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Posted - 2007.08.27 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: LUH 3471 on 27/08/2007 13:27:42
Originally by: Death Kill
Edited by: Death Kill on 27/08/2007 13:22:04
Originally by: Bosie
Originally by: Kastar
It also doesn't help that the president over there has the IQ of a wet towel 
Being thick and playing thick are two different things.
Hes not that good of an actor.
Bush didnt get to power by being clever, he got to power on account of being the son of a billionare and the fact that he lead one of the dirtiest smear campagns in history and the fact that he is a puppet of a network of superrich, which have the perfect business model if it just werent that bloody.
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.08.27 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kastar
Edited by: Kastar on 27/08/2007 12:07:06
Originally by: Cornucopian
I bet it is.
USA teaches nothing of the rest of the world to it's kids. No global history, no global topography, they're famous for it.
foreign knowledge just isnt something USA focuses on. it's a well known phenomenon that the most powerful nation in the world doesnt GIVE jack, or KNOW jack about the rest of the world 
Just an honest question, but what do kids spend their time at school at then ? We saw the complete world history in detail in about two years ( 2h of history/week, US history being only a fraction of that, honestly a week's work) + we have to learn at least 2 foreign languages from the moment we enter the first grade ...
Out of curiosity, What is teached, how many hours exactly of what in a random grade, let's say highschool, first year.
As I gather, US highschools arent of a very high standard: people who have done both european and US schools agree to that. Higher education is for scholarship and rich people ONLY. Now, my GF went to John Jays this year for a semester to study for criminology Master and US higher education seems to be double edged sword: It's not really difficult, but you have a LOT of work to do. It's vastly more practical than theoretical (this obviously depends on which school you go to and WHAT you study.)
In most European countries you can go to college for $1500 a year (in some vastly less than that, or a little more) apart from that: American history is taught of course, and intensively during elemntary education. The focus is different: I bet any american worth his salt can review the entire civil war for you, name all founding fathers and rant off all, what is it, 51?? states, with their capitals.
I mean, go to washington and just LOOK at an entire city created to honor a country 300 years old, with marble palaces for presidents who did a lot of nothing (some, not all). I cant recall which prezy got it, but theres this marble mausoleuom type thing which takes a half an hour to see for a president I haven't even heard of (wandered through it a few years ago). Things like the washington mem, lincoln mem, vietnam mem etc I get...these are memorials for true statesmen and impactful events: but washington is SO much bigger than those famous landmarks. The entire city was designed from the bottom up to woo foreigners to the glory that is the USA. that in itself is a feat: washington as a WHOLE should go on the list of world wonders imho.
basically the general consensus is that by concentrating mainly on national history and events, USA citizens are 'taught' not to know or care about the rest of the world.
disclaimer: all of the above are of course opinions. I am NOT stating any of this as fact. Any americans care to reply to this generally civilized thread, and/or my post?
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Posted - 2007.08.27 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Kastar
Edited by: Kastar on 27/08/2007 12:07:06
Originally by: Cornucopian
I bet it is.
USA teaches nothing of the rest of the world to it's kids. No global history, no global topography, they're famous for it.
foreign knowledge just isnt something USA focuses on. it's a well known phenomenon that the most powerful nation in the world doesnt GIVE jack, or KNOW jack about the rest of the world
Just an honest question, but what do kids spend their time at school at then ? We saw the complete world history in detail in about two years ( 2h of history/week, US history being only a fraction of that, honestly a week's work) + we have to learn at least 2 foreign languages from the moment we enter the first grade ...
Out of curiosity, What is teached, how many hours exactly of what in a random grade, let's say highschool, first year.
As I gather, US highschools arent of a very high standard: people who have done both european and US schools agree to that. Higher education is for scholarship and rich people ONLY. Now, my GF went to John Jays this year for a semester to study for criminology Master and US higher education seems to be double edged sword: It's not really difficult, but you have a LOT of work to do. It's vastly more practical than theoretical (this obviously depends on which school you go to and WHAT you study.)
In most European countries you can go to college for $1500 a year (in some vastly less than that, or a little more) apart from that: American history is taught of course, and intensively during elemntary education. The focus is different: I bet any american worth his salt can review the entire civil war for you, name all founding fathers and rant off all, what is it, 51?? states, with their capitals.
I mean, go to washington and just LOOK at an entire city created to honor a country 300 years old, with marble palaces for presidents who did a lot of nothing (some, not all). I cant recall which prezy got it, but theres this marble mausoleuom type thing which takes a half an hour to see for a president I haven't even heard of (wandered through it a few years ago). Things like the washington mem, lincoln mem, vietnam mem etc I get...these are memorials for true statesmen and impactful events: but washington is SO much bigger than those famous landmarks. The entire city was designed from the bottom up to woo foreigners to the glory that is the USA. that in itself is a feat: washington as a WHOLE should go on the list of world wonders imho.
basically the general consensus is that by concentrating mainly on national history and events, USA citizens are 'taught' not to know or care about the rest of the world.
disclaimer: all of the above are of course opinions. I am NOT stating any of this as fact. Any americans care to reply to this generally civilized thread, and/or my post?
Agreed on all accounts.
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Cornucopian
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Posted - 2007.08.27 13:43:00 -
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I edited my last post for some extra info. I had even more but my 4000 charachters were gone before I could blink.... oh well... yay to the wall of text :-)
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Safaomae on 27/08/2007 14:02:01
no way that can be true, as funny as it is
for one thing, most world maps in the US have the US in the middle (as opposed to europe, like here in the UK, and probably the rest of europe)
I wonder... do the chinese or anyone else shift the world map round a bit so they're in the middle?
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Cornucopian
Gallente
Dutch Omega
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Safaomae
no way that can be true, as funny as it is
for one thing, most world maps in the US have the US in the middle (as opposed to europe, like here in the UK)
I wonder... do the chinese or anyone else shift the world map round a bit so they're in the middle?
historically MOST civilizations did this. I studied history for a few years and have seen American, European, turkish, Chinese, Japanese and even Thai (back in the day when thailand had this awesome empire) maps that centre the world on the homeland :-)
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Safaomae
Edited by: Safaomae on 27/08/2007 14:02:01
no way that can be true, as funny as it is
for one thing, most world maps in the US have the US in the middle (as opposed to europe, like here in the UK, and probably the rest of europe)
Not from what i've seen. Usually you see the atlantic Ocean in the middle. Europe/asia on one side, US on the other.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Safaomae
Edited by: Safaomae on 27/08/2007 14:02:01
no way that can be true, as funny as it is
for one thing, most world maps in the US have the US in the middle (as opposed to europe, like here in the UK, and probably the rest of europe)
I wonder... do the chinese or anyone else shift the world map round a bit so they're in the middle?
Most world maps are usually centered on the Prime Meridian which goes through London, with the borders of the map being at the International Date Line. At least, thats what I remember.
Anyways, I don't blame the American education system expressly. The information was there, as were the maps...I just think that the majority of the people here just don't really care, so they forget about it and don't let it trouble them.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:54:00 -
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How many times must we show this stupid video?
And for the record I would bet $1,000,000 that I could take a camcorder, go to ANY country, and get the same results. How? Because I would ask a ton of people then take the dumbest outtakes and make my video and just leave the smart ones out. oooh, hard.
Please, if any of ya'all actually believe that the US is THIS dumb then you have simply fallen into the gullible category.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:57:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
How many times must we show this stupid video?
And for the record I would bet $1,000,000 that I could take a camcorder, go to ANY country, and get the same results. How? Because I would ask a ton of people then take the dumbest outtakes and make my video and just leave the smart ones out. oooh, hard.
Please, if any of ya'all actually believe that the US is THIS dumb then you have simply fallen into the gullible category.
I honestly think you would have a very hard time finding a grownup in Sweden who doesnt know where Sweden is on the map. Close to impossible. :)
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Posted - 2007.08.27 14:57:00 -
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I still meet americans now and then that names switzerland as sweden. I was in dublin many years ago and met a girl whom thought i was norweigian, i told her i was from sweden and she looked at me blankly.
To her there was nothing after norway, she knew where that was and where finland where.
But sweden nope, did'nt exsist up by norway
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
How many times must we show this stupid video?
And for the record I would bet $1,000,000 that I could take a camcorder, go to ANY country, and get the same results. How? Because I would ask a ton of people then take the dumbest outtakes and make my video and just leave the smart ones out. oooh, hard.
Please, if any of ya'all actually believe that the US is THIS dumb then you have simply fallen into the gullible category.
I'm not sure that you would find enough tards in the Vatican 
If you want results, go to France
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:14:00 -
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watch out the **** like patroits of america will invade this thread soon
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Cornucopian
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Rana Ash
I still meet americans now and then that names switzerland as sweden. I was in dublin many years ago and met a girl whom thought i was norweigian, i told her i was from sweden and she looked at me blankly.
To her there was nothing after norway, she knew where that was and where finland where.
But sweden nope, did'nt exsist up by norway
to be totally honest and fair to the US, a lot of Europeans have trouble with the baltic/nordic states. I personally ALWAYS confuse sweden and finland. Also the capitals Oslo, Helsinki and Stockholm: I always muddle those three up.
correct me please:
from west to east: norway, sweden, finland right?
capitals, west to east: oslo, stockholm, helsinki ?
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Rhyming Space Whores
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Rana Ash
I still meet americans now and then that names switzerland as sweden. I was in dublin many years ago and met a girl whom thought i was norweigian, i told her i was from sweden and she looked at me blankly.
To her there was nothing after norway, she knew where that was and where finland where.
But sweden nope, did'nt exsist up by norway
I've met spanish people that thought the same; Sweden = Switzerland, so tbh it's not only americans that mix up our countries 
I think we had to learn where all countries are (plus all the big lakes, all the big river and capitals) in middle school (4th to 6th grade), I can still remember the sheets we got... One for Europe, one for Africa, one for North America and so on.
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Safaomae
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
Originally by: Safaomae
no way that can be true, as funny as it is
for one thing, most world maps in the US have the US in the middle (as opposed to europe, like here in the UK)
I wonder... do the chinese or anyone else shift the world map round a bit so they're in the middle?
historically MOST civilizations did this. I studied history for a few years and have seen American, European, turkish, Chinese, Japanese and even Thai (back in the day when thailand had this awesome empire) maps that centre the world on the homeland :-)
I thought that would be the case
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Captain Hudson
Caldari
Intergalactic Space Defense Force
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:23:00 -
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best bit is when americans go.. 'if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking german!' --- NO i dont think so
Originally by: SPQRMocton
We would love to have a bunch of teenage pimple boys with no real pvp ability to fil our corpse yards
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:28:00 -
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The sad part is that geography is not even our worst subject. History is!
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:38:00 -
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1) Americans know nothing of the rest of the world.
2) Americans vote for people who meddle with the rest of the world all day long.
No one seeing anything wrong with this picture? If this patriotism and nationalism is 'ingrained' i really hope they revert to a protectionist economy and keep all their politicians inside their own borders and in asylums.
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Reiisha
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
How many times must we show this stupid video?
And for the record I would bet $1,000,000 that I could take a camcorder, go to ANY country, and get the same results. How? Because I would ask a ton of people then take the dumbest outtakes and make my video and just leave the smart ones out. oooh, hard.
Please, if any of ya'all actually believe that the US is THIS dumb then you have simply fallen into the gullible category.
As far as i know, world geography is taught in elementary school and early classes of middle school in pretty much every European country. You'd have a very hard time finding people here who don't know where their own country is.
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Tabula Rasa Systems
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Cornucopian
I bet it is.
USA teaches nothing of the rest of the world to it's kids. No global history, no global topography, they're famous for it.
I mean, even the NY Times only has 1 page on foreign affairs, most of which centres on Iraq: and that publication is supposed to be of extremely high quality (I'm sure it IS quality stuff, as far as the USA is concerned). American policy creates an inwards view.
foreign knowledge just isnt something USA focuses on. it's a well known phenomenon that the most powerful nation in the world doesnt GIVE jack, or KNOW jack about the rest of the world
Unfortunately, this really is the case.
World history and geography are the only two classes in high school I had re: the world at large. Its crazy to think we don't need to know jack about the rest of the world, especially as we're the biggest target in the world and we're now very dependent on places like Europe, China, Japan, and the like.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Thorliaron
watch out the **** like patroits of america will invade this thread soon
And if someone insults your country you would just lay down and take it I bet.
And for Sweden and the vaticans, if you guys have the cash to front for the bet we'll make a contract and I'll get my passport. It would seriously be the easiest mil I've ever made. And using the hollywood secrets I can guruantee you that I'll find enough people
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Posted - 2007.08.27 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 27/08/2007 16:12:37
Originally by: Reiisha
1) Americans know nothing of the rest of the world.
2) Americans vote for people who meddle with the rest of the world all day long.
No one seeing anything wrong with this picture? If this patriotism and nationalism is 'ingrained' i really hope they revert to a protectionist economy and keep all their politicians inside their own borders and in asylums.
Not true, most of the people I know hate bush's policies. We think he's a dumbass here as much, or even more, then any of you guys. The only reason he got re-elected was because of a bunch of religious nutcases down south, and dumbasses who blindly vote for a party all the time every time without care of the actual issues. I don't even think those types of people support him anymore after this last term.
P.S. I wasn't old enough to vote when he was re-elected, and if I was I wouldn't have voted for him.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Thorliaron
watch out the **** like patroits of america will invade this thread soon
And if someone insults your country you would just lay down and take it I bet.
And for Sweden and the vaticans, if you guys have the cash to front for the bet we'll make a contract and I'll get my passport. It would seriously be the easiest mil I've ever made. And using the hollywood secrets I can guruantee you that I'll find enough people
Thorliaron is a troll alt. He's also the kid who thinks the dollar:yen exchange rate is 1:1 (he posted this in another thread about 1 week ago).
And when some english bubblehead starts busting your balls about the educational system in the states, just point them in this direction.
on another note: i find the video hilarious. especially the other 4 parts.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 16:51:00 -
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There are a number of problems with education in the United States combined with a few external forces that combine for some rather awful results.
1) We have the teacher's unions in the US which are the scourge of our education system. It is too much to detail here (literally books written on the subject) but it is plain to see the effect they have. Most notably their protection schemes allow simply awful teachers to remain in place.
2) School boards run by the community often sway the education system in very unhealthy ways. Rather than having a national education policy the education criteria can shift from one school district to the next. This is where you get things like Intelligent Design being forcibly foisted upon school systems and makes for a very uneven education across the United States.
3) Parents are also every bit as much to blame. There are some good parents out there to be sure but all too many poor ones who are wrapped up in their own whatever rather than focusing on their children and their education. Further, and I personally know a few teachers who all confirm this, parents will FORCE teachers into passing their little dumb fuc-. Mom will not pay attention till her little spawn returns with a failing grade and then positively nuke the teacher and Principal till it gets changed (I have seen this happen time and again...school board hires Principal, Principal caves in the interest of keeping his/her job, teacher is forced to change grade).
4) School funding is HIGHLY uneven. There is a huge stratification between the have's and the have nots. This is due to local communities supporting local schools. Wealthy communities have far better schools. Poor communities are screwed.
5) Policies of Social Promotion. This goes in part with #3 but is actually a policy some places (although less so these days I believe because it is so awful). Basically the notion that a child will live with a stigma if held back for failing so it is better to just move them along (particularly in overcrowded schools). So the idiots advance and of course the problem snowballs.
6) Mandatory testing. In the interests of stopping social promotion and to better guage teacher performance many places now force mandatory tests to assess a student's progress. Teachers are held accountable for their students' performance. As a result teachers now teach the test. This of course means the students learn almost nothing except how to pass a given test. Like taking one of those classes that prepares you for your college entrance exams.
7) By virtue of geography itself US citizens are just less cognizant of the outside world. Europeans are used to living on each other's doorstep. For most Europeans to go to another country probably takes little more than a 1-2 hour drive at most. In the US that might get you out of your state to the next state. The vast majority of Americans are simply not exposed to foreigners on anything like a regular basis. Not that it is ok but it naturally allows a mindset of, "There are other places out there?" Europeans on the other hand are much more aware of their neighbors and what they are up to since they actually SEE them. Not to mention having two massive wars in the last century has taught them to be a bit more careful into paying attention to what is going on around them. Hard lesson that but there just the same.
A poster earlier was taking issue with education funding in the US versus spending on things like our military. It should be noted that currently the US spends far more per student than any country in the world. And we get a helluva lot less for it. The US does NOT need to spend more money on education. It needs to reform the entire system. Take it out of the hands of local school boards and raze teacher unions.
P.S. I highly recommend a subscription to The Economist magazine for all my fellow Americans. Good stuff.
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Micheal Dietrich
Cynical Cartel
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Posted - 2007.08.27 16:59:00 -
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Originally by: Epoch
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Thorliaron
watch out the **** like patroits of america will invade this thread soon
And if someone insults your country you would just lay down and take it I bet.
And for Sweden and the vaticans, if you guys have the cash to front for the bet we'll make a contract and I'll get my passport. It would seriously be the easiest mil I've ever made. And using the hollywood secrets I can guruantee you that I'll find enough people
Thorliaron is a troll alt. He's also the kid who thinks the dollar:yen exchange rate is 1:1 (he posted this in another thread about 1 week ago).
And when some english bubblehead starts busting your balls about the educational system in the states, just point them in this direction.
on another note: i find the video hilarious. especially the other 4 parts.
Yeah I realized he was a troll after I posted this when I saw his parrot-like responces in other threads dealing with the US.
And I find the video funny too but I'm one of the few who knows how it's really setup. It's like the 'reality' shows which couldn't be further from the truth. I know that the US doesn't have the best schooling system but naturally everyone is trying to make it sound worse than it really is.
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Dark Skyes
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Posted - 2007.08.27 17:18:00 -
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Americans not dumb LMAO
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Frezik
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.27 17:44:00 -
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Once you ditch states like Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, etc., the US IQ average skyrockets.
In other words, South, please, secede again. Nobody will stop you this time.
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Sharupak
Minmatar
Knights Of the Black Sun
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.27 17:52:00 -
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Linkage
Here is a brief history of modern institutinalized public education. America is no different than any others. However, the document lies a little bit...
The PURPOSE of it was to MAKE BETTER THINKING SOLDIERS. Its not really education, its actually indoctrination. I believe America actually spends the most money per capita than any other nation in education (If not, I know we are right up there). Our educational system is modified a bit to crank out corporate henchmen as well as effective soldiers. Our educational system is working as intended and the people that run it are getting a fabulous ROI.
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Posted - 2007.08.27 18:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jastra
The BBC news these days teaches you very little, if thats your only eye into the world then you have a tiny view on world events, I don't see how the USA is so very different from that, I suspect the only reason UK news screened the shuttle landing this time was in case it blew up, I can remember many previous landing when they didnt even bother showing it, much of the rest of it seems to be adverts for other programmes, and SKY news simply shows the same news as BBC, god forbid they should compete and try and show something interesting. 24 hour news has been a disaster for news reporting IMO, we no longer report news, we just report life or more likely, celebrity, what happened to a story being newsworthy ?
Watching European news is an eye opener, you get a lot of news from a lot of Euro countries and further out that are just never mentioned on UK news, so I wouldnt hold us up as paragons. I'd be interested to watch Indian or Chinese, or Iraq news and see the difference.
I never watch BBC myself, but I don't believe other European news on tv is much better. I'm pretty sure that at least in the Netherlands it isn't. Personally I think that education and public tv (atleast most european countries actually DO have tv that isn't directly commercial) could be a lot better here too. And I'm often a bit shocked by people's unawareness of the world around them here too, it's not that they're stupid really, sometimes they're even a lot smarter than me, I guess it has a lot to do with different interests and I've been interrested in other countries/cultures and history since I was really young.
But back to the news topic. There's this believe that watching news is good for you, but I actually pretty much disagree with that. I think that by only watching the news you'll get a very flawed view of the world, espescially with the one-sided crap of Fox News/CNN (English Al-Jazeera is seriously a bit better than that) with journalists copying eachother. News-journals are always very short too and you simply can't explain a conflict in less than 20 seconds. There are some good documentaries/books about this too. From jumping to "news" to "news" you often get a very biased flawed view of things. It's much better to just read some background articles and watch a good documentary every now and then.
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