1 x 10^35 kg
Remember folks, that's a 1 followed by 35 zeroes.
CCP, do you guys know how unrealistic this is? It's impossible for anything the size of a stargate to have that kind of mass and NOT BE A BLACK HOLE!
I love this game, but please CCP, please change this!
the way stargates are supposed to work is by generating singularities and all that sort of stuff to punch a hole through space - a wormhole - through which you jump. i believe this mass is there to represent the artificial-pseudo-blackhole used in the creation of the wormhole. ========================================== Iy
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