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36 DD
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Posted - 2007.08.30 01:08:00 -
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So, soon Ill be able to purchase either a dread or a carrier (and skills associated with them). However since my main is gallante it leaves me with a bit of a problem, moros or thanny?
Ive been trying to come up with pros and cons for both and this is where I need some help...
Thanny Pros: -Can haul a good amount of stuff -can control fighters, can chase enemies down -can jump further -good vs smaller targets -20% bonus with lvl 4
Cons: -Skills cost as much as the carrier does -Fighters are a sore on the wallet and easily delt with(normally first to go down) -Fighters(12) even with the 20% bonus have about 1300 dps, which isnt much better then a ganker BS -No bonus to smaller drones -everyone seems to have one
onto the moros Pros: -Great dmg, even without guns its 5 t2 drones do equal dps as a chimera with 11 fighters -skills are cheaper -since more ppl are flying caps, dreads are being used more -Easy to defend itself, probably one of the best dreads -T2 drones are cheap and easy to replace, guns cant be destroyed like fighters can -Blasters have great dmg and if a BS isnt moving, can easily be taken out. -Enemy will have a hard time picking your drones out from the groups
Cons: -Shorter jump distance -requires siege mode to bring out its full potential -ship costs more -Longer to train for -most of the time you wont be able to use your blasters on anything but a pos, so most dps is from drones if your away from a pos an out of siege -Drones have a limited range
Ive heard also that if a moros can have a gang member web a BS with blasters it has a possibility of hitting them (In siege)? Not sure how true this is, but would be considered a pro if true.
So that is my problem. I know more and more people are buying carriers, meaning that anti caps are in higher demand as well.
Suggestions?
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 01:16:00 -
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I think the Moros's insane dronebonus is going to be nerved soon, as it's completely out of line to other dreads. No other dread can defend itself that good against non-capital targets, so sooner or later it will be balanced, i think it's already announced somewhere. So if you are not too much into pos warfare maybe the thanatos isn't a bad choice.
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ViolenTUK
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Posted - 2007.08.30 01:24:00 -
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The Moros has a limited range with its drones and as such this is a nerf in itself.
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Byzan Zwyth
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.30 01:49:00 -
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I doubt the moros is up for a nerf all the dreads seem to be well balanced in a way.
Rev = very good tank and no amo useage pho = can choose damage type (though Kin is best) and pretty good against webbed BS, Cap shield tank can be pretty uber nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons mor = drone bonus gives it ability to deal with smaller ships ---------------------- Rank: Tech 1 and a 1/2 cannon fodder
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36 DD
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Posted - 2007.08.30 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: ViolenTUK The Moros has a limited range with its drones and as such this is a nerf in itself.
Its no less then the thanatos with normal drones. 53km and t2 sentries could give more dps with pos warfare
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36 DD
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Posted - 2007.08.30 02:43:00 -
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ANy suggestions on which i should pick? :\
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Calistro
Gallente Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.30 02:48:00 -
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If you're not in an alliance or corporation who tend to siege POS'es, go for the Thanatos. Carriers are very versatile and much more mobile than a dread.
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Deschenus Maximus
Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.08.30 03:05:00 -
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Are you in a 0.0 corp? Yes? Moros.
If not, Thanny.
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Gor Kraon
Minmatar Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 04:08:00 -
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Originally by: Byzan Zwyth
nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons
I do believe thats not true... A Moros will deal more damage with sentries and guns than the nag can hope for.
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Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I doubt the moros is up for a nerf all the dreads seem to be well balanced in a way.
Rev = very good tank and no amo useage pho = can choose damage type (though Kin is best) and pretty good against webbed BS, Cap shield tank can be pretty uber nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons mor = drone bonus gives it ability to deal with smaller ships
->All dreads have very good tank, expecially in siegemod. ->Phoenix can chose damagetype at the cost of the dreadnought bonus, if he takes anything else than kinetik. ->All dreads are good vs pos and capital ships. ->All dreads can hurt a webbed and targetpainted bs well.
But only the moros can fight against everything, big and small targets. It's like a dread and 2 dominix, 3 in 1 for the price of 1. So additional to it's role, being a cap-ship/pos-killer it has, like no other dread, that ability to kill anything from a tackler frig to battelship aswell. Enough place for heavy drones + mediums + small for evry situation.
While fighting other capitals in a capital battle it kills support ships simultaneously like if it's an anti-support ship. 5 ogre or hammerhead II with up to 250% drone damage bonus jajaja very balanced this is.
I'm pretty sure that drone bonus will be transformed into a blaster range bonus or something, caus now it's far from being balanced ... flying a dread + mini-carrier allrounder all-in-one carefree i-win button is nice for the moros pilot, but not in line with other dreads.
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36 DD
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:09:00 -
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Yes i am in a 0.0 corp. And although we might not be taking down pos's more and more enemies are just putting 2-3 carriers onto our 12 man bs gangs.
Im starting to lean towards a moros
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:17:00 -
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Edited by: madaluap on 30/08/2007 12:18:36
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I doubt the moros is up for a nerf all the dreads seem to be well balanced in a way.
Rev = very good tank and no amo useage pho = can choose damage type (though Kin is best) and pretty good against webbed BS, Cap shield tank can be pretty uber nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons mor = drone bonus gives it ability to deal with smaller ships
->All dreads have very good tank, expecially in siegemod. ->Phoenix can chose damagetype at the cost of the dreadnought bonus, if he takes anything else than kinetik. ->All dreads are good vs pos and capital ships. ->All dreads can hurt a webbed and targetpainted bs well.
But only the moros can fight against everything, big and small targets. It's like a dread and 2 dominix, 3 in 1 for the price of 1. So additional to it's role, being a cap-ship/pos-killer it has, like no other dread, that ability to kill anything from a tackler frig to battelship aswell. Enough place for heavy drones + mediums + small for evry situation.
While fighting other capitals in a capital battle it kills support ships simultaneously like if it's an anti-support ship. 5 ogre or hammerhead II with up to 250% drone damage bonus jajaja very balanced this is.
I'm pretty sure that drone bonus will be transformed into a blaster range bonus or something, caus now it's far from being balanced ... flying a dread + mini-carrier allrounder all-in-one carefree i-win button is nice for the moros pilot, but not in line with other dreads.
Wow, ill be so worried about cruisers and frigs when im flying my moros solo.
edit: realise that all other dreads can fit shortrange weapons, moros cannot. Or you think hitting out to 20 km is good. _________________________________________________ Breetime
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AngryCanuk
Madison Industrial Co. Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 30/08/2007 12:18:36
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I doubt the moros is up for a nerf all the dreads seem to be well balanced in a way.
Rev = very good tank and no amo useage pho = can choose damage type (though Kin is best) and pretty good against webbed BS, Cap shield tank can be pretty uber nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons mor = drone bonus gives it ability to deal with smaller ships
->All dreads have very good tank, expecially in siegemod. ->Phoenix can chose damagetype at the cost of the dreadnought bonus, if he takes anything else than kinetik. ->All dreads are good vs pos and capital ships. ->All dreads can hurt a webbed and targetpainted bs well.
But only the moros can fight against everything, big and small targets. It's like a dread and 2 dominix, 3 in 1 for the price of 1. So additional to it's role, being a cap-ship/pos-killer it has, like no other dread, that ability to kill anything from a tackler frig to battelship aswell. Enough place for heavy drones + mediums + small for evry situation.
While fighting other capitals in a capital battle it kills support ships simultaneously like if it's an anti-support ship. 5 ogre or hammerhead II with up to 250% drone damage bonus jajaja very balanced this is.
I'm pretty sure that drone bonus will be transformed into a blaster range bonus or something, caus now it's far from being balanced ... flying a dread + mini-carrier allrounder all-in-one carefree i-win button is nice for the moros pilot, but not in line with other dreads.
Wow, ill be so worried about cruisers and frigs when im flying my moros solo.
edit: realise that all other dreads can fit shortrange weapons, moros cannot. Or you think hitting out to 20 km is good.
I thought moros could fit blasters, and although it has a small range, it can still hit a large pos. But it has to be right ontop of the shield
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Natasha Kerensky
The Company Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Natasha Kerensky on 30/08/2007 12:34:10
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba I think the Moros's insane dronebonus is going to be nerved soon, *snip* i think it's already announced somewhere.
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Engad Tanon
Caldari Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.30 12:41:00 -
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train both
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madaluap
Gallente Mercenary Forces Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.08.30 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: AngryCanuk
Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 30/08/2007 12:18:36
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I doubt the moros is up for a nerf all the dreads seem to be well balanced in a way.
Rev = very good tank and no amo useage pho = can choose damage type (though Kin is best) and pretty good against webbed BS, Cap shield tank can be pretty uber nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons mor = drone bonus gives it ability to deal with smaller ships
->All dreads have very good tank, expecially in siegemod. ->Phoenix can chose damagetype at the cost of the dreadnought bonus, if he takes anything else than kinetik. ->All dreads are good vs pos and capital ships. ->All dreads can hurt a webbed and targetpainted bs well.
But only the moros can fight against everything, big and small targets. It's like a dread and 2 dominix, 3 in 1 for the price of 1. So additional to it's role, being a cap-ship/pos-killer it has, like no other dread, that ability to kill anything from a tackler frig to battelship aswell. Enough place for heavy drones + mediums + small for evry situation.
While fighting other capitals in a capital battle it kills support ships simultaneously like if it's an anti-support ship. 5 ogre or hammerhead II with up to 250% drone damage bonus jajaja very balanced this is.
I'm pretty sure that drone bonus will be transformed into a blaster range bonus or something, caus now it's far from being balanced ... flying a dread + mini-carrier allrounder all-in-one carefree i-win button is nice for the moros pilot, but not in line with other dreads.
Wow, ill be so worried about cruisers and frigs when im flying my moros solo.
edit: realise that all other dreads can fit shortrange weapons, moros cannot. Or you think hitting out to 20 km is good.
I thought moros could fit blasters, and although it has a small range, it can still hit a large pos. But it has to be right ontop of the shield
What ammo are you using when hitting a large pos with capital blasters? Tungsten charge?
Im very sure that rails + AM charge hit a pos far harder than blasters... _________________________________________________ Breetime
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Zyrla Bladestorm
Minmatar Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: madaluap
Originally by: AngryCanuk
Originally by: madaluap Edited by: madaluap on 30/08/2007 12:18:36
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I doubt the moros is up for a nerf all the dreads seem to be well balanced in a way.
Rev = very good tank and no amo useage pho = can choose damage type (though Kin is best) and pretty good against webbed BS, Cap shield tank can be pretty uber nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons mor = drone bonus gives it ability to deal with smaller ships
->All dreads have very good tank, expecially in siegemod. ->Phoenix can chose damagetype at the cost of the dreadnought bonus, if he takes anything else than kinetik. ->All dreads are good vs pos and capital ships. ->All dreads can hurt a webbed and targetpainted bs well.
But only the moros can fight against everything, big and small targets. It's like a dread and 2 dominix, 3 in 1 for the price of 1. So additional to it's role, being a cap-ship/pos-killer it has, like no other dread, that ability to kill anything from a tackler frig to battelship aswell. Enough place for heavy drones + mediums + small for evry situation.
While fighting other capitals in a capital battle it kills support ships simultaneously like if it's an anti-support ship. 5 ogre or hammerhead II with up to 250% drone damage bonus jajaja very balanced this is.
I'm pretty sure that drone bonus will be transformed into a blaster range bonus or something, caus now it's far from being balanced ... flying a dread + mini-carrier allrounder all-in-one carefree i-win button is nice for the moros pilot, but not in line with other dreads.
Wow, ill be so worried about cruisers and frigs when im flying my moros solo.
edit: realise that all other dreads can fit shortrange weapons, moros cannot. Or you think hitting out to 20 km is good.
I thought moros could fit blasters, and although it has a small range, it can still hit a large pos. But it has to be right ontop of the shield
What ammo are you using when hitting a large pos with capital blasters? Tungsten charge?
Im very sure that rails + AM charge hit a pos far harder than blasters...
A naglfar attempting to use autocannons against a starbase even hugging the shield is so far into falloff that its DPS drops well below that it would have had using artillery.
Also in the capital launcher category there is no choice of weapon at all. . ----- Apologies for any rambling that may have just occurred.
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Aram Gishno
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:49:00 -
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I've flown both the Moros and the Phoenix, as well as the Thanatos and the Chimera.
Honestly, targeting in the Moros is a pain. Once you have a lock , then yea that drone damage is really helpfull especially with t2 heavies. Also, keep in mind that for smaller targets you really need to use drones. Cap rails or blasters are a pain to hit smaller targets. It really turns into how much low/mid do you want to sacrifice to hit these types of targets. Also, you have to keep in mind that some groups will more than readily bring in their own cap to fight yours. Now all those scarificed slots come back to haunt you.
For the Dreads there is no one single ubber ownage ship. You have to adjust to your target. If you don't know anything about your target you can wing it but make sure you bought insurance!
As for Carriers...
The Thanatos is good for single engagements but again the targeting suffers here. The drone bouns is nice but keep in mind that if your enemy is smart they won't fight you alone.
It really comes down to what role are you looking to fill. Are you going to be a support role? Then carrier is your best bet. Come with rep or shild trans and everyone loves ya. However, if you want to take down a cap or POS then dread is obviously your best bet.
There is no one ship that is perfect for every engagement and this is why you join a corp...
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Seamus O'Malley
Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:51:00 -
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Carrier is more fun imo, it gets used more.
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twit brent
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.30 22:16:00 -
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Moros should never fit blasters for POS bashing. Also it takes something near a minute to lock a cruiser with a sensor booster fitted in siege and it can only lock 2 targets.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.31 10:03:00 -
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For the OP's question, the possible answer are like:
1) Both; switching from one to other as needed, OR 2) Ask your CEO which one will be needed more; they aren't really solo ships
Both ships are mostly boring (or used for logistics); you really need to try to get some fun moments with them.
For balance issue: IMHO Moros is at the moment unbalanced for station hugging duties; this should be fixed through the agro timers, not by single ship nerf.
If someone really has faced/heard of several situations where Moros has been too good I would like to hear about those. Or in other words; it seems bonus of %250 on something looks too good on paper, even if there aren't that many real world applications.
-Lasse
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36 DD
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Posted - 2007.08.31 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Seamus O'Malley Carrier is more fun imo, it gets used more.
Of course, because everyone is saying "Jump my Sh$t" so ofcourse it will be used more That or dealing out expensive fighters to ppl who dont know what they are worth :\
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: 36 DD
Originally by: Seamus O'Malley Carrier is more fun imo, it gets used more.
Of course, because everyone is saying "Jump my Sh$t" so ofcourse it will be used more That or dealing out expensive fighters to ppl who dont know what they are worth :\
You seem to want us to say "train for Moros" tbh. If you want one, and think its pimp, go for it. It'll do no harm.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Byzan Zwyth I doubt the moros is up for a nerf all the dreads seem to be well balanced in a way.
Rev = very good tank and no amo useage pho = can choose damage type (though Kin is best) and pretty good against webbed BS, Cap shield tank can be pretty uber nag = best damage vs POS, 4 capital weapons mor = drone bonus gives it ability to deal with smaller ships
yeah apart from all the other dreads are better or worse in some way at doing their intended job, a dead shooting small stuff isnt intended, and i bet the only reason they hav any drone bay at all is for sentry drones for (you guessed it) shooting POS.
as a reverlation pilot myself, im well jelous of the moros 'bonus' ability to rip small ships to tiny peices with its quite clearly overpowered ability.
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bldyannoyed
Un4seen Development
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Posted - 2007.08.31 14:36:00 -
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Cool, so take off the drone bonus and give it a tracking bonus.
Or a rep amount bonus.
Or another rail damage bonus.
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