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Aisha's Vengence
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:03:00 -
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With the introduction of hybrid turrets that don't suck are all missiles finally obsolete? They have been surpassed in all areas (DPS, Range, Alpha). |
Takeshi Yamato
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:05:00 -
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No, missiles are popular and successful in PvP. Not on the BS level unfortunately. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:10:00 -
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No, they aren't useless. IMO HML are still the most powerful BC sized weapon.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:11:00 -
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They still project damage better than any other weapon system, delayed though it may be. There's also the whole selectable damage type thing, or at least on ships with a global bonus and not just kinetic. |
Aisha's Vengence
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:18:00 -
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Well... |
Ines Tegator
Towels R Us
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:35:00 -
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They are still the only weapon with total damage type selection. Also, they are immune to tracking penalties in exchange for a raw target speed penalty, which gives them different functionality.
The delay is the only reason they suffer in pvp, and in most small gang ranges (<30km) that's not an issue. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:35:00 -
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Fronkfurter McSheebleton wrote:They still project damage better than any other weapon system, delayed though it may be. There's also the whole selectable damage type thing, or at least on ships with a global bonus and not just kinetic.
You can also use the Doppler effect to temporarily and artificially increase your DPS. Works best with bombers.
-Liang
Ed: Also, just because you don't get a damage bonus to a particular damage type doesn't mean it isn't the best damage option sometimes. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:36:00 -
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Missile are great especially Heay Missiles.
Shame their is no effective Cruise Missile Platform for PvP though.
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Aisha's Vengence
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:38:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:No, they aren't useless. IMO HML are still the most powerful BC sized weapon.
-Liang
Right OK so tell us when it would be a better idea to undock in drake rather than say a Talos |
Grimpak
Midnight Elites Echelon Rising
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:40:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:No, they aren't useless. IMO HML are still the most powerful BC sized weapon.
-Liang Right OK so tell us when it would be a better idea to undock in drake rather than say a Talos
when you're facing anything smaller than a drake? [img]http://eve-files.com/sig/grimpak[/img]
[quote]The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.[/quote] ain't that right |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:42:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:No, they aren't useless. IMO HML are still the most powerful BC sized weapon.
-Liang Right OK so tell us when it would be a better idea to undock in drake rather than say a Talos
Generally speaking, any time you need a tank or need to project your damage beyond ~30km. Also, Large guns are not Medium guns, if you catch my drift. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:43:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Aisha's Vengence wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:No, they aren't useless. IMO HML are still the most powerful BC sized weapon.
-Liang Right OK so tell us when it would be a better idea to undock in drake rather than say a Talos Generally speaking, any time you need a tank or need to project your damage beyond ~30km. Also, Large guns are not Medium guns, if you catch my drift. :) -Liang
Naga is better |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:44:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Aisha's Vengence wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:No, they aren't useless. IMO HML are still the most powerful BC sized weapon.
-Liang Right OK so tell us when it would be a better idea to undock in drake rather than say a Talos Generally speaking, any time you need a tank or need to project your damage beyond ~30km. Also, Large guns are not Medium guns, if you catch my drift. :) -Liang Naga is better
rofl,no. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:46:00 -
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Oh and a bunch of numbers that people assume are right trumps the actual in game performance too, amirite? :) |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:47:00 -
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Feel free to bring your Naga to Amamake and I'll illustrate for you why its not superior to a Drake.
-Liang
Ed: And in case you missed it, I haven't said anything about theory or EFT in this thread. Trying to throw my "numbers" back in my teeth is pretty ******* hilarious. :) Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:47:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote: Naga is better
Heh.
List of the top 20 Ships to do Dmg on Killmails this month.
1 Drake 84296 2 Maelstrom 70958 3 Tengu 60433 4 Hurricane 54748 5 Abaddon 38863 6 Armageddon 34128 7 Tornado 23044 8 Scimitar 17840 9 Tempest 17702 10 Sabre 15015 11 Zealot 14547 12 Huginn 12059 13 Cynabal 10965 14 Hound 10490 15 Loki 10385 16 Manticore 10245 17 Vagabond 9656 18 Rapier 9327 19 Rifter 8833 20 Lachesis 8763
Looks like no one else got the message.
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Drug Dealah
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:49:00 -
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EVE forums is so easy to troll it's not even funny. |
Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:50:00 -
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No, the kind of claims I am making come from actual combat... which is slightly different than nice theoretical situations where everyone orbits in nice pretty perfect circles... |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:51:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote:No, the kind of claims I am making come from actual combat... which is slightly different than nice theoretical situations where everyone orbits in nice pretty perfect circles...
Two things: - Post With Your Main - Cool, come to Amamake and show me how superior your Naga is. :)
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:53:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Aisha's Vengence wrote:No, the kind of claims I am making come from actual combat... which is slightly different than nice theoretical situations where everyone orbits in nice pretty perfect circles... Two things: - Post With Your Main - Cool, come to Amamake and show me how superior your Naga is. :) -Liang
Frankly, all this attacking someone who has to ~come to Amamake~ is a red herring to the point i'm trying to make: in actual combat these ships are ******* pathetic. Maybe if you guys would stop trying to attack my argument on the basis of ~math~ you might see why the ~math~ actually supports it? |
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Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:55:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote: Frankly, all this attacking someone who has to ~come to Amamake~ is a red herring to the point i'm trying to make: in actual combat these ships are ******* pathetic. Maybe if you guys would stop trying to attack my argument on the basis of ~math~ you might see why the ~math~ actually supports it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OdXx8KgnOU Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:56:00 -
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No one flies the drake because it has a 'good tank'.. lol. So that leaves with you 'more versatile'. Which isn't really saying anything other than it can fit a neut. Which a Curse does much better so it doesn't really have a role there. I guess it can kill frigs good. But so can frigs, destroyers, and cruisers.
Missiles are pointless. |
Large Collidable Object
morons.
951
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Posted - 2012.01.15 20:57:00 -
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Hi Cyzlaki :) morons- sting like a butterfly and-ápost like a bee. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:00:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote:No one flies the drake because it has a 'good tank'.. lol. So that leaves with you 'more versatile'. Which isn't really saying anything other than it can fit a neut. Which a Curse does much better so it doesn't really have a role there. I guess it can kill frigs good. But so can frigs, destroyers, and cruisers.
Missiles are pointless.
lol. feel free to think so m8 you're hurting nobody but yourself Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:06:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Aisha's Vengence wrote:No one flies the drake because it has a 'good tank'.. lol. So that leaves with you 'more versatile'. Which isn't really saying anything other than it can fit a neut. Which a Curse does much better so it doesn't really have a role there. I guess it can kill frigs good. But so can frigs, destroyers, and cruisers.
Missiles are pointless. lol. feel free to think so m8 you're hurting nobody but yourself
Yeah, I'm an idiot because I play the game and know what I'm talking about instead of arguing useless theoretical math formulas on a forum. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:07:00 -
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Aisha's Vengence wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Aisha's Vengence wrote:No one flies the drake because it has a 'good tank'.. lol. So that leaves with you 'more versatile'. Which isn't really saying anything other than it can fit a neut. Which a Curse does much better so it doesn't really have a role there. I guess it can kill frigs good. But so can frigs, destroyers, and cruisers.
Missiles are pointless. lol. feel free to think so m8 you're hurting nobody but yourself Yeah, I'm an idiot because I play the game and know what I'm talking about instead of arguing useless theoretical math formulas on a forum.
The more you shiptoast the more I lol, just thought you'd want to know. Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:13:00 -
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Then maybe you could say something like "I agree - these ships are bad! But your math is off because of X, Y, and Z"
Instead you said: "What? The ships are so awesome and good to fly and and and and and". I should probably go back and see all the arguments you've made against the topic instead of against the person. |
Liang Nuren
Heretic Army Heretic Nation
581
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:19:00 -
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I wonder how long you can keep this up? It amuses me to know that my ranting about people being EFT warriors has gotten so deeply under people's skin. Maybe it'll mean you guys start playing the game?
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Aisha's Vengence
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:26:00 -
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Should I post a fraps of me active tanking a raven, drake, and caracal with 5 neuts on me? Should I post a video of taking one damage from missiles and tackling him anyway? Should I post a video of me fitting properly to mitigate ecm?
Maybe I should post a video of a Tornado instantly alphaingout an entire enemy fleet the instant it lands on the field. Or maybe I should post a video of a Talos instantly blowing 5 people out of a close range fight...
Basically: No. You are wrong. |
DaRiKavus
Expendable Asset's
7
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Posted - 2012.01.15 21:29:00 -
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Have i missed a RL patch or something here.
Since when did any ship type insantly become +£ber just because it can deal more paper dps.
To the OP, although not my fave BC (due to my playstyle more than anything) a Drake is a very welcome addition to a gang IMHO.
Able to project damage a decent distance, push kiting ships away from your gang, provide heavy tackle under gate guns as well as being able to fit it for Nano with HAM's and a command link I like it. Yeah x or y ship may do certain aspects better but with a bit of creative thinking a Drake is a decent Weapon platform.
Again apologies if I dont answer anyones post quoting me its either I dont agree with you are you are talking s**t.
Bless your face,
Darik 07
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