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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.09.30 22:40:00 -
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20070930 ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Ilmonstre
NEXUS CLOUD
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Posted - 2007.10.01 00:02:00 -
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ty for giving us a map via a alternative source now that eve-files is temporarily down
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Eldwinn
The Tierijev Compact Division of Eden
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Posted - 2007.10.01 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Eldwinn on 01/10/2007 02:31:14 Thank you Verite for continuing to ensure that we are able to access the influence Map, even with eve-files down.
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Bish Ounen
Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.10.01 03:29:00 -
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Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/10/2007 03:30:55 Thank you for keeping the map available. I don't suppose you have the source code files too? The originals were also hosted on eve-files and are (for obvious reasons) not downloadable right now. Perhaps you can put them on sourceforge?
Thanks
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.10.03 18:06:00 -
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Thanks for everything Verite. :)
Looks like old RA beachhead that vanished has returned in the form of a Goonswarm beachhead. Everything else seems to be the same as usual. ---
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.03 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Bish Ounen Edited by: Bish Ounen on 01/10/2007 03:30:55 Thank you for keeping the map available. I don't suppose you have the source code files too? The originals were also hosted on eve-files and are (for obvious reasons) not downloadable right now. Perhaps you can put them on sourceforge?
Thanks
Check the first post, the source code and all of the tools are listed there. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Carnmire
Caldari Quantum Industries Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.04 07:01:00 -
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Is there any possible way to compile all the maps chronologically so that we see the "tides" of sovereignty over time?
Please say its possible
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Dave White
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Carnmire Is there any possible way to compile all the maps chronologically so that we see the "tides" of sovereignty over time?
Please say its possible
yeeh, like a .gif or something. that'd be sweet
Originally by: GM Tacgnol Oveur descended from the heavens (also known as the second floor) and beat us all with his nerfbat.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.05 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Dave White
Originally by: Carnmire Is there any possible way to compile all the maps chronologically so that we see the "tides" of sovereignty over time?
Please say its possible
yeeh, like a .gif or something. that'd be sweet
All of the maps are right there, it would be fairly trivial for someone to composite them in to a GIF or a full movie if that's what they'd like. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.13 06:58:00 -
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As a minor update, with all of this talk of animated sovereignty maps, it's convinced me to finally get up off of my butt and finish a semi-related project I've been needing to do. The EVE Automated Influence Map has gone to fat camp and lost 15% (about 130KB) in size with no quality loss. This isn't a lot, and there doesn't seem to be any more I can squeeze out without losing quality, but none the less this will cut Chribba's bandwidth bill a tad and will make the map load faster for those of you who are overseas and can't instantaneously download the map.
You can check out the colortest to see what the 10/12/07 map looks like after its weight loss program. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Karjala Inc. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.10.19 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Verite Rendition Exactly. While influence dissipates quickly over space, BoB's core systems have a ton of it. The capital of a constellation has 180 points of influence(for reference, a single system with sov 1 has 10) on top of the additive influence of all their neighboring holdings. The result is a lot of influence on the map, which rightly represents just how much control of the area they have. So that blob over no space is a result of their influence radiating a great deal outwards, only to have pockets inside of it where MC and FIX's influence is enough to keep BoB from being awarded their systems on the map, while they don't have enough influence to stop BoB from radiating out towards that blob.
Doesn't show blood raider npc space in Querious 0.0 really either. :( Great map though. I wonder if npc 0.0 regions could be marked somehow too, no one can really claim them...
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn
Originally by: Verite Rendition Exactly. While influence dissipates quickly over space, BoB's core systems have a ton of it. The capital of a constellation has 180 points of influence(for reference, a single system with sov 1 has 10) on top of the additive influence of all their neighboring holdings. The result is a lot of influence on the map, which rightly represents just how much control of the area they have. So that blob over no space is a result of their influence radiating a great deal outwards, only to have pockets inside of it where MC and FIX's influence is enough to keep BoB from being awarded their systems on the map, while they don't have enough influence to stop BoB from radiating out towards that blob.
Doesn't show blood raider npc space in Querious 0.0 really either. :( Great map though. I wonder if npc 0.0 regions could be marked somehow too, no one can really claim them...
2 things:
1) Blood Raider space is in Delve, not Querious. 2) My preferred method (as it was with Paladin) is to show space that the players can't claim as unclaimed, because that's effectively what it is. This works fine for the bigger regions, but you're right in that it isn't working well enough for the small NPC regions (and thank you for pointing this out). I'm going to take a look at increasing the strength of the NPC systems in Delve and Fountain, and see if I can't push the players far enough back to make those little strips unclaimed. However I won't make any promises on that in the case that I can't reasonably deal with it, since it has been so minor of a problem that no one has complained about it in 7 months. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 04:20:00 -
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Just as a heads up for everyone, Chribba changed the EVE-Files CMS today, which has changed the scripting required to upload the map. I think I have the situation fixed, but I can't rule out any bugs that may make the next couple of days dicey. My apologies on the matter, and hopefully everything will work correctly immediately. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.10.20 16:00:00 -
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Hmm, looks like Evoke might need a colour change if they stay in Fountain right next to Bob. It looks to me like they're identical colours. Whatcha think Verite?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.20 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Draekas Darkwater Hmm, looks like Evoke might need a colour change if they stay in Fountain right next to Bob. It looks to me like they're identical colours. Whatcha think Verite?
'Tis an odd place for them to be. Thanks for pointing that out. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Verite Rendition on 22/10/2007 11:15:11 So I've taken a stab at the power bloc map idea again, and based on the input I've come up with a new design. The new power bloc map is a recolor of the daily influence map rather than a more extensive redesign, which is what everyone seemed to want based on the feedback I got. Alliances are colored by which bloc they're in (or a color for being unaligned) and border intensity has been cranked way up to help mark the different alliances even though they're in the same bloc.
The final version will probably list the members of each bloc in place of the sovereignty changes. The jury is also still out on what kind of coloring should be done for the blocs; I ran this with the influence-style coloring, but I could change it to flat coloring with the intense borders to keep the ability to tell the alliances apart. I think this new design is going to be a lot more useful than the last, so I'd like to hear some feedback on it, especially on the issue of the coloring style.
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On another note, a new colortest is up, implementing the corrections for Serpentis and Blood Raider NPC sovereignty. Getting this to work was tricky (BR is giving off the influence of a sov level 3 station system in each of their systems just to override the influence of BoB) and this may in fact be a problem if BoB were to diminish in power, so I'm not entirely gung-ho on the change. I'd like to hear if everyone finds the general shape/size of the NPC areas correct, and if you like or dislike the change overall (since this was unreported for 6 months). These aren't whole regions, so I'm not convinced that giving the NPCs a strong influence here is the right thing to do. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.10.22 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: SirMolly on 22/10/2007 12:46:32 new power bloc map looks good, though it's a bit inaccurate.
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: SirMolly Edited by: SirMolly on 22/10/2007 12:46:32 new power bloc map looks good, though it's a bit inaccurate.
Yeah, it's only a proof of concept. If it goes in to production, I'll supply it with a better list of power bloc members. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.22 20:52:00 -
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I'm not sure I like the idea of some NPC regions having a stronger influence than others on the arbitrary distinction of how powerful the neighbours are, for two reasons.
1) It makes the influence blobs harder to interpret. That is to say, there being a random gap in BoB space makes it look for all the world like they have less overwhelming influence in Delve than is the case, which sort of defeats the object of having an influence blob.
2) It requires you the map-maker to individually tweak the area if and when the neighbours' sovereignty levels change. The purpose of this map is to be an almost-automated and completely neutral map. If you're tweaking the core settings in accordance with the ebbs and flows of individual space holders, it's not really automated or neutral... ------
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.22 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86 I'm not sure I like the idea of some NPC regions having a stronger influence than others on the arbitrary distinction of how powerful the neighbours are, for two reasons.
1) It makes the influence blobs harder to interpret. That is to say, there being a random gap in BoB space makes it look for all the world like they have less overwhelming influence in Delve than is the case, which sort of defeats the object of having an influence blob.
2) It requires you the map-maker to individually tweak the area if and when the neighbours' sovereignty levels change. The purpose of this map is to be an almost-automated and completely neutral map. If you're tweaking the core settings in accordance with the ebbs and flows of individual space holders, it's not really automated or neutral...
Well I'd argue it's still neutral since I'm only trying to remove influence from areas where there are NPC systems, but you're right in that it's definitely not automatic. This is why I'm still undecided on the whole issue; thanks for the feedback. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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Draekas Darkwater
Moons of Pluto
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:49:00 -
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The new powerbloc map is pretty good Verite, although I think the colours could maybe use some work. Would it be possible to use different shades of the same colour for the different bloc members?
Its still much better than having all the different alliances melded into a couple of blobs though. But with them all the exact same colour its a bit hard on the eyes.
Another possibility would be to retain each alliance's normal colour from the influence map for the alliance name only. Maybe surround the names with an outline of the bloc colour. The part of the code that draws the alliance names does this already but uses black for the background/outline colour.
Maybe that, with the different shades for the territory colours would work better.
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Zylatis
Umbra Congregatio
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Posted - 2007.10.25 02:00:00 -
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Not sure the power bloc one is accurate, i mean tri are fighting MM and IAC are fighting along side ragoon yet the colour is the same as ISS for us?
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Draekas Darkwater The new powerbloc map is pretty good Verite, although I think the colours could maybe use some work. Would it be possible to use different shades of the same colour for the different bloc members?
Its still much better than having all the different alliances melded into a couple of blobs though. But with them all the exact same colour its a bit hard on the eyes.
Another possibility would be to retain each alliance's normal colour from the influence map for the alliance name only. Maybe surround the names with an outline of the bloc colour. The part of the code that draws the alliance names does this already but uses black for the background/outline colour.
Maybe that, with the different shades for the territory colours would work better.
An alliance's color on the normal influence map really doesn't have any meaning (or at least aren't intended to), the colors are simply selected because they make the alliance differentiable from its neighbors. It's an interesting idea but I think I'll pass.
I do want to make the power blocs slightly different colors from each other (although perhaps not the non-aligned groups), and while that would be kind of hard given the current method I'm using(mainly making sure they have the same variant color each day) I think I have an idea that would work. I am also considering fixing the border color to fully opaque white, so that it's clear where each alliance is (ala how most geography maps use a large red line). I'll need to find some free time to implement all of this though, so this may have to wait another week.
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I haven't heard any complaints about how I'm using the influence-style coloring for each alliance, so I will probably keep that as is.
I'm also dropping the idea for the NPC sov pockets down south, the complaints outweigh the compliments. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Zylatis Not sure the power bloc one is accurate, i mean tri are fighting MM and IAC are fighting along side ragoon yet the colour is the same as ISS for us?
Zylatis you doofus, it's just a proof of concept map. If/when it goes in to production I'll fix all of those little nit-picks about who is in what bloc. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Lee ChanKa
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Posted - 2007.10.25 11:51:00 -
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i like joshua map just because of one reason and you dont hawe it on your map..
can you please make wher ppl fight not just teritori? your map is nice realy but i dont see any fight on thet map and thet is what i and probably most players wont to know..
i supose thet is a big work but if you make it..gj for you
regard lee aka ewqilibirum
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Borg017
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:18:00 -
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Yes, please have a list of which bloc an entity is a part of. -----------------------------------------------
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.26 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lee ChanKa i like joshua map just because of one reason and you dont hawe it on your map..
can you please make wher ppl fight not just teritori? your map is nice realy but i dont see any fight on thet map and thet is what i and probably most players wont to know..
i supose thet is a big work but if you make it..gj for you
regard lee aka ewqilibirum
It's going to be based off of the automated map, so I'm afraid that won't be possible. With this program to draw the maps however, it wouldn't be too much work for someone to add the icons and text to do that. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
Ilmonstre
Viper Squad
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Posted - 2007.10.27 00:53:00 -
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then you could do it in like a co-op thing so all are happy
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Venix
An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.10.27 06:08:00 -
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Just curious to why my alliance doesnt have our Influence around our own systems anymore (our northern most const). We used to always have it, and all of a sudden it shows the close by alliance to have Influence. Ni4Ni Join Ni4Ni Today! Public Channel: Ni4Ni
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Verite Rendition
Caldari AUS Corporation CORE.
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Posted - 2007.10.27 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Venix Just curious to why my alliance doesnt have our Influence around our own systems anymore (our northern most const). We used to always have it, and all of a sudden it shows the close by alliance to have Influence.
Mostly Harmless has 4 stations, and I'm pretty sure 3 of those are forming constellation sovereignty with one of them being a capital. That's a heck of a lot of influence compared to a few undeveloped systems, hence the influence algorithm awards them the space. ---- AUS Corp Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map: Keeping Down The Clone Business Since 2007AD |
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