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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 00:55:00 -
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As the temporary caretaker of the EVE Influence Map, I am establishing a new thread for it to keep the tracking issues separate from the original creator's (Paladin Vent) thread since his map is currently not being updated.
Curious what the EVE Influence map is? Read below for Paladin's description
Originally by: Paladin Vent My purpose was to create an objective, unbiased political map of the EVE. The map, that will not base on someoneÆs thoughts and opinions, but only on public facts, such as sovereignty of the solar systems.
Each claimed solar system emits its influence to the nearest space. The system with outpost emits 6 times more influence than regular claimed one. The system with greater sovereignty level emits the more influence. The amount of the influence is reducing proportional to the square distance from the emitting system. For every point of map the summary influence of all alliances is calculated and the territory lays claim to the most influencing alliance.
Moreover, influence is spreading through the jump gates to the neighbors' systems. After each jump influence value decreased by 70%. All systems that get influence from the star gate spread also begin to emit it in space (Systems can emit influence for different alliances concurrently).
The systems, claimed by NPC are also emitting a little ôempireö influence, so the alliances canÆt claim their territory.
Just think that influence is water and color on map is steam. This should clarify the idea of the map.
Map is fully generated by the Java program. No editions were made to it by the human hands. Some of the alliances donÆt appear on the map, because their influence is to low to overwhelm their big influencing neighbor.
The original map code is under a BSD license, I will be releasing an updated version of it complete with the DB and tools soon.
The latest version of the map: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
History of the previous versions: Map archive
The map updated every day.
Please read this before post a reply: 1. This is not a war map. It'll not display any conflicts or ship loss. 2. This is not a coalition map. It's colored for viability, not for the relationship between various groups. 2. This is not an exact political map. Some systems and even outposts claimed by one alliance may appear on the territory of the other alliance, which is dominating here by influence. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:01:00 -
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Yay, the name issue is fixed. \o/ Thanks for this. ---
Grismar.net |
Krychton
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:02:00 -
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Nice work, glad you picked up where Paladin left off. ----
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1v1
Cake Factory
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:04:00 -
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Keep up the great work.
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Mr Broker
Station Gremlings
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:08:00 -
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you rock
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:28:00 -
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A couple of notes for the curious:
1. I've worked out an auto-pilot for generating map and even a way to upload it to EVE-Files, so the map should build and upload itself even in my absence (resolving any possible repeat of the Paladin issue) once I start using the auto-pilot. Maps would go up at 14:00-15:00 or so since the whole thing counts on EVE working, and the map for the day may be incorrect until I manually go over it should EVE be misbehaving that day.
2. In the source code release, besides the source code for the Java map generator, the code for all of my data parsing tools(C++) will be released, the auto-pilot batch file, as will an outdated copy of the EVE DB tables needed to build the map. Also included will be a manual explaining how everything works together and any important things you need to know in setting up your own map. It will be BYOE(bring your own executable) for the 3rd party tools I'm using (MySQL, cURL, and wget) and to make this map you'll need to know a thing or two about MySQL.
3. For those concerned about alliance names covering up each other I've stopped working on it for now. It's a really minor problem and fixing it causes problems for the smaller alliances. If you want to fix it yourself, I recommend installing an outpost.
4. Just like Paladin, I'm not psychic when it comes to outposts since there's no API for listing outposts. I'm using the EVE Strategic Maps data (thanks again Serenity Steele) but that's only updated periodically. So if you add a new outpost, please let me know.
5. Things to do: add a legend.
6. Questions/comments/concerns? Feel free to post something in here. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
1v1
Cake Factory
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:34:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition A couple of notes for the curious:
1. I've worked out an auto-pilot for generating map and even a way to upload it to EVE-Files, so the map should build and upload itself even in my absence (resolving any possible repeat of the Paladin issue) once I start using the auto-pilot. Maps would go up at 14:00-15:00 or so since the whole thing counts on EVE working, and the map for the day may be incorrect until I manually go over it should EVE be misbehaving that day.
2. In the source code release, besides the source code for the Java map generator, the code for all of my data parsing tools(C++) will be released, the auto-pilot batch file, as will an outdated copy of the EVE DB tables needed to build the map. Also included will be a manual explaining how everything works together and any important things you need to know in setting up your own map. It will be BYOE(bring your own executable) for the 3rd party tools I'm using (MySQL, cURL, and wget) and to make this map you'll need to know a thing or two about MySQL.
3. For those concerned about alliance names covering up each other I've stopped working on it for now. It's a really minor problem and fixing it causes problems for the smaller alliances. If you want to fix it yourself, I recommend installing an outpost.
4. Just like Paladin, I'm not psychic when it comes to outposts since there's no API for listing outposts. I'm using the EVE Strategic Maps data (thanks again Serenity Steele) but that's only updated periodically. So if you add a new outpost, please let me know.
5. Things to do: add a legend.
6. Questions/comments/concerns? Feel free to post something in here.
So the automated map really becomes.. automated! Never again will we have to scream and complain about the lack of daily updates.
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ForumPosterAlt
HERRO KITTY
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:35:00 -
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Release the program you use to make them.
Because posting on the forums is serious business. |
Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:35:00 -
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Awsome job man! Keep up the good work.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: 1v1
So the automated map really becomes.. automated! Never again will we have to scream and complain about the lack of daily updates.
Only to the extent that it draws itself. Eventually it would become outdated as outposts are added, jumps are moved, regions are adjusted, CCP breaks things, Chirbba updates EVE-files, etc. Basically this allows me to leave on vacation (woohoo PAX) for a few days while the map takes care of itself and/or let the map update while I'm sleeping so that you guys don't have to wait until 20:00 or later.
Hopefully at some point CCP will add an API for pulling a list of outposts which is the only significant concern I have right now. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
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Frothgar
Caldari coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:44:00 -
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Thanks for picking this up. Things were getting pretty boring with the best updated map being MIA.
<3 <3 <3 <3
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Dave White
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:50:00 -
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Good stuff
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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Kadarin
Momentum. The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 01:52:00 -
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Excellent work! You should release your source code in the case that you have to leave for whatever reason.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.19 02:46:00 -
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Can Exuro Mortis please be coloured pink?
And nice one on carrying it on. I love checking this map out \o/
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew everywhere! |
Jomin Herdsy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 02:49:00 -
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You should make individual powerblocs a uniform colour. |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 19/08/2007 03:01:39 Edited by: Verite Rendition on 19/08/2007 03:00:57
Originally by: Jomin Herdsy You should make individual powerblocs a uniform colour.
Please read the notes, I'm not doing power blocs.
Originally by: Kadarin Excellent work! You should release your source code in the case that you have to leave for whatever reason.
It'll be released within a week.
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Can Exuro Mortis please be coloured pink?
Are you an EM diplomat? ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Righteous Fury
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.19 04:02:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Can Exuro Mortis please be coloured pink?
Are you an EM diplomat?
Pink is fine, if you can be bothered.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: Righteous Fury
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien Can Exuro Mortis please be coloured pink?
Are you an EM diplomat?
Pink is fine, if you can be bothered.
Alright, I'll give you guys the old Corelium pink. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.08.19 05:04:00 -
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Verite, I mailed you a small code addition that "might" solve the adjacent title overlaping problem. Or at least, reduce its occurance.
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Xrensa
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.19 05:38:00 -
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Nice work! It even has the little stuff like the one system beachhead RA has in R97!
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UBERSOLDAT
Grave Diggers Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.08.19 06:44:00 -
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Magnifecent job Verite.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 07:05:00 -
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New colortest, the following alliances get new colors (this should be the last of the color changes for legibility): Exuro Mortis, Aftermath Alliance (sorry guys, didn't see you blending in to EC), Ka-Tet, Oxide (so that you don't blend in with DMC so much).
The autopilot is in charge tomorrow, if the map isn't updated by 15:20 it probably slammed in to the side of a mountain. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.19 08:04:00 -
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Verite, you rocks!!!!!!!!
Always knew your carebear ass was good for something
for the record verite didnt give me 7 wcs to escape a BE gate camp. I do not use stabs, that would be wrong.
also there are no goons, goodbye
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Sleyn Peade
Twilight Fleet
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Posted - 2007.08.19 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition .....counts on EVE working
Please gimme a pipe of whatever it is YOU'RE smoking if you think that ain't gonna be a problem (I know it's a minor thing, but I can't help point it out )
But even with that, a bit TY for your job (*crowd going wild, cheering*), helps us empire whñres to stay a bit "in" on what happens in 0.0, without having to read several CAOD threads (and thereby loose the precious remains of our sanity)
I've also noticed btw, that the lower part of the........UUA-F4-region the tanis/dev alliance is in, is covered with some pure influence. Shouldn't those systems be emitting NPC-sov influence to push it off, or does that irritate the already-insignificant-and-irrelevant tanis influence up there?
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.19 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jomin Herdsy You should make individual powerblocs a uniform colour.
No!
1) The map will quickly become very unreadable.
2) If a powerblock breaks up you need to switch colours all over which is really bad for comparing older maps with new ones.
One thing would be really really nice. If someone could write a little program which makes an animation based on the changes in sov. That would look so cooool! Sadly I am not at all competent enough to do such a thing or I would do it.
Great thing that the op took up the code and continues to release the maps every day now. Thanks!
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2007.08.19 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition
4. Just like Paladin, I'm not psychic when it comes to outposts since there's no API for listing outposts. I'm using the EVE Strategic Maps data (thanks again Serenity Steele) but that's only updated periodically. So if you add a new outpost, please let me know.
Contact me in-game, I can give you a XML feed for all outposts incl. ownership, so you can automate it.
The feed has ownership of outposts updated daily and new outposts added as people inform me, with a complete check of all regions typically once per week.
Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert - Sovereign Systems - Alliance Rank |
Lasakywa
Aeden Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.19 21:30:00 -
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Very nice job, nicely done.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.19 22:17:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 19/08/2007 22:19:21
Originally by: Sleyn Peade
I've also noticed btw, that the lower part of the........UUA-F4-region the tanis/dev alliance is in, is covered with some pure influence. Shouldn't those systems be emitting NPC-sov influence to push it off, or does that irritate the already-insignificant-and-irrelevant tanis influence up there?
Ahh, good catch. Technically that region doesn't have anyone(alliance, NPC, or otherwise) claiming sov on the whole region, so it didn't get built in to the NPC tables. I'll see what I can do about assigning NPC influence there to ward off PURE, and I really am not concerned about Tanis since it's not a real player alliance.
Originally by: Gnulpie
One thing would be really really nice. If someone could write a little program which makes an animation based on the changes in sov. That would look so cooool! Sadly I am not at all competent enough to do such a thing or I would do it.
A true animated map would probably require a combination of dark magic and Flash, so I'm guessing something like that isn't likely to happen. However someone could easily take the influence map and make an animated PNG, GIF, Divx, etc out of it to make a crude sov movie. It's been done before. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Minas Reul
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.20 00:10:00 -
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Any chance you could change Iron back to the old blue shade (#243c7b); pink is a bit bleah.
Also, the inter-region jump lines are hard to see under Frege's colour (might just be me though).
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Lowanaera
Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.20 02:16:00 -
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Oh... oh my.... burnt orange
Seriously though, thank you for updating this.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 07:08:00 -
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Source code released.
IRON color change approved. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Marie Sklodowska
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.08.20 08:03:00 -
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Edited by: Marie Sklodowska on 20/08/2007 08:10:37 very nice work indeed. Thank you for picking up this task.
The only thing that's confusing me is the little smidgen of BoB blue in the middle of nowhere (between MC and FIX space, and it's actually below the "Pool of Radiance"). How is this possible? :)
I guess there really is no stopping BoB, they run out of solar systems so begin to claim empty voids of space :P
..and IAC/FIX regions remind me of Michelangelo's Sistine Chapel ceiling
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.20 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Marie Sklodowska Edited by: Marie Sklodowska on 20/08/2007 08:10:37The only thing that's confusing me is the little smidgen of BoB blue in the middle of nowhere (between MC and FIX space, and it's actually below the "Pool of Radiance"). How is this possible? :)
I'm guessing because the map calculates influence, rather than simply sovereignty. BoB has so much influence that it overtakes that space even though there's actually nothing there. :-P ---
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.20 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Patch86 on 20/08/2007 11:54:36
Originally by: Verite Rendition Source code released.
IRON color change approved.
OOI, is the new source code also under a BSD licence?
EDIT: Reading comprehension ftw --------
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Borg017
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.20 14:45:00 -
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Thanks for the time you put it Verite. Looks good . -----------------------------------------------
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Barry Cuda
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.08.20 14:56:00 -
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This has to be some new carebear scheme to make money.
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Ruban Spazmo
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Posted - 2007.08.20 17:01:00 -
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Looking great! thanks for putting the time into this Verite, its very much appreciated.
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Veng3ance
New Dawn Rising
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Posted - 2007.08.20 19:54:00 -
[38]
Sticky in the maps thread until Paladin comes back?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: cal nereus
Originally by: Marie Sklodowska Edited by: Marie Sklodowska on 20/08/2007 08:10:37The only thing that's confusing me is the little smidgen of BoB blue in the middle of nowhere (between MC and FIX space, and it's actually below the "Pool of Radiance"). How is this possible? :)
I'm guessing because the map calculates influence, rather than simply sovereignty. BoB has so much influence that it overtakes that space even though there's actually nothing there. :-P
Exactly. While influence dissipates quickly over space, BoB's core systems have a ton of it. The capital of a constellation has 180 points of influence(for reference, a single system with sov 1 has 10) on top of the additive influence of all their neighboring holdings. The result is a lot of influence on the map, which rightly represents just how much control of the area they have. So that blob over no space is a result of their influence radiating a great deal outwards, only to have pockets inside of it where MC and FIX's influence is enough to keep BoB from being awarded their systems on the map, while they don't have enough influence to stop BoB from radiating out towards that blob. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
5n4keyes
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 22:03:00 -
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Edited by: 5n4keyes on 20/08/2007 22:10:37 Erm... could be wrong, but i beleive the SQL file which is provided in the dump is a little naffed...
Appears to have bits of chineese chars randomly placed about in the sql, very pretty, much mysql really not liking...
Anyone else get this issue?
Edit: yep deffinatly corruption, getting ?s and .s where they arent ment to be...
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.20 23:29:00 -
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It's fine on my end. I even downloaded it again and opened it up in a normal text editor(instead of the MySQL Query Browser) and it's coming up as fine. No corruption, no odd characters. I'm not sure what's going on at your end. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Asriel Grumman
Hi-Tech Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.21 12:06:00 -
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Thank you so much for updating this, not reading the forums so much it gives us afk lot a rapid overview of state of play, cheers Visit the EvE Galactic Stock Exchange in game or out |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:14:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition A true animated map would probably require a combination of dark magic and Flash, so I'm guessing something like that isn't likely to happen. However someone could easily take the influence map and make an animated PNG, GIF, Divx, etc out of it to make a crude sov movie. It's been done before.
Easiest would be to setup a slideshow where its hosted to auto-generate from the contents of the map directory.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.22 01:20:00 -
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I've been saving influence maps from various days onto my computer. If I wasn't lazy, I could put them all into a slideshow and see how sovereignty has shifted over time. But I am lazy, so it won't happen. Nyah! ---
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.24 04:12:00 -
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Just a heads up: I'm on vacation, so the autopilot is in change. If anything goes wrong, well I may not be able to do anything about it. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
GroundZro
Caldari Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2007.08.24 07:03:00 -
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Edited by: GroundZro on 24/08/2007 07:03:01 Have a happy vacation!
Thanks for the Map!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.24 12:12:00 -
[47]
Have a good one Verite! --------
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TheAdj
World Order The Imperial Order
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Posted - 2007.08.24 21:56:00 -
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For when you get back from vacation, any chance you do can do something to fix my alliance being overwritten by DMC? They have a single system and its tagging it with their name, whereas we have a quarter sized piece of the map. DMC's name is written over ours, and it actually got worse today, you can't even see our alliance tag unless you happen to know it's supposed to be there. Great work despite our current situation though, by far the best looking map currently. ----------------
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.08.25 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Draekas Darkwater on 25/08/2007 05:04:03
Originally by: TheAdj For when you get back from vacation, any chance you do can do something to fix my alliance being overwritten by DMC? They have a single system and its tagging it with their name, whereas we have a quarter sized piece of the map. DMC's name is written over ours, and it actually got worse today, you can't even see our alliance tag unless you happen to know it's supposed to be there. Great work despite our current situation though, by far the best looking map currently.
I wrote the Alliance name code in such a way that it basically finds any alliance blob and names it at the center of that blob, shifted down slightly.
I did do another version that alternated adjacent blob's names up and down a few pixels, but Verite said that while it fixed some overlaps, it made some new ones overlap. Basically, damned if you do, damned if you don't.
It would be easy to exclude the name of small blobs completely, but I really don't know if that's the best solution to the problem. Maybe for blobs only a few pixels in size it would be appropriate. That's upto Verite to decide though. =D
Specifically fixing any one title though, is out of the question. It is, and needs to remain, a fully automated process.
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Dave White
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.26 15:38:00 -
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Edited by: Dave White on 26/08/2007 15:39:07
Originally by: Verite Rendition Just a heads up: I'm on vacation, so the autopilot is in change. If anything goes wrong, well I may not be able to do anything about it.
Seems something is wrong, since it isn't updating daily anymore
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.26 15:52:00 -
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Interestingly, if you look in the archive, it's still generating a map every day. Just it's the same map every day --------
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Garek
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.27 07:33:00 -
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SNIFF
he ain't downloading the new data :)
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Borg017
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.08.27 15:49:00 -
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This map is like *****. I can't get enough....PLEASE I'll get you the money tomorrow!!! -----------------------------------------------
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Quaren
Gallente Interstellar eXodus
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Posted - 2007.08.27 21:25:00 -
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can you make the region names bolder somehow? You can't see them at all where people have sov.
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Akane Miyamoto
Coreli Corporation Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.08.28 05:30:00 -
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Heh, looks like the autogenerator got stuck in a day
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The Miyamotos, Chaper #1
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.28 06:43:00 -
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Well there was a dumb problem. I forgot to turn on my MySQL server before I left, so the map generator failed every day and moved on to the next thing. Unfortunately no MySQL means no old data, so I can't generate the missing maps at this moment. Things should be back to normal tomorrow assuming CCP doesn't make things too screwy with the patch. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic |
Takita Yukida
Quo Vadis Domine
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Posted - 2007.08.28 16:45:00 -
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Verite, for my map I worked out something to prevent alliance names overlapping (well, 99% of the time, it will not solve if a name is enclosed by a few others). Have a look for an example here.
If you want the how to's, contact me, unfortunately (as far as I can see by looking over paladin's code) it'll need some adjustments there to get the same results.
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 20:44:00 -
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Forget to turn mysql on again, the maps the same as yesterdays =(
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.08.30 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: 5n4keyes Forget to turn mysql on again, the maps the same as yesterdays =(
Actually I moved the map generator to a new box yesterday that will be on 24/7, so that MySQL problem won't be occurring again. The problem this time was that executables made with VC++ 2005 sometimes require a support package to be deployed, so the XML processing tools I wrote weren't run. That's fixed. Now my only outstanding issue is that sometimes EVE-Files is not letting me immediately upload a new influence map after deleting the old one, Chribba's looking in to the matter. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.31 13:12:00 -
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I just logged in only to say you are doing an awesome job keeping the map updated.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.02 01:53:00 -
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So I talked about this in another thread for a bit, but after several requests for some kind of map that does take in to account power blocs I've been working on a new map that does this. The rules are fundamentally the same, but every alliance and its holdings are now put in to one of 4 groups: The Alliance, the S. Coalition, the N. Coalition, or the Free Agents. The map as a result shows the influence of the power blocs as a whole, while ignoring individual alliances.
It's still an early product that needs some more work, but you can see the first results on the blocmaptest. Please let me know what you think so that I can improve it. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.02 03:08:00 -
[62]
Also, for the guy saying that he couldn't read the region names very well, here's a new colortest with the name brightness turned up 50%. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.02 04:25:00 -
[63]
Edited by: cal nereus on 02/09/2007 04:35:51 Edited by: cal nereus on 02/09/2007 04:35:02 Triumvirate continues to antagonize some people in both the Alliance and Coalition, while also remaining friendly with some in the Alliance and showing a willingness to work with those from the Coalition. They also show up as neutral to many in the Coalition I think. So, they would be Free Agents yes?
The IAC-FIX conflict is largely an extension of the Great War, with IAC being allied with the Southern Coalition. I don't see any reason to make them Free Agents.
D-L is a free agent? How'd they end up with sovereignty in BoB space?
Invictus has been working with Southern Coalition forces against BoB and BoB's allies, so I'm going to assume that they would fit more in the SOuthern Coalition category rather than the Free Agents category.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.02 04:48:00 -
[64]
Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 02/09/2007 04:35:51 Edited by: cal nereus on 02/09/2007 04:35:02 Triumvirate continues to antagonize some people in both the Alliance and Coalition, while also remaining friendly with some in the Alliance and showing a willingness to work with those from the Coalition. They also show up as neutral to many in the Coalition I think. So, they would be Free Agents yes?
The IAC-FIX conflict is largely an extension of the Great War, with IAC being allied with the Southern Coalition. I don't see any reason to make them Free Agents.
D-L is a free agent? How'd they end up with sovereignty in BoB space?
Invictus has been working with Southern Coalition forces against BoB and BoB's allies, so I'm going to assume that they would fit more in the SOuthern Coalition category rather than the Free Agents category.
Who's in which group can be easily changed, I'm not working on or worried about that right now; this is just a quick dump from Josh's list. I'm looking for feedback more along the lines of if this this map is useful, easy to read, etc. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.02 04:54:00 -
[65]
Edited by: cal nereus on 02/09/2007 04:56:18
Ah okay. Well, visually speaking, it doesn't look as neat. It's awesome for influence of individual alliances and stuff, but when you make one color for a huge blob of alliances together, it doesn't look particularly appetizing. It's like seeing three or four slugs wrapping around each other. The other map that already has powerblocs is visually more appealing for the purpose of showing powerblocs, but the information is usually incorrect in that map. Which is why the Influence map is so much better, but it doesn't look right when there are only four colors like that. It's just a visual nit I like to pick perhaps.
Edit: Actually, I think a big reason for my distaste with the visuals is that the colors are solid. In the other map they are transparent except at the borders. More futuristic and hurts the eyes less. But I don't think you can make that happen with this map, so I don't suppose I'm helping.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.02 05:02:00 -
[66]
Actually I think I can make the colors be solid without too much trouble, I'll run something else this weekend and see what turns up. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.02 05:23:00 -
[67]
Erm, well, I was sorta hoping you'd make them less solid to be honest. Right now, they are so solid that it looks like something a dirty hippie would have plastered on their T-shirt. I'd prefer more transparency so the color itself stands out less against the background, while each color remains distinctive from each other.
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.09.02 05:31:00 -
[68]
Yeah, because all the different alliances have been turned into a couple big blobs, the overlaping influence is really overpowering. Maybe turn down the influence generated by each system by 50% or so for this specific map.
As far as the power blocs go, perhaps it would be useful to actually still show some semblance of the individual alliances involved. Like, leave BoB seperate from its allies in the BoB blue. Then instead of different colours for its allies, make them a different shade of blue, but maintain thier names on the map. The exact locations of thier allies territory isn't such a big deal, as the normal influence map is still there to double check.
Keeping all the alliance names from the influence map would really help get more information across though.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 09:29:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 03/09/2007 09:33:22 Cal, Draekas, I've forced the colors to be solid and set them for about 44% intensity, let me know what you think.
Also, Serenity Steele of EVE Strategic Maps / Outpost Alert has hooked me up with a way to pull the OA data. If you have any new outposts, please let OA know and my map will show it automatically.
Oh, and I lied before, it wasn't 100% automated (the dates for the dated file copies). Now it really is automated and vacation-proof. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Azzerhoden
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Posted - 2007.09.03 19:19:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Azzerhoden on 03/09/2007 19:23:25 Can you change the color for Intrepid Crossing? It is currently the same color given to the Imperial Order and close to the color of Frege. Perhaps a nice purple since that doesn't appear to be used in the drone regions?
Also, can you move the name down just a bit?
Thanks!
EDIT--- My bad, IRON is purple. Still, the map shows some distance between us so it may be ok.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.03 20:40:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Azzerhoden Edited by: Azzerhoden on 03/09/2007 19:43:26 Edited by: Azzerhoden on 03/09/2007 19:23:25 Can you change the color for Intrepid Crossing? It is currently the same color given to the Imperial Order and close to the color of Frege. Perhaps a nice purple since that doesn't appear to be used in the drone regions?
Also, can you move the name down just a bit?
Thanks!
EDIT--- My bad, IRON is purple (on the color test map). Still, the map shows some distance between us so it may be ok.
I need someone who is your diplomat to make that request; you don't even have your own tags on. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Azzerhoden
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.09.03 23:11:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Azzerhoden on 03/09/2007 23:11:01
Originally by: Verite Rendition I need someone who is your diplomat to make that request; you don't even have your own tags on.
DOH! What a newb mistake.
I had discussed with our Diplomat, and he didn't care one way or another. I'll follow up with him again however.
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Ikki Phoenix
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.09.04 00:58:00 -
[73]
Very nice information I am in the process of starting a corporation with another player and it is good to know the influences
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
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Posted - 2007.09.04 03:28:00 -
[74]
Edited by: cal nereus on 04/09/2007 03:30:23 The bloc map still doesn't look too good. You may want to consider redividing up the blocs into its constituent alliances, with the only change being that their colors are coordinated. IE: all the blue-hues would be BoB and its allies, all the red-hues would be RedSwarmFederation and friends, etc. The colors would need to be slightly different, but similar to tell that they are part of the same bloc. And I would prefer it if the borders were highlighted, to take focus away from the systems and towards the borders. Only for the bloc map of course. In an influence map, the opposite is preferable.
Edit: That aside, I'm really happy that you're working on this. And yay, vacation-proof map!
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.04 04:27:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 04/09/2007 04:30:01 Edited by: Verite Rendition on 04/09/2007 04:28:52
Originally by: Azzerhoden Edited by: Azzerhoden on 03/09/2007 23:11:01
Originally by: Verite Rendition I need someone who is your diplomat to make that request; you don't even have your own tags on.
DOH! What a newb mistake.
I had discussed with our Diplomat, and he didn't care one way or another. I'll follow up with him again however.
Eh, good enough for me. I'll see if I can find you a new color in the next day or so, but the selection is rather limited in the drone regions. I personally rather like your color and where it is, so I'm not sure what I'll do, I don't want to reduce color variety any more.
If you really want a color change, come up with something you think would work and send me the RGB values. If it turns out looking good I'll use it. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Hyakuchan
Hyakucorp
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Posted - 2007.09.04 17:33:00 -
[76]
Edited by: Hyakuchan on 04/09/2007 17:34:58 Can the next version have a battle mentioned at Aunenen to mark where Scius lost a cargo dread to a mothership? Or maybe an arrow saying "Here be Stupid".
Quote: Scius > He has the Nyx. Scius > I went out with my dread and went down shooting. Full Text
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Farham
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.09.04 18:41:00 -
[77]
Quote: I need someone who is your diplomat to make that request; you don't even have your own tags on.
Diplo here and I fully endorse the requested changes to color and tag location if at all possible.
Thank you in advance!
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Borg017
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.09.04 19:52:00 -
[78]
Originally by: Verite Rendition So I talked about this in another thread for a bit, but after several requests for some kind of map that does take in to account power blocs I've been working on a new map that does this. The rules are fundamentally the same, but every alliance and its holdings are now put in to one of 4 groups: The Alliance, the S. Coalition, the N. Coalition, or the Free Agents. The map as a result shows the influence of the power blocs as a whole, while ignoring individual alliances.
It's still an early product that needs some more work, but you can see the first results on the blocmaptest. Please let me know what you think so that I can improve it.
Verite,
Another great product! Here are some comments...
- Leave the names of the alliances on the map, not just the names of the blocs. But it might be cleaner to put it in a list like josh does.
- Use red, blue, green, yellow for distinction
- "Free Agents" is not fitting. Perhaps just a simple "Neutral" will do.
One request I had was if there was any way for you to add a marker for hot systems. Maybe use the mark of over 200 kills in 24 hour period. This way we can see where the battles are occuring. -----------------------------------------------
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Azzerhoden
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.09.04 20:23:00 -
[79]
How about the follow? Red 0 Green 192 Blue 0 Hue 85 Sat 255 Light 96
As for placement of our name, just below the 'Int' is a system. Can the name be moved so that this system is just above the 'Int'?
Thanks in advance, and I love this map!
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.04 22:01:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 04/09/2007 22:12:12
Originally by: Azzerhoden How about the follow? Red 0 Green 192 Blue 0 Hue 85 Sat 255 Light 96
As for placement of our name, just below the 'Int' is a system. Can the name be moved so that this system is just above the 'Int'?
Thanks in advance, and I love this map!
That's awfully close to Project Entropy's color, but I think I'll let that slide. As for the name position, that's all automatic. There's not really anything I can do about the placement.
Borg017: I'll check out some of your suggestions the next time I have some free time to work on that map. As for the activity markers, I don't consider that consistent with the influence map. Plus CCP doesn't export that data anyhow. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.05 11:51:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Borg017
- "Free Agents" is not fitting. Perhaps just a simple "Neutral" will do.
Not sure "neutral" is terribly fitting either. Tri has been anything but neutral in blasting the BoB pets in the north, but don't consider themselves part of the Coalition (they shoot them too). Neutral implies they're not getting involved. ------
Originally by: CCP Prism X There's no such thing as playing too much EvE! You all obviously need more accounts! |
Azzerhoden
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.09.05 20:10:00 -
[82]
oooOOooo I like the new colortest map!
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Icy One
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.07 22:23:00 -
[83]
Have you thought about making the colours for the powerbloc map slight variations of the same colour? Like Josh's map.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.08 05:58:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Icy One Have you thought about making the colours for the powerbloc map slight variations of the same colour? Like Josh's map.
I have a little bit, but that's a significant pain in the butt because each color needs to be programmed in manually; this is supposed to be a fully automated map, and having to manually program in the blocs is already bad enough as far as that's concerned. If I get any free time this weekend to work on it, I'll see what I come up with. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
rgreat
Gallente OEG Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.09 20:35:00 -
[85]
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.09.10 16:46:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Icy One Have you thought about making the colours for the powerbloc map slight variations of the same colour? Like Josh's map.
I have a little bit, but that's a significant pain in the butt because each color needs to be programmed in manually; this is supposed to be a fully automated map, and having to manually program in the blocs is already bad enough as far as that's concerned. If I get any free time this weekend to work on it, I'll see what I come up with.
Not nessesarily. How are you manually putting in the blocs now?
If you have a list of them or whatever, then you can simply save the power bloc leader's colors. Lets just say for instance, BoB and RA. Then when you load the alliances, check the list to see which bloc they are in and set the colour there to the same as the bloc leader, which you've saved as a couple variables. This would be instead of setting thier colour to the output of the resultset from the DB query under the //load alliances part of the code.
If you want to vary the colours slightly, then just for each block reduce the intensity a bit for each one. Don't think it would be too hard to do it.
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D'ceet
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.26 19:45:00 -
[87]
great work!
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Coolgamer
Minmatar Res Publica R i s e
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Posted - 2007.09.27 02:59:00 -
[88]
gratz for keeping alive this awsome and acurate map
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Privious
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.27 06:54:00 -
[89]
very accurate, I prefer this one more than the Territorial map, this one gets updated every 1/2 days or so while the other one only gets updated every 1 and a half month or so and is more accurate keep up the good work! ---------
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.29 22:55:00 -
[90]
Since EVE-Files is down, here's today's map until Chribba gets things fixed. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.30 22:40:00 -
[91]
20070930 ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Ilmonstre
NEXUS CLOUD
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Posted - 2007.10.01 00:02:00 -
[92]
ty for giving us a map via a alternative source now that eve-files is temporarily down
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Eldwinn
The Tierijev Compact Division of Eden
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Posted - 2007.10.01 02:31:00 -
[93]
Edited by: Eldwinn on 01/10/2007 02:31:14 Thank you Verite for continuing to ensure that we are able to access the influence Map, even with eve-files down.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.01 03:29:00 -
[94]
Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/10/2007 03:30:55 Thank you for keeping the map available. I don't suppose you have the source code files too? The originals were also hosted on eve-files and are (for obvious reasons) not downloadable right now. Perhaps you can put them on sourceforge?
Thanks
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.03 18:06:00 -
[95]
Thanks for everything Verite. :)
Looks like old RA beachhead that vanished has returned in the form of a Goonswarm beachhead. Everything else seems to be the same as usual. ---
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.03 23:40:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/10/2007 03:30:55 Thank you for keeping the map available. I don't suppose you have the source code files too? The originals were also hosted on eve-files and are (for obvious reasons) not downloadable right now. Perhaps you can put them on sourceforge?
Thanks
Check the first post, the source code and all of the tools are listed there. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Carnmire
Caldari Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:01:00 -
[97]
Is there any possible way to compile all the maps chronologically so that we see the "tides" of sovereignty over time?
Please say its possible
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Dave White
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 23:01:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Carnmire Is there any possible way to compile all the maps chronologically so that we see the "tides" of sovereignty over time?
Please say its possible
yeeh, like a .gif or something. that'd be sweet
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 23:08:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Dave White
Originally by: Carnmire Is there any possible way to compile all the maps chronologically so that we see the "tides" of sovereignty over time?
Please say its possible
yeeh, like a .gif or something. that'd be sweet
All of the maps are right there, it would be fairly trivial for someone to composite them in to a GIF or a full movie if that's what they'd like. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 06:58:00 -
[100]
As a minor update, with all of this talk of animated sovereignty maps, it's convinced me to finally get up off of my butt and finish a semi-related project I've been needing to do. The EVE Automated Influence Map has gone to fat camp and lost 15% (about 130KB) in size with no quality loss. This isn't a lot, and there doesn't seem to be any more I can squeeze out without losing quality, but none the less this will cut Chribba's bandwidth bill a tad and will make the map load faster for those of you who are overseas and can't instantaneously download the map.
You can check out the colortest to see what the 10/12/07 map looks like after its weight loss program. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:43:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Verite Rendition Exactly. While influence dissipates quickly over space, BoB's core systems have a ton of it. The capital of a constellation has 180 points of influence(for reference, a single system with sov 1 has 10) on top of the additive influence of all their neighboring holdings. The result is a lot of influence on the map, which rightly represents just how much control of the area they have. So that blob over no space is a result of their influence radiating a great deal outwards, only to have pockets inside of it where MC and FIX's influence is enough to keep BoB from being awarded their systems on the map, while they don't have enough influence to stop BoB from radiating out towards that blob.
Doesn't show blood raider npc space in Querious 0.0 really either. :( Great map though. I wonder if npc 0.0 regions could be marked somehow too, no one can really claim them...
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:19:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
Originally by: Verite Rendition Exactly. While influence dissipates quickly over space, BoB's core systems have a ton of it. The capital of a constellation has 180 points of influence(for reference, a single system with sov 1 has 10) on top of the additive influence of all their neighboring holdings. The result is a lot of influence on the map, which rightly represents just how much control of the area they have. So that blob over no space is a result of their influence radiating a great deal outwards, only to have pockets inside of it where MC and FIX's influence is enough to keep BoB from being awarded their systems on the map, while they don't have enough influence to stop BoB from radiating out towards that blob.
Doesn't show blood raider npc space in Querious 0.0 really either. :( Great map though. I wonder if npc 0.0 regions could be marked somehow too, no one can really claim them...
2 things:
1) Blood Raider space is in Delve, not Querious. 2) My preferred method (as it was with Paladin) is to show space that the players can't claim as unclaimed, because that's effectively what it is. This works fine for the bigger regions, but you're right in that it isn't working well enough for the small NPC regions (and thank you for pointing this out). I'm going to take a look at increasing the strength of the NPC systems in Delve and Fountain, and see if I can't push the players far enough back to make those little strips unclaimed. However I won't make any promises on that in the case that I can't reasonably deal with it, since it has been so minor of a problem that no one has complained about it in 7 months. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:20:00 -
[103]
Just as a heads up for everyone, Chribba changed the EVE-Files CMS today, which has changed the scripting required to upload the map. I think I have the situation fixed, but I can't rule out any bugs that may make the next couple of days dicey. My apologies on the matter, and hopefully everything will work correctly immediately. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:00:00 -
[104]
Hmm, looks like Evoke might need a colour change if they stay in Fountain right next to Bob. It looks to me like they're identical colours. Whatcha think Verite?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 21:19:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater Hmm, looks like Evoke might need a colour change if they stay in Fountain right next to Bob. It looks to me like they're identical colours. Whatcha think Verite?
'Tis an odd place for them to be. Thanks for pointing that out. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:15:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 22/10/2007 11:15:11 So I've taken a stab at the power bloc map idea again, and based on the input I've come up with a new design. The new power bloc map is a recolor of the daily influence map rather than a more extensive redesign, which is what everyone seemed to want based on the feedback I got. Alliances are colored by which bloc they're in (or a color for being unaligned) and border intensity has been cranked way up to help mark the different alliances even though they're in the same bloc.
The final version will probably list the members of each bloc in place of the sovereignty changes. The jury is also still out on what kind of coloring should be done for the blocs; I ran this with the influence-style coloring, but I could change it to flat coloring with the intense borders to keep the ability to tell the alliances apart. I think this new design is going to be a lot more useful than the last, so I'd like to hear some feedback on it, especially on the issue of the coloring style.
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On another note, a new colortest is up, implementing the corrections for Serpentis and Blood Raider NPC sovereignty. Getting this to work was tricky (BR is giving off the influence of a sov level 3 station system in each of their systems just to override the influence of BoB) and this may in fact be a problem if BoB were to diminish in power, so I'm not entirely gung-ho on the change. I'd like to hear if everyone finds the general shape/size of the NPC areas correct, and if you like or dislike the change overall (since this was unreported for 6 months). These aren't whole regions, so I'm not convinced that giving the NPCs a strong influence here is the right thing to do. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.10.22 12:46:00 -
[107]
Edited by: SirMolly on 22/10/2007 12:46:32 new power bloc map looks good, though it's a bit inaccurate.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 20:45:00 -
[108]
Originally by: SirMolly Edited by: SirMolly on 22/10/2007 12:46:32 new power bloc map looks good, though it's a bit inaccurate.
Yeah, it's only a proof of concept. If it goes in to production, I'll supply it with a better list of power bloc members. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.22 20:52:00 -
[109]
I'm not sure I like the idea of some NPC regions having a stronger influence than others on the arbitrary distinction of how powerful the neighbours are, for two reasons.
1) It makes the influence blobs harder to interpret. That is to say, there being a random gap in BoB space makes it look for all the world like they have less overwhelming influence in Delve than is the case, which sort of defeats the object of having an influence blob.
2) It requires you the map-maker to individually tweak the area if and when the neighbours' sovereignty levels change. The purpose of this map is to be an almost-automated and completely neutral map. If you're tweaking the core settings in accordance with the ebbs and flows of individual space holders, it's not really automated or neutral... ------
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 21:39:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Patch86 I'm not sure I like the idea of some NPC regions having a stronger influence than others on the arbitrary distinction of how powerful the neighbours are, for two reasons.
1) It makes the influence blobs harder to interpret. That is to say, there being a random gap in BoB space makes it look for all the world like they have less overwhelming influence in Delve than is the case, which sort of defeats the object of having an influence blob.
2) It requires you the map-maker to individually tweak the area if and when the neighbours' sovereignty levels change. The purpose of this map is to be an almost-automated and completely neutral map. If you're tweaking the core settings in accordance with the ebbs and flows of individual space holders, it's not really automated or neutral...
Well I'd argue it's still neutral since I'm only trying to remove influence from areas where there are NPC systems, but you're right in that it's definitely not automatic. This is why I'm still undecided on the whole issue; thanks for the feedback. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:49:00 -
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The new powerbloc map is pretty good Verite, although I think the colours could maybe use some work. Would it be possible to use different shades of the same colour for the different bloc members?
Its still much better than having all the different alliances melded into a couple of blobs though. But with them all the exact same colour its a bit hard on the eyes.
Another possibility would be to retain each alliance's normal colour from the influence map for the alliance name only. Maybe surround the names with an outline of the bloc colour. The part of the code that draws the alliance names does this already but uses black for the background/outline colour.
Maybe that, with the different shades for the territory colours would work better.
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Zylatis
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.10.25 02:00:00 -
[112]
Not sure the power bloc one is accurate, i mean tri are fighting MM and IAC are fighting along side ragoon yet the colour is the same as ISS for us?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 06:34:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater The new powerbloc map is pretty good Verite, although I think the colours could maybe use some work. Would it be possible to use different shades of the same colour for the different bloc members?
Its still much better than having all the different alliances melded into a couple of blobs though. But with them all the exact same colour its a bit hard on the eyes.
Another possibility would be to retain each alliance's normal colour from the influence map for the alliance name only. Maybe surround the names with an outline of the bloc colour. The part of the code that draws the alliance names does this already but uses black for the background/outline colour.
Maybe that, with the different shades for the territory colours would work better.
An alliance's color on the normal influence map really doesn't have any meaning (or at least aren't intended to), the colors are simply selected because they make the alliance differentiable from its neighbors. It's an interesting idea but I think I'll pass.
I do want to make the power blocs slightly different colors from each other (although perhaps not the non-aligned groups), and while that would be kind of hard given the current method I'm using(mainly making sure they have the same variant color each day) I think I have an idea that would work. I am also considering fixing the border color to fully opaque white, so that it's clear where each alliance is (ala how most geography maps use a large red line). I'll need to find some free time to implement all of this though, so this may have to wait another week.
--- In other news:
I haven't heard any complaints about how I'm using the influence-style coloring for each alliance, so I will probably keep that as is.
I'm also dropping the idea for the NPC sov pockets down south, the complaints outweigh the compliments. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 06:36:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Zylatis Not sure the power bloc one is accurate, i mean tri are fighting MM and IAC are fighting along side ragoon yet the colour is the same as ISS for us?
Zylatis you doofus, it's just a proof of concept map. If/when it goes in to production I'll fix all of those little nit-picks about who is in what bloc. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Lee ChanKa
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Posted - 2007.10.25 11:51:00 -
[115]
i like joshua map just because of one reason and you dont hawe it on your map..
can you please make wher ppl fight not just teritori? your map is nice realy but i dont see any fight on thet map and thet is what i and probably most players wont to know..
i supose thet is a big work but if you make it..gj for you
regard lee aka ewqilibirum
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Borg017
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:18:00 -
[116]
Yes, please have a list of which bloc an entity is a part of. -----------------------------------------------
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 01:53:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Lee ChanKa i like joshua map just because of one reason and you dont hawe it on your map..
can you please make wher ppl fight not just teritori? your map is nice realy but i dont see any fight on thet map and thet is what i and probably most players wont to know..
i supose thet is a big work but if you make it..gj for you
regard lee aka ewqilibirum
It's going to be based off of the automated map, so I'm afraid that won't be possible. With this program to draw the maps however, it wouldn't be too much work for someone to add the icons and text to do that. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Ilmonstre
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:53:00 -
[118]
then you could do it in like a co-op thing so all are happy
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Venix
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.27 06:08:00 -
[119]
Just curious to why my alliance doesnt have our Influence around our own systems anymore (our northern most const). We used to always have it, and all of a sudden it shows the close by alliance to have Influence. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:50:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Venix Just curious to why my alliance doesnt have our Influence around our own systems anymore (our northern most const). We used to always have it, and all of a sudden it shows the close by alliance to have Influence.
Mostly Harmless has 4 stations, and I'm pretty sure 3 of those are forming constellation sovereignty with one of them being a capital. That's a heck of a lot of influence compared to a few undeveloped systems, hence the influence algorithm awards them the space. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.28 12:21:00 -
[121]
I had a funky idea for the "political" map. How about, when theres a a change in the influence blob of a given side, the previous shape of the blob remains "shadowed" on the image.
In other words, say Goons (for example) grab a BoB station and the influence blob changes accordingly, BoB's image from the previous day appears as a pale grey shadow-blob on today's map.
This would enable people to see the day by day changing along the borders of alliances. Would be great for gauging the movement of territory contests. ------
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missionalt
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.10.29 22:30:00 -
[122]
You might want to get into contact with diplomats from GS/RA/TCF and BoB and see if they'd help you sort the colours on the blocmap out. Failing that, this might be useful:
http://standings.goonfleet.com/?sb=as
The few major ones I'm pretty sure on - Red: Intrepid Crossing VENOM Curatores Veritas Alliance Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Blue: ISS The Sphere Confederation
Others like Ultima Rati0 and Ethereal Dawn I'm unsure about - do you class part of a bloc as allied with, or active combat participation? The above are all under the latter.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.03 11:35:00 -
[123]
Since EVE-files may be down for a few days I'm having to post these things by hand. I don't get up until around 20:00, so sorry guys.
20071102
On a related note, if anyone wants to volunteer to be a host for this on a permanent basis, I'm all ears.
Oh, and expect a new revision of the power bloc map this weekend; I should have the time to try a few new things. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Rat Lovers Anonymous GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.04 16:06:00 -
[124]
The 1103 one isn't working :(
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.04 20:15:00 -
[125]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Patch86 I'm not sure I like the idea of some NPC regions having a stronger influence than others on the arbitrary distinction of how powerful the neighbours are, for two reasons.
1) It makes the influence blobs harder to interpret. That is to say, there being a random gap in BoB space makes it look for all the world like they have less overwhelming influence in Delve than is the case, which sort of defeats the object of having an influence blob.
2) It requires you the map-maker to individually tweak the area if and when the neighbours' sovereignty levels change. The purpose of this map is to be an almost-automated and completely neutral map. If you're tweaking the core settings in accordance with the ebbs and flows of individual space holders, it's not really automated or neutral...
Well I'd argue it's still neutral since I'm only trying to remove influence from areas where there are NPC systems, but you're right in that it's definitely not automatic. This is why I'm still undecided on the whole issue; thanks for the feedback.
i'm wondering why npc space in geminate and pure blind was not showing up in the proof of concept. No outside entity really has that strong of influence in the surrounding area.
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Pofi
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Posted - 2007.11.04 20:17:00 -
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thats a good point, but it's worth considering jaseruiph jewuip hrgoehguoenh iopuehgwhEiopghweiopghuiopwenhgiouqwehg
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Graalum
Foundation R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.11.04 20:41:00 -
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also alot of the large powerblocks overlap, and others aren't quite consistent. It might be better to break them up into their various sub-groups, ie smashkill and atlas and chaos etc. While these groups are allied to say, morsus, razor and co, standings aren't fully consistent between the two groups. Basically I'm just saying that i would rather see a 'powerblock' map split into smaller divisions, than the broad 'coalitions' that not everyone falls into perfectly (if at all)
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.06 00:22:00 -
[128]
Okay, two new changes:
1) A new colortest. I rebuilt the region name renderer, as I was finding it hard to read some region names. Now the names are a lot brighter and don't get covered up by big blobs. I'm looking at making this live soon, but I want some feedback just in case.
2) A new proof of concept power bloc map. Everyone now has slightly different colors, the membership list is in, and I've colored in the borders in black to help indicate the separate alliances among the blocs. I'm especially interested in feedback here, as this is much closer to a shipping product. And yes, the memberships are wrong, that's about the least important thing right now, and will be fixed if/when it moves in to production. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.11.06 01:28:00 -
[129]
Th region names are very helpful.
The power bloc map looks visually appealing. The only area of improvement I can find is the power-bloc membership, but as you've already pointed out, you know it's currently incorrect and it's a low priority anyways. So I won't bother saying more on that. All in all, the power bloc map looks awesome. Thanks so much. ---
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.06 01:32:00 -
[130]
I'll host it.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.06 11:51:00 -
[131]
EVE Files is back up; the back-issue maps have been uploaded. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.11.06 15:19:00 -
[132]
Verite that Power Bloc map is really good. Its the best thing I've seen since I saw a 800lb Monk attack Ghandi on the surface of the sun.
Oh yeah, and Ghandi was made of glass.
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Slayton Ford
Stimulus
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Posted - 2007.11.06 15:49:00 -
[133]
Originally by: Verite Rendition Okay, two new changes:
1) A new colortest. I rebuilt the region name renderer, as I was finding it hard to read some region names. Now the names are a lot brighter and don't get covered up by big blobs. I'm looking at making this live soon, but I want some feedback just in case.
2) A new proof of concept power bloc map. Everyone now has slightly different colors, the membership list is in, and I've colored in the borders in black to help indicate the separate alliances among the blocs. I'm especially interested in feedback here, as this is much closer to a shipping product. And yes, the memberships are wrong, that's about the least important thing right now, and will be fixed if/when it moves in to production.
Agree here on the powerbloc map being nice. But you'll definitly need a seperate thread to figure out who's who (ie Tri being not part of the North Coal) --------------- This sig has been censored in fear of recieving the ban hammer... |
Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.06 20:26:00 -
[134]
Huh? You mean Tri isn't on our side?
I love the look of the new map but it will probably take cooperation with reps from each of the major power blocks to make it work. This is going to be especially nice if it can be animated.
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s3v3n7
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.11.06 21:04:00 -
[135]
You should make Tri rainbow colors, signifying our love for carebearing and the fact that every alliance in the game are our allies.
Especially people we fight daily...definetely allies.
On a serious note, I would consider TRI/ATF/Dest/Frege a powerblock seperate from RZR/MM.
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.11.06 21:51:00 -
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I like the powerblock map, it has a lot of potential. Best thing to do would be to contact diplos for all of the alliances and get info straight from them, pardoning the obvious choices.
Also, I noticed another one of the influence maps based on Paladin's code has circles where Sov 4 or capitals or something is in effect, are you planning on adding that to your maps? (I prefer your version over the others I have seen so far)
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.07 04:25:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 07/11/2007 04:25:28 Thanks for the feedback on the maps guys, I appreciate it.
I'm curious however if there is someone out there with some basic Photoshop skills that would like to go in to a joint project with me? I personally really like Josh's battle map, and while this replicates some of that, it can't replicate it all. The automated process takes care of all of the hard work (drawing the map and who owns what), so all the map would need are some icons and other knick-knacks added, and it would be very close in functionality to Josh's map. This could easily be something updated every 1-2 weeks since half of the process is automated.
I'd like to hear back from everyone on what they think about the idea (i.e. would you like that over what I have today) and to hear from anyone that may be able to handle the drawing aspects of such a project. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.11.07 07:53:00 -
[138]
What exactly do you want? Alliance Icons? Something else?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.07 08:14:00 -
[139]
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste What exactly do you want? Alliance Icons? Something else?
I'd like to see something like Josh's map where warzones are marked, and perhaps some kind of indicator of momentum. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.07 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: NATMav on 07/11/2007 13:46:35 Is it possible to pull ships kills in last 24 hours and place a marker where kills > X number to designate hot spots? It would be difficult and unreliable to attempt to automate warzones based on sov, given that systems and stations are handed from one entity to the other peacefully quite often.
Or maybe have one marker for large battles where lots of ships are getting killed, and combine that with sov changes so if you have X number of kills along with sov change, it gets marked a warzone.
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.07 14:57:00 -
[141]
Edited by: Nlewis on 07/11/2007 14:57:45 what does it stand for when there's a blue bar highlighting sov change on some systems but not others
edit: on the list
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.11.07 15:22:00 -
[142]
Originally by: Nlewis Edited by: Nlewis on 07/11/2007 14:57:45 what does it stand for when there's a blue bar highlighting sov change on some systems but not others
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Station system :)
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Nlewis
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:12:00 -
[143]
Originally by: 5n4keyes
Originally by: Nlewis Edited by: Nlewis on 07/11/2007 14:57:45 what does it stand for when there's a blue bar highlighting sov change on some systems but not others
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Station system :)
makes sense. thanks
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Vladimir Antlerkov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.07 18:40:00 -
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Edited by: Vladimir Antlerkov on 07/11/2007 18:43:59
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste What exactly do you want? Alliance Icons? Something else?
I'd like to see something like Josh's map where warzones are marked, and perhaps some kind of indicator of momentum.
Paladin Vent's map would highlight any territory that changed hands in the previous 24 hours with diagonal patterns (example, although using one of the monthly summaries: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/UNL/0705-summary.png). I suppose you could use different types of diagonal hashing to highlight territory that changed hands in the past day and past week, i.e. 2-pixel-wide lines for 1 day ago, 1-pixel wide for up to 1 week ago.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.07 19:32:00 -
[145]
Is the "3 power blocs" thing definitely a keeper, or are you planning to expand it with the final product?
As pointed out, Tri+Co are arguably a power bloc on their own, and the drone regions would definitely have been it's own back when there was a MAD Pact. ------
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 21:15:00 -
[146]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste What exactly do you want? Alliance Icons? Something else?
I'd like to see something like Josh's map where warzones are marked, and perhaps some kind of indicator of momentum.
Momentum... good idea :P
How about kinda "arrow" type things as usually used in war documentaries. The vectors could be calculated from previous snapshots of the situation and given a certain threshold, so that it doesn't get too messy.
Could be really neat... If you don't get around to it earlier, I'll check your source and perhaps write a solution myself. Also, imo, this entire thing could be rewritten into java and ran off a random linux shell. Mixing languages is kinda nasty and Java is crossplatform + Java has very good XML parsing libraries, that would handle most of this stuff automagically(tm).
Anyway, I will see what I can do about implementing JDBC+something like XStream this weekend. Could be fun.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.07 21:28:00 -
[147]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 07/11/2007 21:30:19 Edited by: Verite Rendition on 07/11/2007 21:29:06
Originally by: NATMav Edited by: NATMav on 07/11/2007 13:46:35 Is it possible to pull ships kills in last 24 hours and place a marker where kills > X number to designate hot spots? It would be difficult and unreliable to attempt to automate warzones based on sov, given that systems and stations are handed from one entity to the other peacefully quite often.
Or maybe have one marker for large battles where lots of ships are getting killed, and combine that with sov changes so if you have X number of kills along with sov change, it gets marked a warzone.
CCP doesn't export that data, so it's not something that could be done automatically. The warzones themselves wouldn't be automated mind you, the icons for those would be put in by a human.
Originally by: Vladimir Antlerkov Edited by: Vladimir Antlerkov on 07/11/2007 18:43:59
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Selene D'Celeste What exactly do you want? Alliance Icons? Something else?
I'd like to see something like Josh's map where warzones are marked, and perhaps some kind of indicator of momentum.
Paladin Vent's map would highlight any territory that changed hands in the previous 24 hours with diagonal patterns (example, although using one of the monthly summaries: http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/UNL/0705-summary.png). I suppose you could use different types of diagonal hashing to highlight territory that changed hands in the past day and past week, i.e. 2-pixel-wide lines for 1 day ago, 1-pixel wide for up to 1 week ago.
edit: fixed link
Code-wise the diagonal lines thing is extremely hard to do. One day perhaps I'll be able to put it in, but it's not looking very likely at this point.
Originally by: Patch86 Is the "3 power blocs" thing definitely a keeper, or are you planning to expand it with the final product?
As pointed out, Tri+Co are arguably a power bloc on their own, and the drone regions would definitely have been it's own back when there was a MAD Pact.
Currently it's based off of the concepts of Josh's map, so it's 3 power blocs. I could expand it fairly easily, but any decision on that will be when I start hashing out who is part of what bloc. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition Code-wise the diagonal lines thing is extremely hard to do. One day perhaps I'll be able to put it in, but it's not looking very likely at this point.
Strongly disagree that it is hard to do, a bit of simple math.
Also, I looked over your project. While it works, it made me laugh :)
I'll make a "small" redesign this weekend, and probably set up SVN. If you are interested, drop me a line with IM in eve-mail or something.
If not, I'll just dump it here after it's done and you can decide for yourself if you want to use it ;)
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Fornacis
Gallente hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.11.07 22:38:00 -
[149]
Hi Ryysa
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.07 23:12:00 -
[150]
Originally by: Fornacis Hi Ryysa
Hi ;)
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BAteh
Amarr Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 01:06:00 -
[151]
I consider this map -THE- standard due to its high coding quality. However, for an "open source" project, it surely lacks info. Just for fun, i spent some time looking at how it works, and i end up with a nice map, but on which TRI was in BoB's space, Invictus was in RA space, IRON in Goon space... funny as hell. Gave me a laugh, looking at the "what if".
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5n4keyes
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.11.08 02:46:00 -
[152]
Originally by: BAteh I consider this map -THE- standard due to its high coding quality. However, for an "open source" project, it surely lacks info. Just for fun, i spent some time looking at how it works, and i end up with a nice map, but on which TRI was in BoB's space, Invictus was in RA space, IRON in Goon space... funny as hell. Gave me a laugh, looking at the "what if".
This is the future you see
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BAteh
Amarr Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 03:43:00 -
[153]
Originally by: 5n4keyes
This is the future you see
hahhaa. Seriously, i'm keeping this gem. I'm just not going to link it here because it would surely trigger some trolling from people unhappy with the randomness of my bug. ;)
But i'll just stfu and laugh a bit more now, because i see Smash and CVA in Deklein.. heh.
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Shaitis
Caldari Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.11.08 08:14:00 -
[154]
why this is not sticky ?
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cal nereus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.11.08 09:20:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Shaitis why this is not sticky ?
It's linked in a thread that is already stickied. Go to the EVE Territorial Maps thread by ISD Serathu, scroll down to the second post, and this map and thread are linked in there. ---
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 08/11/2007 11:06:40
Originally by: BAteh
Originally by: 5n4keyes
This is the future you see
hahhaa. Seriously, i'm keeping this gem. I'm just not going to link it here because it would surely trigger some trolling from people unhappy with the randomness of my bug. ;)
But i'll just stfu and laugh a bit more now, because i see Smash and CVA in Deklein.. heh.
Oh come now, won't you share it even a little bit? It actually shouldn't be doing that, so I'm curious what exactly it ended up drawing.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Ryysa on 08/11/2007 11:21:44 don't have eve at work, so I'll read it in about 8 hours from now ;)
Originally by: BAteh I consider this map -THE- standard due to its high coding quality.
You are kidding right?
While the end result is great, and I will not dispute that, the current "architecture" would make a good article for dailyWTF.
I'll try to fix that though :)
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BAteh
Amarr Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:33:00 -
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Verite: ill evemail you link after DT so you can laugh a bit too. And ill join #eve-dev so you can make fun of me.
Ryysa: shhh... If one says good things about everything, it will bring.. motivation. ;)
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:38:00 -
[159]
Constructive criticism with a will to improve things usually gives better results than sugarcoating though. Well, not in all cases. It probably won't get you laid, but it will lead to better software!
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BAteh
Taggart Transdimensional Kinetic Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:41:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Ryysa Constructive criticism with a will to improve things usually gives better results than sugarcoating though. Well, not in all cases. It probably won't get you laid, but it will lead to better software!
oh, really? Even though i agree with you, notice how my remark about lack of documentation was ignored. Seems sugarcoating got replies, at least. You had a nice theory, though.
"software" and "laid" on the same sentence? Odd.. heh.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.08 11:59:00 -
[161]
Originally by: BAteh "software" and "laid" on the same sentence? Odd.. heh.
Oh baby, your code is so sexy tonight...
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Selene D'Celeste
Caldari The D'Celeste Estate
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Posted - 2007.11.09 07:42:00 -
[162]
Verite, if you want to do something ala Josh's maps it shouldn't be too hard to add semi-transparent lined overlays and large colorful arrows on top of the power-bloc map. To be honest if I knew what info you wanted depicted exactly, I'd be glad to play with a copy and see if I can make something pretty. and doing a new one every 2-3 isn't too bad either.
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.09 10:36:00 -
[163]
Probably should wait until I finish refactoring this thing.
Adding various new stuff will be a huge lot easier then :)
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Ajja 17
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.11.10 22:34:00 -
[164]
I think the blob sizes should be limited along some lines. i.e. stop the alliances at the edge from having their blobs expand into emptiness (it makes them look bigger than they are, it's a bit deceiving). Also, along the same line, maybe not letting blobs expand to regions they don't come from... Great map, best I've seen ;)
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Ryysa
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.11 20:43:00 -
[165]
Update...
Done: 1. Api parsers, along with downloading... 2. Model classes with Hibernate ORM persistence mappings. 3. Service interface/implementation interface. 3a) API Parse service + implementation. 3b) DB Bulk update service + implementation. 4. Automatic database schema generation via hibernate. 5. Fully crossplatform and backend-independent solution (can use any RDBMS). 6. Spring IOC
TODO: 1. Main launcher class 2. XML Configuration support 3. Refactoring of the entire map generation method, as it's fugly right now to say the least. 4. EvE database dump import service along with implementation. 5. Add many-to-one relations to Hibernate ORM mapped javabeans.
Getting there, surely, but slowly. If anyone wants to help and wants source, drop me a line IG.
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Fofalus
III ELEMENTS
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Posted - 2007.11.20 23:47:00 -
[166]
What i want to see if how the map would contour around empire space if all of 0.0 was owned by one entity. It would amusing to see if little pockets of influence would show up inside empire.
If any of the code monkeys could do this they would be awesome! :D
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Donathan Slade
Kay Korporation Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.11.23 15:46:00 -
[167]
bump, one of the better influence maps. -=-=-=- Kay Korp - Recruiting
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Sacrophage Nexus
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.14 18:04:00 -
[168]
Weird - I can't see the influence map for 12/14/07.
I can see 12/13 fine, though.
Anyone else notice this?
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OOOSOOO
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.14 18:22:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Sacrophage Nexus Weird - I can't see the influence map for 12/14/07.
I can see 12/13 fine, though.
Anyone else notice this?
I see it. Btw, your space has been taken apparently. You may wanna log in.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.14 23:05:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Sacrophage Nexus Weird - I can't see the influence map for 12/14/07.
I can see 12/13 fine, though.
Anyone else notice this?
Yeah, I'm fixing it right now. There still seem to be a few kinks in the API, the lack of sov change is a result of the API throwing me stale data; a 12:30 query threw me data from 10:00, which is pre-downtime. I'm going to have to generate the map a bit later in the day until that gets worked out. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
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Frygok
Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.14 23:35:00 -
[171]
You also need to update the new region names.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.15 00:35:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Frygok You also need to update the new region names.
Funny enough, I just finished doing that.
The corrected map for the 14th is up, using the new region names. Hopefully the API won't be causing any more problems from this point on. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:30:00 -
[173]
No update since the 5th of Jan, Verite you on vacation at the moment? Not that I'm complaining, just curious for the lack of daily update?
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.07 23:39:00 -
[174]
Yes he is out of town. Not sure what has broken, but I'm sure it will be fixed soonÖ.
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Rat Lovers Anonymous GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.01.13 20:12:00 -
[175]
I had a bit of a suggestion here, notably on the "sphere of influence" portrayed in the map. Not sure if this has been suggested before, but would it be possible to put borders on how far out the sphere can go? You see GoonSwarm (detroid/Teneferis), MC (Period Basis), Tanis. (Jove) and Mostly Harmless (Drone Regions) all extend violently out into the nothingness of space. The space between regions is fine, I don't think there are any problems with this but where the map ends and in the direction where nothing more is: can a border be set up to stop the "influence" color from proceeding further? It just looks weird.
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hipno
3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.14 01:29:00 -
[176]
Would be nice if you could reflect our sov (Atlas alliance) in that map.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.01.14 01:59:00 -
[177]
Originally by: hipno Would be nice if you could reflect our sov (Atlas alliance) in that map.
It is reflected. You're surrounded by more powerful entities with stations while you have none, hence you don't have enough influence to get a blob of your own. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.14 06:24:00 -
[178]
A lot of alliances that have sovereignty in 0.0 don't have an influence blob because, as the influence is currently calculated, they don't have enough in comparison to their neighbors. Notice that the other influence map (yay, we have two of them) looks slightly different because the influence is calculated differently. It's important to remember that these maps are not sovereignty maps. ---
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hipno
3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 15:52:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: hipno Would be nice if you could reflect our sov (Atlas alliance) in that map.
It is reflected. You're surrounded by more powerful entities with stations while you have none, hence you don't have enough influence to get a blob of your own.
We do have one station and sov over 4 cons in Perrigen Falls (20 systems in total):
http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/all.asp?FilterType=Region&FilterBy=Perrigen%20Falls%20(S-I6VU)
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.01.15 16:16:00 -
[180]
Actually, I see Atlas Alliance on the map. Your name is green, and is sorta on top of Dark Matter Coalition. You guys are just a little too close is all. ---
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.01.15 20:05:00 -
[181]
Edited by: Patch86 on 15/01/2008 20:07:03
Originally by: hipno
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: hipno Would be nice if you could reflect our sov (Atlas alliance) in that map.
It is reflected. You're surrounded by more powerful entities with stations while you have none, hence you don't have enough influence to get a blob of your own.
We do have one station and sov over 4 cons in Perrigen Falls (20 systems in total):
http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/all.asp?FilterType=Region&FilterBy=Perrigen%20Falls%20(S-I6VU)
Hush it noob-pants! If you really want to get us on the map, then build us a couple more outposts please
EDIT: What I actually came in to say- Verite, could you consider tweaking either/both BoB and IRON's colours a few shades away from each other? They're near enough identical, and IRON now have a blob of space inside BoB's influence borders. ------
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Ice Baby
Caldari Ice Cream Express
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Posted - 2008.02.17 21:59:00 -
[182]
Would be really cool if you could add systems with sov 4 but without local sov into your map. ------------------------------ Adding bounty will not make it easier to kill me. |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.18 04:51:00 -
[183]
Originally by: Ice Baby Would be really cool if you could add systems with sov 4 but without local sov into your map.
What exactly do you mean? ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Ice Baby
Caldari Ice Cream Express
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Posted - 2008.02.19 00:06:00 -
[184]
Right now, systems with constellation sovereignty, but without any pos in system don't show up on your map.
Like http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/all.asp?FilterType=Region&FilterBy=Feythabolis K-J50B 5-LCI7
for example ------------------------------ Adding bounty will not make it easier to kill me. |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:53:00 -
[185]
Originally by: Ice Baby Right now, systems with constellation sovereignty, but without any pos in system don't show up on your map.
Like http://www.eve-maps.com/outpostalert/all.asp?FilterType=Region&FilterBy=Feythabolis K-J50B 5-LCI7
for example
I could probably make that change, but I don't see an immediate purpose to do so. Entities with consov already get a bonus to overall influence due to consov, and I'd like to think it's more accurate to list the correct status of individual systems, which means consov'd systems without sovereignty being claimed there shouldn't be marked. It's a perfectly valid request, but I just don't see a big need for it. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Jorr Meditir
Gallente Bladerunners Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.09 21:25:00 -
[186]
Hello
Your map seems to have failed with todays updates.
Other then that, thx for a nice map.
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Kwa Zulu
The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.31 01:26:00 -
[187]
Great map, thanks! (free bump)
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ceaon
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Posted - 2008.04.04 20:28:00 -
[188]
404 on http://eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png d(^_^)b |
Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.05 01:50:00 -
[189]
Originally by: ceaon 404 on http://eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png
Unfortunately Chirbba hasn't completely fixed EVE Files yet, the Remote Downloader isn't working, which I use as part of the automated upload process. The timing couldn't be any worse either, I'm out of town the next two days.
Anyhow, the maps have been uploaded manually, and will have to be until he gets EVE-Files complete working again. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
The Perpetrator
Shinra Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.16 12:04:00 -
[190]
Congrats on a brilliant service to the Eve Community
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2008.05.21 04:00:00 -
[191]
Just curious, but any plans to try to work in FW sov in the "battleground" (so to speak) systems? Assuming that data is available that is.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.21 09:24:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater Just curious, but any plans to try to work in FW sov in the "battleground" (so to speak) systems? Assuming that data is available that is.
My understanding from FW is that systems will change hands, as such the EVE API should accurately list who the owning faction is. I want to maintain the purity of the current influence map since it's about the 0.0 alliances, but I am currently planning a second map for just FW (with the 0.0 regions cut out as to allow Empire space to be shown at a larger scale).
In other words, yes. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.05.21 09:41:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Verite Rendition In other words, yes.
Cool Verite :) Still linking your political map, great work, keep it up!
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Dex Nederland
Lai Dai Infinity Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.27 20:27:00 -
[194]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater Just curious, but any plans to try to work in FW sov in the "battleground" (so to speak) systems? Assuming that data is available that is.
My understanding from FW is that systems will change hands, as such the EVE API should accurately list who the owning faction is. I want to maintain the purity of the current influence map since it's about the 0.0 alliances, but I am currently planning a second map for just FW (with the 0.0 regions cut out as to allow Empire space to be shown at a larger scale).
In other words, yes.
Would you mind including the regions connected to Empire space? I suspect who owns those areas will be pertinent to those of us involved in FW.
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.05.28 12:30:00 -
[195]
Originally by: Dex Nederland
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: Draekas Darkwater Just curious, but any plans to try to work in FW sov in the "battleground" (so to speak) systems? Assuming that data is available that is.
My understanding from FW is that systems will change hands, as such the EVE API should accurately list who the owning faction is. I want to maintain the purity of the current influence map since it's about the 0.0 alliances, but I am currently planning a second map for just FW (with the 0.0 regions cut out as to allow Empire space to be shown at a larger scale).
In other words, yes.
Would you mind including the regions connected to Empire space? I suspect who owns those areas will be pertinent to those of us involved in FW.
We'll see. I can't make any specific promises until CCP has given me the data dumps, updated the API, and I've had the chance to run off a few test maps to see what I like. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
7sunami
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.06.11 19:13:00 -
[196]
Edited by: 7sunami on 11/06/2008 19:13:44 Are the system sov lost/gain list on the map still being sorted in alphabetically order by regions?
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.12 04:34:00 -
[197]
The change list is sorted by north to south. It's composed as the map program runs, and since the program starts at the top of the map the northern regions are put on the list before the southern regions are. I could probably change it, but I like having it sorted by location instead of by name. |
RemusVI
Legion Federation Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 15:56:00 -
[198]
hey Black Rise region needs to be added and are u planning to Implement "factional Warfare" terrotaries ? |
Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.12 23:30:00 -
[199]
Factional warfare will be its own map since the game mechanics are different. Black Rise will be added when CCP gives me a new static data dump with the information I need to add said region. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Curx
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.12 23:40:00 -
[200]
This map is awesome and its great you take the time to keep on it with updates and whatnot |
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RemusVI
Legion Federation Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.14 16:05:00 -
[201]
oh lovely and keep up the awesome work mate LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral RemusVI |
Amandrace
MineMaster Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.06.20 04:33:00 -
[202]
Edited by: Amandrace on 20/06/2008 04:34:05 bump because the sticky seems to have unstuck
edit: nvm it just got moved to a new sticky. well you can have the bump anyway
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Idaeus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.20 05:31:00 -
[203]
Could you add Sov4 indicators like the one at eve-dev used to have before the server went **** up?
And maybe change Pure's color.
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.20 12:06:00 -
[204]
Pure will get changed some time this weekend, I'm just not sure to what. As for the sov 4 indicators I've never really seen the need for them, but I'll give it some consideration this weekend. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
DEFCON4
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Posted - 2008.06.20 14:10:00 -
[205]
BUMP
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Reverand Pastor
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.06.20 14:25:00 -
[206]
alSO XXXDEATHXXX and Mostly Harmless as the borders are indistuingishable.
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Valkazm
Russian Specnaz Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.06.20 14:30:00 -
[207]
Edited by: Valkazm on 20/06/2008 14:31:04 Goons or pure need a coulour change since there so close to eachother now .. hard to see whats what near pure ..
ps . thank you for having the only updated map at the present time appreciate your contribution .. .......................................
Quote: CCP Navigator mail at [email protected] for isk
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Kal'Kalagan
Aggressive Tendencies Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2008.06.20 14:32:00 -
[208]
Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 20/06/2008 14:32:49 Bump and re-sticky this please CCP!!
Please keep up the excellent work on your maps Verite and very much looking forward to the factional warefare versions.
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Privavarian
Evil Activities Diabolic Paradox
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Posted - 2008.06.20 15:09:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 20/06/2008 14:32:49 Bump and re-sticky this please CCP!!
Please keep up the excellent work on your maps Verite and very much looking forward to the factional warefare versions.
I agree, re-sticky the EVE maps I always check the map everyday If the Enemy is in range.. So are you. |
Reckless Hope
Red Tides
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Posted - 2008.06.21 12:04:00 -
[210]
resticky this please.
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Vladimir Antlerkov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.06.21 13:57:00 -
[211]
Could you highlight systems with newly-built stations in the upper left, with the rest of the sov changes?
(Again, excellent work.)
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Verite Rendition
F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.06.22 05:10:00 -
[212]
Sov 4 indicators (triangles) have been added per request. They'll start with tomorrow's map. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map |
Stevil Knevil
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Posted - 2008.06.24 10:41:00 -
[213]
Excellent news that you are planning to to generate FW maps! I had a little look through the source to see how easy it would be to add myself, however if you're working on it then I may as well just wait :-)
Let me know if there's anything I can do to help.
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Godshelpdesk
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Posted - 2008.06.24 23:48:00 -
[214]
Hi, I've been looking for a political map of eve for some time now, i noticed you were playing with the idea of one a while back, you wouldn't happen to have one, or know of one, that is more up to date than Joshua Foiritain's map would you?
The power blocs of eve have been fighting vigorously against one another, and many alliances have changed standings from that point in time, and many have even died out, it would just be nice to know who is fighting with and against who on a daily basis and how each side is doing as a whole without having to make educated guesses based on forum posts and my in game standings....
(btw a standings matrix might also be helpful)
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Amandrace
Minmatar MineMaster Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.07.06 18:52:00 -
[215]
Edited by: Amandrace on 06/07/2008 18:55:46 What's up with eve-files? I can't access the map because oft his error: You are not authorized to view this page You do not have permission to view this directory or page using the credentials that you supplied.
It asks for a user/pass? Never had that before.
Edit- Nevermind. Tried it again, and it worked as usual. Dunno what caused the error though...
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Azzma
Amarr TalCorp Enterprises Einherjar Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.08 18:13:00 -
[216]
you rock
you know what else would be cool is if you could somehow automate the alliance symbols to show on the map too
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Vladimir Antlerkov
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.07.09 00:23:00 -
[217]
Originally by: Godshelpdesk Hi, I've been looking for a political map of eve for some time now, i noticed you were playing with the idea of one a while back, you wouldn't happen to have one, or know of one, that is more up to date than Joshua Foiritain's map would you?
The power blocs of eve have been fighting vigorously against one another, and many alliances have changed standings from that point in time, and many have even died out, it would just be nice to know who is fighting with and against who on a daily basis and how each side is doing as a whole without having to make educated guesses based on forum posts and my in game standings....
(btw a standings matrix might also be helpful)
IIRC, he's done powerbloc maps (as the regular influence map, but with allied alliances being the same color) before, but mostly as proof-of-concept.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2008.07.09 00:41:00 -
[218]
Originally by: Azzma you rock
you know what else would be cool is if you could somehow automate the alliance symbols to show on the map too
It should be possible, although I'm not sure if it's going to be practical from a visual standpoint. Once my developer is done making some other changes I'll look in to it. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Aindrias
Amarr Celestial Janissaries Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.11 07:41:00 -
[219]
Hi, I haven't read all 8 pages of this thread, but has anyone noticed there's no data from the Stain region? Just pointing it out =-)
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Bones9415
Red Dawn Alliance
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Posted - 2008.07.12 03:21:00 -
[220]
Can you fix red dawn Alliance , the R and D should be capital letters thanks
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.07.12 09:05:00 -
[221]
Originally by: Aindrias Hi, I haven't read all 8 pages of this thread, but has anyone noticed there's no data from the Stain region? Just pointing it out =-)
Stain, Great Wildlands, Curse, Venal, Outer Ring etc are NPC sov, thus there is no data to display. This map is automated from the API data that indicates soverignty, not control.
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Cosy
Gallente Porandor
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Posted - 2008.07.14 20:37:00 -
[222]
what means grid ref ? and btw how i see the grid oO
Originally by: CCP Mitnal Any complaints can be directed towards our Music Director
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McFly
C0LDFIRE
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Posted - 2008.07.15 02:03:00 -
[223]
Originally by: Cosy what means grid ref ? and btw how i see the grid oO
I'm gonna guess here and say it's prolly the eve-maps mapbook
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer
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Posted - 2008.07.17 12:51:00 -
[224]
Originally by: McFly
Originally by: Cosy what means grid ref ? and btw how i see the grid oO
I'm gonna guess here and say it's prolly the eve-maps mapbook
Correct. I've had some requests to include the grid references from the book, so I implemented them. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Pamangkin
Notneir Industry LLC
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Posted - 2008.08.30 20:44:00 -
[225]
any idea why sov change is not showing? thanks.. great map btw
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Raging Knight
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.08.30 21:12:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Pamangkin any idea why sov change is not showing? thanks.. great map btw
Was going to post the exact same thing. Sov changes havnt been showing for the lasttwo days, surely this isnt right?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.08.30 22:24:00 -
[227]
Originally by: Pamangkin any idea why sov change is not showing? thanks.. great map btw
Unfortunately I am at PAX (Hi CCP!) and I can't remotely administrate the map, so I don't know what's wrong. It figures that after running fine for a month, is goes bonkers while I'm on vacation. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Shin Chogan
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Posted - 2008.09.06 14:23:00 -
[228]
Edited by: Shin Chogan on 06/09/2008 14:23:56 Hi Verite,
You've been very generous in making the source for this available, I've started making use of this since I have lots of problems accessing eve-files. Could I trouble you for the latest version when you get a chance ?
Cheers
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Scagga Laebetrovo
Evil Bastards
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Posted - 2008.09.10 11:21:00 -
[229]
Hrrr might I suggest you add an icon for Jita?
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Nerfmepls
Amarr Demon Theory UNLeashed Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.11 17:12:00 -
[230]
Edited by: Nerfmepls on 11/09/2008 17:13:11
am i see things but looks like looks like sov map went bk 2 days any1 eles seening tuesday sov on 9th ?
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Tnilf
Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.11 19:10:00 -
[231]
Its been reverting to 9/6 periodically the last week or so.
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Seatoo
Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.09.11 20:37:00 -
[232]
Just go to the parent directory and choose the proper date until it gets fixed I guess |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.12 02:55:00 -
[233]
The correct map is being uploaded. Apparently one of the mirror servers is not refreshing correctly. I'll talk to Chribba. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Ron Wright
Shark Investments
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Posted - 2008.09.25 06:27:00 -
[234]
Edited by: Ron Wright on 25/09/2008 06:28:29 I have made a fast motion video with the Influence Maps from 08/2007 - 09/2008 out of your maps Verite. It's available on eve-files: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Shark/influence_maps.avi
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.25 14:44:00 -
[235]
That movie came out looking rather good, thanks Ron. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Augtaian
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Posted - 2008.09.25 16:40:00 -
[236]
Excellent stuff, well using AVS looked superb...
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Ron Wright
Shark Investments
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Posted - 2008.09.29 06:22:00 -
[237]
Edited by: Ron Wright on 29/09/2008 06:23:12 @Verite: Is there a new status of the automated Powerbloc Map Project? http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2417/newblocmapqq7.png
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.09.29 12:07:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Ron Wright Edited by: Ron Wright on 29/09/2008 06:23:12 @Verite: Is there a new status of the automated Powerbloc Map Project? http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/2417/newblocmapqq7.png
Dead at the moment I'm afraid. I still have the code (I hope) but ultimately I didn't get anyone who was willing to keep the power blocs organized. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.10.20 08:02:00 -
[239]
hey,
is there a way we can change our color on the map ?
Kadeshi is curently looking green and so is imoral dragons. can we make kadeshi a difrend color ? --- Somebody needs a hug! |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.10.20 14:07:00 -
[240]
Originally by: sliver 0xD hey,
is there a way we can change our color on the map ?
Kadeshi is curently looking green and so is imoral dragons. can we make kadeshi a difrend color ?
Sure, shoot me an EVEmail with the color you would like. It needs to come from one of your diplomats. And ideally I'd like it in 24bit RGB notation, although I can work with general names if need be. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.10.21 07:47:00 -
[241]
Originally by: Verite Rendition
Originally by: sliver 0xD hey,
is there a way we can change our color on the map ?
Kadeshi is curently looking green and so is imoral dragons. can we make kadeshi a difrend color ?
Sure, shoot me an EVEmail with the color you would like. It needs to come from one of your diplomats. And ideally I'd like it in 24bit RGB notation, although I can work with general names if need be.
gues iam a diplomat :) can u make it 00FF00 :P J/K :P ill send u a eve mail :P thx :P --- Somebody needs a hug! |
Ziester
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.21 09:13:00 -
[242]
This is an awful map. The goon map is superior in every way imaginable:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc218/Rosscifer/map.jpg
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Tellenta
Gallente Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.10.21 19:32:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Ziester This is an awful map. The goon map is superior in every way imaginable:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc218/Rosscifer/map.jpg
The detail is epic, both easy to read and informative.
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sliver 0xD
exiles. The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2008.10.22 09:02:00 -
[244]
Originally by: Ziester This is an awful map. The goon map is superior in every way imaginable:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc218/Rosscifer/map.jpg
cant stop smileing now --- Somebody needs a hug! |
Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.22 18:43:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Ziester This is an awful map. The goon map is superior in every way imaginable:
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc218/Rosscifer/map.jpg
win tbh
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Dsan
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Posted - 2008.10.26 11:03:00 -
[246]
is there a simple way to download all the maps at one time... ? i can download the new ones one by one... but getting all the old ones... is there an FTP adress or a zip file somewhere ?
Best regards Dsan
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:34:00 -
[247]
I'm afraid there is not. |
Tweakalvos
Deathwatch Ltd Utterly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:53:00 -
[248]
probably the best map for territory in eve gj bud!
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Kiora Evon
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.26 13:59:00 -
[249]
Edited by: Kiora Evon on 26/10/2008 14:00:26 Edited by: Kiora Evon on 26/10/2008 13:59:48 Edited by: Kiora Evon on 26/10/2008 13:59:12
Originally by: Dsan is there a simple way to download all the maps at one time... ? i can download the new ones one by one... but getting all the old ones... is there an FTP adress or a zip file somewhere ?
Use Firefox with DownThemAll Addon, go to http://www.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/?show_all=1 and add all .png files to your DownThemAll queue. Don't download all at once, because then DownThemAll will download a lot of .html files instead of the .png files. Just add them to your queue without downloading all immediately and then start downloading them one by one. Takes a while but it's more comfortable than downloading them one by one via clicking the links at eve-files. |
Dsan
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Posted - 2008.10.26 22:19:00 -
[250]
okay, cool. I will have one of my friends do that, since FF is a stranger to me XD |
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Captian Au2
Eve Liberation Force Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.11.12 23:18:00 -
[251]
I am assuming the map isn't updating because of the patch, when will this be up and running again ========================================== We are recruiting 7mil SP minimum T2 Frigs, HACs, Recons, Logistics Required PVP Oriented Contact [u]Captian Au2[/u |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.11.29 20:37:00 -
[252]
did anyone realise that the tanis dev allioance has space outside of jove space ? that is veiwable, just noticed it
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.30 10:42:00 -
[253]
Originally by: Armoured C did anyone realise that the tanis dev allioance has space outside of jove space ? that is veiwable, just noticed it
Uhh, no. They have sov in 8 systems, all of which are in Jove space. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Van Krakien
Gallente F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.11.30 17:00:00 -
[254]
verite is my favorite carebear
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Zeminy
Minmatar The Knights Templar Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.12.01 05:28:00 -
[255]
I keep timing out everytime I try and retrieve this map... not sure why. Can't even get to eve-files.com ~ * ~
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.12.02 01:02:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Zeminy I keep timing out everytime I try and retrieve this map... not sure why. Can't even get to eve-files.com
EVE-Files had been down for roughly 30 hours. Chribba fixed it now. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Osiris Andras
Amarr Freelancing Corp Confederation of Independent Corporations
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Posted - 2009.02.06 07:13:00 -
[257]
seems to be something wrong with the map, BOB has disappeared and there are some interesting groups in delve.....
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shamai
Caldari Dark Materials
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Posted - 2009.02.06 08:03:00 -
[258]
Wonder what it will look like in 24/48 hrs time....dont think it will be orange
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Leandro Bola
Gallente Distant Light Galactic The Choam Company Alliance
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Posted - 2009.02.06 17:07:00 -
[259]
Seems I cant download the latest territorial map. Can you fix it? thx |
Rhas Seikar
Minmatar Jelly Baby Corporation Majesta Empire
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Posted - 2009.02.07 11:16:00 -
[260]
Why was Kenzoku changed from pink to Blue?
Is everyone able to change their displayed alliancecolor? |
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.02.07 18:49:00 -
[261]
Originally by: Rhas Seikar Why was Kenzoku changed from pink to Blue?
Is everyone able to change their displayed alliancecolor?
KenZoku is BoB, so really I had no good reason not to make them BoB's old color. It's the same alliance in the same space, plus now I don't have to worry about color clashing issues since their neighbors were all balanced against BoB Blue in the first place.
And yes, all alliances may request color changes. It needs to go to me from a diplomat, and I only do color changes that don't clash with your neighbors and don't have low visibility/intensity problems. |
Kim Telkin
Caldari Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2009.03.02 11:52:00 -
[262]
I downloaded the sov maps for the month of Feb, put them through imagemagick to crop them, and animated the result.
What you get is this:
http://eve-files.com/dl/189470
A nice movie showing the invasion of delve from Feb 1st to March 1st. Oh if you want the commands to make this with imagemagick do the following:
convert -crop 600x600+0+1300\! *.png out.png convert -delay 50 -loop 0 out*png out.gif
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Sjoep enLai
Gallente Azure Horizon
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Posted - 2009.03.02 19:16:00 -
[263]
i think Atlas needs another color.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.03 11:54:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Sjoep enLai i think Atlas needs another color.
Atlas isn't even on the map. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Blazde
Minmatar 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2009.03.03 12:14:00 -
[265]
Atlas are there in Omist, same colour as -A-. They actually have some systems inside -A- territory that are indistinguishble from -A- systems. Then you've got C0VEN and Sylph Alliance bordering -A- also in green. Colours there could really do with tidying up a bit. _
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.03 13:53:00 -
[266]
Originally by: Blazde Atlas are there in Omist, same colour as -A-. They actually have some systems inside -A- territory that are indistinguishble from -A- systems. Then you've got C0VEN and Sylph Alliance bordering -A- also in green. Colours there could really do with tidying up a bit.
Atlas doesn't have a blob, so as far as I'm concerned they're not on the map. Trying to color-coordinate all of the token alliances that may or may not have any real influence is not practical, so I don't do it. If they ever get an influence blob on the map, I will take a look at it however.
I did not notice Coven however, so thanks for pointing that out. I will deal with it in the next day or so. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Evgeny Onegin
Caldari OMNYX Red Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.03 14:03:00 -
[267]
Originally by: Sjoep enLai i think Atlas needs another color.
100% transparent?)
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Hyren
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.03 23:56:00 -
[268]
Originally by: Evgeny Onegin
Originally by: Sjoep enLai i think Atlas needs another color.
100% transparent?)
Now now, that's just not nice. ________________________________________________ "It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid, than to open it and remove all doubt." - Mark Twain |
Doc Oxley
Minmatar Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.04 00:38:00 -
[269]
Pandemic Pink tbh
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.04 12:07:00 -
[270]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 04/03/2009 12:09:21
Originally by: Doc Oxley Pandemic Pink tbh
BoB Blue. I suddenly have a severe lack of blue on the map. It's really messing up my feng shui. And technically that color is "FREGE Pink" in my color list, although I may have to change it for the alliteration.
Oh, and for those of you who were sometimes seeing the wrong map, Chribba has fixed it. One of the DL servers was out of date. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
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CARY
Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 18:22:00 -
[271]
BUMP
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Jack Gates
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.03.04 18:31:00 -
[272]
Those stupid goonies will never take Delve; they only stole a name. Kenzoku already has sov 1 everywhere!
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BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2009.03.04 18:36:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Jack Gates Those stupid goonies will never take Delve
Congrats on taking Delve, you remain stupid thou
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Just fearless
Caldari Rogue Knights of Eve
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Posted - 2009.03.09 03:23:00 -
[274]
back to the top!
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Zenegar
Caldari Men in Blue Mining Corporation Cold Steel Alliance
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Posted - 2009.03.16 21:34:00 -
[275]
Hi,
one short question? Where can I grab the coordinates of the solarsystems? The sql-script in the source provided some coords, but where are they from?
I hope this is in topic.
Greetings
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Ammath
Amarr Mentis Fidelis Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2009.03.26 04:37:00 -
[276]
Anyone else getting timeouts downloading the map?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.03.26 07:56:00 -
[277]
Originally by: Ammath Anyone else getting timeouts downloading the map?
It's working fine for me at the moment. Perhaps EVE-Files was getting slammed earlier? ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
Crucifier
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2009.06.09 07:43:00 -
[278]
Funny how biased the creator of this map is . When XIX had 1 station in Tenerifis they were shown as a small blob on the map in Tenerifis. Bob has controlled 2 stations in Querious for some time now and a few weeks ago GBC controlled almost half of the systems in Querious but nothing there. Also with Atlas controlling almost all the Detorid stations goons/RA are shown as the owners.
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Fred0
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.09 08:03:00 -
[279]
Hilarious post Crucifier keep it up pls --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life" |
ilmon
Amarr On The Cloth
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Posted - 2009.06.09 08:08:00 -
[280]
Originally by: Crucifier Funny how biased the creator of this map is . When XIX had 1 station in Tenerifis they were shown as a small blob on the map in Tenerifis. Bob has controlled 2 stations in Querious for some time now and a few weeks ago GBC controlled almost half of the systems in Querious but nothing there. Also with Atlas controlling almost all the Detorid stations goons/RA are shown as the owners.
sov 4 hogs allot of influence and in a week or 2 atlas will show up as a little blob in the detorid region on the influence map. |
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Cemic Cemezon
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:31:00 -
[281]
Originally by: Crucifier Funny how biased the creator of this map is . When XIX had 1 station in Tenerifis they were shown as a small blob on the map in Tenerifis. Bob has controlled 2 stations in Querious for some time now and a few weeks ago GBC controlled almost half of the systems in Querious but nothing there. Also with Atlas controlling almost all the Detorid stations goons/RA are shown as the owners.
Come on, you can't really be that dumb. Do you honestly think someone would sit and make those colors instead of using an automatic script that makes the colors based on what the Map API key output is? |
Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.09 11:35:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Crucifier Funny how biased the creator of this map is . When XIX had 1 station in Tenerifis they were shown as a small blob on the map in Tenerifis. Bob has controlled 2 stations in Querious for some time now and a few weeks ago GBC controlled almost half of the systems in Querious but nothing there. Also with Atlas controlling almost all the Detorid stations goons/RA are shown as the owners.
/me gives crucifier some tinfoil.
Have fun with it, unfortunatly the tinfoil doesn't come with a brain, because thats surely something you seem to be lacking |
Andrevv
Gallente ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.10 18:12:00 -
[283]
Edited by: Andrevv on 10/06/2009 18:15:31 Edited by: Andrevv on 10/06/2009 18:14:06 Here is how the influence at any given point is calculated,
Systems Base Projected Influence = 10*(6 If it has a station)*(1|1.2|1.5|2 For Sov level)*(1.5 If its owner is the owner of the constellation)*(0.3)
This is the base influence of any given solar system.
A systems sphere of influence is projected outward by 4 gate jumps (5 if a station is present) in all directions.
So every Solarsystem has a set of influences from all the surrounding solarsystems attached to it.
Here's where it gets complicated,
The influence on any given point is a sample of an 800x800px square surrounding that point, of every solar system in that square.
With a pixel being scaled from AU's by 4.8445284569785E17/((IMAGE_HEIGHT - 20) / 2.0).
Each Solar system adds all its influences to the point scaled down by how far away it is squared, (Influence / (INSENSITIVITY + length^2)). INSENSITIVITY being arbitrarily chosen as 500, for reasons that no one will ever know.
The alliance with the highest influence at the point is the colour that gets drawn.
And that is what happens for every point on the map. You may or may not have noticed that this system of using gate jumps for the first part and AU's for the second will unevenly distribute influence across constellation jumps, especially the longer ones. This is true, however last time it was worked on, it was decided to keep it the way it is because people are used to it.
P.S. Verite,
graphicsManager.setRenderingHint(RenderingHints.KEY_ANTIALIASING, RenderingHints.VALUE_ANTIALIAS_ON);
Add this when you initialize the graphics2D object and see if it makes any difference. I should make it look better... Or fail miserably.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.11 02:29:00 -
[284]
Edited by: Verite Rendition on 11/06/2009 02:30:10 Edited by: Verite Rendition on 11/06/2009 02:29:45
Originally by: Crucifier Funny how biased the creator of this map is . When XIX had 1 station in Tenerifis they were shown as a small blob on the map in Tenerifis. Bob has controlled 2 stations in Querious for some time now and a few weeks ago GBC controlled almost half of the systems in Querious but nothing there. Also with Atlas controlling almost all the Detorid stations goons/RA are shown as the owners.
My apologies. I did not see this yesterday otherwise I would have responded to it sooner.
Anyhow, as mentioned on the front page, the map is entirely automated. For whatever biases I may have, it's not possible for me to directly alter certain aspects of the map without outright falsifying sovereignty data or significantly altering the drawing algorithm. It goes without saying that I don't do this, because it would be a lousy map if I was messing with it. The entire purpose is to be a best-guess objective map.
The results of what you see is the same fundamental algorithm that this map has used since I inherited it in 2007. I've added new features over the years, but the method of determining influence is unchanged. So if there's an inaccuracy with the map it's not through me fudging with the map, but rather because the entire algorithm is a best-guess effort. Andrevv has already listed an overview of how all of this is calculated, and the source code is available if you'd like to see how it works in depth.
Thus far I am happy with the results the map program generates. However I consider this a community effort, so by no means is anything absolutely final. If you believe a specific change will improve the map, I'm all ears.
PS Andrevv, thanks for the hint. I'll take a look at it when I get the chance |
Koyo Renzi
Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2009.06.11 06:54:00 -
[285]
Suggestion : make an alternative version of the map that is more focussed on system occupation and less on influence ? So that situations mentioned by Crucifier would be visible in at least that other map. If the algorithms are only best-guess (and I understand why they are like that), then it would make sense to me to run several algorithms at the same time to produce different maps. That way you'll cover more subjects that people would like to see.
I had a quick look at the source code, and maybe I'll try it out this summer myself, but it would probably look 90% like the influence map anyway.
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Grainsalt
Caldari Free Corp Liberty Alliance
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Posted - 2009.06.11 08:09:00 -
[286]
The problem is that if you start showing tiny ickle changes all over the map like that then you will be getting name tags appearing all over the place making it look very messy .. How about keeping this one as it is but doing "regional" ones with more detail?
The Sov 4 claiming infulence is a good thing IMO because it is a hard nut to crack and important for the occupier. ---
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Minmatar H A V O C
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Posted - 2009.06.11 14:32:00 -
[287]
Anyone else having issues seeing today's map? When I click the link to see most recent, I get a map for June 5th, 2009 rather than June 11th.
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Valeria Crossroads
Caldari Terra Incognita Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:27:00 -
[288]
Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Anyone else having issues seeing today's map? When I click the link to see most recent, I get a map for June 5th, 2009 rather than June 11th.
Seems to be a bug with the uploading. Twice the map was of correct date, but the next day this one gets back and stays that way until it manually gets corrected again.
My bpc shop: click here for stock and prices. Works in game too. |
ENFEMUS
Gallente F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.12 17:43:00 -
[289]
I think Verite has done a pretty decent job with the Map, but then again I know the guy and am a little biased. I think the regional maps would be freakin' sweet though. Maybe I can pester Verite until he has some free time to look into it.
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Dante Algermain
Gallente Silver Snake Enterprise Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2009.06.12 18:47:00 -
[290]
the regional maps can be gotten through Dotlan or Ombey
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prefectro
Minmatar Amok. Minor Threat.
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Posted - 2009.06.14 00:19:00 -
[291]
Is there a map that shows the power blocs? As the influence map does not give a good picture of where the influence is really at. |
Verite Rendition
Caldari F.R.E.E. Explorer Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2009.06.14 03:26:00 -
[292]
Originally by: ENFEMUS Maybe I can pester Verite until he has some free time to look into it.
Yeah yeah, I'm up to my neck in Solar Fleet, so things just might be a bit busy.
Anyhow, in no specific order:
1) I'm currently satisfied with how the map determines influence. I could try a version of the map with a weaker base influence, but I suspect it would accomplish little more than generating a bunch of "pet blobs" in most cases, where pets like AAA Citizens show influence when in reality they have none. It may be more technically correct, but if it makes the map less readable, I'm not sure it's worth it.
2) For regional maps, it's a lot of work to edit the program to do those kinds of maps. I have to create solar system and jump tables for each region, and run a different version of the map-generating app for each because each region would need a different scaling factor and x/y adjustment. It's possible, but for the work I don't see the benefit. If you're looking at a specific region, then you probably want more information than this kind of map can provide, such as sov levels. In which case maps like Dotlan's are likely a better fit.
But it's all open source, if someone wants to take a whack at it, everything they need is there.
3) If you ever have a problem with the map, post the exact URL of the image file. Chribba has been having issues with the mirrors going out of sync, so I would need to know what mirrored server the faulty image is on so that I can ask him to fix it.
4) I once floated a power bloc map (basically an influence map with various bloc members all issued shades of a primary color). The biggest issue is that I don't want to be the one drawing up the power blocs, it's a decidedly non-neutral job. No one was interested in taking up the job of determining the blocs. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Null-Sec Player Influence Map http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Veritefw/FWinf |
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